Thread 718941250

What are the downsides of PC gaming?

>>718941250 (OP)
Expensive, uncomfortable, and spine ruining if you also work 40 a week desk job.

Bad posture

All the research you need to do

>>718941250 (OP)
having to fix problems or issues that can occur when trying to play a game

>>718941250 (OP)
Decision paralysis from having too many of the best games ever made to choose from.

>card is on sale
>delivery in 30 days

i can't decide on components
i don't have a job and spending that much money makes me sick to my stomach

>>718941250 (OP)
>upgrade pc after years of dogshit games
>play new games you waited for
>turns out it's shit and badly optimized even with top tier pc
>go back to playing games from 20 - 30 years ago
>money wasted

>>718941353
i work from home and only have a PC for vidya. i'm at my desk for ~12 hours a day and my back is fine.

but you are correct in that you need to invest in a proper desk chair. a shitty chair and poor posture can cause back problems. my desk chair cost $5,000 but is worth it

>>718941250 (OP)
>platform agnostic
>parts can be upgraded piecemeal
>can do literally anything, run any OS
Downsides, uh... tyrone and 6 years can't use it? There I answered your b8 thread.

you end up spending a lot of money on a machine only to browse 4chan for hours on end instead of playing video games

>>718941250 (OP)
Requires at least 100IQ so this filters half of /v/.

>>718942006
>>718941353
or you could just do some calisthenics to correct your posture and maintain your spine health.

>>718941250 (OP)
You can use AI to generate loli porn on the side

>>718941250 (OP)
You'd need 10000 5090s to get the power of a single PS5 Pro.

>>718942305
i'll have you know that i also do watch a massive amount of porn on it as well as some shitty british panel quiz reruns

>>718942506
PS5 Pro is worse than a 4060 lol

>>718941250 (OP)
Initial cost.
Literally no other issue if you're not genuinely retarded.

>>718941250 (OP)
>bad ports
>no physical option
That's about it, it's not even that expensive, if you're on a tighter budget go for a cheaper card and lower your settings, you don't need to play @ 4k/120fps. Something like a used 4060TI/16Gb should run recent games at decent settings just fine. Complaining about the price of the flagship cards is like going for a luxury car when looking for a new car and complaining that it's over 100k. Maybe buy the Toyota? And if it's still too expensive buy the 10yo Toyota?

>>718941250 (OP)
Hardware prices are pretty bullshit high nowadays.

>>718942506
ps5 pro is maybe a 5060 in raster. Worse in rt + you don't have a dlss equivalent.

>>718942705
You need fake pixels and fake frames to get 720p60 on ur novideo card lol. I get 32K infinity fps on my PS5 Pro.

>>718941250 (OP)
stutter

>>718941250 (OP)
Non pc gamers get extremely jealous towards you.

>>718941353
Just connect your pc to a tv

>>718942878
ue5 stutter is on the consoles too, it's just that no one over there cares. Even Digital Foundry it only gets pointed out if it's Alex doing the video.

>>718943023
>connect your pc to a tv

>>718943873
>>718943472
Can't afford an 85 inch OLED?

Causing eternal seething is a tough act to endure but that is the price we pay.

I just want to know when is it a good time to upgrade..I've been saving up and have almost 2k..

I have a great PC case and great storage. But I'm going crazy since I don't know what to get anymore.

>>718947598
5090 prices have normalized if you're trying to go top end. Now's probably a comfy time to buy.

>>718947723
Isn't tb 5070TI super coming soon though? It has 24 GB of vram.

>>718947598
There is never good time to upgrade.
But there can be terrible time to upgrade.
Everything but GPUs is really affordable right now, noVideo will launch refreshed cards by the end of the year or early next year.

>>718947598
black friday

>>718948149
>>718947723
I think the biggest issue I have is I don't know what cpu to get. I have a Ryzen 2600 . And since then they've introduced am5, and the x3d chips which Ive heard are great for games under certain conditions.
But then the normal Ryzen chips are better for games too somehow.

>>718948149
>Everything but GPUs is really affordable right now
GPUs are down to close to MSRP. That's as good as you're going to get.

>>718948278
It depends on your target resolution. If you're playing 1080 or 1440, the CPU matters a lot more. If you're playing at 4k, you're better off shopping for a CPU that meets your use case otherwise, as the GPU is the bottleneck.

>>718941250 (OP)
There's less than 1% of games you won't be able to play for now at least
Also the sheer amount of games available is paralyzing to some.

PCfags are all virgins while Consolechads get all the pussy

>>718948278
It depends what monitor you have and what games you want to play or if you are doing other stuff on your PC.
7800X3D is second best CPU and it's quite cheap right now at around $350. But you might not even need that and then you can just go with entry level like 7500F or 7700 if you want 8 core.
I would get X3D if you play autism sims those benefit the most or if you want to hit very high FPS in esports.

>>718941250 (OP)
A higher up-front cost I guess? There aren't really any disadvantages beyond that, the platform is entirely superior otherwise.

>>718947774
If you really need an upgrade it's best to just lock in now while everything is at msrp.
Those super cards will probably replace the original lineup, and unlike those will have demand outside of gaming (They're going to be expensive)

>>718941353
It is ultimately not more expensive to get a PC than a console now, consoles just have built-in payment plans and hidden costs that PC does not have, often doubling the original asking price for a console.
Hardware-wise most consoles are also equivalent to low-mid-range GPUs and low end CPUs, with other components likewise being very low budget, so even at the initial asking price you're looking at a very close race.
>>718942729
Physical only matters if you don't have a good internet connection for downloading the game once. After you have the game on your drive, the only thing that matters is DRM and any external services like servers that may be discontinued.
Consoles by default have a massive issue, because they are not your device to freely administrate and copying files off the physical storage is often more difficult or poses significant issues.
>>718947723
Novidya is a meme, don't buy unless you know they're overcompensating for bad public image (not currently happening).

You have to be willing to tweak settings, mess with and debug/look up and apply solutions to problems because pc games are always going to end with some shit that doesn't just work.

>>718941250 (OP)
upgrading is too expensive. if you buy a good enough rig when you build youre fine though

>>718949042
>Novidya is a meme
No path tracing on amd, more and more games starting to use it. Will probably be in most games like rt now once gaystation 6 launches

>>718941250 (OP)
Expensive hardware.

>>718949042
>Intel is aiming for the ultrapoor market, but can't even run truly old games well due to no native DX9 and lower support
>AMD's flagship, released this year, can't compete with Nvidia's previous gen flagship from 2022
>but Nvidia is a meme
Imagine just lying on the internet for the saars supervising you at the call center like you do.

>>718941250 (OP)
Upgrading. I don't know anything about computers, so it's a huge pain in the ass.

>>718941250 (OP)
bad ports back pain
windows in general
its great when it works but i wish it had the stablity of console sometimes
ima try linux
>>718942004
lol bro ur doing pc wrong
you buy a new pc to run fallout nv or skyrim with more mods
or pirate

>>718949169
Novidya has a history of sabotage, lying and convincing dev teams to intentionally fuck up AMD implementations of features.
The obvious conclusion though is that not only is this "advantage" only ever going to be temporary (lasting as long as they keep bribing developers and reviewers), but it's going to require them to continue to be interested enough in the gaming market to keep dumping money into it.
>>718949706
>vague, unsourced bullshit
I didn't state that anything else is worth getting, just that it's definitely not worth it to "go green" and hasn't been since they accidentally released the 1080 and 1080 ti.

>>718947723
Yeah, I just bought mine two weeks ago and I'm very happy I did

>>718941250 (OP)
>Build $3000 PC
>use it as a 4chan machine

>>718942729
back in the day yeah 50 seiries or 60 series was a good option
go for like
4070 super
or buy a used pc with a 1070 or 1660 super
gpus r a scam now lol

>>718950082
>convincing dev teams to intentionally fuck up AMD implementations of features.
Is that why AMD and Nvidia are always working towards the same thing? The difference is that only one of them actually cares about the desktop gpu market
Who do you think makes the apu for the consoles?

>>718950136
>back in the day yeah 50 seiries or 60 series was a good option
5060 in 2025 is more usable than the 1060 (3gb, 6gb is a 5060 ti equivalent) was in 2016.

>>718941250 (OP)
Optimization.

>>718941250 (OP)
Piracy. Stealing is bad and is punishable by law.

>>718950451
And nvidia is ditching that market because selling AI chips to companies makes them way more money. It's probably the reason why nvidia drivers are pajeet tier this year too

>>718943023
Fucking amateurs

>>718950451
>Is that why AMD and Nvidia are always working towards the same thing?
same thing, different implementations.
Nvidia's whole "The Way It's Meant To Be Played" campain was about putting in proprietary blackbox barriers like Hairworks that can't run on AMD hardware.
not that AMD is innocent, they had the Gaming Evolved program too. they were just too broke to keep it up.

AMD leans in to open source technologies so that all of their shit can run on Nvidia if Nvidia chooses to implement it, but make no mistake if they weren't consistently sub-20% marketshare they would be just as evil. lisa su is jensen's neice.

>>718950992
Get on my level

>>718950992
Feet

>novideo discontinuing 1080 drivers

1080 bros... We can't delay upgrading any longer...

>>718951210
>open source
Another reason to avoid AMD.

>>718941250 (OP)
Rife with snake oil salesmanship. If you don't know exactly what to get, you're bound to run into bad purchases.

>>718941250 (OP)
Really none if you're not dirt poor or a smooth brain. PC is the de-facto platform.

Gatekeeping fucktards that poison every search you do in what components to get. Apparently everything sucks and will catch fire and burn you to death, so here i am left with no idea about what to buy and everyone disagreeing with everything

>>718951301
There's been nothing in the drivers specific for those GPUs for a long time. Keeping up to date on drivers for a GPU that old is kind of pointless. The real issue for you is Windows 12 and beyond.

>>718950992
>>718951234
deprecated by xr glasses

>>718951396
Buy an expensive PSU, Motherboard and case. Cheap out on everything else because those parts are easy to drag and drop down the line.

>>718951396
don't be retarded. do your own research. none of this is hard to understand

>>718951505
I'm gonna grab a 5070 ti (or ti super) depending on how low the price gets during black friday sales. hopefully that keeps me going for another 8 years or so

>>718951396
Why can't you make your own research instead of asking a bunch of trolls?
Only GPUs such as 4090 and 5090 can catch fire, and super cheap PSUs.
Building PC was never as easy as it is right now.

>>718951396
you being too stupid to read a review or two isn't gatekeeping.

>everything sucks and will catch fire and burn you to death
nvidia is pushing a new 12 pin power cable standard (pictured, the one on the right) but it is known to short-circuit and catch fire frequently. avoid it if you can.

>>718951567
>Buy an expensive PSU, Motherboard and case
This is good advice other than the case. Just get the cheapest chink thing that will actually fit a 360mm aio (so 3 fans up top or in front)

>>718951567
>expensive psu
you only need to get a *good* psu from a *good* brand like seasonic
>expensive motherboard
Why? most people don't need a 400$ board. figure out your needs and buy a motherboard that supports those needs.
>cheap out on everything else
if you cheap out on the cpu and gpu what's even the point of building a gaming pc?

>>718942305
literally me

>>718951531
This could provide unprecedented levels of comfy but i reckon it needs more time in the oven.

>>718948853
My fps in STALKER CoP went up drastically more from going to x3d than it ever did from gpu upgrades. Maybe it's good to make unoptimized games run a bit better

New PSU and cable/pin standards are unironically the biggest unknowns for me, someone who hasn't kept up with things since Ampere.
This entire time, I haven't bothered to check if the 12 pin on my FE is different from the new 12VHPWR,
or what the heck ATX 3.0 is. I hear about these things and then I get scared like a boomer retard.

>>718951396
Don't ask reddit or /g/, it's just brandwarring.
If you're looking for unbiased benchmarks check out Daniel Owen for gpus, Techpowerup for specific games. Occasionally Digital Foundry and Level1Techs will post a review, usually of high end parts. Hardware Unboxed is basically a shill channel at this point.
5060ti and 5070 are the default midrange options this gen. In the United States AMD has made zero sense for the last couple gens.
5070ti if you're playing at 4k, you fell for vram hysteria, or want to sit on the same card for a decade. PS6 will maybe be compared to a 5070 absolute best scenario, they've already signaled the intent to keep the next console cheap.
If you were the audience for the 5090 or 5080 you wouldn't have to ask for advice.

For processors right now in general it's an am5 x3d, Intel 13600k/14600k/265k if you find them discounted. For "real work" things can be more complicated.

>>718952165
Jank that runs on a single core loves X3D.
I forgot to mention certain emulators can benefit from it as well.

>>718951868
Most normalfags wouldn't want to redo all their wiring from scratch because they bought a $50 case when they could have spent $100 and use it permanently.
>>718951871
High wattage PSU means you can upgrade to a high end GPU without having to upgrade your PSU as well. Theres no worse feeling than having to spend that extra bit when you're already hurting from the GPU. Youtube faggots are trying to recommend AM4 boards when your far better off getting AM5 with a low end CPU and upgrading when next years generation releases. The point of a PC is that your game saves and library exist permanently without having to start over like console as well as having access to mods, emulation, indie games, productivity and unlimited media access. None of those require high end specs.

>>718941250 (OP)
My rotten brain prefers the distraction also I have constant crashing issues despite my gear being supposedly more than good enough that the usual troubleshooting solutions haven't fixed

>>718952629
you really dont need a 1200W psu unless you plan on getting a power hog like a 4090 which 90% of people are definitely not doing since it costs 2500USD

>>718952905
You will buy a 4090 in 2030 when they're $700

>>718952994
why would I buy a used 4090 when the midrange cards will be 1.5x or better

>>718952994
The 7070 will be faster at $600.

>>718953126
It'll cheaper than mid range because of the power draw

>>718941250 (OP)
For me, I think the biggest downside is the initial cost of investment, especially for a nice setup. You can get a budget setup, too, but it's still initially pricier than a console.

However, after the initial down payment, over time, it pays for itself. Games are cheaper, mods are better, graphics are also better, and the PC can be used for more than just gaming. On my desktop, I do my work, gaming, watching, and everything. ALSO, no online subscription bs, keeping the games and being able to play them on other PCs, etc. If the cost of entry does not bother you, it's probably the best investment you can make.

(Upgrading parts is also simple that you do not need to buy the mwuah new console every couple of years)

>>718941250 (OP)
>Expensive
>Bulky
>High electricity bills
>Hard to clean and move around
>Can only be used on a desk
>Gets hot as shit and heats up the room
>Noisy
>Most games are unoptimized and broken
>Most random issues when you least expect
>Drm up your ass
>Digital only
>Steamies by far the worst fanbase that ever existed and will piss, shit and cry if games are released on other stores

>>718953126
Not him but mid-range isn't getting much faster anymore.
15-25% at most each gen.
But nV always finds a way to kill the performance of the older cards so you might be right.

>>718941353
fpbp

>>718953491
Prompt?

>>718953393
lmao no

>>718953365
this and also the amd RDNA5 leaks say their 10070 xt will cost around 550$ and be 1.2x a 4090

>>718953546
we'll see about that.

>>718941250 (OP)
Several times, developers care less about PC optimization, and focus on the console one.

Aside this, I don't truly find downsides. Someone might argue that it costs more, but on console, games cost more, and additionally you will have to pay monthly for the online.
Also, a PC works, well, as a PC too. It's not exclusively for gaming, making it a kind of 2 in 1 deal.

>>718951675
>>718951704
i have $3k to spend to build a PC do it for me
>whatever you post will have people arguing how every choice is mistake and you’re retarded whatever choice you make and everything will suck
Or you go to a store and buy a console and just play

>>718953637
>this and also the amd RDNA5 leaks say their 10070 xt will cost around 550$ and be 1.2x a 4090
Literally impossible. Like you would have to actually have down syndrome to think that's possible. Maybe hope for a 4090 competitor that costs $850 next gen best case scenario.
We're just never going to see jumps like that, it's literally never going to happen until we reverse engineer Alien Grey technology.

>>718941250 (OP)
Distraction, I've noticed it's way easier for me to focus when playing on switch.
That said, i don't get it when people complain you have to constantly tinker with settings on pc when i can't remember the last time I've had to do that.

>>718953994
just buy a midrange card, a midrange cpu (any), a motherboard that fits the cpu, and 32 gigs of ram. stuff it all in a case and be done with it.

>>718954042
"that's literally impossible"
sure buddy sure. I think I'll trust the industry insiders who leaked the information over random /v/ anon.

>>718954191
>industry insiders who leaked the information
MLID (assuming that's where it comes from) just throws out everything he hears, regardless of where it came from. There's a reason no one takes him seriously
What you're describing is literally impossible.

>>718953365
>>718953126
*you'll buy a 5090 in 2030 for $500

>>718954042
>cost around 550$ and be 1.2x a 4090
>Like you would have to actually have down syndrome to think that's possible.
Glad we got that out of the way.

>>718955086
Yes. The people who take that at face value have down syndrome.
5070 still probably the best midrange card this gen considering pricing.

>>718955608
I would not buy 5070 with refreshed line-up on the horizon.
12GB will bite you in the ass unless you want to upgrade every gen.
That card is just so unimpressive, barely faster than 3080 almost 5 years later.
In the end you just buy the most expensive GPU you can afford anyway.

PC gaming rewards knowledge and experience, so it'll only be expensive if you don't know what you're doing.
t. always build buying second hand and never had a problem

why are 4090s more expensive than 5090s

>>718941250 (OP)
>spend $3000 to play the same game as $500 PS5

>>718956532
They aren't, you are just looking at scam listings.

>>718941250 (OP)
no time to game since you're always drowning in pussy

>>718956737
Show me a non-scam listing then.

>>718956832
4090 isn't made anymore, should I put it more clearly?
Everything you see is used or a scam.

>>718953994
Or you just build it yourself instead of relying on other people to think for you

>>718956180
>I would not buy 5070 with refreshed line-up on the horizon.
Demand will be high, going to have a hard time getting one at msrp. As of right now and in the near future 12gb vs 16/18gb isn't going to be worth much for a card of this class. On the 5070 vs ti almost all of the examples of the 12gb card running out of memory aren't playable on a 70ti either (and that's with it already being like 10%-25% faster)
>12gb will bite you in the ass
Maybe 8 years from now. From my perspective having to upgrade your midrange card after 2 gens to keep playing everything maxed out sounds totally fair. 8gb is still fine today you just have to open a settings menu. Not that you should buy an 8gb new card today, I'm just saying...
4gb was still usable for 1080p until late last year.
>>718956532
They're gone. Unless you can find someone selling it locally the online listings are universally scams. You might be one of the people who should try to find a 5080 super when they launch, only a little bit slower with the same amount of memory.
I can't see into the future but I'm assuming you'll need a bot

>>718958046
>>718956982
i might just do the 5090 then, means ill get it later but, may as well do overkill so im good for several years

>>718958046
>Maybe 8 years from now
You can already fill 12GB with ease, mostly in shitty games like SW:Outlaws or CP77.
It's even easier if you enable FG.
"usable" is just subjective.
For me 8GB was barely usable in 2020.

>>718958361
>CP77
I don't know what outlaws is but cyberpunk only needs more than 12gb at 4k native with pt or 4k DLSS Quality + pt + framegen.
>For me 8gb was barely usable in 2020
You're not the norm though

>>718958691
I'm sure there are some mods that can push it further

>>718958691
CP77 has memory leak just play for longer and you will experience it. DLC is the most likely place to see it. Just 1440p with normal RT is enough. If you want textures which don't look like smeared shit you also want more than 12GB for that game.
Outlaws also has bad VRAM management so heavy stuttering is just a part of the experience with 12GB, unless you turn potato mode.
5070 can do 4k DLSS perf in many games just fine. With DLSS4 it doesn't even look that bad.
>You're not the norm though
Never said I was. Like I said "usable" is subjective.
Having more than 12GB will simply create a safety bubble, remember new cucksoles are around the corner and they will have more memory for sure.

>>718941250 (OP)
You have to use Windows, high cost, tranny community, Steam is the main store. Random issues that no one has ever documented so you just hope they get resolved.

>>718959320
im deciding between a 5070ti and ti super for 1440p. I have no intention of going 4K and the only real variable is 16gb vs 24gb. I wonder if spending an extra hundred compared to hopefully BF sale ti is worth it for the extra 8gb vram

>>718960173
I don't know the spec for refresh 5070Ti other than bigger VRAM capacity.
Some models might not even get better performance 5080S will be the same GPU if it even exists because it uses full die already.
I can bet 5070Ti S won't be available at MSRP for some time. So, do you want to wait for another 9 months for GPU?

>>718941250 (OP)
Poorfags holding back advanced graphics

>>718941250 (OP)
Just cost of purchase at this point, I think I spent like seven or eight thousand dollars on mine.

>>718960578

yeah I was thinking that too. I'd not only have to wait for the price to drop but also for the reviews to come in for specific manufacturers. MSi inspire 3x seems to be one of the better 5070ti on the market right now and it got some decent reviews in terms of thermals and noise. Think I'll just pick up that if/when it goes on sale for black friday

>>718942006
>my desk chair cost $5,000 but is worth it
NTA. Where and why do you buy a chair that expensive? Does it give you blowjobs at least? What are the featurs of it? What is it made of? Do you ever think you got gypped out of 5000$? Is it comfortable? How is it worth it more than, say, a 300$ chair with good back support? Your chair costs more than my PC ffs.

>>718961441
Sounds reasonable. High end models aren't worth the extra. I haven't heard about MSI fuck-ups lately so it should be safe for now.

Steam is annoying to use, cheaters are more common, emulation is worse than on console (you can buy most retro games), more expensive than consoles, gaming PCs look gay compared to regular PCs, internet is more addictive so you'll spend less time gaming

>>718941250 (OP)
A shit ton of cum will end up inside the keyboard

>>718941250 (OP)
The cost of upgrades and new hardware. This isn't a problem if you're okay playing with normal settings and don't need 4k or whatever. But many people fall into the trap of constantly buying the latest hardware, even though they don't need it to play games.
>t. Has an RTX 3060 12GB
>It plays literally everything at 1080p/60
I think the only game I've ever had issues with was Elden Ring Nightreign. It had weird hitching, but they fixed it with an update.

>>718962180
do people really shell out thousands for the latest 90 class gpu every fucking year? that sounds absolutely fucking mental

It's so comfy being a wealthy American bros. Can't wait to buy a 5070 Ti 24GB Super for Christmas.

>>718950136
50 series hasn't been good since like the 9500 Pro (which shouldn't count since it was basically the 60/600 of its day)

>>718962701
My friend builds a new PC like every 2 or 3 years and always buys the latest Nvidia GPU.

>>718941250 (OP)
Not much honestly.
Emulation means compatability with nearly all old systems.
Being a universal platform means anyone can play anything provided they can run it.
And most everything is fine even with steam deck potato specs so a huge budget isnt needed to build a nice experiance.
Your choice of form factor also.
no bullshit monthy retard tax to use your own internet.
If it breaks you can fuckin fix it.
negatives are...software can be fiddly when you mod something to fuck and back. Retards often dont know what the fuck they are doing also
>>718942141
basically this.