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Anonymous No.718990460 [Report] >>718991146 >>718992038 >>718992582 >>718993642 >>718996917 >>718999828 >>718999989 >>719001979
Daily reminder that you support this with your money if you buy any Blizzard shit
Anonymous No.718990527 [Report]
Diversity is like Dubstep: ok to have little sprinklings of it, but building an entire song out of it makes it garbage.
Anonymous No.718990730 [Report] >>718999673
corporations ruin everything, including making everyone feel represented and welcome.
Anonymous No.718991146 [Report] >>718991512 >>718993157
>>718990460 (OP)
was the niggonometer ever released? i kinda want to check up how some characters tally up
Anonymous No.718991512 [Report]
>>718991146
Its for the internal process
Anonymous No.718992038 [Report] >>718992582 >>718995852
>>718990460 (OP)
Not to defend Blizzard, but they did abandon that almost instantly because of how transparently ridiculous it was, even at a glance, even to them. Like, what does a 100% on the "culture" axis even mean? What's 100% "body type" look like--is it literally just a fatness meter?

They commissioned it, made a blog post about it, then went back *literally the next day*, removed all the rankings, and made clear that it was never used in any of their actual character design. Everything about it was arbitrary and it was purely a performative piece they commissioned so that they could make a blog post about it. It was just too retarded, even for Blizzard.
Anonymous No.718992582 [Report] >>718992932
>>718990460 (OP)
>>718992038
its literally just a tool, and the results depend entirely on the data set that you fill it with. you dont just put in a character with their traits and features and it shows you "scores". you put in EVERY character, and then it "scores" them by comparing them against each other. whenever you add a new character to the data pool, it adjusts EVERYONE'S scores because they're all rated by comparing against each other, not rated by some "inherent" value of traits.

the sole purpose of it is to promote diversity (or at least make you aware that something might be comparatively generic) by wanting to check boxes and create token differences, and avoid "we already have that box checked X times already". its a tool, and it all comes down to how you use it, and whether or not you give a shit what the results show you.
Anonymous No.718992932 [Report] >>718994176
>>718992582
But Anon, aggregating scores only works if the scores make any kind of sense to begin with. The tool's inputs are nonsense. What the hell is "sexual orientation" being measured against? What's at the far end of the spectrum? Gay? So, like, is bisexual in the middle and straight on the near-end? Where's asexual? Maybe asexual's near the near end, which puts bisexual in the middle, and gay on the far end? So asexual people have a *lower* sexual orientation score than straight people?

Like, there's no configuration you could possibly set up where the scoring actually makes any kind of sense. The tool can't possibly work because human beings can't be measured on axes that look anything like that without itemizing and ranking every part of them, and not only would that itself be horrifically racist/sexist/take-your-pick-there's-literally-an-entire-wheel-of-options-there, but--even if you did stick it out and do that--how do you even determine where someone actually goes on the chart, other than just fuckin' eyeballing it, which is what they were doing to begin with anyway?

The whole tool is just ridiculous. It's not just that it doesn't, work, it's that it *can't* work, and the only way you could earnestly try to use it is by categorizing and ranking people by their various minority statuses, which is way worse than whatever you were trying to avoid in the first place. It was a horrible idea and there's a reason that it both received the negative reaction it did and that Blizzard immediately dropped it. It was a very, very stupid idea.
Anonymous No.718993157 [Report] >>718993230
>>718991146
Anonymous No.718993230 [Report]
>>718993157
Anonymous No.718993642 [Report]
>>718990460 (OP)
>buying blizzard shit
Never have, never will
Anonymous No.718994176 [Report] >>718994639
>>718992932
NTA but based off what he was saying, it seems like a tool that would help you find areas you might be overlooking or miss to help avoid making something generic.

Like, "sexual orientation" would be measured against your already exisitng data pool. Already have 9 out of 9 characters that are heterosexual? Making another Heterosexual character isn't going to score very high. The same would go if 9 out of 9 characters were already gay, however if you made a straight character at that point it would score very high because of how unique that entry would be.

In theory is seems like a pretty useful tool, just depends on what you do with the data.
Anonymous No.718994639 [Report] >>718994995
>>718994176
That's not what it purported to do. To quote from Blizzard's original blog:

>"Once it establishes a baseline for typical character traits (which is done by the creative team working closely with DE&I experts), it can then weigh new character designs against it to measure their diversity."

Basically, the idea of the tool is to established a baseline "normal" character, and then rank every character against that "normal" along the listed axes. Obviously, both the "normal" baseline and the rankings of the characters themselves are entirely arbitrary, and--as I mentioned before--ranking human sexuality, culture, gender identity, and even "body type" based on how far away from "normal" they are is, in itself, super fucking racist/sexist/etc. The whole heart of the fiasco was that, in its quest to become less racist, Blizzard had proudly blogged about signing up for the Racism Helper 2000. This was immediately recognized by everyone, including Blizzard, who nuked it right after.
Anonymous No.718994995 [Report]
>>718994639
>That's not what it purported to do.
Fair enough.

>-ranking human sexuality, culture, gender identity, and even "body type" based on how far away from "normal" they are is, in itself, super fucking racist/sexist/etc
I don't agree, I guess on the whole of an objective human experience sure, but relative to the western world you can make some pretty good calls about what "normal" is and attempting to make characters that are less "normal" isn't inherently sexist/racist/ect. It's literally a version of what we already do in our day to day lives.
Anonymous No.718995852 [Report]
>>718992038
>Like, what does a 100% on the "culture" axis even mean? What's 100% "body type" look like--is it literally just a fatness meter?
Anonymous No.718996917 [Report]
>>718990460 (OP)
>blizzard accidentally confirms zarya is straight
based?
Anonymous No.718999673 [Report] >>718999904
>>718990730
That’s the irony, right? They turned “inclusion” into another checkbox for corporate branding. It stopped being about actually representing people and just became some weird optimization stat-like they’re min-maxing diversity like it’s a damn MMORPG. The worst part is how sterile and soulless the results end up. No actual humanity in the characters, just a Frankenstein’d collage of all the “right” traits.
Anonymous No.718999828 [Report]
>>718990460 (OP)
Honestly, I'm starting to realize that image isn't even that retarded. When you see it not as a way to judge individual characters, but instead to find spaces where they have nothing, it makes more sense.
Still lame and retarded but from a corporate standing it makes sense as a tool I guess.
Anonymous No.718999904 [Report]
>>718999673
You're missing the forest for the trees, anon.
They have made it a checkbox, but it's not for corporate branding. It's to ensure everything is covered to ensure that there's no possible audience who isn't being pandered to.
Anonymous No.718999989 [Report]
>>718990460 (OP)
Uhh no it doesn't count when I subscribe to retail because it means I can play on a censored trannified vanilla-flavored funserver (which was always called LE CLASSIC, nobody said vanilla)
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Anonymous No.719001979 [Report]
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