Thread 718992361

this is downright awful

>>718992361 (OP)
Halo 2 is not a good game, correct.

>>718992361 (OP)
I still can't grasp why they made the needler so shit in H2, it wasn't even that good in CE but for some reason they decided to make it giga dogshit

>>718992361 (OP)
Halo 2 genuinely sucks to the extent it's the only Halo game I can't replay fully.

>>718992361 (OP)

I beat this on Legendary alone.

>>718992406
there are no good halo games
its just baby's first scify FPS, if you like it you are underage or have the taste of an underage

>>718992472
Halo 2 marked the beginning of the end of fun singleplayer gameplay for all video games.
Many of it's systems were meticulously designed around multiplayer balancing due to Xbox Live getting a huge push from Microsoft across all projects.

The needler was bullshit to go up against in Halo 1 so they clearly nerfed it into oblivion because of the known problems in multiplayer.

>>718992568
Halo Reach is good. I am 34. The best shooter ever made is Doom 2.
You have shit taste. That of a petulant child with some false sense of loyalty to some gay bullshit from your youth.

>>718992568
CE is a genuinely great game with a far more dynamic game flow than the vast, vast majority of shooters. Not getting this is just admitting you don't really understand games, especially FPS, regardless of whether you're coming at it from a Halo Good or Halo Bad angle.

3 and Reach are decent games too with pretty good story/campaigns.

>>718992472
>>718992635
Dual wielding also meant that the effectiveness of most weapons was essentially cut in half to compensate.

>>718992635
>Many of it's systems were meticulously designed around multiplayer balancing due to...
None of its systems were meticulously designed at all. It's a blatantly half finished game and was very poorly designed for multiplayer, something only made up for by it being the first big multiplayer FPS.

>>718992361 (OP)
yeah this level was rough on legendary until you got a carbine
>>718992635
the needler fucking sucked in halo 1 what youtube video are you smoking

>>718992568
trvke

>>718992694
>The best shooter ever made is Doom 2
Yeah anon was right. Peak shit taste.

>>718992568
yeah
only normgroids who grew up with an xbox think it's good
almost as funny as tendies who think goldeneye is good

>>718992739
>every dual-wieldable weapon becomes useless when single wielded
>dual-wielding disables both melee and grenades, both core parts of Halo's gameplay
It drives me crazy that people defend that dogshit and keep wanting it to come back.
>>718992825
>the needler fucking sucked in halo 1
Have you tried playing the fucking game at all?
Elites are by far the biggest threats and the Needler is easily the best common way to deal with them. Beyond that you could actually use it for non-explosion effect to damage/stagger random grunts without needing to magdump them, since it dealt decent damage (something completely removed in 2).

>>718992825
it's hard even with the carbine. The thing has the same spread value as a BR despite being single shot, so the accuracy is terrible.

>>718992954
What are smoking? The noob combo, plasma grenades, shotgun and even plasma rifle are infinitely better ways to kill an Elites. The needler is slow and unreliable. The only weapon more useless then it is the AR.

>>718992954
What are you smoking? The noob combo, plasma grenades, shotgun and even the plasma rifle are infinitely better ways to kill an Elites. The needler is slow and unreliable. The only weapon more useless then it is the AR.

>>718994656
You're a retard.

>>718992954
Depending on what difficulty I think elites can react quicker to dodge the needles, I'm not even sure if a supercombine is a guaranteed kill in CE, I swear I've seen them shrug it off, I'd only ever use it as a last resort though so I don't have a lot of experience with it, it's at least useful for brutes in 2

>>718994690
Holy shit you genuinely suck ass at this game if your weapon of choice is a spray and pray gun.

>>718994690
>>718992954
nta but you suck
pistol / AR or spamming plasma pistol (CE PP has no fire rate cap) are far more effective against grunts and jackals than a fucking needler. plasmas and a human weapon + grenades were the best way to take out elites unless you have a power weapon, until shotguns were everywhere. you mustve been playing on easy or something

in your post you complained about weapon balancing regarding campaign abd multiplayer and i can tell you never played halo 1's MP because the needler was thoroughly useless.

>>718993552
i'd end up running out of ammo for the carbine and having to just cheese it with dual brute plasma rifles when i played it on legendary. it took 3-4 heat cycles to down a single brute iirc. when they started to berserk it was a lot easier
i got hard filtered a couple levels later when you have to cross a bridge to meet sgt johnson's scarab

>>718994820
i think CE zealots shrugged off supercombines. maybe the reds can take one on heroic and legendary; i cant remember because i dont use the fucking needler against them

>>718994656
Noob combo is unironically a meme in CE compared to just spamfiring the plasma pistol. Which is busted, but that's just a general problem.
Shotgun only exists in the second half of the game.
Plasma rifle is alright but definitely not as efficient as the needler, and is unfortunately mostly just worse than the plasma pistol.
>The only weapon more useless then it is the AR.
CE AR is nowhere near as bad as people make out. It's a lot more accurate than people realize while burst firing (CE has bloom, it just doesn't show it). It's extremely, extremely good for controlling enemies though, which is a major part of even vaguely competent play in CE. Pinging grunts, jackal-hands and even elites with the thing does a huge amount to prevent you getting shot at. It's problem is almost purely that its DPS gets outstripped on legendary, but it's a pretty good weapon compared to the others on Heroic.
>>718994820
They can but they can't dodge the second one.
>I'm not even sure if a supercombine is a guaranteed kill in CE
It's not, but getting multiple isn't hard at all either. The big thing is that it gives less time for the Elite to retreat once it starts taking damage, which means you can actually kill the fuckers far more reliably.
>>718995103
>pistol / AR or spamming plasma pistol (CE PP has no fire rate cap) are far more effective against grunts and jackals than a fucking needler
I'm aware. I'm not saying the needler is good anti-grunt, I'm saying it's not completely and utterly ineffective and useless at anything EXCEPT supercombining the way it is in H2.
>in your post you complained about weapon balancing regarding campaign abd multiplayer
That wasn't me.

>>718992568
Halo 1 turns a quarter of a century old next year. Quake boomers got BTFO because children these days lump Halo in as the same grandpa shit alongside Quake.

>>718995196
>but it's a pretty good weapon compared to the others on Heroic.
Pretty good as in "is not actively weaker than", I probably should clarify.

>>718994992
>>718995103
Nah you're both just ungodly morons not my fault you can't intuit supercombine breakpoints.

>>718995206
delusional
quake will never be on the same conversation as halo, no matter how much time it passes

>>718992361 (OP)
Every level from gravemind onwards is awful (on legendary)

>>718992568
3 and Reach were kinda OK
I got pretty fucking bored with 1 at some point but still finished it despite not really feeling it, I have no idea why the fuck people like it. Same about 2, I basically tried to skip everything I could skip because I just couldn't give a fuck. I don't even want to talk about anything 4 and onward. lmao.

>>718992719
I played CE->Reach recently, and of those 5 games CE is the one I enjoyed the most. The game just feels purer there, in the way projectiles work and everything. Halo CE feels like it still has a foot in the likes of DOOM / Quake while looking forward, whereas the later games feel definitively newgen. For that reason CE feels more era-defining.

>>718992694
you don't even know what I like yet you jump to critizice my taste, no questions asked
you are just reacting to my comment because you think your tastes are a part of your personality and felt attacked
as I said, underage mentality

>>718995382
did you play the first game on the updated graphics? if so, that was a mistake.

>>718995305
*blocks your path*
the needler fucking sucks and you played CE's campaign on easy.
how many shots can pic related kill a hunter in?

>>718992694
>The best shooter ever made is Doom 2.
Mods don't count. Doom 2 is fine compared to garbage like Halo but it's shit compared to Doom 1, Heretic, Hexen, Duke, Quake, Unreal, etc.

>>718995531
'blocks your path again*
forgot pic because of seethe

>>718995583
Oh shit you right. I firgot you can only carry one gun around in this came and can't just pick up a needler whenever wherever because it's a super rare power item.

Plasma pistol is garbage too, by the way. Why? Because it can't kill a hunter in one hit ofc.

Halo 2 legendary is so fucking hard it's unfun
I don't know how zoomers beat this shit, Halo Legendary is harder than any other fps I've played

>>718995729
the needler sucks man. it's a retarded tranny gun
>fear the pink mist
fear my spartan fist plunging into your split lip ass, dino nigger

>>718995787
its miserable and apparently everyone on this board has done LASO, as everyone brags about it. i remember when i first attempted legendary when i was like 11. i think the first or second boarding craft, after you kill all the ultra elites, a zealot will come out of the craft. i was grabbing ammo and shit and he just stabbed my ass with a sword and there went half of my afternoon trying to beat that part lol
reach's legendary is pretty tough as well but its not straight up cruel like halo 2

>>718996007
I never even attempted LASO but I assume it's not representative of actually playing normally, I imagine you just skip everything and cheese what you can't

>>718995787
The problem isn't just that it's hard, it's that it's hard in retarded and unfun ways. You don't die because you got outplayed, you just randomly die to some bullshit you couldn't avoid. It's not about thinking and finding the best way to kill enemies, you just NEED to use precision damage because the health pools are absurd. And so on.

My personal favorite is the despawning weapons. You can literally run out of ammo in the second landing craft on Cairo station which is hilarious.

>>718996183
>you just skip everything and cheese what you can't
thats how you play legendary normally. if you have a ghost you just drive through as fast as you can lol. i actually beat sniper alley on legendary because i didnt know about the grenade jump you can use to skip most of that level
>>718996235
i may be wrong but i heard one of the devs just overtuned the shit out of it and it was never playtested it. the player shield's health was reduced to almost nothing and enemy fire rates were jacked up absurdly. heroic, on the other hand, is leagues more playable. punishing enough to provide a challenge at some points but still allows for playing normally, if carefully. you aren't forced into almost exclusively running a noob combo. ironically the flood were the easier enemies to fight on legendary

>>718995347
true only because quake is basically forgotten.

>>718996780
When I play Legendary I try to avoid skipping stuff on purpose, only thing I can think of is hiding in the vent on the gondola with all the flood because I couldn't manage to survive otherwise even with all the elite allies, you are mostly fucked on vehicle segments unless you get off to clear the way first or zoom through as you said

>>718992635
>The needler was bullshit to go up against in Halo 1 so they clearly nerfed it into oblivion
The Needler was terrible in Halo 1 and 2 is what turned it into my favorite weapon because I could dual wield it and explode enemies on short bursts. Am I the crazy one here?

>>718996007
Halo 2's development cycle was hell so the game isn't balanced correctly.

I tried to play Halo the other day and the shooting is just terrible. The only gun that actually feels powerful is the sniper rifle. Everything else feels like a nerf gun. The enemies aren't satisfying to shoot (I doubt there's even location-based damage) and the game in general is just really bland. Is there any chance I would enjoy later games, or should I give up now?

>>718992568
>there are no good halo games
Oh sorry I didn't realize you were retarded, my condolences.

>>718995441
Holy fucking pseud. Go to hell you pretentious faggot.

>>718997875
just give up
if you don't not kill aliens and not afraid of anything you won't like it