Thread 718940258

>>718940258 (OP)
It's the same image.

>>718940258 (OP)
this the daily raytracing hate thread? you forgot the 50% fps tax

Aren't these side by sides supposed to look different?

>>718940258 (OP)
-ntal disorder.

>>718940363
fine. ill do it myself

>>718940258 (OP)
>paying extra to make your game look worse
No thanks.

Meanwhile in reality:

why are ray tracing fags literally always morally bankrupt ugly morons? my gf cannot even tell difference while playing

>>718940258 (OP)
>putting the on/off sides the wrong way around
How many times can /v/ make the same joke

Mario

/v/ is poor.. pls understand they can't afford ray tracing.

no no bro left is the "real deal" the way the game is supposed to look like, right is a scam

>>718940819
Why is top so dark?

>>718940928
someone on /v/ called me poor? well time to go redeem the jewvidia 5090. cant afford to take the hit to my ego

>>718941165
It's a small room with zero lights inside, made out of dark wooden boards, and the sun isn't shining directly through the window. Why wouldn't it be dark?

>>718941507
Damn, you need to turn the lights on in your home in the middle of the day whenever the sun isn't directly shining inside?

>>718940819
That's not just RT, the bottom picture is completely missing the directional light and the materials are completely different. Do an apples to apples comparison with RT turned off in the current build instead of making fake bullshit.

In reality you can get close to the top image without RT just by using color grading and cubemaps in an environment zone which takes like 5 minutes for a jeet to setup and calibrate.

>>718940829
>i cant tell that my video looks like shit in this video game
LOL, games that go for realism but use rasterized lighting always look like complete dogshit because you can instantly tell when the light isn't lighting

>>718941683
>In reality you can get close to the top image without RT just by using color grading and cubemaps in an environment zone which takes like 5 minutes for a jeet to setup and calibrate
yeah too bad it has dynamic time of day and not static lighting

>>718941683
>Do an apples to apples comparison with RT turned off in the current build instead of making fake bullshit.
That is literally an apples to apples comparison with RT turned off in the current build.

>>718940363
DLSS 4 ez

>>718941683
>In reality you can get close to the top image without RT just by using color grading and cubemaps in an environment zone which takes like 5 minutes for a jeet to setup and calibrate.
And then three hours pass in-game and the sun has moved to a completely different position, the cubemaps now make the room look completely fake because the sun is no longer there. What now?

>>718941758
>you have to be terminally online in order to tell a difference
lol

cant tell if people unironically shill for this ray tracing meme or if its just people that like to ragebait lol

>>718942205
>i need side by side comparisons to see the missing shadows

>>718941316
That's my Good goy

>>718942451
>missing
>video game
>missing
>video game
only thing that is missing is your brain

>>718942615
>NOOOO THE VIDEO PART OF VIDEO GAMES JUST ISNT ALLOWED TO BE GOOD IT JUST CANNOT BE GOOD PLEASE MY 1050 TI CANT KEEP UP!!!!

>>718942693
>shadow
>in mario kart
>good
get mental help

>>718941683
>That's not just RT, the bottom picture is completely missing the directional light and the materials are completely different
It's the same exact game version, with the same exact materials. Giving the game an RT option did not delete the directional lighting of the non-RT lighting.
>Do an apples to apples comparison with RT turned off in the current build
An apples to apples comparison in the current build is exactly what that image is.
Here's a webm if you want proof.

>>718942921
>oh no it got cloudy i am literally losing my mind

>>718941130
1 additional attached pointlight to the character would have reduced the fps to 100.5 and would have looked identical to the "PT" one. this is how horizon forbidden west pretends to be optimized

>>718942921
soulless v soul

>>718943016
>turning off RT completely changes the in-game weather
Any other copes?

>>718943204
good question for yourself
imagine losing your mind over
>OMG ITS CLOUDY IN GAME

>>718941507
I wonder if people who think lighting in shitty games is actually realistic. Do you know what a room looks like that has 1 or 2 windows with light shining through anything other than blackout curtains in the afternoon?

>>718942921
Looks so much better with RT off, damn
A decade of shilling of RT and they still don't know that light shining into a room lights up the room

>>718942921
>RT so bad that RTX jeweloper has to alter the tonemapper and add bloom to make it seem that rt on looks better vs rt off

>>718940819
the dev just were too lazy to do baked in lighting, so when u turned off RT, theres just nothing there.
thats nto to say moments cant look better with RT, but examples like this are disingenuous

RT is great and it's the best way to do computer graphics.
But raster techniques that approach or can even match the same effect for a lower cost is simply just better for vidya.

>>718943706
you can't easily bake lightning data for an open world game.
There's smarter ways to go about it than both baking and RT.

well worth a $1400 graphics card im sure

>>718943728
>rt best way
never is never will be.
it generates too much noise and it will be present 10 years later because it will be impossible to get rid of. any movement in motion is destroyed and it only begins to look clean if you stay still long enough, but god forbid something in the static environment moves.

>>718942921
why does turning ray tracing off turn witcher 3 into a movie from 2010

>>718944059
>>718944147
>increase bloom
>change color grading
>integrate it into the pt setting exclusively
>fool kids and sell product

shills have arrived

>>718944059
>>718944147
>>718944221
impressive. very nice. now lets see the performance cost

Why does the mere act of posting comparisons anger people so much?

>>718942921
>literally changes the weather from sunny day with orange atmosphere into a blue cloudy day
yeah, totally intended

>>718944468
me when im same fagging
nobody fucking cares
go play games u like instead of posting screenshots

>>718944468
im not mad. why is discussing the downsides making you defensive?

>>718944059
>>718944147
>>718944221
don't care, not worth it, all it does is just gives developers an easy way to dump a lighting engine on their game without any tweaking, there's a reason it runs like absolute trash despite it being mandatory in newer games
actually fucking mental that devs are putting this heavy ass shit into games

>>718944468
said the guy who clearly has no incentive to shill kikery

>>718944468
To change your mind is to kill part of yourself.
Any evidence or facts that could change your opinions are thus attack on your Ego.
This is why you cannot ever convince anyone they have to convince themselves.

>>718940258 (OP)
That fog is so fucking retarded. Fucking poos man.

>>718944468
literally no one cares about RT, only developers do, the only thing i do care about is accurate reflections but the performance hit and retarded software issues make it lame as fuck

>>718943948
That's just a matter of increasing the amount of rays and denoisers got very good. They're particularly good with a high amount of rays.
Of course the shit gpus of today can't handle it though. Which is why it's a meme.
Proper raster to handle every light scenarios in a way that's clean with no noise or motion issues is just better.
For an old game though you really can just go ahead and blast enough rays and smart denoisers to fix the visual problems though.

>>718944723
true. but what does this have to do with meme-tracing

Can someone do a comparison shot where it matters, aka. Triss's boobs?

>>718944723
That's only true for the weak willed.

realism is boring

>>718940258 (OP)
-morable innovation.

>>718944545
look at the windows fruitcake, the weather didnt change

>You need to either use nvidia expensive and noisy and laggy raytracing or go back to 1999
How about fuck you, we have svogi that literally runs on the nintendo switch? (the crysis ports for it).

>>718944984
>makes you lose detail because everything is black now
>still has the audacity to reduce your fps

>>718945038
you're right, they just massively and completely change the color tone of the game just for RT

why do all these shills do not include the fps counter in their pictures i wonder

>>718944845
Real time RT started off really weak, this created perception you can't easily change.
And it's still high end feature not worth enabling for 95%+ of users.
Nearly everyone who tried RT will have bad experience with it because it's not ready for mainstream.
But because average /v/tard cannot clearly articulate their thoughts they will simply shitpost.

>>718945079
that is such a believable shot damn. couldnt ever achieve something like that through ue5 because their lighting algorithm for materials is flawed at the core

>>718945218
also not pictured: all the yellow paint and accessibility that the demaster added

>>718941507
>Why wouldn't it be dark?
because pure realism is retarded and devs have known this for decades. you place lights to make the game look and play well not to make it look photoreal. many AAAslop consoomers fail to comprehend

>>718945198
we are better off pushing for meme framerates like 500-1000 instead of this shit desu. criticism is not always denial

It's so funny that both witcher 3 and cyberpunk pre downgrade which didn't have rt builds shit on the ray tracing versions

>>718945406
how else would they make it look good?

>>718945406
What you see in the bottom pic of >>718940819 is literally how the Witcher 3 looks like, both in the 2015 version and the no-RT remaster.

I understand why people complain about RT, it's a dev shortcut and the cost of that shortcut is offloaded to consumer hardware. But to pretend the many cheap hacks and ugly tricks of raster lighting somehow look better is pathetic denial.

>>718945079
meanwhile UE graphics and lumen will always expose that cartoony/videogamey look in your scene and nothing can be done about it

Will ray-tracing and ray-tracing hardware be standard in 20 years

>>718945218
we can't use those 20 year old techniques any more because uhhh the bossman says they won't pump his nvidia shares enough

>>718945079
SVOGI is literally raytracing's little brother, works on the same principle except voxels instead of rays.

>>718940258 (OP)
that will be 40fps + 8gb vram usage + tip of your dick + tax

>>718945079
meanwhile UE graphics and lumen will always expose that cartoony/videogamey look in your scene and nothing can be done about it

>>718945375
RT is the endgame but knowing nV they will push neural rendering next.
The real issue is how devs don't want to make both raster and RT versions to the same standard.
One is always the focus at the cost of the other.
Not to mention very few games gain from real time RT because of how the majority of games are just static environments with set lighting. So you can simply pre-bake everything and not suffer the performance hit.
But it makes creating open world slop easier so there is that.
Hardware isn't there and it's not even on the horizon, maybe in 10 years.

>>718945818
This looks like a weg scene

RT Reflections are significantly better than SSR any day of the week. The "edge of screen" effect of SSR is unavoidable and absolute SHIT

>>718945818
Lumen is dogshit and always will be. Literally what happens when Ranjeet says "yes saar i will make your game raay trace without any performance costs and without need hardware, please buy!"

>>718941507
THat's what it looks like to a camera not the human eye. THe bottom image looks much closer to what you would see in real life

imagine falling for raytracing scam

>>718940819
Saying "bottom looks like shit" to kids who grew up on 2010s games and their lighting is like trying to teach Jehovah's witnesses not to knock on doors.

>>718940613
over half of your performance for an otherwise unnoticeable change. seems legit

>>718941130
Left looks like he's standing directly under a light source (he is) while right looks like the overhead light has somehow been impossible softened

>>718945627
Go fucking watch the predowngrade footage. The lighting shits on RT.

>>718946004
Yup, I enabled RT in Control because I could not stand SSR.
And I'm using AyyMD GPU.
But for flat reflective surfaces like mirrors we should just use planar reflections instead of RT. The quality is simply better.

>>718946151
keeeeeeeeeeeek

2010 games had better graphics and it's not a joke

>>718946174
CP2077 RT is weird because it looks amazing in some places and terrible in others

>>718942921
Not memeing it genuinely looks better with the raytracing off. The only thing wrong with the off version is the lighting temperature is too blue like it's past sunset outside, but the lighting itself is far better

>>718942921
KEKAROOO RAYTRACING BTFO

sour grapes thread made by gtx1650 owner
stay buttmad and keep playing dota2 for the rest of your life
the world will move on and you will be remembered as "retard yells at cloud" just like the morons who shat on raster graphics because "you don't need more than vector output anyway"

>>718946337
ok saar

>>718942921
the fact people itt think the rt-off version looks in any way acceptable proves that the derangement is untreatable

>>718946298
>skip to random point in the video
>looks better than pathtracing

>>718940819
>>718942921
>this is how it looked at ultra settings in 2015
No, anon don't lie, at least post screens pre Next Gen / RayTracing update.

>>718942921
Well, guess I'm a RT fan now.
Maybe getting a 5070 recently has something to do with it.

>>718946431
just admit you have bad taste anon its okay

Look at this amazing shadowing and real-time dynamic lighting! If it wasn't for RTX we'd never be able to achieve these kinds of results.

>>718942921
>RT ON
>cant see shit despite the sun is literally shining through the window

>RT OFF
>can see everything

>>718945218
You can tell its double rendering of the same models in the Wii version cause the mirror zombie goes transparent when the non-mirror one does.

>>718946595
why would they downgrade graphics?

>>718945126
>they just massively and completely change the color tone of the game just for RT
that isn't how RT works

>>718947259
so they just fucked it up? yeah, seems right

>>718946502
back before the lighting systems had an easy "produce scene" button

>>718942921
oh come on, clearly someone came to this fucking random room and made it like that to make the comparison, the outside world doesn't even change

>>718946595
There is no lie.
That is how the game looked in 2015.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vo0WsEax8g&t=300s
Look, a decade old youtube video. Would you look at that? That interior has the EXACT same visual issues as the bottom pic in >>718940819.
There was no intentional visual downgrade in the next-gen version. The RT-off version looks EXACTLY the same as the 2015 version. Stop the cope.

Hating on Ray/Pathtracing is one of the greatest /v/eddit copes. Peak faggotry, stay mad.

>>718947670
i will saar

I dont want vidya to look like real life

>>718947667
Different anon here, there is a downgrade but it's not visual: if I remember right, simply playing the RT version even with RT off simply gives you less performance than the non-RT version. Same shit happens to the Resident Evil remakes and 7 after the RT patches, even if you play with RT off you simply get less frames than pre-patch.

>>718947497
Nope, that's just what Witcher 3 interiors look like without RT. The old lighting is just flat and shit. Hell, I REMEMBER this board in 2015 making fun of how grey and shit the interiors looked. Are we really now pretending they looked fine just to be contrarian?

New game bros, RT is cool, but is it worth all this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOQbEBcQ0bo

Way too many Americans and other brown third-worlders on /v/.
Wait for MemeMD to release RedditUDNA and maybe you'll be able to buy GPU with decent ray-tracing performance.

>>718948283
they can't even fix the driver errors so i don't expect there to be good ray tracing performance on AMD

>>718947497
The outside doesn't need to change because the outside has no impact on the lighting in that room. If RT is disabled then the light doesn't propagate from the windows to the inside, the windows are basically just decoration for the scene and the entire room is just lit with some artificial global light. Doesn't matter what's outside the windows really.

>>718948031
>jensen starts yapping about female stormtroopers and reflections coming off her chest
its so fucking over

Ray tracing is the future and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
You will upgrade you 1080 Ti and will say thank you.

>>718940819
>it's 3 PM with the sun shining outside
>the room is pitch black with a handful of bright spots

Have the people who make those games and who take those screenshots experienced reality, ever?
Bottom look better but still too dark.

>>718941165
for some reason the game gets really dark when you turn on RT. poor artistic decisions i guess

>>718948775
True.

MemeMD-bros, our strongest card trying ray-tracing.

>>718949098
AI is already used in visualization and even some real time rendering. It can effectively replace any sort of heuristic, like denoising. Honestly, if you think about is raster is just a collection of heuristics. They're a bunch of tricks to (poorly) approximate the impression of lighting using arbitrarily simplified models of how light, color, shadows, etc. shade the environment. The reason why games like Witcher 3 have these problems >>718948027
>>718947667
is because games were a collection of a bag of tricks, often applied to specific locations. You forget about one location and suddenly it looks like shit.

>>718945102
Every time I turn RTX ON, I feel like I wanna walk around and look at things, while with it off It feels like just any other arcady game that I can 360 no scope.

>>718948775
good ray tracing? nvidia is going out of their way(again) to push AMD in a hole with software tech, pushing EVERY game to have lumen and ray tracing in some form because they KNOW AMD can't deal with it, just like when tessellation was released and barely any better than parallax mapping

>>718949538
Haha, remember Crysis 2 with its tessellated water under the city?

>>718949512
good goy

>>718949952
FF16 has no raytracing.

>>718940258 (OP)
>nvidia is going to re-invent ambient occlusion except it's 1000 times more computationally expensive

>>718940819
for all I know the cold atmosphere is there to support the vibe for a quest

>>718940819
>sun is shining into the east window at 3PM

>>718948817
>>718942921
Why are we acting like the lighting in a room looking shit is a hardware/technology problem?
This is a videogame, it looks however the developer's artists want it to look. If you want the lighting in a room to look better just make it better

If you're asking me to buy more hardware because you don't want to employ proper artists to do their job then I'll tell you to fuck off

>>718951224
Guess 996 pays off.

>>718945780
And it worked great in crysis 2 and 3 and the tech went into the most retarded direction possible instead opting for rays calculated per pixel instead of sparse grid of the light probes. You didn't need much processing power to do it compared to what the industry thinks we need.

240 FPS raster on an oled >>>> ray tracing

RT honestly is one of those things where screenshots just can't accurately portray it sometimes. When its in motion inside the game it is way more noticeable.

I got into 3D recently and after learning some basics I understood that Epic saying that you don't need to bake anymore because you can just import from zbrush is the most retarded thing you can spout. BUT MUH MILLIONS OF TRIANGLES
Worthless, the triangle count means nothing if materials suck and engine sucks and you suck and holy fucking shit I can't imagine any serious artist-gamer people working with AAA studios because Epic destroys the principles of good 3D modelling just to appease the execs who think that they will save some money by telling artists to remove the retopology step out of the 3D pipeline because "the nanite can handle this much geometry!". Even non-game 3d stuff gets optimized for the sake of rigging and actual speed at which you can interact with objects in editor. Triangle counts still matter in rendering and even if you're using path tracing for a render you can still see significant speed-ups in render time if you optimize your meshes.

>>718953413
>Lets save $0.01 on thermal pads
I hate this shit.

>>718954625
check time in india

>>718954625
poorfags will just put their blinkers on and never admit that ray tracing is the superior rendering technique for lighting, reflection...

>>718940258 (OP)
-me

>>718955313
maybe in 10 years saar

>>718940258 (OP)
Honestly ray tracing, RTX specifically, did turn out to be a bit of a meme. Compared with full-on PATH TRACING.

>>718956176
>always looks identical except for the characters faces
this is so purposefully gimped to make you want to use raytracing lmao

i dont care how good ray tracing is until the performance hit is improved I will never use it, going from 175fps to 80 is asinine

>>718950039
and it runs like shit anyway

>>718957106
>I don't know what I'm looking at but lmao

>>718941507
What universe do you live in that it's dark as shit inside during daylight in a room with big ass windows and sunlight shining in? This is not how reality works and it's not appealing to look at, either

>4k oled tv
>hdr with renodx
>pathtracing
the way it's meant to be played™

>>718958837
>no panty shot
What is even the point?

I feel like 99% of the board doesn't even know what raytracing is. It's literally a simulation of light rays. Can we run it without framegen? No. But the kikes and saars trying to upsell you on a scam that we don't have now isn't a solution either. We don't have much besides Screen-Space GI techniques for big open world games so it's no wonder we can't have everything accurate.

>>718940258 (OP)
>me
I dont want the graphics to be built by some shitty secondary system developers need to work harder. FAGGOTS

>>718958837
What game is this?

>>718945218
now let's see the reflections on any surface that's not a flat plane

>>718943706
>i swear communism works if you bake the lighting correctly

>>718960916
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkSPOvRIvF4
chink gacha

>>718944468
If you post retarded comparisons people who like RT get mad, if you post good comparisons people with toasters get mad.

>>718953656
That's one GPU that was assembled wrong. This happens.

>>718961229
show me a game that does this without raytracing

>>718963087
Gigabyte had melting thermal pads issue in 5xxx GPUs so it's not just this one.

>>718958837
>don't bother to implement things in non RTX
>SEEE HOW GOOD RTX IS
lol

>>718940258 (OP)
You've drawn a line and added some bullshit text on a game screenshot?

>>718940258 (OP)
That's Olgierd's house?

Always have a hard time playing a game just for the visuals, and Witcher RT is nice, but man the combat is so fucking ass. Also the movement feels, very weird compared to how it used to be 9 years ago.

>>718944213
>increase bloom

Sell the kids for food
Weather changes moods
Spring is here again
Reproductive glands

He's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
Knows not what it means
And I say he's the one
Who likes all our pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he knows not what it means
Knows not what it means
And I say yeah

>>718941130
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