Thread 718986934

He damned his verse's humanity.
He is Anakin levels of retard trying to use chaos to fight chaos.

I dont know anything about the 40k lore, I just look at the cool pictures and make up a story in my head like I do with berserk

>>718986934 (OP)
>is he ever coming back?
never.
even less now that the grey knights are gonna keep him on the golden throne by force if necessary.

>>718987640
that's honestly a great way to go about it, the new lore has been mostly absolute garbage and the writers keep dragging the setting down with their retardeness so the less you know about it, the more you can enjoy it.

I just want lion and gingerman to meet up already. It's been so fucking long since the lion came back

>>718987772
Is it really that bad? What's the new lore like?

>>718987641
>now that the grey knights are gonna keep him on the golden throne by force if necessary.

>kaldor draigo
>nun blood to fight the god that likes blood
>terminus decree
is it just me or is g.knights lore literally the dumbest?

>>718987641
He's literally gonna feast on grey knights it's obvious

>>718987641
>>718988263
woops, i meant to ask why do the grey knights wanna keep him on the throne?

>>718986934 (OP)
>is he ever coming back
No, I could go on with lore reasons but the simpler answer is that GW likes squeezing every dime from its customers so gotta keep basically everything the same for all of eternity or until they go out of business.

>>718988462
That's what the Terminus Decree is supposed to be now.

>>718988462
The terminal fuckree. It says that if the plot ever attempts to move forward the status quo must be maintained at any cost

>>718988462
Pretty much what >>718988621 says although according to their explanation they're terrified of the emprah coming back and turning into another chaos god or some shit

>>718986934 (OP)
Guaranteed. He's the ace in the hole to spike the stock price. Sooner or later he's getting a playable mini.

>>718986934 (OP)
Is he okay?

>>718988103
They moved the story forward, which is antithetical to one of the core narrative themes.
The setting has (for a long long time) been locked in a "5 min to midnight" position. In-game this date is 998.M41 (the year 41,998). This stagnancy is core to Warhammer 40k, the idea that humanity is locked in an endless struggle with no hope for advancement nor resolution.
Games Workshop (owners of the IP) went through some leadership changes around the launch of 8th edition, and decided to jump the story forward some 200 years, and then work their way backwards, filling in the gaps in subsequent releases (books, narrative missions etc). These changes were mostly met with scorn by the old guard of warhammer, as it was felt they were Marvel-esque in execution and content. Suddenly there was rampart technological advancement, whole aspects of in-game law was changed, literally who characters popped up out of the woodwork, a lot of "just as planned" ass-pulls in stories. One of the most egregious changes to many was the introduction of Primaris Space Marines.
>Space Marines were created some 10,000 years ago by the Emperor as his galaxy-spanning conquering armies.
>Once the Emperor was confined to the Throne (effectively dead) the knowledge of genetics, mutations, organ creation, and other scifi nonsense was essentially lost with him, so whilst new marines could still be created there was no way they could be replicated or improved upon.
>This has been the rule for 10,000 years (and 30 years of IRL).
>8th Ed rolls around. There's this guy no-one has ever heard of who buried himself under the Earth. He's been there 10,000 years and actually he's made an improved Space Marine called a Primaris and he's got 10s of thousands of them and it's not really a replacement strategy to get you to buy new models as we slowly erode your old armies and model kits we promise.

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>>718989172
i thought the primaris were made by belisarius cawl, i would hardly call him a "literal who"

>>718986934 (OP)
Not without SERIOUS consequences no.
He serves as a universal lighthouse making ftl travel possible and he's also sitting on a giant plug thats preventing the literal gates of hell from opening underneath the Imperium of Man's throneworld.

>>718986934 (OP)
No. That would be the end of the setting and people will start flocking to Trench Crusade or Fortnite.

>>718988351
It's really not that much worse than the nu-custodes lore.

>>718987641
Grey Knights thing is so stupid when you remember how stacked Terra would be against them. Imagine Delta Force having orders to kill the a chairbound US President in case he gets up, but first they'd have to go through the police, the regular military, the air force, the secret service, other special force teams... just to get to his office but he's also a super powerful wizard now.

>>718989579
He's the definition of a literal who. An asspull of a character born out of nowhere, never before mentioned in any existing fluff, who is magically smarter than the Emperor and can outdo his greatest creations.

>>718986934 (OP)
When GW is in financially crisis, or when 40k loses the steam so they need to kill the thing off so some other garbage can take off, most definitely.

>>718987640
based.. and unfortunately a dying art. i swear more and more neurologically deficient specimens that either actively reject the power of their own imagination or are genuinely incapable of using it are becoming more and more common.
never stop doing the imaginary equivalent of smashing action figures together.

>>718989827
also the secret service has members that can paralyze you by proxy

>>718989805
>>718988351
Valdor is dumber than anything GK ever did.

>>718986934 (OP)
Not until every single Primarch does, whether Loyalist or Traitor.

On a sidenote, reminder that it was once mentioned that one of the returning Loyalist Primarchs would turn traitor, while one of the Traitor Primarchs would become a Loyalist.

Any guesses?

>>718990504
Alpharius and omegon will switch sides

>>718989957
>smarter

Except he is never shown or stated to be. It took him 10,000 years to tweak an existing design, and that was with Robert Gorillaman giving him the space marines for dummies book. It's not like he made the primaris from scratch with zero outside input.

>>718990504
Clonegrim or Mortarion would be the obvious choices for the traitor side. All the Fulgrim clones have lacked the originals assholishness, and Mortarion was kind of tricked into turning.

>>718990651
Like the other guy said, the whole concept is an asspull and they worked backwards in an attempt to justify it.

>>718987641
I don't know if the GK can manage to fight the custodes.

>>718990715
>Clonegrim
The author responsible for him left GW on bad terms, he ain't coming back.
>Mortarion
He'll turn good, job to Typhus immediately and die for real.

>>718986934 (OP)
YOU KEEP THAT GOLDEN ASS PLANTED

>>718986934 (OP)
>it's year 50k
>Emperor is now a Shota
full circle

>>718989827
>>718990085
>jobbed so badly to the space wolves their chapter master got killed
>their plan to stop Angron from returning from the warp failed even after planning it for 600 years
>we are led to believe these jobbers are now entrusted with going throught all of Terra's defenses by themselves, the sisters of silence (grey cucks are all physkers), the custodes and whatever else lies on the golden throne, in order to stop the emperor from returning, when so far they can't do anything right but now must do what's arguably the hardest task anyone could be put in charge of in the entire setting, all by themselves, without any external support whasoever.
who the fuck writes this shit?!?!

>>718990760
If chaos can have Fabulous Bill, then the loyalists can have the primaris dispenser.

>>718990835
>who the fuck writes this shit?!?!
The "I know a guy" guys.

>>718990504
Corax turns traitor.
Traitor turning loyal will be Curze and I'm not even joking or meming. It would be very easy to pull off.
But, if not him, it can easily be clonegrim, Magnus (all shards reformed) or the third Alpha legion brother (the only one left alive). I would say Perty, if he wasn't a daemon prince. Even Angron has some small wriggle room for it.

>>718990937
It will never be Powerturbo because he is even more pathologically incapable of admitting to wrongdoing than Magnus.

>>718990937
>spoiler
is he like, fucking dead?

>>718989827
They are all pretty potent psykers, perhaps the emperor gave them this order so that he has a whole chapter of massively powerful psykers coming directly to Terra to feed on for his breakfast.

>>718990994
Very, let himself get killed by a Callidus assassin to prove a point.

>>718990636
Switch sides to whom?

>>718990636
kek

>>718991015
That'd require them to pass through Terra's orbital defences first and they couldn't do that against a bunch of drunk furries.

magnus did nothing wrong

>>718991105
Oh wow, they lost against the writer's favorite chapter that have even better plot armor despite it being less justified.

>>718991024
>>718990994
Here's how you do it.
Keep in mind that his entire character is predicated on his foresight. He's literally foreseen his death, at the hands of that assassin, for his entire life. If you look at his conversations in general, but especially with Sanguinius, all he talks about how everything is pointless and evil and retarded because he can see all this terrible shit happening in the future (to himself especially) and there's nothing he can do to stop it. Which is his motivation (or lack of) for everything he does.
You reveal that when the assassin came to kill him, for whatever reason he didn't actually get killed (as he had foreseen his entire life). Having finally experienced the changing of what he thought was an inescapable and unchangeable fate, he feels completely liberated from his bullshit curse of foresight. Finally has hope that he can change the things he sees.
I'm not saying this experience should immediately turn him loyalist, that would be stupid. But I think he sets up to have it look like he was killed by the assassin. When in reality he fucked off to go do something for the past 10,000 years (just write some bullshit similar to how Russ/Dorn/Khan have been for 10,000 years). Over the 10,000 years he's been slowly coming back around to being loyal. Not saying you make him a good boi dindu. He's a horrific and sadistic murderer who has tortured the fuck out of countless people. But it's 40k. The imperium is full of horrific people waving their flag.

>>718991264
let me guess, them fumbling their six century long plan to fuck over Angron was actually part of their plan all along too?

>>718991105
The writing in 40K is that whichever element needs to WILL be strong enough to do whatever the plot requires of them.

>>718986934 (OP)
I can't see why he should come back. That would mean the end of 40K.
There's just no competition and GW recently stirring the pot was just out of boredom and quick cashgrabs.
Star Wars was murdered by hack writers, BattleTech got hella gay out of nowhere, and Starfield is JUST.
The status quo is going to remain.

>>718990835
james workshop
Can't have that "in case of emergency break glass" be an actual item or tool, need it to be a ridiculous plot hook that isn't compelling in the slightest relative to the actual consequences of grandpa getting up off the chair

>>718991364
>I can't see why he should come back
So they could sell models about him at $400 a pop

>>718991340
Rune priests are psykers, you furry viking larper.

>>718986934 (OP)
He'll be back as a Chaos god.

>>718987772
ah let me guess, trans?

BIH E will be come a chaos God of fanaticism or zealotry

>>718991364
>I can't see why he should come back.

If sales ever start flagging and they want to reboot the setting as Age of Starchild.

>>718991024
I still wonder what point he was trying to prove.
>hurr durr I am right and thus let myself be killed my a literal who

>>718991308
>he didn't actually get killed
the ASSsasin literally took his head as a thropy and that enraged the remaining nightlords so badly they teared her apart after they managed to catch her.

>>718991364
I dunno you can't really sit on the status quo forever. It's been like what, 40 years? Everything that's been done and fleshed out has been at this point. I'm not saying how GW went about it was good but they're a business at the end of the day and new things bring in new business, otherwise the alternative is to just invent more factions and retroactively fit them in somehow to sell more figures.

>>718991540
Same as Paul Serene in Quantum Break, he believed that because he could see the future, it was fixed, and that nothing could change it.

>>718991445
>female custodes

>>718991560
Simply a tall tale. Just like Sanguinius creating a weak point in Horus' armour.

>>718991603
I must once again argue that there is nothing wrong with female custodes, in and of themselves. There is a lot wrong with how GW introduced them to the lore.

>>718989172
wait, so it's the Emperor's backstory from Rise of Skywalker?

>>718991602
>I am completely fucking bonkers and I saw myself die so I will do nothing to stop that to prove my point!
Curze proved nothing. He was a fucking schizo and the Night Lords should just change their banner into Shadow the Hedgehog because they aren't any better.
>hurr durr we may be traitors but we aren't corrupted like the rest of them, isn't that right, brother Slaughterius who's currently foaming out of his mouth because he didn't skin any children alive in the last 5 minutes

>>718989827
There is an equal chance that paper is in the box to troll the Grey Knights into killing themselves.

>>718991690
There is, actually. The process for making a Custodes is legitimately insane and only done on like the top 0.0000000000001% of potential candidates. There is no logical reason to EVER begin with a female template, which is physically inferior to a male template. Saying "Oh but they get changed so much that they're unrecognizable by the end" is not an excuse or valid reasoning. Because at that point they could literally make anybody a Custodes (which isn't true) and, even if they could, the process is so limited and of high importance they would never ever use a female.

>>718991445
would we be so lucky if it was something so simple and mundane as that. Both for the fans and company.

>Terminus Decree reveal

Look it's been nearly 10 YEARS since 8th edition and Primaris shat all over everything. That should have been your big sign that the only direction the franchise was going was down but SURELY this shit is enough to cross the line for you, right? You're not STILL going to give GW money, right?

>>718987641
>>718989827
GW (?) has hit levels of "trust the plan" that shouldn't even be possible.

>>718991690
>>718991946
It's crazy how much coomers ruin anything fun just because they want to fuck it. Even old school female fans take issue with the change, but I can't blame the new guard baiting those types of men over. Look at how well they keep gatcha/live services alive and well.

>>718992140
>40K
>Coomers

>>718992235
the entire community is fat fucking nerds, of course they are.

>>718991308
I've always wondered why they never pulled through with the whole "primarchs will return and one loyalist will turn traitor while one traitor will turn loyalist" but I seem to recall that the neckbeards over at /tg/ saw some hints that it was either Curze or Mortarion. I think him and/or Perturabo was even in some rather recent games


If it is Curze, I wonder if they'll actually release a book like with the Lion. Maybe even a vidya imagine a video game where the prologue is basically the Assassin sent to kill him

>>718992065
Who the fuck even buys their shit?
3D printing is so cheap by now you can pirate all of their models if you are into the tabletop aspect.

>>718986934 (OP)
No,why would you want to? He fucked up the Galaxy because of his philosophies

>>718991586
They do chase the Dollar/Euro, and they have already changed the lore throughout the timeline, good and bad, mostly bad.
Personally the franchise can drop dead for all I care. I'll patiently wait for a new IP for my teeth to sink into, even if it will never come.

>>718991364
>I can't see why he should come back. That would mean the end of 40K.
There's lots of ways they could do it without meaningfully pushing the status quo or breaking things.

Retarded examples off the top of my head:
>comes back but is at a fraction of his power and can't do much, just barely strong enough to get a model
>comes back but no one believes it's him, things continue as usual
>comes back but as a Chaos god, things continue as usual
>comes back to do something ultimately inconsequential (save a dude, blow up a dude, whatever), immediately dies again
>comes back but immediately fucks off on a secret mission of little plot relevance, has zero story impact
>he never actually died, was just in hiding and needs to continue to do so for secret reasons

>>718990651
Doesn't the Imperium/Inquisition fuck everyone who dabbles in Chaos stuff? This dude made an AI of himself and other weird shit and nobody seems to care.

>>718991058
Yes

>>718993318
>Doesn't the Imperium/Inquisition fuck everyone who dabbles in Chaos stuff
Arbitrary, selective enforcement depending on their current mood, who they're talking to, and the current day of the week.

>>718986934 (OP)
He will if interests in WH40k ever drop to an all time low

>>718993318
Short answer: No.
Long answer: If you are some random schmuck doing it, then you get the Inquisition burning you down. However, even the Inquisition isn't some monolith, there are different factions and at least one of them actively uses Chaos/ the Warp for their own means. Also, what's the Inquisition going to do when some guy from the Mechanicum or a space marine chapter do a little heresy? They can do nothing unless it's really fucking bad.

>>718993318
>why is this fascist junta corrupt and self-serving?

>>718992129
I didn't read the books but I browse the wiki when I'm bored after playing the games.
I've read about one guy who absorbed a dude's intellect or some shit and inside was a memory of the Emperor talking to the dude who got absorbed but actually talking to the guy who absorbed him in the future.
Another one is the Emperor meeting some other dude he had before who convinces him not to fight Horus at his full power and get wrecked.

>>718993453
so in a year or two then?

A fun question to ask about WH40K characters is "are they retarded or just "fallen to Chaos"?

>>718993724
Tzeentch can make anyone retarded on command so it's tough to say

>>718993758
How comes none of his plans ever really work?

>>718993589
>Space Marine 2 won awards, Space Marine 3 already in development
>Dawn of War 4 announced
>Total War 40k officially leaked
>40k featured alongside D&D, God of War, and From Software in SL
>Henry Cavill personally making a 40k hollywood blockbuster AND amazon series
GW is having a good time right now.

>>718993840
His only power is making people retarded but his followers want it on them anyways
Shenanigans ensue

>>718993876
>Total War 40k officially leaked
where?

>>718991374
Is he related to Board James?

>>718986934 (OP)
Only with a TTS device.

>>718993840
looking how the entire galaxy is fucked up in the 41st millennium, I'd say his plan is working pretty well

>>718993981
The guy is a retard for using the terms "officially leaked". But it is an open secret at this point. It exists and people have play tested it.

>>718994038
>cut the part where the emperor calls guilliman a faggot
GW hitting them with a cease and desist was a blessing in disguise

>>718986934 (OP)
The only way to facilitate his return without destroying all tensiom in the setting and the Imperium as a whole is to turn him into an avatar or deity of Chaos Undivided without any true alignment and the sole purpose of indefinitely perturbing the Warp by all means necessary. GW could continue the Molech deal and explain Lorgar's scripture as consequence of it: the Emperor hasn't struck a deal with the Chaos Gods, the Emperor AND the Chaos Gods have struck a deal with the already transcendent and ascended Emperor in his role as meta-arbiter of the Warp -- a self-fullfilling prophecy. If Slaneesh could retroactively exist in past, present and future upon her birth, so could the Emperor as meta-arbiter upon his apotheosis.

>>718988462
I don't think the WHY was ever specified, but I think the idea is that, if the Emperor got unshackled from the golden throne, he would become the Dark King and literally destroy all of existence

is it a comfy chair, at least?

>>718994918
The Dark King is already confirmed to exist. He already has his own daemons and domain in the warp and everything. Meaning either the Emperor becoming a Chaos god is already set in stone, or (more likely, since GW is lame) somehow someone else will become the Dark King

>>718995165
It's a life support device powered by sacrificing psykers to it. I doubt comfort was the first priority.

>>718987640
>I dont know anything about the 40k lore
I don't either. All I know is that Space Marines are badass and some of them look like space Paladins, giant maces and tomes, which is badass.

>>718987640
I like the ancient egyptian robot skeletons.

>>718995336
>The Dark King is already confirmed to exist.
To be honest I am only skimming nu/lore, and gay nomenclature like 'Dark King' proves me right in doing so.
>He already has his own daemons and domain in the warp and everything.
>Meaning either the Emperor becoming a Chaos god is already set in stone
Fair enough.
>or (more likely, since GW is lame) somehow someone else will become the Dark King
Never overestimate nu/GW -- if they can botch it, they will.

>>718995445
I don't know man, he doesn't really look alive to me.

They should have Arcahon show up and bring the End Times to 40k because that'd be funny

>>718996004
GW proving to everybody they're retarded by canning fantasy because it wasn't profitable, only for a strategy game to come out and prove them wrong is already funny enough

>>718995947
Doesn't look too comfy.

>>718987641
>>718992065
Are Grey Knights cursed to some of the shittiest fluff in the setting?

Universe reset in 5 years where the grimdark is done and all the "problematic" things like imperialism is gone and everyone gets along. mark my words.

>>718995336
I think you are confused. You're talking about the King in Yellow, who is Constantine Valdor.

>>718986934 (OP)
I wish I understood Warhammer 40K lore.

>>718987640
You're better off that way. I liked 40k lore before I actually started looking more into it and realized that, for example, the Emperor is a retard and reddit atheist.

>>718996769
He's not an atheist. He just knows, objectively, that worship empowers some seriously evil shit in the warp and that evil shit wants to come into reality and kill everyone and everything. All his efforts were essentially to cut humanity off from the warp entirely, or to cut the warp off from reality.

What the fuck is a perpetual?

>>718997178
Some bullshit made up to undermine Ollanius Pius' sacrifice

>>718996769
The Emperors reddit ideology was constructed by him as a tool of social engineering intended to reduce human psychic contact with the warp to starve the chaotic thoughtforms that is the chaos "gods". He also wanted to genetically engineer humanity to remove to "psyker gene". The entire setting of Warhammer 40k is a false dialectic. You are meant to realize that neither the suffocating order of the imperium or the chaos is meant to be venerated.

>>718996667
At this point they better off launching a new tabletop game.

>>718996891
If I knew that I'll be forced to "ascend" into a warp deity with a fractured personality, after millenia of pure agony, when people worshipped me, I would be very dismissive of and hostile towards anything to do with worship, too.

>>718996769
>reddit atheist.
Based. Christcucks are gay

>>718996667
>war game where everybody gets along

>>718997178
Highlanders, except there can be more than one and they don't have special powers other than not dying.

>>718993062
Wildcard: Ephrael Stern comes to Terra, merges with Big E and we now have a big titty Sister with a weird manly voice.

>>718997412
No bro, its a story about the imperium vs chaos so just writing out the xenos or making them all just part of the guard or chaos warbands is actually good for the setting bro its totally not to sell more marine models of
Warboss {Primaris}

>>718997412
Look at warcraft where the horde and alliance. I'd believe it.

>>718987640
That's the correct way when it comes to 40k "lore"

>>718996891
>He's not an atheist.
Someone hasn't read the Last Church.

>>718989579
I've never heard of him and I've been around warhammer fluff since 1992. Unless he's a recent addition then I'd have no idea since all the Primaris stuff is completely unknown to me

>>718996891
He definitely could've handled it better than, say, that whole tard rage he had with the catholic, the tard rage at Nikaea, that whole thing with Magnus where he could;ve just told him what was going on underneath the palace and to send him an email or a fax if he ABSOLUTELY has to be contacted.
There's also the whole fedora tipping thing which is fine but again, execution sucked
Some of the things that could've prevented shit relied on him being a sensible, normal human being who communicates via words. And actually being, yknow, a sensible human

Also, what is up with Leagues of Votann? Never heard mention of them before. Another retcon/asspull?

>horus fight was just show
>the real reason big E is like this is because of the golden buttplug which was going to be some warp highway 4D chess before magnus destroyed it by psycho raping terra just to send a fucking email
>seeing as he can resurrect people despite having the throne drain his balls all day, he would heal in like a day if one day he gets up

>>718997892
GW's way of reviving Squats. The Squats previoisly known were scouts and far-flung Kin cut off from the rest of the Leagues, who reside close to the galactic core. Still too new to really be significant. Their single book was by Gav Thorpe, which in itself speaks to how mediocre it was.

Wait a second.
The Greater Good, which is a secular ideology that shuns religion and superstition, has spawned a Warp God.
Vashtorr is a dark demigod of science, empowered by innovation and technological use , especially the immoral and destructive kind.

Doesn't that mean the Imperial Truth was doomed to fail?

>>718986934 (OP)
No, he is warp god at this point, him coming back could only happen through avatar, otherwise he is too OP, maybe if GW gets too desperate.

>>718997995
Yes.
One of the big key points of 40k is that the Emperor was an autist with way too much power and everything he did or was planning to do would fail or blow up inhis face. The current state of the galaxy is 100% the Emperor's fault.

>>718997995
How can the greater good spawn anything in the warp? Taus are like one step above blank.

>>718997412
>actually the Tyranids are the biggest threat
>and the Necrons
There you have it, two enemies everyone else can band together and defeat though the power of friendship. Even Chaos who can be the edgy 'bad guys' with a secret heart of gold.

>>718998139
Read this.

>>718998139
The Tau themselves aren't doing it, their auxilaries (particularly Humans) are.
The Tau are getting cucked out of their own dogma by Humans.

>>718998169
Wrong. The two main writers of 40K and AoS did an interview and said that Chaos is the ultimate threat in all warhammer universes, it's the enemy of everything that lives. The main 40K studio writer said that 40K is and was always the story of the Imperium vs Chaos.
Source is WD 514

>>718989172
The story progressing isn't inherently a problem, it's far more in the way it progressed in a way that is antithetical to the endless decay.
That's what really pisses my off about the Primaris. It's not even the new models or replacement or things being different, it's that they're throwing out decades of real history and 30k years of in-universe history that was all about reclaiming old technology, archeotech, trying to preserve and use old shit.
Instead we have new things that are newer and betterer and replace the entire space marine armory. You have these elements of humanity never having enough to fight back properly, but they're just going to throw away every rhino and predator and set of space marine armor in inventory because now they have something better?
It's absurd and just fucks the setting up fundamentally.

>>718998198
Why didn't Nurgle save his faithful?

>>718997892
Their attempt to make a new faction (technically squats but not really in any meaningful way). Space Dwarves lead by AI in the middle of the universe.
They were comically busted on release, to the point where they wound up banned by a lot of people, meaning nobody bought them, meaning GW hasn't done anything more with them. They finally took their power creep bullshit too far.

>>718998284
> The two main writers of 40K and AoS Who?

Do the C'tan interact with the Warp in any way?

>>718998467
Andy Clark (40K) and Phil Kelly (AoS)

>>718986934 (OP)
The setting has already fallen too far into being about specific characters, emps coming back would totally ruin it, let him point at something every decade or so and leave it at that

>>718998494
They eat souls, which are Warp presences. It gives them massive power boosts.

>>718998567
How does that sit with the chaos gods?

I fucking hate Chaos.

>>718987640
I've stuck to only having a surface level understanding of 40k. All my friends who got deeply invested into the series are miserable. Orks are the only good part of 40k anyway.

>>718998510
>Andy Clark, earliest entry 2015
>Phil Kelly, earliest entry 2013
The setting exists since 1987, and you consider two long-nosed faggots joining in the past decade the main writers? Their involvement in nu/lore, especially AoS, is reason enough to disregard their existence.

>>718998680
It doesn't matter since the C'tan have been defeated and shattered 60 million years ago. They are irrelevant except for being power sources for the Necrons

>>718998432
He needs to get a second jar to stick the Tau goddess in. She'll look very nice on his shelf beside Isha.

>>718997178
Niggas that can keep seemingly dying and regenerating back to life unless there's warp fuckery involved to make sure they're dead.

>>718988462
'cause he is 99% about to turn into a major Chaos God now (one of total obedience and pointless sacrifices - "the dark king" or something like, can't remember the exact name) and the only thing stopping that from actually happening is the thin tether to his vegetable-tier material body.
If he ever die or become conscious again, we get a "Birth of Slaanesh" event, slightly smaller but centered on Terra.
Turn out, sacrificing hundred of psykers' soul to someone was a very, very bad idea long term.

>>718998757
>2013
>Phil Kelly
Phil Kelly was writing books for GW studio since the early 2000s
He worked for GW for more than two decades.
tourist.

>>718988462
If the Emperor gets up, he's not the Emperor any more, and if he's not put back on fast, Chaos auto-wins and the galaxy is fucked forever.

>>718998774
It's weird because they eat souls but in other places it's stated that the warp is anathema to them.
>As the hot-blooded young races nurtured by the Old Ones spread across the Galaxy, their warp-spawned magicks battling the arcane science of the Necrons, the empire of the C'tan was driven back, as the Warp was anathema to them, and the C'tan found themselves driven back by the relentless advance. The C'tan unified for the first time in millions of years with a C'tan known as Mag'ladroth, the Void Dragon developing a plan to seal the Warp from the material universe, using a network of blackstone warp-suppression pylons such as the ones upon Cadia and within the Cerberus Shroud.
Wouldn't necron warp suppression pylons fuck with the C'tan even if they're shards? I guess these things will happen if you retcon the shit out the lore whenever you feel like it.

>>718999103
>>As the hot-blooded young races nurtured by the Old Ones spread across the Galaxy, their warp-spawned magicks battling the arcane science of the Necrons, the empire of the C'tan was driven back, as the Warp was anathema to them, and the C'tan found themselves driven back by the relentless advance. The C'tan unified for the first time in millions of years with a C'tan known as Mag'ladroth, the Void Dragon developing a plan to seal the Warp from the material universe, using a network of blackstone warp-suppression pylons such as the ones upon Cadia and within the Cerberus Shroud.
That's not canon. It wasn't written by GW, but a fan who wrote a scenario for BFG

Some of the C'tan shards worked to create their own Pylon network while other shards are helping mortals break the Necrons' Pylons.

>>718999103
C'tan aren't and have never been Warp creatures. In fact the Old Ones killed one specifically by dumping it into the Realm of Souls, where it was powerless as it was ripped apart.
It should be noted that they only eat 'souls' of those who have undergone Biotransference, seeming to hint that there's more to the process than just turning flesh to Necrodermis.

>>718999249
>In fact the Old Ones killed one specifically by dumping it into the Realm of Souls, where it was powerless as it was ripped apart.
This certainly is fanfiction.
There are a number of C'tan shards that entered the Warp and did fine.

Also, C'tan shards have devoured souls.

>>718986934 (OP)
>is he ever coming back?

>>718987640
Yeah pretty much only DoW 1 was good. Everything else is very "why would any of this happen, this is literally retarded on every front of the conflict"

>>718989579
Cawl is the most Gary Stu shitty character ever shat, they should have used Arkham Land as the secret 10 milenia old mechanicus asspull (also, fuck the primaris)

Nope, still not getting out of me chair.

>>718999249
>>718999235
>The C'tan were also finally able to breach the Old Ones' galactic warp tunnel network thanks to a C'tan known as Nyadra'zatha the Burning One using a series of living stone portals known as Dolmen Gate.
If the warp is dangerous to C'tan why did they do that? Or is this fanfic as well?

>>718999725
The Webway is not Warp. It's more protected than the Warp than Real Space.
If you grabbed that from the wiki you can read the Webway page too.

>>718999323
>The Huffington Post described the sculpture as "terrifying".
What doesn't scare sensitive people nowadays? I swear making someone feel "unsafe" is worse than mass murder.

>>718997270
>some random human defends the emperor from horus, proving humanity's noble spirit and it's aspiring potential
>let's turn him into a super special immortal snowflake
talk about missing the point

>>718999517
And you never will as long as there is still a drop of blood in the sisters' bodies.

>>718999323
>2016 trump was 30k era emperor
>2025 trump is 40k era emperor
it fits

>>718989827
>>718990835
The idea is they are going for is a noble self-sacrifice. And then all their souls get harvested for Magnus' nobility shards so he can be redeemed and the Emperor can get his butt off the Throne and win the endgame.

What GayWokeshit is actually doing is setting up the conclusion of the whole canon so they can reboot and sell the company to Amazon, who can then do whatever they want with the lore(i.e. rape the IP). As everyone like Arch has been pointing out, the GloboHomo Wokoids at GW are livid the canon is so inherently right-wing that they can't just make everything lame, gay and female. So not only are they moving the plot forward, they are obviously planning to end the story completely for the reboot, and doing it as fast as they can without causing a Bud Light/Cracker Barrel situation.

>>718998094
everything wrong with the galaxy can be traced back to the eldars and necrons and their war

I just learned they retconned the Flayed Ones as well. Before they went mad because they couldn't deal with their metal bodies now they're just infected with malware or some shit.

>>719000084
Acshually it's the Old Ones exploring space and creating life and shit. None of this would have happened if not for them.

>>718998864
>He's going to reflect what humanity has become! We can't have that! We have to keep up the propaganda!

>>718986934 (OP)
>Is better God and protector of humanity in your path

>>719000536
>retard that throws his hammer into an illusion and loses it

>>718996769
>I liked it before knowing anything about it
not surprising you're kikestian lol

>>719000536
Can't even protect the souls of his followers.

>>719000084
>Eldar
Utterly inconsequential to galactic history. The War In Heaven was between the Old Ones and the Necrons, and the massacre of the Old Ones is what created the Eye Of Terror (with the Necrons using Pylons to seal it). The Webway itself was an Old Ones creation that the Eldar inherited and didn't even know how to properly use.
Honestly the Eldar only exist as a method for Slaanesh to 'birth' himself, and the Chaos Gods only propped them up for so long so that they could guarantee the creation of the Imperium. Once the Eldar had no further use the Chaos Gods put them down like rabid dogs.

>Chaos is SO powerful that no one can beat it!
>Ok, it gets beat all the time, but they they are just goofing around!
>Ok, the space bugs are kicking their ass, but chaos is just goofing around! Once REAL chaos shows up, then they will win!
>Ok, they got their ass kicked, again. But next time when REAL chaos shows up, just you wait!

>>719001135
Chaos was only holding back.

>>719000536
>>719000787
Lol this. That image is him about to get his ass kicked

When is the Outsider coming back?

>>719001135
Chaos won the moment Horus fought the Emperor, as that duel broke reality and let the Chaos Gods create themselves at the dawn of time utilizing the horror and strife form the Siege of Terra.
Also the Nids are nothing. The Great Rift opening mortally wounded the Hive Mind.
40k is currently in the post-game state where Chaos is just playing around in the sandbox after the Short Victory screen, and they're waiting for the Emperor to hit Apotheosis so they can get the Long Victory.

>>719000536
i was salty about Warhammer fantasy for a long time, but this year decide to start to learn about age of Sigmar and is pretty cool, specially the lore about the realms like the one from metal having grass fields made of gold, or the fire realms having seas of lava that function as literal seas.

>>719001072
I thought the eye of terror was created when slaanesh was born

>>719001072
That's exactly the kind of nonsense I'd expect the demons to teach their human slaves.

>>719001072
i have always liked the theory that the emperor was created by the dark king to birth himself from him.

>>719001320
Chamon makes me think of Mirrodin, but without the plague oil rotting it from the inside

>>719001329
Slaanesh's birth re-opened the Eye. Think of it like a giant wound that won't heal. The Necrons put a band-aid on it, and Slaanesh ripped that band-aid off, and later on the Gods got together and cut the wound a bit wider.
The Eldar were just retards who built their empire on top of the band-aid.

The emp turning into the dark god shit doesn't make sense to me, he literally resisted becoming one during the heresy.

>>719001280
>as that duel broke reality and let the Chaos Gods create themselves at the dawn of time
This happened in a dollar store novel that nothing else will reference or follow on from, other than perhaps a sequel dollar store novel, didn't it?

>>719001642
It was the literal finale of the Horus Heresy.

>>719001526
how the fuck did the necrons put pylons at the heart of the aeldari empire?

>>718986934 (OP)
Big E making a comeback is too much of a paradigm shift in the setting to risk doing. He's never getting out of that chair, the most you'll see him do are things like possessing girlyman to fuck with Nurgle's shit. If they ever bring him back, and that's a big if, it'll be an Age of Sigmar type of deal, and if that taught us anything, it's a bad idea.

>>719000081
They already walked back any idea of an end times 40k. It was being floated and they pulled the plug on it, leaving a billion plot hooks completely dangling in the breeze. It's not happening. GW is too protective to sell anyway.

>>718987640
Hello me.

>>718986934 (OP)
I hope the Grey Knights will stop this Chaos Demon called the Emperor of Mankind.

>>719001668
So it happened in a dollar store novel that nothing else will reference or follow on from.

>>719001787
Nah man, if the guy who turned all his compassion into a kid and threw it across the galaxy woke up he'd totally be a good guy!

>>719001675
The Eldar Empire didn't exist then.

>>718993876
>Total War
How the fuck are they gonna make a TW our of a franchise so hyperfocused on marine wank? Is every faction going to be a marine with a different coat of paint?

>>719001907
They could make it a Horus Heresy game, which honestly would probably be better than making a 40k TW.

>>719001715
People said the same shit about the Primarchs but 10th edition is quickly becoming Horus Heresy 2. Emperor coming back to save the Imperium is totally on brand for modern GW.

>>719001907
who knows but its going to be stupid somehow
probably just will play nothing like a total war game and fuck with the scale by each planet being a city equivalent or some shit

>>718986934 (OP)
Why are power claws so prevalent in 40k? Why would you use a short range gauntlet over a sword?

>>718993589
>>718993876
Games Workshop is doing so well that they opened like four more factories in the UK to meet demand. 40k is the most popular it's EVER been

>>719002054
can't be knocked away from you when you're getting swarmed by thousands of little shits
also for the emperor its an offhand weapon like a parrying dagger

>>719001983
Primarchs have always been in play, they brought in the chaos primarchs, it's only fair to bring in the loyalists, but that's as far as it goes. You watch, we'll go a fucking decade or more without anything else substantial happening. They already dropped the Ynnead arc, they still haven't had girlyman and johnson meet, it's obvious they don't want anything changing much.

>>718993876
>Dawn of War 4 announced
>Total War 40k officially leaked
???

why make 2 tactical games at the same time?

>>719002054
Because claws are fucking cool, there's no reason beyond that, this is not the setting to apply realism to.

>>719001787
They probably won't. This whole thing about the Terminus Decree aside, the Grey Knights have Gene Seed that is derived from the Emperor. We know from how other Space Marines work that a Space Marine finds it extremely difficult to go against his Primarch due to their respective Gene Seed giving them an inbuilt affinity to adoring their Primarch. GKs would likely feel the same adoring pull to Big E that other SMs feel towards their Primarchs. Whatever Big E ends up doing, I'm fairly certain that the GKs will go along with it as a whole

>>718987641
>the grey knights are gonna keep him on the golden throne by force if necessary.
wouldn't they get fucked by the Custodes if they tried this?

>>718991946
exactly. If your goal was to construct superhuman warriors, why waste body space on a womb? why put two infection-prone holes within an inch of each other? why bother with milkers? they'd get in the fucking way of melee fighting. literally everything that makes a woman a woman would have to be removed.

>>719002106
It feels to me like they want to set the board up with more Primarchs before any of them end up finally meeting. I imagine we will get Leman Russ and Jagatai Kahn back before we get any of the returned Primarchs meeting up for the first time

>>719001135
Chaos is plot device the faction. It just exists to push the plot somehow.
Necrons could fuck them over for good if they wanted to for whatever reason.

>>718987641
This is the stupidest lore they've ever come up with, it doesn't even make sense with regards to the description of the terminus decree. Actually back to 5th ed Matt Ward era grey knight lore

>>718993724
Lorgar was definitely retarded

>>719002261
Malcador's orders. Big E trusted the man implicitly, if he told the GKs to keep Empy on the throne, it was for a very, very good reason, and almost certainly because Goldmoney told him to. The Emperor even ordered the Custodes to heed Malcador's final orders, the Terminus Decree would have been amongst them.

>>719002161
They aren't both tactical games.

>>718993724
Magnus and Logar were definitely retarded, I will say magnus even more so.

>>719002337
Except it's been years and none of that has happened. You must be new to 40k if you expect things to happen quickly.

>>719002054
It could work as a shield or be used to grab an enemy's weapon. Those claws seem pretty big.

>>718990937
>third Alpha legion brother

>>719001959
Is the setting that different from 40k? Keep in mind TW WH gained traction because the people playing it didn't want another game where everyone is generic grunt with a slightly different armor like the history installments.
If two thirds of the factions are some marine variation it's not gonna go well.

>>719002028
It will probably be 1 planet = 1 province. I'm more concerned about interceptions and ambushes. Is everything going to be on an asteroid?

They won't do shit with the emperor before the primarchs comeback in full (the ones alive)

>>719002410
People are placing too much importance on the Terminus Decree. Nobody is even sure in lore who wrote it and it was written thousands of years ago. It's likely it was written by the founding members of the Imperial Cult/Inquisition after the HHwho had a vested interest in the recently crippled Big E remaining on his throne whilst they consolidate their power.

I imagine if modern GKs opened it and read it they would probably think it was retarded as well

>>719002583
HH would be much more balanced, and on top of that would have Primarchs so people would immediately jump onto it to live out their big "What if" scenarios.
Heresy fan-fics are legitimately more popular than most xenos factions.

>>718990504
Magnus is going to be a loyalist and fulfill his original role.

>>719002537
I feel so fucking old when I remember that Gulliman's return and Primaris were almost 10 years ago

>>719002537
I don't expect it to happen quickly. Though I do expect Russ at least to return to the setting in the next couple of years. Probably in line with the 11th Edition

>>718991540
because he believed that every torture he did, every planet he destroyed and all the skin he wearer were pre destined to happen, so he changing anything will show that he didn’t do those thing because “muh fear is the solution" but because he like to do that which would have break him, like he says “Death is nothing compared to vindication”

>>719002731
Nah. His wolf time nonsense is too final battle-ish.

>>719002670
>Heresy fan-fics are legitimately more popular than most xenos factions.
Considering the franchise hasn't fleshed xenos nearly as much it doesn't surprise me. They exist to job

>>719002583
>Is everything going to be on an asteroid?
probably or boarding a ship big enough for all the stupid blocks of infantry to run around
they don't own battlefleet gothic license after all

Anyone here play Kill Team? Who do you main and are you looking forward to Tomb World?

>>718990504
Where was this mentioned? I'm genuinely curious.

Do you think they will ever reveal the 2nd and 11th Primarchs?

>>718991308
That sounds incredibly stupid. The entire point of Curze is that what he sees is immutable, literally every vision he had came true, from the fate of his brothers to the Emperor, to 40k in general. There's no reason why the vision pertaining to himself would be the exception. He's dead, but more importantly he wanted to die really, really bad. That said, apart from Horus, primarch souls don't really go away like regular humans.

>>719002664
The description was that it was to be opened at the imperiums darkest hour or whatever, it makes little to no sense for the imperium to be on their last legs then they open the box and its just some note telling them to put granded back in his chair.

>>719002963
if they do it'll probably be something extremely lame and/or gay
>they were trans folks so the evil racist bigot transphobe "emperor" memory holed them

>>719002963
No, defeats the point of them adding mystery to the setting. You get vague allusions and that's it.

>>719002838
GW has tried fleshing out xenos in the past and it always fails. Nobody gives a fuck about Necrons or Tau or the Eldar rainbow, the only popular ones are Orks and Nids who are too dumb to be fleshed out and remain pleasantly dumb to work with narratively.

>>719002963
they will get the ferrus manus treatment

>>719002963
Yes. The whole thing of "they will forever not be a thing to allow for players to create their own Homebrew Legions and their own Head canon" died years ago

>>719003105
>Nobody gives a fuck about Necrons
You take that back

>>719003110
They will get their eye sockets fucked?

i have always trough that it would have been cool if sanguinius and curze have each one an eye from the other, so both of them can see the good and bad futures.

>>719003105
after the refresh and new models necrons are one of the most popular factions now

>>719003105
Not true about the Necrons. Trazyn is one of the most popular characters in the 40k setting

>>719002963
They already have, it's Buzz Lightyear and Emperor Palpatine

>>719003105
Those 3 are the ones people give the most fucks about + Orks and Nids
And also GW is only fleshing out the marines and chaos as always, Xenos get crumbs in between, this has been like this for more than a decade.

>After the Emperor felt the true extent of Horus' power as He rushed to face him aboard the Vengeful Spirit in the final stages of the Siege of Terra, He realized that victory would be unlikely unless He empowered Himself greatly. Out of desperation, the Emperor drank from the Warp but on a scale previously unseen. Taking the form of a lightning-sheathed sphere of obsidian, the Emperor's power was such that He even unintentionally slew all of the Custodians around Him, turning them into little more than heavily burnt walking corpses. The Emperor proceeded to sweep across the madness of the Inevitable City, causing Daemons, the Lost and the Damned and even Traitor Space Marines to flee in panic before Him.[1c]

>By now, the Emperor was ascending into a full Chaos God, though He believed the action was necessary in order to kill Horus and save humanity. Malcador was distressed at sensing what his friend had become, believing He had gone too far.[1d] However it was then that the Emperor was confronted by Ollanius Persson, John Grammaticus, Leetu, and Garviel Loken. Persson confronted his own friend, talking him down from the abyss of corruption by reminding Him of His humanity. Shocked that He had encountered Persson for the first time in millennia at this specific place at this specific time, Persson convinced the Emperor to have faith and give up the power He had built up even if it meant gambling humanity's future in a battle He was likely not to win. This ultimately convinced the Emperor to shed the mantle of the evolving Dark King, causing a blast of power to sweep across both Terra and the Vengeful Spirit that banished much of the Warp-madness spread by the traitors.[1d]

>>719003165
>>719003267
Thw only time Necrons have ever sold well is in 9th Edition when they came packaged with Marines in the starter box. The one good book they have is primarily known just for the memes about it.

>>719003487
so you just don't know much about the necron faction then, they are LITERALLY top 3 factions selling right now

>>719003487
A Necron expansion to Kill Team is about to release and is likely to sell out everywhere immediately, anon. They are a popular faction

It certainly is true that GW certainly leave some Xenos factions completely adrift. Votaan and Genestealer Cult for example. Necros are a big deal for them though

>>719003105
>drive every non marine fan away by neglecting everything else
>finally decide to throw something else a bone
>wtf the (marine) fans didn't like this
>continue neglecting everything that's not the imperium

So how technologically advanced were humans in the golden age of technology? Did they rival the necrons and could destroy solar systems like the lore states or was that just overblown and it was just men of iron hacks and no real competition that let them overtake a ton of the galaxy?

Emperors Children player here. Sure do wish that GW cared about Chaos as much as people here think that they do as I could really do with some more variety in my unit list

>>719003047
Can you imagine just inventing things in your head to get angry about because you literally can't stop thinking about tranny cock

Shouldn't you be crying about the cracker barrel logo?

>>719003708
The pecking order is
>Necrons
>Olds Ones
>DAOT Humans
>Krorks
>Eldar

>>719003625
Nobody is buying that box for the Necrons. People have been rabid for a new Deathwatch team and that's precisely what people are going for.
>>719003565
Yeah man, Necrons are so popular that GW had to upend their snoozefest narrative campaign with Vashtorr so peoplee would actually pay attention to it. Necrons DEFINITELY are popular.

>>719003759
Krorks more advanced than eldar? Weren't they created by the Eldar?

>>718986934 (OP)
let him rot he is a reddit R/atheist fedora wearing retard who knew Chaos demons " gods" existed but still being the gigantic redit mod he was is to stupid to warn his own kids who literally have the ability to fight the demons as well about their existence.

40k is just dog shit LORE in general Just make your own Lore even the GW fags dont read their lore and constantly retcon so if you want to rely on retards for your lore than dont complain about it.

>>719003708
-Extremely advanced
-Not as advanced as Necrons but probably near the level of pre-fall Eldar
-They probably could destroy Solar Systems with ease
-There seemed to be plenty of competition (outside of Eldar, Orks) but Golden Age Humanity was so dominant that it generally made Xenos Races completely subservient or submissive to them. These same Xenos then turned on then when the Men of Iron bullshit happened, which is what caused Humanity's everlasting hatred of Xenos

>>719003708
Well they had literal time travel guns so...

why can't GW write anything good to save their lives?

Chaos seems based

>>719003949
Because their primary concern is selling miniatures

>>719003708
Extremely
Still not full blast necrons but enough that a gun which shoots an enemy vessel microseconds back in time so that it telefrags itself wasn't anything special.

Only real WH is the classic one, none of that faggotry space bullshit

>>719003889
Krorks were made by the Old Ones, and were the front line fighters during the War In Heaven. It's why they got hit bad whole the Eldar were left alright, as the Eldar are just batteries for the Eldar "Gods".

>>719003889
kroks were created by the old ones long with the eldars, they just were unfinished before the old ones when death

>>718986934 (OP)
is he ok

>>718986934 (OP)
Hope not, "dead" Empra is 40.000 times better than alive Empra.

>>718995165
Try sitting somewhere for 10k+ years

>>719004067
>>719004084
I see, I wonder if there's any chance of them coming back.

which primarch do you think they'll bring back next?

How are Chaos Space Marines supposed to counter Primaris?

>>719004203
there was one already and it curb stomped the empire and make vulcan go into infinite respawn time

>>719004242
my heart wants either vulcan or jaghatai

>>719002963
Probably.

>>719004242
Russ or The Khan if they are brought back individually

Corax if GW decides that they want to bring back Lorgar

>>719003006
1.The "imperium's darkest hour" has nothing to do with the Emperor. They open the decree and see something that is of no help or relevance whatsoever
2.By complete coincidence the "darkest hour" just so happens to be the Emperor waking up as an evil entity. They open the decree and it just says "put him back!", being of no help whatsoever.

Yeah, they definitely did not think this through.

>>719004286
Warp steroids. If anything, Primaris are an equaliser to CSM who are juiced up on chaos shit

>>719004203
The closest was The Beast who killed the entire Imperial Fists chapter and nearly took Terra itself, and was only stopped by Vulkan himself returning.

>>719003429
So you mean to tell me he had a blast and returned to form

>>718987569
That's all chaos niggers
>I'm so muh better than them and will use chaos for my own goal playing them like a fiddle
literally pic related.

>>719004198
I'm getting there. I'll let you know if I go over 1000.

>>718998951
Followed by the release of Warhammer 45K: Age of the Dark King

>>718986934 (OP)
Yes, according to 10th edition and the Grey Knights he is. But it's not going to be a clean resurrection, it's going to be messy. A lot of people will probably die, maybe a planet or two in the Solar will be lost forever like Cadia, might be an event as brutal as the Horus Heresy but he is going to return.
this is GWs 5 year plan on the storyline to move it forward you will see more Primarchs returning for both sides some will only be cameo appearances two or three will be permanent and there is also going to be another Galaxy ending threat appear while all of this is occurring that is from another race not Chaos not Imperium related

Could he even stand up if he wants to? he looks like a skeleton.

>>719004794
He's a Perpetual. Literally an Immortal who can respawn in peak natural form shorty after death

Thing with The Emperor is that he has been manually refusing to die and allow the respawn to occur since it is only his continuing existence that is preventing the whole of humanity from collapsing. He is both constantly holding off a colossal demonic invasion whilst Aldi acting as the lighthouse to allow humanity to navigate space. These two things stop happening the second he decides to respawn

>The nature of The Key remained highly mysterious; all Abaddon let his lieutenants know is that it makes the servants of the Emperor greater traitors than any Chaos Space Marine.
What did he mean by this?

>>719005128
>whilst Aldi acting as the lighthouse
Should have gone with Lidl

>>718986934 (OP)
He’ll be revived in the official canon Fortnite crossover event.

>>719005276
Big E seems like a Waitrose sort of guy desu

>>718991015
>They are all pretty potent psykers

>>719002575
Think about it.

>Three heads of the Hydra
>The Alpharius/Omegon have three canon origin stories about how they were rediscovered
Alpharius and Omegon are dead, as has already been said. But there is a third.

>>719005128
We just need Cawl to pop in with his brand new Cawl Pattern Wraithbone™ and Cawl Pattern Cawl Throne Driver™ and it'll all be as good as new. Cawl.

>>719005413
Blanks don't auto-counter Psykers. If a Grey Knight and an SoS fight the GK is still going to win, he's just going to have a bit of a headache as he does so

>>719005128
Even if he does "die" it means the Star Child will be reborn in real space.

>>719005452
It would unironically be on point for them to pretend to be twins pretending to be a single person while actually being triplets. Of course, this is assuming the Alpha Legion even exists, which it doesn't, and you're a schizo conspiracy theorist for suggesting otherwise.

>>719004242
It's almost objectively going to be Russ. Big 4 of Chaos are all back. Big 4 of space marines has 2 back so far. 3 and 4 are Sanguinius and Russ. We all know it's not going to be Sanguinius.

>>719005556
>Star Child is born
>Right as Humanity utterly collapses and is devoured by the Dark King

>>719005470
Cawl does have Pharos technology now

>>719005593
>Russ.
it's going to be Corvus

>>718986934 (OP)
>old Emp
>wanted to save humanity and bring them to the next point of evolution
>gave everything and his life for humans
>was basically Hitler

>current nu-Emp
>uhm yep he was always a power hungry asshole who hated all his son

Why did GW butcher his lore so much?

>>719005593
Sanguinius is the Primarch of 11th Edition when Horus is resurrected, so GW can hype up a rematch (which Sanguinius will win, as Horus will be a Daemon Primarch who can just respawn afterwards.)

>>719004772
They can't actually bring back the emperor without ending the setting. Unless you're suggesting the launch of 50k or smth

>>719005452
>alpha
>omega
>sigma(r)
that is so fuckin retarded that it goes all the way into kino

>>719005624
It won't be Corvus. He's probably the least like Primarch of them all, no one gives a single fuck about his legion on top of that AND he's essentially a daemon now, so he's not going to be leading his legion like that regardless.

>>719005723
>no one gives a single fuck about his legion
And that's exactly why GW will bring him back. He's not big enough to change anything.

>>719005212
It’s the password to the emperors goon stash

>>719005593
Sanguinius isn't coming back.

>>719005807
>Abaddon arrives on Terra and smashes into the Imperial Palace
>Guilliman arrives in the Throne Room to stop him
>Abaddon activates the Key, stating he wull finally reveal what sort of man the Emperor truly is
>Golden Throne begins spitting out Eldar feet pics

>>719005641
Nothing changed except for one writer with daddy issues the emperor still love humanity

>>719005941
>it's all AI generated too

>>719005641
>uhm yep he was always a power hungry asshole who hated all his son
This is only the case if you read him from Valdor's perspective, Big E is chameleonic, you get from him what you expect to see, and Valdor eternally seethes over the primarchs and hates them even though he's not supposed to feel anything. So whenever he talks to the Emperor, he gets the emotionless autistic asshole who doesn't give a shit about his offspring bar their utility.

He didn't want to make humans a psychic race, he wanted to get rid of the psyker gene forever. Moving humanity into the webway and cutting them off from the Warp with his gene craft was the plan. All he cared about was killing Chaos, everything else he tried had failed to so much as slow the growth of Chaos from humanity's darker impulses.

>>719005941
It's got to be way more fucked up than that. Someone who's lived for hundreds of thousands of years must need exceptionally cooked fap material to get off

>>719005941
>the emperor goes uuuuummmmm I can explain
>directed by m night shamalan

>>719006000
>Just as Guilliman thinks it's not too bad, the Throne swaps over to thr armpit pics

>>719005941
>Golden Throne begins spitting out Dark Eldar feet pics
ftfy

>>719006000
I like to think it's just very vanilla.

>>719005961
I thought the point was he loved humanity more than the demihumans he has created, such as the primarchs? That's still love for humanity

>>719006000
Beyond human comprehension. A man can get severely fucked up in just one lifetime.

>>719005641
Nu-Emp isn't that at all though. You can see what he was like in the Siege of Terra books. The guy inheritently has humanities best interests at heart but he isn't above hurting it to help it.
And as far as he appears on a one-on-one basis, he basically appears different to every person who beholds him due to his insane psychic aura

In 40K, is Dalia still at the center of Mars guarding the Void Dragon?

>>718986934 (OP)
This isn't videogames you stupid fucking fat cunt.

>>719005691
Black library authors want to move the setting forward as go GW themselves as they want to set up a new campaign setting

>>719006206
>he basically appears different to every person who beholds him
I've always imagined he's schizophrenic in practical terms. He's an Old One, but not a real one, he's essentially just several thousand people bundled into a single body, so his various personas are probably just those individuals assuming priority depending on the situation. I also like to think that every psyker fed to him each day ends up joining that mass, which would explain why he's fucking insane by M42, most of him is drowned out by over three billion human beings who died in abject agony believing the emperor was a god.

Stick a Halo Device on him, he'll be right as rain

>>718987641
nu-lore is not canon anon.

>>718988016
that might be cool fanfiction yeah. Hopefully they dont have that faggot Mike Brooks write it this time.

>>718989172
i mostly liked all the changes until the last ~4 years where the GW went woke. The authors of Black Library had run out of years to write stories in, the 13th black crusade had been current in-lore for well over a decade by the time of 2017's Dark Imperium.

How GW runs its miniatures has always been a shitshow, refreshing the line now that new technology allows for less cringy and cartoonish designs. It was inevitable that lore progression had to happen.

It all started going to hell when the DEI-blackrock+Amazon money forced woke upon the lore. The Femstodes debacle exposed it but the signs were all there.

>>719005312
Isn't he from Turkey?

>>718986934 (OP)
He is slowly channeling his power over to Brother Dimetrius.

>>719007037
Will he legalize Eldar wives once the process is complete?

>>719006021
>>719005941
Doesn't Girlyman have an alien gf now? He'd be ok with it and Abaddon would be mad as hell.

>>718987569
First post worst post.
The Emperor was the best thing happening to mankind. We saw the years 15000 to 25000. Where humanity fucked themselves in the ass, after millenia, by becoming complicit and giving all their power to artifical beings. We saw how that turned out. The Emperor knew that he had to shield humanity from Chaos forever to achieve true ascension.

So what would happen if the Emperor actually DID hypothetically come back at full strength

>>719007002
>Big E comes off his throne to open a kebab stand

>>719007095
>wakes up
>realizes that Guilliman is part Armenian or something
>kills him and starts raving about meat on a stick

>>719007167
>complicit
complacent

>>719007169
Depends. Do you mean Full Strength as in his Heresy-Era strength, or as in his Godhood state he's in now?

>>719007257
Godhood state.

>>719007257
Heresy era

>>719007257
Many people dont understand that the Emperor now is something far FAR more powerful than he ever was walking amongst mankind.
He is so powerful now that even the Eldar fear him more than Slaanesh. All beings fear him and the Tryanids are going after him because the hivemind deems him the greatest threat to its very existence.

My only experience with Warhammer 40K stuff was when I played Space Marines 1 on Steam like 10 years ago, but since then I've always liked the Orks. They're cool. I wanna be an Ork. I kinda wanna get into painting Ork miniatures but the price tags on those things+paint make me hesitate.

Anyone here paint Orks? Post your coolest Orks, please.