Thread 718957807

When can the Wii, PS3, Xbox 360, the PSP and the Nintendo DS (not including 3DS obviously) be added to the "retro" community?
>No!
Why? What valid reason do you have for why these now 19 and 20 year old consoles can't be considered retro?

People don't consider them retro because franchises like Call of Duty haven't meaningfully changed since the 360 era. If they were still releasing a new GoldenEye game every year I wouldn't consider it retro either, but we've clearly moved past that era of shooter, it's "past era", aka retro

Anything with a digital store should be the cutoff for retro.

>>718957958
So games haven't changed since N64 cause Mario didnt meaningfully change

>>718958215
I don't really consider Mario Sunshine retro no, Mario 64 is clearly an early 3D game with an unique look and feel since it was specifically designed for the N64 controller

>>718957807 (OP)
feels like we need a new term because there is still a divide between the traditional retro and the new "retro" you guys want to group with it.

Hell I would put the cutoff at the time of the Playstation.
post PlayStation we were all using discs instead of weird cartridges.
Call it "disk-retro" or some shit idk.
it became the era of console dynasties, the time when physical games were still a thing.
put the cut off at... well the 360 was the last xbox product of that era... would it be the ps3 or the ps4 that was sony's equivalent?
nintendo Wii or Wii u might be the last of nintendo's.

>>718958029
The original DS didn't have a digital store

>>718958362
I feel like traditional retro is characterized by the pre-3D consoles.

the playstation and nintendo 64 were the turning point into the new era of 3D.

>>718958029
there is a good argument for that.
puts xbox and ps2 in retro territory but 360 and ps3 into non-retro.

I like that argument a lot.
clearly divides platforms against the development of selling people DLC slop

>>718957958
Helldivers II, Splatoon, Grounded, Fortnite, and games like this are much more era defining for this generation. Sure COD is still popular and hasn't developed much at all since Modern Warfare, but neither has Madden or NBA 2K. I'd say if we REALLY want some kind of marker, I'd say Fortnite and Rocket League are the farthest markers back to use for now.
>>718958215
I was just about to mention Mario before you posted this.

>>718958527
nta, but that isn't bad.
I stopped after the GBA SP, but the DS was a definite turning point.
I miss the full backwards compatibility of the SP though.
that was the true peak of nintendo handhelds for me.

>>718957807 (OP)
I've had this image as my phone's background for almost a decade now. It's just so perfect

>>718957807 (OP)
reminder: retro does not mean old. retro means a new thing in the style of an old thing.
the only "retro" systems are those shitty plug-in atari emulators or mame cabs.
otherwise, a retro game is anything that has a 2D/spritelike (or arguably lowpoly) presentation but was made using current technology and processes. games have to reach a new paradigm in graphics before anything from the highpoly era will be seen differently enough to be considered a distinct aesthetic rather than just being modern but shittier.

>>718957807 (OP)
>Why?
Because /vr/ already felt old seeing PS2, GameCube and Xbox finally crack retro. Seeing these accepted would through them into midlife crisis mode if they haven't already gone through it.

>>718959701
By the way, I do consider gen 7 retro. Its been retro for years now.