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Anonymous No.718992736 >>718993006 >>718993041 >>718994195 >>718994274 >>718994581 >>718994662 >>718994827 >>718994885 >>718995030 >>718995589 >>718997149 >>718997826 >>718997958 >>719000645 >>719002645 >>719002972 >>719004128 >>719005349 >>719005631 >>719006267 >>719010873
Learn japanese
Play Japanese games
Anonymous No.718993006 >>718993037 >>718993060 >>718993554 >>718994096 >>718998016
>>718992736 (OP)
Nah
Anonymous No.718993037 >>718993554 >>718994096 >>718995168 >>718996579 >>718998140
>>718993006
Anonymous No.718993041 >>718993068 >>718993108 >>718993146 >>718993190 >>718993554 >>718995081 >>718997102 >>719002845 >>719009503
>>718992736 (OP)
What does the ใ‚“ stand for?
Anonymous No.718993060 >>718993383
>>718993006
Is Japan really going to shit that bad?
Anonymous No.718993068 >>718995081
>>718993041
n
Anonymous No.718993108 >>718993687
>>718993041
้€ƒใ’ใ‚!!!
Anonymous No.718993146
>>718993041
ไบŒใƒถๆตœ
Anonymous No.718993190 >>718994161 >>718995081
>>718993041
It's pronounced N (e.g. shinkansen) or M (e.g. sempai) or not at all (e.g. funiki).
Anonymous No.718993383
>>718993060
No, obviously. It's just like the west, they just import people for cheap labor and to try and steal young people's inheritance so that there isn't a good society that comes out of population "decline"
Anonymous No.718993554 >>718993687
>>718993006
>>718993037
Sources? Oh, there's none?
>>718993041
้€ƒใ’ใ‚‹
Anonymous No.718993687
>>718993108
>>718993554
*banned from server*
Anonymous No.718994096 >>718994157
>>718993006
>>718993037
Upset people are calling out your antinintendo threads? Lmao.
Anonymous No.718994157
>>718994096
nah he's probably shitting his pants his usual "japan has fallen goy, this time for real" spam threads are actually getting deleted for some reason
Anonymous No.718994161
>>718993190
It's not so much the sound but it's the motion of placing the tip of your tongue against the roof of your mouth and halting airflow temporarily, just for a beat.
That's why it sounds different in different words.
Anonymous No.718994195 >>718994263
>>718992736 (OP)
>Play Japanese games
ใ‚“ใŠ.
Anonymous No.718994263
>>718994195
At least make it ่ƒฝ.
Anonymous No.718994274 >>718994354
>>718992736 (OP)
Doesn't really help. Look a the trails remake, people rejoiced at first about the removal of meme translations but it turns out the script was pre-censored and removes things like gender stereotype insults.
Anonymous No.718994354
>>718994274
>but it turns out the script was pre-censored and removes things like gender stereotype insults.
at this point it wouldn't surprise me if it was the trannylator clique making shit up tho, you would have to wait until the game actually comes out to check
Anonymous No.718994490 >>718994637 >>718994719 >>718995301 >>719005250 >>719006049
how to not get filtered by kanji? i downloaded some games on my 3ds for immersion purposes and the resolution is obviously not the biggest so im like "how can these japanese fellas tell what's what lol"
Anonymous No.718994581 >>718994759
>>718992736 (OP)
>Learn japanese
I'm trying, but my brain is small and weak. Learning is hard.
Anonymous No.718994637
>>718994490
Play vidyagames or read manga.
Every time you have to look something up, write it down, on paper, with an actual pen.
Keep doing that until it stops happening.
Anonymous No.718994662
>>718992736 (OP)
I tried playing Mother 2 but I got filtered by all the hiragana.
Anonymous No.718994719
>>718994490
you know how you already learned kanas likely with anki or similar shit?
you do the same with radicals
japanese has 3 alphabets yes but the third is radicals, not kanji
once you learn them (at least the ones with 7 strokes or less) you will start to see kanji as words in a box instead of incomprehensible squiggles and spotting individual kanji will become piss easy even in dogshit resolution screens or asinine fonts
https://thekanjicode.com/list-of-phonetic-components/
what's more, you also get to outright guess the readings a good 70-80% of the time (unless it's a name, then you're screwed and have to ask for how it reads)
Anonymous No.718994759
>>718994581
Weak body = weak mind
Eat healthy and exercise. You will become vastly smart and have much better mental function.
Anonymous No.718994827
>>718992736 (OP)
I like western RPG's more than I like JRPG's. like I'd rather play fallout than Blue Dragon or Final Fantasy. I also think the west is better at shooting games than japanese.

the few japanese games I like to play tend to be fighting games nowadays and MAYBE there is a special sweet spot for horror games. Japanese horror vidya is iconic though I cant say the same about their actual movie catalogs.
Anonymous No.718994885
>>718992736 (OP)
ใ‚ฒใƒผใƒ ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซใ˜ใ‚ƒใญใˆใ ใ‘ใฉใ€ๅ‹‰ๅผทใ—ใŸใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ€‚ใ‚‚ใ†่ซฆใ‚ใŸใ‚“ใ ใ‘ใฉใ€‚
Anonymous No.718994972 >>718995818 >>718996489 >>718997425
>practice learning not just the kanji+hiragana to english, but also the kanji from just hiragana and the readings of just kanji
>it helps a lot when I'm reading my material
>but then some kanji all have the same kana which makes it hard to tell them apart
> ๆ’ฎใ‚‹ ๅ–ใ‚‹ ๆณŠใพใ‚‹ all use ใจ
>Whenever I see a flashcard with ใจ I struggle to think what kanji it is
>also sometimes kanji get a different reading depending on what meaning they have
>ๅ‡บ can be ใง or ใ  depending on whether itโ€™s ๅ‡บ[ใ ]ใ™ or ๅ‡บ[ใง]ใ‚‹, struggle with ๅ‡บ[kana]ใ‚‹
>anki sessions end up with this ball of hard to tell apart cards stuck in retry
>had to lower my new card count to prevent anki from becoming long torture sessions I would try to skip and fail
japbros, I dont feel so good.
Anonymous No.718995030
>>718992736 (OP)
FREEEEEEEEEEEEMAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
Anonymous No.718995081
>>718993041
>>718993068
>>718993190
N
Anonymous No.718995168
>>718993037
more like the JEET program
Anonymous No.718995301
>>718994490
japs do it with context. For example. If you read "warning/waming" You know it can't be waMing, since that is nonsense. So waRNing is what's written. If you see a kanji blob that could be 2 different kanji, they just figure out which one is reasonable in the context.
Anonymous No.718995317 >>718995779 >>718996062 >>718997725
You guys got any suggestions for good/fun games for learning nip?
I'd like a good game with voice acting and a decent amount of dialogue. I'm not a complete beginner anymore so it doesn't have to be made for toddlers.
I was thinking about trying Final Fantasy X.
Anonymous No.718995413
If only I had started studying Japanese when I was 3 and my brain was malleable.
Anonymous No.718995589 >>718996014
>>718992736 (OP)
ใ„
Anonymous No.718995679 >>718995778
niggas complaining about kanji dont know how good a filter it is. imagine how easy japanese would be if they rid themselves of it. any nigga out there would be learnin it and the world would just be filled with JSL mfs. just imagine yo neighbor darius hearing about how your interested in japanese and he starts talkin to you in broken japanase. shyt would just be cringe. u feel me? anyways, it's better for yall cretins to get filtered already so as to not increase the amount of cringy broken japanese speaking ass mfs in the world
Anonymous No.718995778
>>718995679
nipbonics

shiiiiiiiet
Anonymous No.718995779 >>718996306
>>718995317
A lot of VNs will allow you to have multiple text language enabled simultaneously so you can have both the English and Japanese shown in every box. It means you can try and read the Japanese by you always have something to fall back on right there if you lose pace.
And some games have furigana, I played Wind Waker when I was learning because of that.
Anonymous No.718995818 >>718996662
>>718994972
>kanji from just hiragana
You dumbass. The rest of your post should already show you that doesn't work. Put the definition there too or an an example sentence if you want to do it backwards.
Anonymous No.718996014
>>718995589
ใ’
Anonymous No.718996062 >>718996306 >>718996486 >>718996949
>>718995317
>I was thinking about trying Final Fantasy X.
Anything fantasy is a goddamn pain in the ass due to terminology, same with hard-scifi.
I would actually recommend goysona first if you want to play rpgs.
Anonymous No.718996306
>>718995779
I played VNs and VN style games at first, but recently I found this tool recently called Game Sentence Miner, it lets you use really accurate OCR to get the text from the game into a texthooker page so I can pause the game whenever and go through it. And it automatically adds audio and screenshots when I make Anki cards.
>>718996062
I played FF7 already and it wasn't too hard. I would like to learn common game terminology anyway because I play games.
I also played 13 Sentinels and got some sci fi terminology from it, though I would not recommend it for other learners because the plot is confusing as fuck in any language.
Anonymous No.718996486
>>718996062
>do this
>see ็ต็•Œ ten million times
Anonymous No.718996489 >>718996662
>>718994972
>kanji from just hiragana
That's a bold move in a language riddled with homonyms.
Anonymous No.718996579
>>718993037
holy shit as if their english wasn't bad enough already lol
Anonymous No.718996662 >>718996767
>>718995818
>>718996489
At some point I realized it was a bad idea (like ใ‹ใฟ for paper and hair) but japs randomly decide whether they write a word with kanji or with hiragana. When Im reading I do get use out of it.
Anonymous No.718996767
>>718996662
Yeah, but context lets you know what they're referring to, which is why you need at least a sample sentence there. Trying to figure out the word from JUST hiragana is a fool's errand. You're wasting time doing that.
Anonymous No.718996949
>>718996062
>Anything fantasy is a goddamn pain in the ass due to terminology, same with hard-scifi.
For like half an hour. Once you plowed the specific terms the story is dickriding, it's a story like any other. The hardest chapter in a new game/mango/novel is always the first one.
Anonymous No.718997102
>>718993041
่‹ฆ of course
Anonymous No.718997149
>>718992736 (OP)
Shiroko thread
Anonymous No.718997195
dekehenwa...
Anonymous No.718997361
Learning pure kanji is a meme. Just learn the most common ones, then take the vocabpill.
Anonymous No.718997425
>>718994972
>ๅ‡บใ‚‹
>ๅ‡บใ™
you're missing ๅ‡บใงใ‚‹(ใ„ใงใ‚‹) anon (e.g. ๅ‡บใงใ‚ˆใ€็ฅž้พ!)
>>all use ใจ
>>a flashcard with ใจ
that's not how you're supposed to do it. of course you're gonna suffer like that. you're supposed to see ๆ’ฎใ‚‹ and think "take a picture. also see ๆ’ฎๅฝฑใ™ใ‚‹." you see ็›—ใ‚‹ and think "steal. also see ็›—ใ‚€ and others like ๅฅชใ†, ๅฅชใ„ๅ–ใ‚‹, etc." you see ๆŽกใ‚‹ and think "pick fruit, extract minerals. also see ๆŽกๅ–(picking (e.g. fruit), extracting (resources)) ๆŽกๆŽ˜, and ๆŽก้‰ฑ(mining)." you see "ๆ‘‚ใ‚‹ and think ้ฃŸไบ‹ใ‚’ๆ‘‚ใ‚‹ (have a meal. ้ฃŸไบ‹ใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‹ is also accepted). also ๆ‘‚ๅ–(intake, e.g. fiber)"
tl;dr think of singnifier(word) and signified(picture what it means)
Anonymous No.718997575
There was an educational game called Wagotabi shilled here yesterday. It looks like RPGMaker slop, but I gave it a try and the introductory lessons were very easy and digestible. I'm sure it will become hell soon enough.
Anonymous No.718997725
>>718995317
dragon quest 1 (SFC) was among the first few games I played. the frequent repetition of terms helps. sadly, characters use plenty of yakuwarigo (e.g. ใใชใŸ instead of ใ‚ใชใŸ, laura says ใ†ใ—ใ‚…ใ†ใ”ใ–ใ„ใพใ™ at one point instead of ใ†ใ‚Œใ—ใ„ใงใ™ (u-onbin, archaic), advanced stuff like ็ฅžใฎใ”ๅŠ ่ญทใŒใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚“ใ“ใจใ‚’ (the older ใ‚ใ‚‰ใ‚“ instead of ใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ) etc.)
on the flipside the plot is light, NPCs are scarce, shopkeepers all use the same dialogue, and combat was very straightforward and repetitive, which made it easy to internalize the terms. the small number of kanji employed also eases the mental load
Anonymous No.718997826 >>718997921
>>718992736 (OP)
I refuse to learn the language of any losers who get BTFO in world wars.
Anonymous No.718997921
>>718997826
But youโ€™re already speaking English and WW2 gave the jews full unmitigated control of America and England
Anonymous No.718997958
>>718992736 (OP)
yes sir
Anonymous No.718998016
>>718993006
Blacked unironically won...
Anonymous No.718998082
By the time I could ask it was already 404'd. Please anon-san give me the source of >>718654961.

I need to learn ๅฐป
Anonymous No.718998140
>>718993037
>Indians teaching English
>Program is unironically called Jeet
Anonymous No.718998527 >>718998908
https://youtu.be/qBClLIT_aLU?si=NvBspX1K9dcCqHg2
Anonymous No.718998908
>>718998527
I'm going to Japan later this year and this is definitely how it's going to go.
Anonymous No.718999227 >>719000034 >>719000546 >>719002467
Peopletoldmetoreadsomethingaimedatkidswhenstartingout. Inowrealizethatwasamean-spiritedruse. Thelackofkanjidoesn'tmakethingseasieratall.
Anonymous No.719000034
>>718999227
Honestly kanji make it easier. It breaks up words and words you don't know you can often guess based on the kanji used. Just a while ago I ran into ใปใ‚“ใพ and I didnt know it. The kanji ๆœฌ็œŸ aren't used for it very often, but I would recognize it had something to do with truth. Hiragana only is a meme that's only useful for native jap kids. Furigana are nice though. Gives you a second way to recognize a word without having to look it up.
Anonymous No.719000546 >>719002570
>>718999227
No kanji is a pain, yeah, but if you're struggling then that means your vocab isn't very good yet and you're depending too much on quick dictionary lookups.
Anonymous No.719000645
>>718992736 (OP)
i remember this because it looks like n for nigger lole
Anonymous No.719001242
>At a point where Iโ€™m reading hiragana/katakana with no issue
>still struggling with kanji but feel like Iโ€™m improving
>read labels and signs as practice whenever I see them around. The Yakuza games have been great for this
>mostly just enjoying how frequently I see that Iโ€™m reading English words but written in Japanese

I guess it makes me laugh because I didnโ€™t realize how often that happens until I could read it
Anonymous No.719002467
>>718999227
yesit does. thereare spaces bewteen somewords
ใŸใพใซใฏ ใŸใ‚“ใ”ใจ ใŸใ‚“ใ”ใฎ ใ‚ใ„ใ ใซ ใ‹ใ‚“ใ‹ใใŒ ๅ…ฅใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹
Anonymous No.719002570 >>719002803 >>719004013 >>719009786
>>719000546
>and you're depending too much on quick dictionary lookups.
heh
Anonymous No.719002645
>>718992736 (OP)
but I dont even know english ;_;
Anonymous No.719002803
>>719002570
>In 2015, despite not speaking French, Richards won the French World Scrabble Championships, after reportedly spending nine weeks studying the French dictionary. He won it again in 2018, and multiple duplicate titles from 2017 to 2019. Richards came back in 2025 and won the blitz, paire and duplicate title in Trois-Riviรจres.
>In 2024, Richards accomplished a similar feat by winning the Spanish-language World Championships.
Now that's some autism.
Anonymous No.719002821
N symbol.
Anonymous No.719002845
>>718993041
Anonymous No.719002972 >>719003163 >>719006671 >>719007790
>>718992736 (OP)
Bros if I spent 4 hours a day learning Japanese from scratch how long would it take to get semi fluent?
Anonymous No.719003163
>>719002972
1 year I guess. if you include speaking and production, stretch it to 2~3 years
moonrunes took me 2 years but I'm a lazy fuck. at least I can write obscure shit no one cares about like ็ฉฟ้‘ฟ from memory
Anonymous No.719004013
>>719002570
This is how school felt to me
Anonymous No.719004128 >>719004386 >>719004462 >>719004616 >>719005869 >>719006360
>>718992736 (OP)
Tips for kanji?
Anonymous No.719004386 >>719004616 >>719005608 >>719007352
>>719004128
Read.
Anonymous No.719004462 >>719005608
>>719004128
>look up words that use that moonrune (makes typing it easier too)
>look up the rikusho
>5 categories compounds fall into (similar meaning, opposites, former modifies latter, latter is object or complement of former, former negates latter)
>look up meaning and etymology (naritachi)
>take advantage of sound and meaning components (see keisei moji)
>find some funny image or mnemonic people use to remember it. pic related
the autists who study for kanken probably have loads more tips
Anonymous No.719004616 >>719005608
>>719004128
pretty much this >>719004386
if you want you could do that weird kanji book where you learn to associate mr t with kanji, but it only helps if you are doing a lot of reading anyway
Anonymous No.719004763 >>719005552
Is there any type of app or course I could do? My adhd brain will not allow me to just sit there and look up random shit every day, I will get too distracted and forget.
Anonymous No.719005250
>>718994490
Simply don't get filtered?
For browsers there is 10ten (formerly known as rikaichamp).
For video games use OCR, when you hit a character/word you don't know.

And the Japanese simply do it like you do with English.
Anonymous No.719005349
>>718992736 (OP)
is there any japanese game worth playing anymore
Anonymous No.719005523 >>719009328
Is there a good anki deck for drilling grammar?
Anonymous No.719005535
>japanese will now come with big asses
A silver lining for every cloud
Anonymous No.719005552
>>719004763
>My adhd brain will not allow me to just sit there and look up random shit every day
Might as well give up then. You have to regularly invest time into this if you want to get anywhere. Especially if your only exposure to the language is the kind you have to actively seek out.
Anonymous No.719005608
>>719004386
>>719004462
>>719004616
Okay
Anonymous No.719005631
>>718992736 (OP)
What is the point? They don't make anything, censored their own industry, also anime and manga, and stopped making good shit anyway because japs are too interested in gambling slop, every studio has gaijin and other gaijin in and out of japan complain about anything they don't like and japan gives in
>incest and other taboos censored
>VNs dead
>outfits censored
>girls censored
>dialog censored
>loli probably completely banned within a decade
Anonymous No.719005740
Apologize
Anonymous No.719005869 >>719006161
>>719004128
The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course
Anonymous No.719006049
>>718994490
Learn. Read. Repeat. Pattern recognition is magic.
Anonymous No.719006161
>>719005869
Thanks too
Anonymous No.719006267
>>718992736 (OP)

Ishiba is the stupidest motherfucker and refuses to step down even though his rating is at rock bottom
Anonymous No.719006360
>>719004128
be born in Japan
Anonymous No.719006671
>>719002972
Start off by building your foundation. Memorize hiragana, katakana, and some basic (N5) Kanji. Read/watch basic grammar guides, such as cure dolly and tae kim. At this stage, your time should mostly be spent doing rote memorization. However, it is incredibly inefficient to stay in the rote memorization phase too long, and you need to start building your vocabulary through immersion. Start by reading and listening to articles on NHK Easy as this is designed specifically for anyone learning Japanese. Download Anki and find a vocabulary deck, preferably one with both audio and example sentences. There are some good core 2k decks. By the end of your first month, your should have all hiragana and katakana memorized and you should have finished your chosen grammar guide. At this point I would recommend something like only 20-30 minutes a day of rote memorization through Anki, then 2.5-3.5 hours of active immersion. Watch anime (or vtubers or whatever) in Japanese with Japanese subtitles and read manga with Kanji and furigana. However, for true immersion, you need to simply expose yourself to the language as much as possible. That means if you learned audio earlier in the day, replay it the background later (don't count this as study time). Watch and rewatch, read and reread. Note that these will not nurture your speaking or writing skills. You need to find actual fluent Japanese speakers and try writing or speaking to them to build those skills. However, the JLPT will not test those skills. If your goal is to pass the JLPT, you need to spend more time memorizing individual Kanji and grammar points through rote memorization. You should not spend so much time learning Kanji if you just want to immerse; just learn vocabulary and you will learn the Kanji naturally. Do this and you will notice the results after a year.
Anonymous No.719007352 >>719008802 >>719009508
>>719004386
What about writing words that you just can't remember normally (even when running them through Anki for months)? Since that's the way Japanese memorize them it should be pretty effective, right?
Anonymous No.719007790
>>719002972
>4 hours a day
Not to invite any laziness here, but don't go too hard with the daily hours. Shit will take years of daily practice no matter what you do.
Find an amount of time that you can plan into your day every day without getting sick of it or creating any "lol no time today. Guess I'll have to skip my jap" situations.
Anonymous No.719008802 >>719009328
>>719007352
When you write out a Kanji stroke by stroke, you only build the skill of learning that one Kanji's stroke order, not its practical use or sound. You also must continue writing that Kanji out in order to retain that skill, which becomes a significant time investment for complicated Kanji. Like any skill, it only sticks with you if you use it. Ask yourself: are you ever going to be in a situation where you need to write Kanji? Most people these days, even in Japanese, type rather than write. The Kanji ๆ„Ÿ for example is very complicated to write, but it is only two key presses, ใ‹ and ใ‚“. I learned this one through reading, and I have a good feel for its meaning. I wouldn't be able to write it out, but I doubt I will ever need to. It is simply more efficient to learn by reading, listening, or watching, unless you need to learn how to write by hand.
Also if you are not encountering that Kanji anywhere except Anki, then you need to ask if it is even worth learning.
Anonymous No.719009328 >>719009819
>>719005523
>deck for grilling grammar
I would only browse the deck. I don't think you can drill grammar with it (i.e. flip a and hit good within 5 seconds)
you have the dictionary of japanese grammar deck(english) and a nihongo-kyoshi one(in japanese)
>>719008802
>you only build the skill of learning that one Kanji's stroke order
absolutely wrong
if you know ๆฐธ you can easily write ๆณณ
>only sticks when you use it
faggot just do ็ฉบๆ›ธใ and you'll be ok
>ๆ„Ÿ
that's just ใƒŽ(ใฎ) mixed with ๆˆˆ(ใ‹ใฎใปใ“) (common combination), โ”€(ใ‚ˆใ“ใฎใ›ใ‚“), ๅฃ(ใใก), finish the ๆˆˆ(ใ‹ใฎใปใ“) enclosure, ๅฟƒ(ใ“ใ“ใ‚)
wow so hard
Anonymous No.719009503
>>718993041
ใ‚“igger
Anonymous No.719009508
>>719007352
Certainly helped me. Whenever I read something and encounter a word I don't know, I write it down twice and re-read that text passage again the next day to check if it stuck at least a bit. Works better for me than anki.
Anonymous No.719009645 >>719010237
I will never get how tards can be filtered by Kanji it's the easiest shit ever, it's not a hard process but a long process but they probably fell onto the trap of /djt/ subhumans who claimed that you're ngmi if you haven't reached n1 in 6 months.
Meanwhile all the most prolific foreign teachers or native level foreigners all say it took them 10 if not 15+ year to reach a good level.
>Muh Matt
This cringe fuck has never been once heard doing an actual convo where he wasn't shitting himself trying to be as correct as possible and spewing like 3 sentences at most.
He reminds me of myself when I learn english and tried to make it my personality lmao, never forget an honest mediocre speaker will ALWAYS be more appreciated than a proficient poser.
Anonymous No.719009786
>>719002570
Literally me
Anonymous No.719009819 >>719010252
>>719009328
You completely missed the point, you genuine retard
Don't @ me
Anonymous No.719010237
>>719009645
>a long process
Answered your own question.
Anonymous No.719010252
>>719009819
writing helps. deal with it sperg. just because you're content being half-literate doesn't mean everyone is
Anonymous No.719010873
>>718992736 (OP)
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Anonymous No.719011457 >>719012208
what's the best book to learn japanese grammar?
Anonymous No.719012208
>>719011457
I'd just look up shit on the go as I encounter it.
>the 3 dictionaries of japanese grammar
>a handbook of japanese grammar patterns for teachers and students (alternative to the above)
>sites like bunpro or nihongo-kyoshi net, etc.
>some other grammar handbook in jap for teachers of japanese (optional, in japanese)
litter.catbox moe/5tikhbcs57gvsl5i.pdf (beginner)
litter.catbox moe/tvu6smpt7jj9s79h.pdf (intermediate+advanced)
alternatively you can work your way through a textbook (and workbook) but that takes time