Thread 718950160

Doesn't soften in motion anymore. Minimal artifacting. Backported to the last 4 gens. Real rendered frames, so decreases input lag as well.

What's the counterargument at this point?

>>718950160 (OP)
im not trans tho

>running games at 720p and then stretching that shit to "4K"
>2005+20
Kys.

That it makes game devs think they don't need to optimize their games.

>>718950328
T. Poorfag with a 1050ti

>>718950426
Nobody was optimizing shit outside of rare instances like Decima, Fox, and id Tech, and none of those are available to the public in any reasonable form.

>>718950328
You either dont have a DLSS4 capable graphics card or dont play in 4k. You can force games to use DLSS4 using the nvidia app or DLSS swapper and you wouldnt be able to tell the different 99.99% of the time in gameplay. So long as youre running DLSS4 youll be fine. Its 3 and earlier that are shit. Its one and only flaw is transparent effects such as holograms or grille type materials like chainlink fences or walkways in factories.

>>718950160 (OP)
I dunno what any of that means. I just use whatever the settings the game picked for me.

>>718950160 (OP)
DLSS upscaling is insanely good.
It's not perfect, of course, but it's 90% of the way there for the performance you get.
Frame gen is shit, however.

>>718950160 (OP)
>upgraded recently to a GPU capable of DLSS
DLSS is magic. Literally free performance.

>>718952771
Frame gen is great as long as the base frame rate is 60

>>718952771
>>718953243
Yeah I've used x2 in a few games and honestly its hard to notice the difference if your base is 60+. I imagine with a 5000 series the x4 is way more noticeable if you aren't on a 5090

>>718953243
Most people who complain about FG are browns who struggle hitting 30 fps at 720p. I imagine the input lag is bad then, but it's not what the technology should be used for.

>>718950160 (OP)
nV holding the whole industry hostage.
It also means devs will make even worse games, I know it's hard to believe.
Cool tech otherwise.

>>718950160 (OP)
>Doesn't soften in motion anymore.
It does
>Minimal artifacting.
lol, lmao
>Backported to the last 4 gens.
Not true
>Real rendered frames
lol no
>decreases input lag
kek

>>718950160 (OP)
>Real rendered frames, so decreases input lag as well
Only if you're gpu limited. If you're cpu limited it increases latency, since there is an inherent latency cost to using dlss, so if you dont have a framerate increase it will increase latency

>>718950426
Almost no devs ever optimized their games. You just got spoiled by the 8th gen consoles that had awful cpus so any piece of shit computer could run their ports well

>>718950160 (OP)
>What's the counterargument at this point?
what you've said isnt true

>>718954284
i like how u just gave up on the last one

>>718954284
>Real rendered frames
>lol no
If something is "fake" it's the resolution. But the frames are real.

>DLSS Transformer model.... check
>Full Ray Tracing................... check
>Max Motion Blur................... check
>ULTRA performance mode... check
>Frame Generation................ check

Oh yea, it's gaming time!

>>718956303
tards on /v/ can't tell the difference between upscaling and framegen, what do you expect?

>>718956303
How can frames be real if even our eyes aren't real.

Do you think that in 30 years indie devs will mimic DLSS artifacting and blur like they do with PS1 era graphics today?

>>718956814
DLSS' flaws were solved in just a few years. PS1 artifacting defined a generation. They arent the same.

>>718956814
Why would you mimic something when you can just literally use DLSS

>>718957436
>why would you make fake ps1 graphics just make a ps1 game

>>718957572
cause no one is buying a PS1 game

>>718950160 (OP)
There’s nothing wrong with DLSS, just frame gen.

>>718950160 (OP)
Yea lets just have a future were games become dependent on a piece of proprietary software from arguably the scummiest tech company in existence in order to run at an acceptable level of performance.

It is a technology that has enabled literal third world country "developers" to enter the AAA industry and is actively contributing to the downfall of video games as an art form.

>>718958352
>dependent
Name a single game that doesn't run without DLSS enabled

>>718958352
>It is a technology that has enabled literal third world country "developers" to enter the AAA industry and is actively contributing to the downfall of video games as an art form.
It was first adopted by the most graphically and technologically complex games made by the biggest western and eastern studios.
Nice buzzword soup though.

>>718959159
>at an acceptable level of performance
Reading comprehension anon, or do you need a transformer model for that too?

>>718959313
Thinking western studio means made by people from the west. lol, lmao

>>718958352
No game require DLSS. XESS and FSR offer the same performance gains (and so does just lowering the resolution)

>>718950160 (OP)
>What's the counterargument at this point?
It's a completely pointless technology, because the only thing it will achieve would be jeet codemonkeys optimizing their shit even less, and game performance will remain minimally viable.

There is no counterpoint. If you are white, you use DLSS or DLAA.
If you are brown you do not.
Simple as.

>>718959827
By this logic, every single performance optimization is pointless because it just means devs will misuse it, so it's not worth doing.

>>718959827
It's not pointless because TAA in many games is much worse. Thanks Epig!

>>718960000
Checked.

>>718959719
Wuchang: Fallen Feathers
you can not run this game at native res, or any arbitrary res for that matter. It hard locks you into using 'Quality' upscaling even when the render scale is set to 100% native.

If you think this won't become the standard for games very soon you are a fool.

>>718960157
Wuchang runs on AMD GPUs so it literally can not require DLSS.

>>718959901
How about the deliver some quality without compromise for a change.
>this does x better and increases your fps
>but it has ghosting
>but it increases latency
>but the lighting is noisy and flickery and halves your FPS

>>718960336
Sounds like a (You) problem.
If you want to play games at 4k without buying a 5090 this will do it, and it will look better than playing the game at 1080p with normal upscaling

>>718960278
>No game require DLSS. XESS and FSR

I say again Wuchang: Fallen Feathers requires the use of an upscaling technology in order to run. This game can not be run at native res regardless of what that native res might be.

>>718960543
>Fake having a 4k screen
>Play at performance mode (aka 1080p rendering)
Easy

>>718960543
>Set 100% resolution scaling
>Game uses 67% scaling anyway
I love chinks!

>>718950328
>them compressing back down to 720p to stream on an 8” screen
Truly the future

>>718960627
Future anons need to create a custom EDID to play latest video game at monitors native resolution. Grim.

>>718960908
nVidia control panel lets you do it out of the box

>>718960543
Okay, and how does it require DLSS when it runs on hardware that doesn't support DLSS? I don't think you understand what "dependent" means.

>>718950320
kek

>>718959943
If you play witcher 3 at 4k with DLSS quality you get legit texture noise and shimmering as the textures are made for a much more aggressively blurring worse performing TAA.

>>718961213
okay but is this DLSS4 or an earlier gen of DLSS? DLSS4 specifically is fucking black magic. Earlier gens are not that good and the complaints are legitimate.

>>718961038
Where in the post does it say it requires DLSS? Your vision gotten blurry from to much upscaling use?

>>718950160 (OP)
Ghosting out the ass that's way worse than CNN

>>718959901
>picrel
Using still images to compare temporal upscalers is pointless

>>718961213
It had texture shimmering even without DLSS, but fuck TAA in that game.
Maybe you can fix some of it with inspector, but I never was bothered by aliasing.

>>718960000
Correct, because I don't use FSR2.