Thread 718967321

Why are you guys like this?

class consciousness is too hard. blame minorities instead.

I think people just use "the devs" as a catchall term for everyone involved in making the games. however most of the time when you see studios lay people off, it's mostly the actual devs who did the day to day work while the people who actually made the bad decisions remain or get another cushy job elsewhere. so dunking on some guy who did 3D modeling or programming getting fired is just retarded

its everyone's fault.

>>718967321 (OP)
>the devs never are to blame, they're the victims
Most devs are hacks that don't know shit and just copy what a youtube tutorial told them, or worse, they copy what they learned in college

>>718967321 (OP)
Calling them "developers" is often generous. They are "game content creators". Barely know how a computer, let alone a graphics card works and thus they have no idea why the shit they put in the game performs like absolute ass.

>>718967321 (OP)
so all those people are making the devs openly talk about how much they hate the fans of the game and laughing in their face that they "lost what they never had"

>>718967651
/v/ doesn't like this line of critique because it's a bit too "heady" for them, but I think education is the biggest culprit (after capitalists) as for why games are so unoptimized. Colleges should not be for profit petiod, and the do not go deep enough for what modern programmers need to be able to do!

>>718967719
less than 0.1% of game devs are trolling us on twitter! they must collectively pay for this!

it's the devs fault for allowing the non-viable hierarchy to exist in the first place considering they found the companies.

>>718967321 (OP)
I have yet to see anyone blame devs.

>>718967321 (OP)
Devs is used as a generic word. When someone is saying it, it's probably refering to any/all of the stakeholders, not to only to the devs.

>>718967321 (OP)
Make a good game and you wont get shit on retard. How are you failing to understand this?

>>718967321 (OP)
People blame the publishers and the CEOs all the time. Are you stupid?
They blame the devs too because the devs come out and say stupid shit about how much they hate players all the time. They're all to blame.
Unsurprisingly, shitty publishers hire shitty developers.

>devs are just helpless victims
fuck off there are numerous circumstances where its purely the devs inserting the fucking garbage of their own volition
The entirety of Hyenas before it was shitcanned was just CA and nobody else

>>718967525
After Bobby Kotick successfully tanked and walked away from every scandal thrown at him during the Shadowlands days, I no longer believe any CEO will ever face consequences.

>>718967839
Leftists constantly make that same argument when screeching about the police... One bad apple spoiling the bunch and all that shit.

Fuck em.

>>718968448
I do not think that is a sensible comparison to make considering game devs don't have the monopoly of violence

>>718967321 (OP)
It is my fault actually. I control all of those people and i am making games bad as a joke to make everybody angry.

>>718968807
If you count suicides, game devs kill way more people than the police.

>>718968917
Source?

>>718969009
It came to me in a dream.

>>718968448
It depends. Now you have HR purposely deleting people with passion, and just follow their damn checkboxes.

Many places now are infected with leftists, women, minorities, trannies, all the people that couldn't care less about videogames statistically.

>>718967839
>0.1% of game devs
if a game has so many developers working on it that 2-3 people on twitter shit talking about gamers are only 0.1% of the total number of devs it means that means they have 2k devs working on a game, which is LITERALLY part of the problem. that is WAY too many fucking people working on a game. There is no artistic cohesion, the communcation would be so fucking archaic and non fuctioning. None of the aspects of the game would have ANY synergy with any other aspects. and we see this in big bloated AAA slop.

>>718967321 (OP)
Because that one shitty gameplay feature I'm complaining about had nothing to do with the shareholders or the PR team, faggot.

>>718967321 (OP)
I'm not, every time i talk about this subject i do point out that games are being made to please shareholders, and they look like pic related.

However there are cases where devs are faggots too, but it's probably because the shareholders demanded to hire em.

reminder

>>718969401
public companies shouldn't even exist.

>>718967321 (OP)
in real life the devs make the game so they get the hate, there's no reason they shouldn't be making better games. Even if their boss says that the game needs to be a certain way or have a pivotal feature, it's on the devs to make it work. If the game sucks it's their fault.

>>718967321 (OP)
>the protagonist character is a one to one of some troon on the dev team and mimics their exact bullshit politics
>nooo you don’t get it it’s the fault of the ceo

>>718967321 (OP)
Who has creative control

>>718967321 (OP)
>semantics
Kill yourself

>>718967321 (OP)
It's become very trendy to shift blame up the social hierarchy.
>it's not the worker's fault, blame lies with their manager
>it wasn't the line managers fault, blame lies with senior management
>don't blame the management team, blame the execs
>don't blame individual execs, blame the CEO
It's a tempting line of thinking but it's misguided. Individuals are responsible for the decisions they make, including the decision to do what they're told.
Every bad video game you've ever played exists because an engineer compiled and packaged it and sent it off to be shipped.
Those shitty animations are the result of an artist running out of time but still choosing to send over the shitty unfinished version.
You're hearing that bad voice acting because someone in the audio team knew that it was bad but delivered it anyway.

In the most serious real life situations (think war crimes), we don't accept this line of thinking and we instead do (in theory) try to hold individuals responsible for their actual actions. "I was following orders" is actually specifically excluded as an acceptable excuse.
I'm not saying we should treat video game character animators like soldiers, but the fact that this blame-shifting breaks down in extreme situations is a clue that it's fundamentally just a reassuring lie we tell ourselves to try to absolve ourselves (and people we like) from responsibility.

So yes, I do blame the devs when a game is bad. The devs made it, not the CEO.

>>718969401
>This is real
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/stock/meeting/140627qa/02.html
I wish I could have seen Kimishima when he was responding to this