Thread 718923690

>haha yes my mutans are the superior race lmao we are going to take over the world
>never bothered to check if the "superior race" could reproduce

was he retarded?

You're aware super mutants live forever, right? That the super mutants from the original games show up in fucking FONV?

They reproduce by dunking humans in the FEV.

>>718923690 (OP)
Yes, and he'll kill himself for being so stupid if you reveal that fact to him.

>>718923748
yes but they can still die from injury, though

>finds out his mutants are sterile
>immediately kills himself without seeing if it can be fixed

>>718923932
FEV destroys chromosomes because it sees them as defective and destroys them, leaving them sterile. All the Master did with FEV was learning through trial and error how to make mutants bases on the proportion of FEV and origin of the subjects, he wouldn't have been able to fix that at a molecular level.

>>718923748
They are not immortal, you can kill them. They are just really hard to kill. they also can't have kids. All of them are sterile.
Which means the only way to make new mutants is to dip people in FEV
but since the master is gone, pretty much none of them has a reason to do that
also a lot of them are pretty stupid

>>718923748
>>718923932
>>718924239
join

>>718923690 (OP)
>maintain a healthy breeding population of regular humans in the vaults
>dunk them in FEV when they hit 40
Was that so hard?

>>718924476
Then humans aren't inferior to his monsters if he needs to keep them around. He was wrong and corrected the problem of him being alive.

>>718924370
DIE

>>718925183
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>>718923843
that was an interesting plot twist. no boss fight

>>718924476
This. You could even rebuild a new society out of it, by having humans not only accept it but welcome it as a new stage of life.
>your vault is protected by mutants, they provide a lot for you
>there's one rule, at 40 you have to become one, but you can volunteer at anytime after you've had at least one children
>you're basically weak and in a learning phase of existence until you mature into your true self as a fucking towering superhuman, able to explore the world
>"sure, I like having hair and stuff, but my pa' did it and he's fine! Plus, great grandma is still alive and kicking"

Could be introduced by purging a vault of its adult inhabitants and raising the kids with that worldview. Not ethical but it's the end of the world. There's probably more ethical ways too

>>718924085
>FEV destroys chromosomes
gametes anon, FEV ruins gametes not chromosomes lmao

>>718923690 (OP)
>Is the giant goop of psychic meat with extreme personality disorder and a few other dozens of mental illness from being turned into a meat lasagna that eats other people................................................ with delusions?!?!!???!11113131??????????one?121!@!!!!!!!!
imagine my shock

i always believed it was his realization about how his vision about transcending humanity to its next steps with himself as its guide was inherently impossible as he was too far removed from his own humanity where procreation wasnt even a factor in his mind.

>>718924476
Yes because it's both needlessly cruel and doesn't actually solve the problem of needing to keep fragile humans alive in the wasteland. You get someone like the Enclave to sabotage that plan and mutants are once again a dead end. He wanted to uplift humans into better humans not keep them enslaved in cages.

>>718929525
Too smart for modern Bethesda.

>>718929525
>>718931919
>>718924476
>le heckin good super mutants
new vegas was a mistake

>>718934310
this was a thing since f2. you had one on your fucking team.

>>718931919
Probably but also too good for bugthesda and also goes against their "war never changes" bullshit because that would actually make the wasteland not only a better place but less dangerous if you have groups of smart sm roaming about killing every monster or raider around and also scrapping and building nee shit in the wasteland.
Fallout needs dystopian realities, not good changes. Heck even the only stable shit in the wasteland, the ncr, is absolutely fucked
>>718934310
sm were always morally grey or literally toddler tier retarded if they were made from wasteland humans.

>>718934310
fallout 2 had a good mutant

>>718934310
SMs are regular people/retards but big and strong from FEV, this was established in 2 you jeet

>>718934310
go play the games you supposedly love you stupid nigger

>>718923690 (OP)
It was a time before cinemasins, a short, self-contained look into a weird new setting.

>>718934310
>good
>>implying

>>718926852
Die

>>718937946
>Int of 3

>>718924476
im pretty sure that Master, undernearth all his monstrosity, actually wants to move on to a better society that doesn't torture humans
he was doing it under the pretense of "its for the better good" but now realizing that there is no greater good and all he did was make humanity even worse off is what destroys him psychologically

>>718923690 (OP)
>>never bothered to check if the "superior race" could reproduce
And how do you propose he would do that? Bring in a couple supermutants and have them have sex in front of him for weeks?
He asked the Lieutenant and he assured the Master that their reproductive system was working because he didn't wanted the Master to know the truth.

>>718924651
That's like saying cows aren't inferior to humans because we need cows to eat and drink their milk.

>>718934869
>Fallout needs dystopian realities, not good changes
Fair point.

>>718940053
we don't NEED cows, we can sustain ourselves on a large variety of other species

>>718923690 (OP)
People are unable to grasp the twist endings in Fallout 1 and 2 because of recontextualization through the later games.
The Master isn't an evil genius mastermind behind an insidious cult. Well, he is that, but he's also just a little weirdo who lost his mind generations ago, and he puts schizo thoughts in mutants' heads. The lack of an organizing principle or an elaborate conspiracy is meant as a twist.

The same issue comes up with the Enclave. Even the Enclave being capitalized is part of the twist: it's literally just an enclave of the remaining American Government. That's a massive reveal that, combined with the vaults being sociological experiments, completely flip the whole series on its head right at the end of Fallout 2. Fallout isn't even a cohesive thing until that moment; it's just a pastiche of references until then.

>>718924476
Wouldn't you run out of FEV eventually?

>>718923690 (OP)
He was also a crazy psyker with like 10 different personalities who knows what was going through his head, tentacles, whatever you have it

>>718941140
It's a virus. If you culture and incubate it, you get more virus.

>>718923690 (OP)
the guy was strapped to a computer as a flesh blob for the past dozen decades, of course he'd be out of his mind

>>718924476
Because having an army of 10ft tall super mutants rebuilding society and exterminating hostile wildlife + raiders would shit all over Todd's Fallout.

>>718938284
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>>718931901
>keep them enslaved in cages
anon, its literally just second incubation. you're in a mother's womb, then born. then you live in the human commune (like a vault), learning all of the necessary things/skills until something like 40. then you undergo the mutating process and are born again as a super mutant, released into the wider world to do whatever and live for hundreds of years. theres no cruelty to it. its just recognizing that you cant 100% being mutants, you need to maintain a human pre-step first.

>>718945121
The dunk tank is also incredibly painful and most don't even survive the process, and need to be free of radiation to not come out retarded. Keeping mutants at a stable population would be hard enough, expanding the population to start a new civilization would be impossible.

>>718945505
you can create whatever culture you want in a vault. you can advocate for rapid procreation and having as many children as possible (if you arent artificially growing them already that is), and you can make "coming of age" something glorious. the only thing you need is a pure divide between the inside and outside world. kind of like the 2005 film "the island".

>>718945908
>morality is relative dood just brainwash people to believe whatever you want

clearly the master doesn't think so, he accepted the dunk tanks as a necessary, temporary evil, not a permanent one

>>718934310
You not play the first one? The master saw all the hatred, violence, and pointless discrimination to which he decided the mutants were the solution for world peace, retard.

>>718948662
The main Master lore entry is on a computer that starts a timer to the place blowing up, so nobody reads it.
I've checked several recorded playthroughs online and never once seen someone stop down to read that holotape.

>>718948972
He tells as much to you right to your face you don't need a terminal entry for it.

>>718924239
You're confusing immortal with invincible

>>718924239
>>718950061
lobsters are immortal too.