Thread 718942897

there are so many souls-like games now that i only play those offering an easy mode

>>718942897 (OP)
skill issue

>>718942897 (OP)
Nah. Easy modes shouldn't be in games. Make your game a single difficulty or you are a hack that doesn't know how to craft an experience. Don't make excuses for people who don't want to learn to play a game. Don't cater to an audience that isn't your own.

>>718943163
>miss out on sales by not adding three lines of code for lowered damage received

>>718943298
damage number-based difficulty is terrible.
easy mode fags proving even more how much of a plague they are.

>>718943298
>muh sales
kys faggot

>>718943298
You have ruined hard mode you jerk

>>718943298
Yes. Because 9 out of 10 times the sales you "missed out on" were at the expense of your audience which later down the line makes sure your franchise dies and much undeserved death.

it will sell because it's hard
it wont sell if it's easy

>>718942897 (OP)
Normalfags started this trend. They think of it as a social hobby, so their entire value of the game comes from how it relates to other people. Even singleplayer games become a metric of "how does this make ME look to everyone else?"

It really doesn't work in all games but games do need a better baseline difficulty. Hard in one game is awfully easy in other.

>>718942897 (OP)
the first time through is the easy mode though, if you want a difficult challenge you do challenge runs

>>718943729
good thing those "missed" sales pale in comparison to point that they are non-issues that barely register as a marginal difference

>>718943989
Ah yes. The "nonissue" of the Franchises immediate death. Fromsoft is not giving you a easy mode journalist. Go back to working the McDonalds drive-through with what little time you have before a robot replaces you.

>>718942897 (OP)
>I don't want any sense of accomplishment from my vidya!!!! >:(
ok loser

>>718942897 (OP)
the game gives you everything you need to win, theres no need for a difficulty slider.

I switched to medium difficulty (hard is the original difficulty before they patched in easy modes) in the Lies of P DLC on NG+ cause I couldn't be assed with the damage sponge enemies
Great fun

Movies should have on-screen info-boxes that pop up and explain any scene you're currently watching.

>>718944095
my mistake
i didnt realize i was responding AGAINST the anti-easy mode side
i am FOR fromsoft's game design philosophy or difficulty being a core aspect of their games

>>718942897 (OP)
Easyfags should just stick to watching LPers play the game

>>718944174
>If it's beatable, it's good

>>718942897 (OP)
Why?
Be honest.

>>718944214
There's no way streaming services don't already have a "summarize the last 10 minutes" feature given how ADHD zoomies are

>>718944214
Keikaku means plan

>>718944352
>all according to keikaku
And here I thought keikaku meant fire hydrant.

>>718942897 (OP)
>I want to feel special for beating the game on hard
They didn't beat the game on hard, they just beat the game on the singular difficulty in this case. You aren't entitled to being able to beat a game just because you paid for it.

>>718944181
first time i played lies of p i quit at the deep church, some of the enemies got me fucked up
after the update i started over and enjoyed easy mode
got all the way to the robot exhibit and quit when i had to navigate the rafters which lower damage didn't help with

>>718944579
>rafters
Go far enough forward that you aggro the shield nigger, walk back along one rafter so he follows you, then go over to the parallel rafter and you can just run past him no issues
Gotta rush the bomb throwing cunts though

>normal is too easy
>hard is too hard
fucking nignog devs are so shit at their games they literally make them too easy and then don't test the higher difficulties at all
friendly reminder that John Romero made sure he could beat his DOOM maps with just the pistol start on UV difficulty because designing the challenge is the most important part of making a video game

Not every game has to appeal to every person and only corporate jews disagree

The best games only appeal to a small group of people but they adore it. If you make something for everybody then really you're making something for nobody

Games should have a cut down "practice mode" for children and journos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y49BeAjZjGo

>>718944331
Nobody today actually watches movies. They put the movie on for background noise and so they can say they watched it, but really they just look at their phone the whole time and only look up when there's a loud noise

>>718944128
>playing videogames
>accomplishment
nigga you're delusional

>>718944561
>You aren't entitled to being able to beat a game just because you paid for it.
Bingo.

>>718943163
Kinda cringe, you can absolutely have different difficulties as long as their not entirely numbers based.

>>718944798
Lel I haven't beaten doom on any difficulty. I did finish Blood on hardest though, what a great game

>>718945210
Akchually, he said sense of accomplishment, which beating vidya instills. Feel free to argue that it's a fake sense but he never said it's an actual accomplishment

>>718942897 (OP)
There are so many souls-like games now that i only play those offered by Fromsoftware

>>718945353
Games that do difficulties properly are exceedingly rare sadly.

>>718943298
>play game
>struggle with a boss
>ask if this boss is really that hard or it's just skill issue
>lmao m8 this boss is ez
>waste 2h and beat him
>post how it took me total 3h to beat this nigga on very hard and I need to git gud
>lmao @ u m8 not playing on normal
You will have the same experience as me, so we can discuss it at the same level or you will not play the game and pollute the discussion with your worthless opinions.

>>718945440
Absolver and Lies of P are better soulslikes than any fromsoft games

>>718942897 (OP)
Based

>>718945574
lol

>>718942897 (OP)
>Dark Souls gets popular at the peak of gaming appealing to the casual market because it offers an actual challenge
>Organic growth for a decade
>Casualniggers can't contain their locustmind and decide to invade the souls community now that it's popular
>Either you add an easy mode or you're losing sales!
You know what will happen next.

>>718945562
>wasted 2h of his life because some programmer decided to add a hard difficulty
lmao

holy shit did a couple of squizos just played sekiro for the first time or why is the catalogue infested with these threads?

>>718945385
fine, as long as he knows it's fake and he's recognized by society as a loser. :)

>>718942897 (OP)
people will try to deny this but everytime a souls game comes with an unfair boss that gets patched later the "I beat the real game" post are alot.

Soulsfags are one of the worst things that has happened to the hobby, another dreg from the 10's, fuck that decade.

>>718942897 (OP)
>"I want to feel special for beating the game on hard"
By making it so the only option is playing it on hard, meaning everyone who beats it beats it on hard?
Scrubhumans are subhumans.

>>718945869
Average Soultard Sunday

>>718946021
The "I beat the real game" and "You didn't beat the game" faggotry started with Elden Ring with retards claiming using the games establish mechanics was cheating or easy mode.
Then they moved on to use this line of thinking with Armored Core before they patched like 2 bosses to have less than pinpoint accuracy on their missile spam.
You should always point and laugh at the people wanting an easy mode. Especially at those who proudly claim they cheated to beat a game.

>>718946246
>started with Elden Ring
"If you summoned you didn't beat the game" was already a strong meme by the time Dark Souls II came out.

>>718943298
Having one difficulty mode doesn't cost them sales. Normalfags see a game with high review scores and buy it, play it for 10 minutes, say "this is too hard" and go back to watching Netflix and not caring because the game only cost them $70 and the take-out dinner they're eating that night cost them $110.

>Demon's souls comes out.
>Community offering helpful tips, encouraging multiple tools like bows as a side arm, poison arrows, getting the drop on enemies etc.
>"Prepare to die" is a common saying just to let new players know they may die a lot and it's totally normal unlike casual games of the time.
>Dark souls comes out on xbox and PC
>"HOLY SHIT SO THIS IS THE HARDCORE GAME FOR HARDCORE GAMERS LIKE ME PREPARE TO DIE FUCK YEAR"
>Game becomes known for its difficulty above all else.
>Naturally, this means there will be people who refuse to admit it's hard, especially after they beat the game 22 consecutive times and no longer remember their first struggles.
>"Game is easy casualized garbage."
>Dark souls 2...
it just gets worse from there.

>>718946459
Yeah. And everyone laughed those faggots out of the threads. Then Elden Ring happened and everyone let those retards continue to speak.

>>718946782
>>Game becomes known for its difficulty above all else.
Exclusively for people having grown up with the 7th generation of consoles where every game was ridiculously easy to a point that the most hated group of people on /v/ at the time was 'casuals'.
Some reviewers at the time rightfully said that it felt like FROM had been living in isolation from the rest of the gaming industry while making Demon's Souls and Dark Souls because so much of what made it stand out were direct carryovers from conventions of earlier years including the choice of difficulty level. You could just make a hard game during 6th gen and it wouldn't stand out because so many other games were hard.

>>718943163
>crafting one experience good
>crafting multiple experiences means you suck at your job

Yes, everything needs to be for everyone
Everything must be slop for the masses
Surely if we appeal to the widest audience, they will buy our product
Fuck our existing audience, they will come from their NERD CAVES to buy our slop, we must appeal to the masses so we can have all the money!
What do you mean the studio is closing down?
The bigots ruined everything!

What's wrong with wanting to feel special for beating a hard game? Lately it seems like it's hip and cool to hate soulfriends and that it's okay to bully us but we're not doing anything wrong. Quit it.

>>718943163
Nah, you've just never played games where each difficulty level is well adjusted and designed. In games like Doom and Metal Gear Solid each difficulty level feels like an intended way to play even if the difficulty varies.

>>718942897 (OP)
Souls-like aren't hard though

>>718948154
Oh yeah? Prove that you have beaten every souls game (without any crutches) right now if they're so easy.

>>718947649
Nobody does that. ever.
They craft the experience for their "intended difficulty" and you fucking know it.
anything easier isn't crafted at all.
its about stripping away layers of the experience for retards to wander through while skimming because they are too stupid to pick up on anything deeper, anyways.

>>718944561
I´m still buthurt because te endding on nier automata that requires bullethell, but never woul cry for them to loweer it´s dficulty.

>>718948016
anon is cute
CUTE!

>>718942897 (OP)
Dark Souls has a difficulty system. Want the game to be easier? Kindle bonfires and summon other players. What the game to be challenging? Don't do that stuff.

>>718948594
How does an easy mode existing ruin the game? YOU don't have to play on easy mode. It's an option, just like having a hard mode in a game where normal is the intended difficulty.

>>718948016
>What's wrong with wanting to feel special for beating a hard game?
That is not compatibl with the "Everyone gets a participation trophy" mentality

>>718948641
This. Dark Souls is as hard or easy as you make it. Don't use any potions, armor, or weapons, and never roll. Now you have a hard mode.

>>718948675
see >>718948364
try to get someone smart to read it slowly to you.

>>718945938
>he lives his life so that society can approve of it
talking about being a loser lmao

>>718948762
but anon!
how dare you expect ANYONE to control their own difficulty!
they HAVE to use the easiest and cheesiest route grok tells them about!

>>718948675
You don't get to play if you don't want to play the game. Someone who beat it on easy and someone who beat it on hard did not play the same game and cannot discuss it. It fractures the community intrinsically.

>>718948675
>How does an easy mode existing ruin the game?
Because now they have to tune the ame or seeral difficulty modes?

>>718948772
The "crafted experience" is normal mode. Then you put damage modifiers to create easy and hard modes. You put a note that normal mode is the way the game was intended to be played and you're a faggot if you pick anything else and done. Everybody wins, everybody's happy. Sales go through the roof.

>>718948871
>>718948885
I always play on the hardest difficult and I hate souls games because I'm relegated to the same difficulty as all the plebs. Where the fuck is hard mode?
I'M BORN HARD DAMMIT!

>>718942897 (OP)
Souls game already offer two easy modes: Summons and Magic.

>>718948923
no, the crafted experience is whatever mode they choose.
not every dev picks "normal"
also congrats on picking the most RETARDED and brainless method of difficulty alteration.
all the mechanics crafted around the normal difficulty now become pointless or bullshit depending on what difficulty you play on.

>>718949061
>also congrats on picking the most RETARDED and brainless method of difficulty alteration
It's easy, requires no dev time or skill, and will triple your sales guaranteed. Why would you not do it?

>>718943298
Don't talk sense here, these are purist autists who want to gatekeep their hobby to feel special

>>718948993
see >>718948857
NOBODY can be expected to control what buttons they press, anon.
its impossible.

>>718948989
Then play the souls game with a retarded challenge run like I do. You can shackle yourself if you want.

>>718949113
>will triple your sales guaranteed
oh you are a games journalist.
sorry I didn't realize I was talking to a subhuman.
let me explain in a way you will understand:
"You're fired and your company is being sold off"

>>718949176
NO THE GAME HAS TO LIMIT ME BECAUSE I HAVE NO SELF CONTROL!!!!

>>718949117
Every hobby should be gatekept, nobody likes being the lowest common denominator. You only serve capitalist interests.

>>718949117
its called a "market audience" or a "loyal fanbase"

>>718949235
The game hardly ever limits players on difficulty, with very few exceptions. One shitty playstyle is basically always possible, just progressively harder.

>>718942897 (OP)
I have a large backlog of games, I take my time finishing games. I want my experience to be the same as the experience of the people had that played the game at launch, I don't don't want the game to be nerfed before I get to it.
If developers regret their design decisions later on, make a completely new game with those regrets in mind instead of changing the already launched game.

Dark Souls is so hardcore. I love how difficult it is. Fuck the haters.

>>718948675
Someone else will have an easier time. I can't handle that. I need to be the top dog. I need people to respect me!

>>718949113
>will triple your sales

damn nigga u dum

>>718946782
>Naturally, this means there will be people who refuse to admit it's hard, especially after they beat the game 22 consecutive times and no longer remember their first struggles.
and this cancer spreaded to the industry in general and any soulslike out there

>>718949308
thats the joke he is talking about, anon.
some people are just fucking meta slaves and dont get it.
consider them a strange counterpart to the "we need an easy mode" faggots.

>>718942897 (OP)
>Not playing on easy is hard mode
No, it's the normal mode, it's the intended experience.

>>718948675
>How do design decisions for a game impact the game

>>718942897 (OP)
There are different ways to design difficulty, but in Fromsoft's case the point is to give everyone the same experience. Everyone goes through the same content. What changes the difficulty is how you choose to approach that content. You can do a solo melee level 1 build or you can do a co-op maxed out magic build.
An easy mode would fuck up how matchmaking works in the Souls games anyways, and no one would want to engage in jolly cooperation if the enemies were made of paper.
In Sekiro's case you genuinely just need to git gud, it's an uncompromised pure experience.

>>718949409
first one I get.
second one is you being smart enough to predict him and lead the target.
you are being rewarded for taking a second to think and adapt, and spitting on that reward.

>>718949409
>self-reporting
Dark Souls isn't hard, never has been. It simply is not easy (though you can make it so by overleving as much as you want to).

>>718949548
Video games should not be designed for retards and 10 year olds, they should be designed for ME, the 40 year old virgin, and ME ALONE!

>>718949421
So that´s why normies want easy mode? So they can say "I beat the game" too?

>>718949665
Yeah as it turns out, people do want to be able to beat the game they bought with their money. Fascinating.

>>718949634
Yeah, correct. There should be video games that exist that award a higher degree of mastery than fucking Ubisoft games.
>but it's pointless
Everything is pointless, I like my hobby and I like system puzzles more complex than a two block rubiks cube.

>>718944579
>sarah anderson
post it

>>718949717
Why? You bought it to get the experience. What's the point in getting a lesser experience? Just watch it on youtube, you shitter.

>>718949717
You have plenty of ways to beat the game. Namely magic and co-op.

>>718942897 (OP)
>final panel is a non-sequitur

>>718942897 (OP)
I hate this normalfag meme template

>>718949862
Certainly. But is it fun? It's not fun if it's frustrating.

Elden Ring selling 30,000,000 shows that worries about difficulty don’t have any ground especially if you just have half of your weapons be very very powerful and then throw in spirit summons on top of that if you want. Elden Ring and souls didn’t invent this type of difficulty at all but you’ll notice how prevalent it is throughout modern gaming.

>>718949665
At some point easy mode became a mode that's do brainless it takes no effort to beat. It should be called story mode or auto mode actually. Back in the day easy mode was more akin to training wheels.

>>718949925
Then don't play it.

The creator of the best platformer of the last 15 years has already spoken on the matter

Art should not be made for the blind.
Music should not be made for the deaf.
Games should not be made for the journos.

>>718944214
They should do this but have it filled with misinformation so the people who actually watch movies can tell who's full of bullshit.

>>718950028
>immediately tries to set life to easy mode

Games should have 1 difficulty and every NG+ should have different enemy placements with modifiers on certain enemies to make the experience more challenging. Nioh 1 and 2 does this.

>>718949925
...huh? The game gives you methods to win even at a low skill level. What do you mean "is it fun"? Why are you playing these types of games if you don't want to engage with them?

>>718942897 (OP)
no game dev will make a game that is too try hard
how the fuck are they gonna sell if everyone cant beat the game?

>>718949634
10 year olds can complete these games, retard.
the only one being excluded is you, and you wouldn't even buy it unless it was slop that turned off the core market.

>>718944331
They don't yet but they probably will in the future given how much of that slop content is on YouTube.

>>718950304
>10 year olds can complete these games, retard.
Yes, and that is a problem. Dark Souls should require an IQ of at least 140 to complete. I, the enlightened 40 year old virgin, should be the sole audience!

>>718949930
Elden Ring has an in-game difficulty system in the form of leveling, summons, builds and even calling other players for help. You can always choose to make the game easier or harder depending on how you approach the game.

>>718950387
that aint you though.
you are the 40 year old mario kart remake NEW switch 2 port re-release buyer.

>>718950387
You know insincerity is a sign of a LACK of intelligence, right?

>>718942897 (OP)
modern souls-like games are already on easy mode
you casual faggots already fucked the genre

>>718945574
>not-a-soulslike MMA adventure and chinknocchio are better than fromsoft
fucking tasteless retard

>>718950530
>chinknocchio
Gooknochio*

>>718950505
The bosses in Elden Ring are way harder than those in Demon's Souls.

>>718942897 (OP)
There's literally nothing wrong with a game not being beatable by every player

>>718951726
b-but the sales?!!?!

>>718942897 (OP)
>>718943298
not every game has to be made specifically for you, sweaty

>>718951726
Yes there is, if players buy the game with content they will never see then that means we can make a shorter game to increase revenue.

DS1 was hard because the layouts of some levels were confusing, and the level up system was unusual.
The combat is part of it but it's nothing compared to Elden Ring.

Just level up more and upgrade your weapon. Congrats you lowered the difficulty.