Thread 718908219

Is it true that elden ring's replayability is abyssmaly bad compared to the soulsborne games?

>>718908219 (OP)
Pirate it and find out for yourself instead of asking others for what opinion you're allowed to have, you fucking faggot.

no

>>718908219 (OP)
maybe if you're a scrub

>>718908219 (OP)
Because there is no "replay" part in it. Same bosses, same route, same builds. You want to be a mage? Just respec.

>>718908219 (OP)
Yes, but only in the sense that Dark Souls 2 is the only game with replayability in the first place.

no
I still play it. I might just start a 5th playthrough.

it's insane how a tree mindbroke tendies

>>718908219 (OP)
The only thing that hurts replayability is how fuckhuge the game is. You can still do a blind shield playthrough and then a lesser playthrough.

the process of starting a build and progressing it throughout the game is more fun than it's ever been
but the game is very long and if your build is too one-note it won't stay interesting for the whole run

>>718908219 (OP)
it has some of the best because the open world gives a lot of options as far as order of progression

>>718908470
that game is barely worth playing once

>>718908542
Don't worry they're getting the strongest starting class ever later this year.

>>718908219 (OP)
It's open in a boring way where you don't have to fight anything to get a build going, but the fun tools of every build are needlessly far into the game, and once you have a build there still isn't all that much to test the build against.

What I'm saying is the game is 90% traversal, 9% samey bossfights and 1% good dungeon/enemy design.

>>718908219 (OP)
No, it has much more replay potential than most From games. But its way too long. When you start a playthrough you can safely expect it to last for a few dozens of hours. The game is great, but they should really have had it end at the capitol. The rest feels good, but it starts to drag.

>>718908219 (OP)
>>718908524
based & same

>>718908219 (OP)
That's a title for DS3.
>want a build that's not R1 spam or pyromancy? fuck you, wait until the end of the game.

>>718908668
not true at all

It's true. The first time you play you get a sense of wonder because you expect Dark Souls level of content quality spread across this large world but then you realize it's just another ubishit open slop with copypasted content. 90% of caves, dungeons, areas etc. are just not worth ever visiting aside from doing some meme challenge build for YT views.

>>718908742
Actually you get the Farron Greatsword after Abyss Watchers.

>>718908601
Wait, you dont think this is an ez mode class right? Because that would be hilarious

>>718908219 (OP)
Not really
The only bad thing is investing in a build and having to wait near endgame for some of the fun stuff to use

>>718908601
>7 mind
enjoy having the blue dew talisman stuck on your character forever

>>718908820
It kinda is cause everyone who played it said it makes the early game pretty easy. Starting with a great curvedsword is really good and you could just powerstance that with BHF. Classes stop mattering after Liurnia though unless you're super-duper minmaxxing.

>>718908772
Wouldn't you skip most of the caves and tombs on replays?

>>718908219 (OP)
Is that DMC mod any good

>>718908219 (OP)
I don't know how common this sentiment is but I find open worlds games to be less replayable than the more linear games. Maybe because the exploration of the open world is part of the appeal so if you know what to expect then the open world becomes a commute. ER is arguably the most replayable of the bunch just from all the different build possibilities and doing things out of order but I'd rather replay their other games.

>>718908219 (OP)
The only retards who say that are ADHD zombies being mad that you have to ride around an open field and find content instead of walking the same boring linear corridors in their previous games.

>>718908219 (OP)
I wouldn't know. It's playability is certainly quite shit though.

Thanks for reminding me I still have tons left to do in this game.

>>718908219 (OP)
Yes, going through the open world segments (majority of the game) has no replay value because you've already explored them.

>he didnt full clear a single legacy dungeon
not only you didnt beat the game, you didnt even play it

>>718908219 (OP)
>replayability
i still haven't finished it once. after the gold tree i walked in the snow for a little while and thought life is too short. that game is totally uninteresting between bosses.

>>718908262
What?

>>718908219 (OP)
No, only ADHD lords say that.
Just don't try to collect everything again when you replay it. Go straight for the legacy dungeons and for the gear you need.

>>718909680
Congrats, you're sane.

>>718909521
well, no, the problem is the "content" you find are copy pasted dungeons

>>718908219 (OP)
Yes, because its only unique strength is the novelty of the open world, which wears down quickly, even in your first playthrough.

i never replay from games because they never have good end game or NG+ systems. Exception is bloodborne, where you can treat the chalice dungeon system as a kind of NG+, im talking about getting to the queen/cursed dungeons and doing player generated dungeons to get the ultimate bloodgems.

I hate how much time it feels like I spend riding Torrent from one point to another. On the first playthrough or two when I was still learning where stuff was it was awesome but starting a character knowing where I do and don't want to go for items relevant for my build etc it feels kind of boring. Planning out my adventure for trying new builds in DS1 is fun, even the longer runs between points feel more interesting and engaging.

>make new character in elding
>spend first 1-2 hours riding around and gather gear
>kill the huge dragon with bleed for 90k runes
>level up
>game is now playable
got a bit tired of doing that every time after a while

>>718908564
>a lot of options as far as order of progression
Aren't you still soft locked to a general route by the smithing stone tiers? And the spirit upgrade flowers if you rely on them.

>>718909790
>Just don't try to collect everything again when you replay it
How do you get rid of this kind of autism? I have 400 hours in Dark Souls 1 and still collect every item I see when I do a yearly playthrough.

>>718911452
I think if I ever replay Elden Ring it'll be in NG+ with the build already set up.

>>718910778
It isn't copy and pasted ,each dungeon is unique and offers a lot of variety. Even if you want to say 'no', then just don't do them.

>>718911452
funny how much seething adaptability caused but er is unplayable below 35 vigor

>>718909790
Yeah, Elden Ring is really just Boss Rushes at a certain point. It's why Nightreign is as popular as it is.

I pirated Dark Souls and my controller doesn't work...is there an easy fix?

>>718913024
buy the pirate premium pass

>>718908219 (OP)
I haven't found that to be the case, but then again I thoroughly enjoy FromSoftware SoulsBornEkiRing more than all other games.
Now, the DLC is another story entirely, as I have no clue what the fuck I am doing in it or where to go.

>>718912898
That's what happens when your dungeons fucking suck.

>>718908782
isnt its weapon art stupidly weak despite being cool? i recall having that experience a lot
>>718908742
i was thinking DS3 would be the 'easiest' to replay due to being the smallest, simplest and most straightforward. But the entire early-mid game section is so incredibly boring even on a first playthrough let alone a replay, i couldnt get myself to keep going after doing the quick dancer. in the lategame areas you have cool gear but its not that much better either
Its a shame because it has many of my favorite weapons like frayed blade and onikiri&ubadachi (i only ever did a dex playthrough, couldnt get myself to do any other)

>>718912680
oh fuck off, there is very little variety in fighting through the 432343th imp dungeon

>>718912680
>>718913382
i didnt finish elden ring, many dungeons were boring and there were often really stale enemy encounters. but there were many remarkably cool dungeons and locations
Also these potentially generic places are really good for summoning. More people fucking around AND having a chance to be invaded (or maybe invade yourself) makes it a lot more fun

>>718908219 (OP)
I guess you can consider it a bad game to replay if you're doing everything because of how massive the game is. I recently played through it while trying to do as many things as I could and I doubt I'll ever do it again, but I will probably replay it in a more casual way at some point.

>>718908219 (OP)
it's one of the most replayable ones

>>718908219 (OP)

if you have a particular build in mind it takes way too long to piece togther the equpment and skills for it because they are scattered all over the open world and inside dungeons, so in that sense it can be a slog

>AA studio wants to make a souls-like
>we need a UNIQUE setting
>what about the french revolution?
>perfect

>>718908219 (OP)
Replayed the base game like 20 times. Played through the dlc once. Low SL coop and invasions are the only thing that get me to replay that game. In the medium to high SLs matchmaking starts to get wonky and running around to all the little summon pool thingies is a pain in the ass. It doesn't really have that much meat to it after the novelty of the big ass map full of nothing wears off.

>>718911452
>playing like you're ticking off a checklist instead of playing naturally and then wonder why you're bored
The best way to replay is to beeline to your objective, ignoring all upgrade materials unless you are stuck. It's perfectly ok to not level up, have a max upgrade weapon or even an upgraded flask.

It has better replayability than the previous Souls games. More endings, open world and increased build options all contribute to that.

>>718913382
Oh fuck off there's a ton of dungeons with gimmicks and unique rooms not used in other dungeons. Even the dlc catacombs with imps are interesting to explore.

>>718908219 (OP)
replay it and find out

I honestly find all soulslikes have no replayablity. Maybe my memory is just too good

>>718908219 (OP)
Combat is very basic and as far as exploration goes you're likely to see everything your first time round. I beat it in around 100 hours on release and just the thought of replaying it is exhausting

You don't want to replay because of the retarded open world meme. Even thinking about traversing the empty fields of nothing again for hours and hours made me deinstall forever.

>>718914189
>just play a game for 150 hours to see if it has replay value
sorry for deleting your twitter bait thread

>>718908219 (OP)
No. Shitters who don't actually like Souls games and hate ARPG mechanics and tons of different and unique options and builds hate the game because it keeps throwing good stuff at them as rewards that they won't use.
Elden Ring actually it a perfect litmis test for who is a real Souls fan. If you hate it, you are a normalfaggot eho plays Souls games because they flavour of the month and not because he loves the stellar arpg systems, combat and mechanics of these games.

Likewise Sekiro got boring fast to me because of how prescribed and solved it is after the charmless run, and it's no coincidence that people who don't play different builds in Souls games and hate Elden Ring love Sekiro where you are just some dude pressing L1 at the right time and any kind of variation of that is some situational gimmick

>>718914582
oh look at this anon he pretends he doesn't have free time
come on, dude

>>718908219 (OP)
yes
>>718908262
this

>>718908219 (OP)
'fraid so

>>718914608
>hate=not wanting to replay it over and over
don't be retarded you autistic spastic

>>718908219 (OP)
>more builds, weapons, ashes and spells than any previous game
>world so open you can tackle it in just about any order
>massive amounts of side content you can pick and choose from, rather than being forced to do the same things everytime
By all metrics, it's the most replayable one of them all.
And yet I replayed it the least, while I replayed Sekiro (no builds) and DS3 (most linear) the most. Why?

>>718914615
you WILL playtest the game for me, you WILL argue with other anons about if for my amusement and you WILL like it.

>>718914670
Yes, people who ignored rpg mechanics and variety and actionrpg combat in Souls games and hate every bew game more for leaning into it further up to Elden Ring are not real Souls fans
>>718914725
Because you are not a Souls fan

>>718914735
you smelt it you dealt it

>>718914804
>Because you are not a Souls fan
yes, I've just been playing them for over a decade and have put hundreds of hours into each out of hatred apparently

>>718914670
You can't reason with these faggots who think 100 slightly different animations for pressing r1 is variety

>>718908742
>builds all use the attack button
Trannies give up on complaining about dodging attacks being 'rollslop'?

>>718908772
You visit them to find things instead of looking up a guide telling you where to go you retarded zoomer faggot.

>>718908219 (OP)
Considering it is off-peak and there are still 35,000 people playing it on steam, obviously not.

>>718908742
I remember hyping myself up like fuck and playing DS3 all night with my buds, had waited years for it
I went a sorc build, it was utterly miserable

The first playthrough is really good because you just explore everything. Repeat playthroughs suffer because you know most of the dungeons are worthless and you can skip a ton of the areas. You'll feel like much more of your time is spent on just running across the world on Torrent rather than exploring, adventuring and fighting.

>>718908219 (OP)
No, it's by far my most replayed of the soulsborne games, and I started playing the games when Demon's Souls came out on PS3. There's a pretty insane range of build variety in Elden Ring, tons of viable and fun builds.

>>718908219 (OP)
I love my doll wife

>>718909680
>I need every waking moment devoted to making retarded posts.

>>718908219 (OP)
no, just the opposite actually.
There are so many builds you can make, and they change how you approach each boss in significant ways.
The timings and openings are so different that you're pretty much learning the game all over again until you really get a good feel for it.

I didn't feel like I actually got gud until my fourth full playthrough.

>>718915874
Shitposting on /v/ has more gameplay depth than elden ring actually

>>718908219 (OP)
Only Soulslike I replayed up to NG+8 and its mostly you dont have to fight every boss to get to the end.

>>718908219 (OP)
game loses its playability right here

>>718908219 (OP)
no? It's my most played fromsoft game at almost 1k hours, and I barely did any pvp

>>718916146
Yeah, Liurnia always makes me want to put the game down. Limgrave is amazing, Liurnia and Caelid are shit except for the big dungeons, Altus and Gelmir are cool, Mountaintops are ok, Snowfields are really good if you count Mohgwyn and Haligtree as its legacy dungeons.

>>718912373
my only autism when replaying is that I only follow the intended path of progression, so I never visit late game areas early for items and gear, and just get them organically as the game goes on

>>718914670
A game that doesn't motivate you to play it again is a complete failure.

>>718908219 (OP)
It's actually the most replayable Souls game
People really overestimate the size of the map, it's actually really far from being "fuckhuge"
Just in Limgrave, you already get access to a lot of weapons, so that already expands the character building a lot from the get go
I tried replaying DS3 a week ago, and the linearity of it actually made me drop the game as soon as I reached High Wall of Lothric, and it doesn't help that like in Bloodborne, every fucking enemy screeches in your ear and it gets annoying real fast
Elden Ring is a more laid back and chill experience, but it also knows how to stress you out
Plus Elden Ring + DLC bosses roster is the strongest out of all the Souls, compare that to the boring ass first half of DS3 where every boss is a lame fucking gimmick
I'm close to getting the last achievement, which is the Frenzied Flame ending, and then afterwards I'll finally play Nightreign solo, looking forward to the main bosses because they look cool

>>718914608
I love both Sekiro and Elden Ring. Although Sekiro is still a better game. But Elden Ring is easily Fromsoft's second best one

>>718915628
>Repeat playthroughs suffer because you know most of the dungeons are worthless and you can skip a ton of the areas
>You'll feel like much more of your time is spent on just running across the world on Torrent rather than exploring, adventuring and fighting.
So which one is it faggot? Because to me the fun comes from doing the dungeon crawling, regardless of the reward at the end

>>718916059
>replayed up to NG+8
What is the point of NG+ in Elden Ring? I started it, but one shot pretty much everything and the bosses took 2-3 hits. I dropped after Omen because what's the use?

>>718908219 (OP)
if anything, it's the most replayable
by the time I'm done with a full playthrough I have already forgotten most of it

>>718917985
>What is the point of NG+ in Elden Ring?
Beating the whole game but this time with your finalized build, and also being able to respec and try the bazillion weapons, spells and whatnot you looted on your first playthrough

>>718914608
>2019+6 and shitters are still seething uncontrollably about how hard they got filtered by sekiro
LMAO

>>718918080
Its just too easy, at least at first. I did not even have to dodge Omen, I just tanked his attacks and destroyed him in 3 hits. Maybe it gets better later on, but it seems too easy. I just started a regular NG instead, but kind of dropped at Malenia.

>>718908219 (OP)
It's the most replayable because of how non-linear and freeform the progression is
Yeah, there are certain things that you won't be able to access from the start, locked behind a boss or a quest, but as soon as you set foot in Limgrave, the game gives you an insane breadth of content you can tackle in any way/order you see fit
Meanwhile the previous Souls game get stale really fast because aside from a few deviations there and there, you will always progress the games in the exact same way and order every time.

>>718918136
Sekiro is the perfect game. Fromsoft peaked there. But I can see why some Fromsoft fans do not like it, its formula is fundamentally different from soulslike. They simply expect a different game, whence the complaints about the lack of builds.

>>718908219 (OP)
Does it have the same retarded scaling as the rest of the soulerino cast? I'm almost done with ds2 and I've just about had it with juggling irrelevant stats the feel like they do nothing. Just respecced my 80 str build to a 40 str and 40 health build for a grand total of -100 damage and doubling my health game is a fucking breeze now.

>>718908219 (OP)
Yeah, I replayed DS1 a lot and DS3 plenty, but I was done with Elden Ring before I even beat it, it just kept going and going. I dont enjoy lategame so much particularly when my character goes from having a niche to being OP in all fields and I end up pumping HP cause the other stats are effectively maxed.

>>718918169
The first couple NG+ cycles are always piss easy in every Souls game
Just wait until NG+3, the difficulty spike is scary

>>718918312
It's pretty much the first time I tried NG+ in any Souls game. Except for Sekiro, but its NG+ is different for obvious reasons.

It's the most replayable
>wahh its too long and has too much stuff in it
yeah I know, it's great

>>718918368
The good thing in Elden Ring is that actually there aren't a lot of mandatory bosses to reach the end, and the DLC is completely optional too
So if you want to get to the "good" NG+ stuff, you could just speedrun the whole thing for a few cycles, it would only take a few hours at worst

>>718908219 (OP)
Not at all
It’s just a huge game

>>718908219 (OP)
yeah but each playthrough gets substantially smaller
> 1st was 130 hours
> 2nd 50 hours
> 3rd 20 to 25 hours

>>718912741
it's the miyazaki / iframe simulator / anime bossfights bonus - similar to the Nintendo bonus mathematically speaking

>>718908219 (OP)
No? The only reason people would say this is because of the open world, but let's be honest here, you'd have to be a complete retard to methodically do 100% of the content each and every fucking time, of course it's gonna get boring if you autistically empty the whole map like you would do in previous, linear Souls games.
It's way funnier to do your little grocery list, build your character, and then do whatever content if you feel like it

>>718908219 (OP)
It just feels that way because it's way longer
I played it three times

>>718914608
>he loves the stellar arpg systems, combat and mechanics of these games.
things which ER lacks because it's an unbalanced, diluted and unfocused mess of game, enemy and level design

>>718917663
A word to the wise: Nightreign solo is REALLY easy the moment you understand the core mechanics.

>>718920240
I don't mind it
I just like the visuals and spectacle of the main bosses from what I saw
Plus I get to fight Nameless King and the Dancer in Elden Ring engine

>>718908219 (OP)
bump

>>718908219 (OP)
I've played and beaten it three times by now, so no.

>>718908219 (OP)
No? It's pretty much the same. It's just that it's so big, that people get fatigued. Especially autists/OCD fags, who decide to clear out the entire game all over again. Even the stuff their build doesn't use.

>>718918136
Sekiro is a braindead, casual game, from a shit director that absolutely destroyed Armored Core and is responsible for the worst King's Field/Shadow Tower game
It's a Souls game reduced to bop it for people who hate Souls games.
>>718920229
Skill issue

>>718908219 (OP)
I think so because NG is the worst playthrough and so it's really shitty to have a build idea and find that it won't come online until the back half of the game.
NG+ is the optimal run because you have everything in place to respec to your desired build and get maximum enjoyment by only running the actual legacy dungeons where the fun is.

>>718909684
so rare these days to find a bonafide retard around here did your wrangler not tell you 4chans is for terrorists and child murderers?
id sue if i where you

>>718908219 (OP)
Yes, it is the worst game they have made since DS2

dropped the game 3times in leyndell, you just running on horse and search for catacombs. not fun at all.

>>718925010
Nope, the whole game had great areas, with some side areas being the best
Only normalfaggot retards who aren' t Souls fans parrot the meme that legacy dungeons are the only good part.

This happens when you play a game because its on your tokbtok feed and not because you enjoy it

>>718908219 (OP)
No?

>>718925551
Are you the retard that was posting camera mode screenshot and was filtered by Morgott?

>>718925202
Miss the person in the OP isn't asking for a permission to hold an opinion you need to learn how to read.

>>718925657
how many times do you need to repeat you're not a real gamer before the embarrassment overtakes you

>>718925202
>id sue if i where you

>>718908219 (OP)
The entire thing is a slog. Not just talking about all the optional sloptent. Cant even force myself to play through the legacy dungeons.

For a while I thought it was just souls burnout, but I've been binging Bloodborne and loving it.

>>718926047
> sloptent
There's your problem, your brain is boiled like a fucking egg so you're somehow too big of a retard to enjoy Elden Ring. I'd say congratulations but you probably don't even know what such a big word means.

>>718926047
>but I've been binging Bloodborne and loving it.
Yeah, a braindead button masher for midwits seems more of your speed

>>718925010
>I think so because NG is the worst playthrough
Only if its blind. The best playthrough is the first after you've looked at a guide that tells you what areas are copy pasta clones and bosses and what locations have the items you want.

>>718908564
A lot of the progression is breaking the game and lets you fight enemies that are overlevelled or underlevelled.
If anything its an example how open world ruined soulsgaming.

>>718926371
DeS let you do exactly that and it wasn't open world, retard.

>>718926371
The best games are the ones that don't give a fuck and 100% trust players to break it or not

>>718909012
>Classes stop mattering after Liurnia
Classes stop mattering halfway through Limgrave if you're not retarded.

>>718908219 (OP)
Elden Ring made all prior Souls games obsolete to me so no

skill issue

A bit of a tangent but did the residents of Nokron use the mimic tears as sex dolls?

>>718929890
There is no direct evidence, however I believe it can be reasonably inferred that they did. The description Starlight Shards indicates that the draughts Preceptor Seluvis uses to create his sex dolls have their origins in the Eternal City. If Starlight Shards can be used to such means, I don't think there's any reason the mimic tears couldn't be used in such a way either.

>>718908219 (OP)
No, I think it's a lot more replayable because it has amazing build variety and a much bigger world.

>>718908219 (OP)
There is way too much dead air in the game for me to want to replay it.
If the game scaled to how much you level up then maybe?
Because of the map's size, unless you do all the bosses in the correct order. You fucking obliterate 70% of them.
Killing all the enemies and leveling up ruin the game.
I can see in maybe 10 years replaying it but there is so much shit that just sucks to have to go through...

>>718908219 (OP)
Yes.
It's like replaying Dark Souls 1 but the distance between Firelink Shrine and the Gargoyles for the first bell is 5x as long, 10x wider with exploration but the exact same amount of enemies and lootable shit. Oh and half the chests instead of having something that could at least upgrade your stuff it's just random bullshit you'll never even use.

>>718915550
>I went a sorc build, it was utterly miserable
I have learned the hard way that it is almost always a mistake to not go with the basic bitch warrior build in any game, because it always seems to be the only one devs actually balance around

>>718908219 (OP)
Too much filler content

>>718908262
FPBP

>>718916012
Idiot

I unironically like Caelid. I'm a sucker for frolicking in inhospitable hellscapes. I had fond memories of getting lost in the Plaguelands in WoW as a kid. Lategame Prototype was also cool as hell.

>>718908219 (OP)
I played it once solo offline, and once with the seamless co-op mod. Both were pretty awful experiences. Game just has too much filler and the fundamentals of combat are dogshit because they kept the insanely long combos from Sekiro but removed the consecutive parries. Yeah there's a lot of weapons and possible builds but it doesn't matter because the enemy behaviour is so simplified. Every enemy is either a useless shitter that you R1 spam to death or Zanzibart the Ascended Asshole who does anime cartwheels in the sky while shitting out explosions like a FFXIV boss and you can either roll spam or kill them with an overpowered L2 from a mile away.