Thread 719008250

I'd love to see another Sly Cooper game to finally get the taste of Thieves in Time out of my mouth.

I'd love a soft reboot where you play as Sly and Carmelita's son, who discovers his heritage, rebels against his parents and builds his own Cooper Gang. Sly has to bail him out at the end of each chapter, accidentally teaching him the core moves from the Thevius Racoonus by example. Each time Sly gets closer and closer to blowing his cover before he finally has to reveal the truth and sacrifice himself to save Carmelita and their son one last time, having reconciled his double life and realized that the police alone can't solve the problems he used to solve for them. And that his son ought to follow in his footsteps. As a result, Sly's son takes up the name Sly Cooper IV. Hence the name of the game.

This plot is too Kino to exist in this gay universe. Sorry.

>>719008250 (OP)
Gayest shit I ever read on this site

>>719008250 (OP)
Thieves in time was good. The only flaw is 1 story moment at the end of the game

>>719008250 (OP)
Those animated movies with the sexy wolf guy is all you get, sly cooper fans

>>719008250 (OP)
I'm still waiting for Sly Coomer to come out.

>>719009452
What the fuck are you talking about? Penelope's Character development is totally walked back, against her entire arc in the previous game. Every single character acts like a caricature of themselves. The models are ugly, the villains don't live up to the previous games, the story is contrived, most of the Ancestors either aren't fun to play, or are almost indistinguishable from Sly himself, the minigames suck, instead of establishing jobs diegetically with the binocucom you just get a totally disconnected panning shot, and the final boss fight is just a QTE sequence.

The only things Thieves in Time has going for it is that Sanzaru knew what they were doing with the core mechanics and level design. And they brought back the clue bottles. It had decent bones, but all the stuff on top of them was rotted to shit.
It's perfectly engineered to make fans hate it. It's not a total mechanical disaster that you just throw your hands up and quit before you see the worst of it. So you end up experiencing the whole miserable thing because the core game is just good enough to keep you playing.
I hate it much more than if it were simply an incompetent mess from the ground up. That would just be a disappointment. But Thieves in Time isn't a disappointment, it's a fucking slight against the whole rest of the series that I'm still not over.
I know exactly how that Mass Effect 3 guy felt.

I was replaying Sly 2, and honestly my issue is "Jump in the air, and press Circle". The platforming is so guided it felt kinda boring.

>>719008250 (OP)
I’d like to see a resurgence of Mascot games in general, but honestly I doubt it will ever happen. I’m hoping if Bubsy 4D is successful it might make studios who own the rights to Mascot characters take a shot with some AA continuations and not fuck it up with hard reboots or take the ip too seriously

>>719010121
That's the whole series.
And the Thief Moves aren't the challenge. The real challenge is in figuring out your timing so you don't hit obstacles or get seen by guards. And it's not as if there isn't also some decently challenging platforming that doesn't use the thief moves at all, mostly in the first game, to be sure. But it stays there throughout the series in some capacity.

His son/daughter should be an undercover cop so you get both sides of their parents.

>>719008856
>>719009268
The duality of man.

>>719008250 (OP)
>Sly's son takes up the name Sly Cooper IV.
He'd be the second.

>>719010198
I want a new Rocket Knight that isnt like the last trash game.

Sly should have stuck with formual of the first game with its Crash/DKC inspired linear stages instead of the rather boring open level stealth stuff they later did.

>>719010462
Or they have twins, and one kid becomes a thief while the other becomes a cop.

>>719011185
Cool if you preferred the first, but I thought it felt like a tech demo compared to what they did with Sly 2 and all its characters.

How would one make an indie game that would recapture the soul of this series? How similar could you make it without it being a cheap clone?

>>719011986
Depends how much you want to copy really.

>>719008250 (OP)
I liked Thieves in Time just fine but it didn't sell well enough for Sony to keep the series going, which sucks. Sly Cooper always got the least attention of Sony's scrimblo franchises even though it takes place in a very fun world and oozes with style. Also, the fox.

>>719015580
Carmelita Fox is literally my wife and I am a human male.

>>719008250 (OP)
Sly is over, kiddo.
4 was a mistake.

>>719009452
T. Sanzaru

>>719011308
Yeah, 2 is when they truly found their game.

>>719008250 (OP)
Remake the first game and give it the same gameplay style as 2/3

>>719008250 (OP)
That's a pretty good reboot idea. Too bad Sucker Punch only makes sandbox (more like litterbox) stuff now.

In your game is Carmelita still a cop? That would add an extra layer of drama methinks.

>>719010120
The only ancestor worth a shit in that game was tennesse kid, but only cause his gameplay was decent, until uou have the realization of "wait a second, this is just a shooter now, im not even playing a sly game anymore"
But yeah, penelope was just the worst ever
They couldnt even bother to come up with a shit new oc to justify le paradoxs time travel, like with the rest of his crew, they had to bring og triology down even more
The worst part is that during interviews, the sanzaru people would say that they had suckerpunch people come in to overview development. No way in hell they would allow shit to go this bad, unless by the time they came in, they kinda already had everything done and set, and they were like, "this shit is garbage fucking fix it" and thats how we got a tease of a potential change of heart for penelope at the last second in the credits. And of course the shitty sequel hook. That storyline will probably never finish, as we havent heard of sanzaru since the game launched, probably fuckin went under, as thats how it is in this day and age, but thats okay.
They can just port the triology to new consoles forever, and people will have the means to play it

>>719008250 (OP)
TiT was great and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't

>>719017041
3 had its moments with some of the heist sequences, but it felt a lot like spyro 3 with all the extra scrimblos and their minigame bloat

>>719018362
>flanderized all the characters
>turned sly into an unfunny faggot asshole who takes nothing seriouly
>turned murray into "the fat retarded one"
>turned bently into a literal nothingburger
>turned carmelita into a prop
>turned all of sly's ancestors into faggots
>horrible villains, of which I remember the names of absolutely none of them

There is so much wrong with Sly 4 that it genuinely hurts to think about. First time I played it, I knew that it was going to be a bad ride the second Sly said, despite having a good life and a loving relationship with the woman of his dreams, that he felt the itch to steal and "just HAD to pull another heist."

Fuck Sly 4, fuck Sanzuru Games, fuck retarded ass fanfic tranny writers, fuck niggers, fuck mods, fuck jannies, and fuck (YOU) specifically.

>Wanted to add an Egypt level but the PS Vita version couldn't handle it
>Repurpose the episode as DLC and end the game with the cliffhanger
>Sony doesn't greenlit it
Everything about how this series ended is so fucking stupid, from needing to bend the knee to the Vita to ending a game unfinished when you don't even know if you can end it properly just hurts. Sly Cooper is such a great series it still pains me years later these fucks couldn't do it right and fucked off to make Sonic Boom games before getting bought out by Facebook to make VR games

Sly did not have to have the fucking "itch" to steal. He did not have to betray Carmelita and then act like a total fucking faggot afterwards ("I'll call you! :D").

All they fucking had to do in the intro was have it so that Bentley discreetly contacts Sly about the disappearing pages of the Thievious Raccoonus under Carmelita's nose, explain the seriousness of the situation, then plan the heist in secret in hopes that they can fix things without Carmelita being the wiser. Then you can have Carmelita bust in, have the heartbreak moment, then Sly feels like an asshole and is like "I promise it's not what it looks like" or some shit as she blasts away with her shock pistol.

I just fixed the intro to Thieves in Time. Now someone has to fix the rest of it.

There was no way 4 was going to be a contrived plot, everything about the entire series had its finality with 3 and any attempt to redo the series was inevitably going to ruin that finality.

>>719020809
I think TiT could have worked if the writers weren't fanfic-tier levels of retarded

It really sucks that TiT is as bad as it is, when it's got a strong groundwork to build off of. Most anyone I've seen praise the game have never played the originals, and without that knowledge, I can see how the game would be fine. Also that the game just ignores previous characterizations and plots, typical different author handling your work like hero comics.

Main issue is nu-Sony would never do anything with the series nowadays that wasn't a cash-grab. Even that horrendous movie trailer years ago that thankfully never came out.

>>719020916
I honestly think the level design in Sly 4 is the best of the series. I remember the first time exploring the first level and I had a blast. It's just the rest of the game that's so fucking dogshit. The way Sly controls is especially egregious. He feels very off compared to the PS2 games and it's just not fun to run around the hubs with him because of that.

>>719021102
Generally the game design is fun all round, but it's all these little niggles that add up to an annoying experience. All this talk makes me wanna load back up the ps3 and HD collection again.

>>719021409
Play the PS2 versions instead, if you can. Even emulating the PS2 versions would be better. The PS3 versions have some fucky lighting that mess with the look of things, especially in Sly 3.

>>719021505
My main issue is my UK autism, where they are all stuck at 50Hz. I think it'd be better to emulate yeah.

>>719020916
Its not just that, mascot platformers are just dead nowadays, a relic of the 90s, sony wouldnt be caught dead investing in that, even tho astrobot was such a smash hit, and then they complain they dont have any IPs to work with

>>719021871
>Astro Bot performs well
>Fans love Crash 4
>Many indie platformers are directly inspired by classic IPs

This is why we need the return of A-AA level games, rather than these mega movie tier budget games.

>>719021767
Then yeah, emulate them. They're pretty much perfectly accurate anyways, though Sly 2 has an issue with anti-aliasing unless you're using Software mode which kinda defeats the purpose.

>>719008250 (OP)
Solid idea anon, shame this ain't a perfect world.
>>719020012
This, it was alright gameplay wise, but for a character/story important series like Sly its ass.

>Sly 3
>Sly is being crushed to death by a giant mutated beast
>Thinks he's gonna die and realizes he doesn't want to do this thieving stuff anymore and wants to spend the rest of his life with Carmelita
>Sly 4
>The old itch came back lol

>>719018142
>as we havent heard of sanzaru since the game launched, probably fuckin went under, as thats how it is in this day and age, but thats okay.
The studio is still around, they just got bought by Facebook back in 2020.

>>719022613
This is going to be a hot take and I fully expect someone to shit on me:

The Sly Cooper games never had truly great gameplay. Sly 1 is the closest to being a game with some actual difficulty and thought required to beat it, especially if you go after the time trials. Sly 2 and 3, meanwhile, just kinda feel like autopilot platformers with no real challenge. The minigames, as mundane as they are, actually generally have more challenge to them than the actual platforming and exploration.

Now, this talk may just be the result of me beating these games as many times as I did, but each subsequent playthrough makes it clearer and clearer that the gameplay itself doesn't hold up. The series is absolutely HARD carried by the story, characters, presentation, and artstyle.

I love these games to absolute death, but if I didn't love the storylines and character dialogue as much as I do, these games would be a 4/10 at best.

>>719021505
You can buy emulated versions of the PS2 games for $10 each on PS4/5, the new trophies they added for them are neat

>>719022704
>>719020337
>>719008250 (OP)
I love these sly faces, my favourite one is the one he makes during the insult fight in the pirate chapter, where hes seething so hard he looks like hes taking a shit, its so fucking funny

The worst part about 4's ending is that (assuming they want it to be canon) then in the event of a future game
>They're still gonna have to use time travel as a plot point to get Sly back
>Penelope is gonna be a villain again (she escaped prison)
They basically set up a 5th game to be of a "Thieves in Time Part 2"

>Sony attempted a Sly and Ratchet Clank vidya movie run in the mid 2010's
>The Ratchet and clank movie bombed so badly that they canned the Sly movie despite putting out a trailer for it

Shame this attempt didn't come like 5 years later when Sony Animation weren't a complete fucking joke

>>719023040
The ONLY way I would accept a Sly 5 is if they did a recap of Sly 4 at the beginning and it's revealed that it's just a silly bedtime story that Sly is telling to his son with Carmelita.

Then the son gets kidnapped and Sly has to go back to his gang to save him because Interpol are fucking useless

>>719023140
>Shame this attempt didn't come like 5 years later when Sony Animation weren't a complete fucking joke
Yeah, I think they could make a genuinely great Sly film now.

>>719023112
>Come on-a, everyone's a heard of Tony "the janny" B. You're the terror of every board from here to /mlp/!

>>719020470
The problem is that Sly 3 kind of left things in an uncomfortable place because Sly and Carmelita were basically starting their new relationship on a lie-- Carmelita lying to an "amnesiac" Sly Cooper telling him he was her partner at Interpol and not a thief, and Sly lying about having amnesia. If they were going to do another game it was inevitable that the story was going to have shit hit the fan because eventually Carmelita was going to find out Sly was lying to her about having amnesia.

And while Carmelita was also lying to Sly (even though he was playing along with it), she did it from a place of wanted to give Sly a clean slate, even if you could interpret it as being from a place of selfishness since she loved Sly and didn't want him to go to prison. In Sly's case, he wanted to get the girl and still dodge taking responsibility for his thievery, which was unquestionably the more selfish and wrong of the two lies, and it came back to bite him later.

If Sly wanted to actually do the right thing, he would have turned himself in, and Carmelita, being of good character and having come to and understanding with Sly at this point, would undoubtedly have done everything she could to get him out of jail quickly, possibly by agreeing to work with her at Interpol. And, Sly could have returned the stolen treasures from his family vault-- his contribution to the Cooper family legacy being that he decided it was wrong to steal the world's treasures and hoard them in a vault forever.

Speaking of, where the hell did Sly even see things going with Carmelita? If and when they had a kid, was Sly just going to train them to be a thief secretly without Carmelita knowing, so they could keep the Cooper family business going and add more shit to the vault under her nose? I really don't think Sly thought that one through. Either go good or keep being a criminal, there was never going to be a third option.

>>719023140
If the trailer was anything to go by then maybe it's a blessing in disguise

>>719023140
>>719023687
They did make a Sly Cooper movie and it's called The Bad Guys.

>>719023459
Lad just has a thing for hot headed latinas
God bless the man

>>719023459
I agree with pretty much all of this. Sly 5 could have played out with the intro in my original post, then have whatever story happen in the middle. Then at the end, Sly does exactly what you said and turns himself in. Carmelita, who loves Sly, uses whatever power she has to get him an easy break. Interpol, having already had experience with Sly working under them (and presumably doing a fantastic job), could be willing to allow Sly to continue to work in the force after he serves his sentence. It's a cartoon, you can apply whatever logic you want to why they would let Sly off easy.

As for the Cooper Vault, eh, I feel less enthusiastic about having him "give back" all the stolen treasure. I think it would have been better if it was completely destroyed with the island. I think that's my one criticism of Sly 3's story. It would have been really symbolic for the Vault to be completely lost instead of having Bentley and the gang recover what they could when the island collapsed.

As for where Sly thought things were going, he's always had a very impulsive personality. He never really thinks ahead. He just goes with the motion. He saw an opportunity to possibly be with Carmelita and took it, future consequences be damned. Those bridges can be crossed in the future, no need to think about them in the present.

>>719023985
>Sly 5

I meant Sly 4

>>719023964
I'd get a Latina GF if she'd RP as Carmelita.

>>719023958
>>719018362
Where's the toilet? I need to vomit.

>>719024165
You may have to tank a few shocks to the dick, i hope you are ready for that

>>719008250 (OP)
>Wanting something sucker punch related after ghost of transvestite.
No.

>>719024407
SP has already abandoned the Sly IP, if a new game happens Sony is going to have to pick the studio for it. Maybe Toys for Bob would do a trilogy remake.

>>719008250 (OP)
>[Kill them all]
>[Kill them all]
>[Kill them all]

>>719024585
>TFB

NO GOD

PLEASE

NO

FUCK

DON'T LET THEM RUIN THE FUCKING PERFECT ART STYLE OF THE SLY COOPER TRILOGY

FUCK YOU FOR EVEN POSITING THAT IDEA

>>719024407
>still seething over samurai KINO
Furfags are truly the most lowly of subhumans.

>>719008250 (OP)
>my life is now just reconciling my feelings of wanting classic games from my childhood to come back and then realizing what that would look like under modern devs

you dont want modern (((sony))) getting their hands on carmelita

>>719024407
The SP that made Sly is not the same SP of today.
Well, really, [studio] that made [great game from 20 years ago] is not the same [studio] of today. Not many devs stick around for that long.
>>719025127
>DON'T LET THEM RUIN THE FUCKING PERFECT ART STYLE OF THE SLY COOPER TRILOGY
This was a problem with 4 too, unless they get Dev back it just ain't the same

>>719025494
Sony cares fuck all what you make the game about or how it looks they only care about you not crossing the budget line. They are more merciful than people even realize. They had studios that never produced a profitable game for a decade and still hold on to them. Look at the people behind Siren and Gravity Rush. All of their games were huge flops and sony funded them for 20 years.

>>719017694
Why did OP never reply to me? :(

>>719011185
Sorry anon, you're wrong. Sly 2 is one of the best videogames ever made.

>>719008250 (OP)
If there is something i've learned over the years is that every single time family squabbling is part of the plot, it will inevitably derail whatever cool thing is happening. I know there's an audience for this soap opera shit, but i play the Sly games for the Ocean's-style heists.

>>719027893
Christ these fucking retards did everything wrong.

>>719008250 (OP)
Alright, inform a zoomer on how Thieves in Time was bad. Simple answer only.

>>719025350
If it ever happens, you just know they're gonna double down on claiming Carmelita was right in taking advantage of what she perceived as an amnesiac Sly but at the same time they'll have her quit the police because the devs need to both have a girlboss and say acab every second to win fictional polls on social media.

>>719028238
Character assassination on pretty much the entire cast.

>>719027893
>BLACKED

Are you actual fucking idiots? Carmalita didn't buy the amnesia line Sly gave at the end of 3, she saw he was willing turn over a new leaf and she offered him an out, it's not about deceit, but about both of them meeting each other half-way, Sly renounces his criminal past, and Carm chooses to let sleeping raccoons lie and chooses to "believe" it.

>>719028238
>Flanderized the characters (Sly is always cocky, Murray only thinks about food, Carmelita is an annoying brat, Bentley is relatively the same)
>Tease Dimitri as part of the gang in promos only to be a cutscene-only character
>Ancestors are just Sly clones with one or two unique abilities
>Whatever the fuck they were thinking with Penelope
>Most gadgets are gone
>Mostly unmemorable villains
>QTE final boss
>Cliffhanger ending
>Loading times comparable to Sonic 06

>>719028589
Nice headcanon, bro. Unfortunately, that's not said at any point in the games, you're just coping with how bad the ending of Sly 3 was and how TiT did nothing to improve it but in fact made it worse.

>719028796
I was almost about to seriously respond but realized it was bait, so have a half reply

>>719009452
>Thieves in Time was good
It was passable and had a fairly good amount of nostalgia bait but
>bad characterization
>Mission design worse than 2 and 3 fairly often
>cooper ancestors barely playable
>Carmelita plot regression
>too much blatant furry pandering
It was very alright. It could have been better. The plot kind of derails past the first zone as well. Fun game though

>>719027893
>Sly was happy to see Carmelita shake her ass for a bunch of apes
Unironically cuck behavior

>>719028238
>Mission design is worse
>characters more flat
Those two alone are pretty damning

>>719027893
I wonder if "making a furry shake her ass" was something Sony envisioned developers using SIXAXIS for when they were creating PS3

I think a sequel to 3 would need to be Sly being a James Bond style special agent. This would keep the sneaking, sabotage and vehicle/gadget sections without ruining his new life with Carmelita. The claw gang was already an international crime ring so the story would be in familiar territory.

i miss my nigga Bentley like crazy

>>719022613
>MILF Carmelita
Muh dick

>>719023459
as a kid i just imagined carmelita and sly both knew they were bullshitting eachother. rewatching the end of 3 feels like sly just gave her a hook and she played along
that said, 4 should've cleared what was going on soon, it's not like sly doesn't have a good reason with the spacetime being fucked with and especially targeting him

>>719008250 (OP)
Are these games good? I never hear anyone wax nostalgic on them.

>>719023112
in the italian dub they had the guards speak with a venice accent while sly tries a stock mafioso accent, which is completely out of the mark

>>719032582
play 2, if you like the characters play 1, if you like the gameplay play 3

>>719011231
What if they're also fraternal twins hahaha

>>719028238
og trilogy is lord of the ring
TiT is rings of power

>>719010967
The idea is that Sly's father is retconned to be a Sylvester Cooper III, with an original Sylvester Cooper coming somewhere before him who just never came up before because he was the one to develop the ledge walking technique you start with in the first game. (Sly's father taught it to him early, as a treat. The "Blue Auras" just didn't appear until he got serious.)

>>719017694
She would be. That's why Sly is hiding the fact that he's bailing out their son. It would reveal that the Amnesia thing was fake all along and he'd blow his cover, because he'd still be working at Interpol with her. He'd slowly come to the realization that even together the two of them are just incapable of doing as much good as he ever did with the Cooper Gang outside of the law. (Interpol couldn't even capture Raleigh or Muggshot without Sly's involvement doing the work for them. And they got totally subverted on multiple levels by the fucking Klaww gang to the point one of their highest ranking personnel was obviously a member of the gang the whole time and no one did anything about it. Then in 3, they were totally useless again and probably still corrupt.)

>>719032582
Yes. They have fantastic characters and a really compelling story across all three games. If you like Crash a lot, you'll like the first game more than the other two, but the other two are great.

>>719032865
What? No, start with 1. If you like 2, it would suck to go backwards because they're fundamentally different games and you're missing most of the gang's character development and background that way. Play them in order. Sly 1 isn't that long, unless you go for all the Master Thief Sprints, which you don't need to do at all, unless you want to.

>>719032865
>>719032582
>didnt answer your question
theyre good, the better ps2 mascot games, if you liked jnd youll like 2. also the music is great

>>719032865
fuck off, 1 is like 5 hours long and sets the groundwork for the characters in 2

>>719027893
>like smut of Carmelita
>hate this sequence
Anyone else like me here?

>>719033530
shes moving too fast with those stick like hips because they made her torso longer

>>719032273
Artist is SlyC_CFox, they got art of Sly and Carm, as well as fan kids.

>>719010120
>Every single character acts like a caricature of themselves
>sly fucks up his quiet life and goes back to thievery.... Because he's bored and likes stealing okay
Why the fuck did they think those chimps could've handled a game by themselves just because they did a scuffed port job.

>>719033726
secret Cooper technique taught in the thievius raccoonus

>>719033530
They technically sexualized Carmelita's design MORE in Thieves in Time, but she looked like shit anyway. And she doesn't even move in an appealing way in this minigame.

>>719034005
Mechanically speaking, they did. Almost at least. If Thieves in Time weren't such an abysmally written mess and it had an actual budget behind it, it could have been good, which is worse than if it were dogshit all around and could be safely ignored as shovelware.

>>719008250 (OP)
I agree it needs an ending because the ending writes itself given the introduction to time travel bullshit.

The grand finale is Sly himself in some past timeline being aided by his friends in other timelines.

With the final heist being the macguffin that will permanently end the Cooper’s as a family of thieves. Make it the thieveus raccoonus or some shit. By extension, by stealing it, it represents a thief’s magnum opus. Sly will “steal” the most precious item in all of the universe, across all of time, his lived experience with his friends and loved ones. It will rewrite history to where none of the games happened.

In the new present day timeline, By coincidence or fate, the gang still managed to become friends. At Bentley and Penelope’s (she’s not longer crazy) wedding, Sly gives some toast to a better future or some shit turns to the camera, and winks

>>719008250 (OP)
Another thing, I hate how the characters look in Sly 4.

>>719033530
Yeah, the character design is worse and the sequence feels kind of awkward and out of character. So it doesn't hit like it should.

>>719035043
Obligatory

>>719035154
an upgrade

>>719035154
We need to kill whoever was the chara designer.

>>719008250 (OP)
Naughty Dog Tier writing.

>>719037362
Sly 1 feels like a first run of an obscure comic book from the time, which is great. Sly 2 feels like its own thing, a heist movie but with furry characters in it. And Sly 3 feels like more of 2, but it started to lean too much on the side characters for interest.

The Sly games are basically just really concise comic books that don't waste any time.

>>719022875
You're not wrong.
"Jump and press the circle button" automatically doing most of the platforming for you severely limits the potential difficulty of said platforming. The stealth is too basic to be much challenge, and the combat has a few kinda hard fights here and there but never anything crazy.

>>719038395
Honestly the most fun I remember having with the gameplay was fighting pirate ships and dog fighting in airplanes in Sly 3. I also really enjoy any level that has Carmelita searching through the level for Sly. Lots of fun fucking around with her and doing chase sequences.

>>719038539
The games always had really good minigames. Even 1. I always thought they were too hard as a kid, but I ended up appreciating them when I came back to them years later

>>719008250 (OP)
>takes up the name Sly Cooper IV
You would need a Sly Cooper II and III first nigga

>>719040427
You can just write them in. Sly's father has never had a canon name within the context of the games. Just outside, noncommittal suggestions. Snd he seems like the kind of elitist who'd name his son after himself, especially if he was already named after another family member himself. Sly could easily be Sylvester Cooper III.

>>719022704
I honestly don't see what's wrong with this

Sly is a born-and-bred master thief. It's in his blood, it's his entire lineage, it's everything he's ever known. Sly has NEVER been anything that wasn't a thief.
What, he's supposed to just pull a 180 and live a legal, civilian life like it's nothing? He's just gonna turn around and be a different person for the rest of his life?

>>719025851
>The SP that made Sly is not the same SP of today.
You can say this about Naughty Dog, where most of their key creatives vanished surrounding the Uncharted trilogy.
But Sucker Punch actually still has a number of founding staff and have kept high-level creatives since at least the Sly games.
Nate Fox, who is kind of the face of the company these days, joined SP during production of Sly 1.

>>719040813
No, but he's never shown a supernatural compulsion for theft before, and the ending of the last game was the result of him feeling like the Cooper Vault was an arbitrary obligation rather than a reward or a legacy. He gives it up, partially because he realized what a bad guy his father was, between McSweeny being abandoned to rot in prison forever and it coming straight from the Baboon's mouth that Dr. M was taken advantage of by Sly's father.

Sly realized that every previous iteration of the Cooper Gang wasn't nearly as noble as the one he built for himself, and that being orphaned before he got the truth instead of the sterilized version is the only reason his gang turned out that way.

He realized all of that wealth was only ever meant to be hoarded there as trophies, that it was all meant for some familial ego, not the greater good in the sense that he had believed it to be. His father lied to him the whole time.

>>719032865
>if you like the gameplay play 3
But Sly 3 is inundated with half-baked minigames taking up most of your time
If you like the gameplay, Thieves in Time has much more of it, even if it makes you piss your pants and cry

>>719008250 (OP)
Kino story concept. Or you could have a 2 path campaign, one where you play cop, one as robber.

>>719041379
>partially because he realized what a bad guy his father was

What the fuck? Where exactly did you get this sense?

Sly 3 is the Canon ending.

>>719008250 (OP)
stealing this idea for a potential fanfic just so you know

>>719041379
>a supernatural compulsion for theft
What the hell
Have you never formed a habit? There's nothing supernatural about this.
His entire life, from birth to adulthood, was living as a thief. You don't just stop being who you are at the drop of a hat.
>and the ending of the last game was the result of him feeling like the Cooper Vault was an arbitrary obligation rather than a reward or a legacy
This is an entirely separate conversation but I fucking hate the Cooper Vault as a concept and think it should be removed from canon
>he realized what a bad guy his father was
This is not in the game

>>719009923
this

i'm telling you the original are absolutely getting a demake in the next five years and the sexy furry bitches will all be censored
just let it exist in the past as a good thing
its over

>>719041748
The Sly games were not big enough for remakes or any further remasters. Be happy they re-released the PS2 versions for PS4/5 because that's all you're getting. MAYBE they'll port the PS3 remaster in the future.

God if they made a PC port I would fucking cum so hard

>>719040813
Exactly. Sly didn’t choose the thief life, the thief life ran in his veins. Expecting him to just give that up and go play house with Carmelita like it’s some cheesy sitcom epilogue is missing the point of his character completely. The entire series builds him up as the culmination of generations of master thieves-he’s not just stealing for fun, he’s reclaiming a legacy, an identity. Dude literally read about his great-great-grandpa’s heists like bedtime stories. Sly in a 9-to-5 is more OOC than Bentley walking again.

>>719040813
The ENTIRE point is that lineage doesn’t define who you are. Sly’s own obsession with living up to his family’s legacy never got him closer to what he actually wanted, which was Carmelita. That’s why he gave it all up in the end.

>>719041906
See >>719041937

What was your most favorite level in the trilogy?

For me, it was Contessa's Castle.

>>719041937
Yes, I know that, we all know that.
I'm saying that it's not that easy, and it's completely realistic and believable for Sly to "relapse" like he does in Thieves in Time.

>>719040813
He was tired of this cat and mouse game he's been playing with Carmelita. If he wanted to keep thieving he would've escaped the Vault with Bentley and gone back with the gang. He voluntarily gave it all up, even leaving his cane behind, the literal key to his family's riches and the only thing left of his father. Bentley also became the Thievious Raccoonus' successor.
Sly was done with thieving and passed the torch to Bentley. He had pulled off the greatest heist in his career and managed to get with the girl he loved.
Sly has tremendous respect for his family name, but at the same time knew it didn't define who he is (unlike Tsao for example)

>>719041838
>God if they made a PC port I would fucking cum so hard
Just emulate them

>>719041379
What's it like being illiterate? Must be a struggle.

>>719041558
>>719041690
Sly starts getting disillusioned with the Cooper Vault the further he passes through it.
Dr. M trying to get Bentley on his side by revealing that he was mistreated by Sly's father, and alongside the fact that McSweeney was just left sitting in prison for 30+ years with no mention while Sly's family were living an isolated, aristocratic life, it doesn't paint the nicest picture of Sly's father. You have to read it between the lines.

Sly has to have been disillusioned with the Cooper Legacy in order for him to make such a sudden turn from being desperate to get into that vault, to being totally willing to let the whole thing be cleared out by all his friends while he swears off crime and resolves to live a lie just to be with the woman he loves.

>>719042038
It’s not. Especially not how it’s portrayed so flippantly in 4.

>>719042230
I want mods, Anon. I want custom levels. Custom missions. Skins. Playable Carmelita in every level of 3. Custom campaigns where you play as Interpol tracking down bad guys. Wacky zany multiplayer shit where you play as a team of 4 Carmelitas against 4 Slys.

>>719010121
>>719010331
I'm pretty sure these games are for kids. Sly 2 is fun and comfy though because of the level design.

>>719008250 (OP)
I've always imagined something like this for Jak, except the game would be partitioned between Jak and Keira's 2 children, a mute girl that plays like Jak 1 and an wannabe edgy boy that's trying to rebel and find excitement with with the new Haven City guard. Jak and Daxter would be out in space doing shit for the precursors or something.
Plot would be about dark eco proving to be too dangerous an energy source for Haven City so girl has to go reopen the eco vents so the world can flow with eco like it did before. Boy would be kinda dicking around in Haven City, managing threats from gangers, rogue Krimzon Guard revivalists, remnants of KG death bots, metal head cells, maybe dark makers too, all culminating into Gol and Maia returning and trying to flood the world with dark eco again.
Oh and daxter would have a kid for each of Jak's kid. I think a good balance would be a nerdy, cowardly one for the girl and a sorta lazy, moody one for the boy to butt heads with.
Also you'd have to have an obligatory "play as superpowered no nerfs at all and with new crazy powers" thing with Jak during the "all is lost" moment.
Really, even if the story was wrapped up fairly well, I just find Jak's world and plot by far the most interesting of the 3 PS2 platformers even if i liked the R&C series the most. All the factions were really cool.

>>719042293
>Dr. M trying to get Bentley on his side by revealing that he was mistreated by Sly's father
Dr. M is not trustworthy and he is very clearly trying to manipulate Bentley.
>McSweeney was just left sitting in prison for 30+ years with no mention while Sly's family were living an isolated, aristocratic life
But McSweeney says and does nothing that shows ill will towards Sly's father.
>Sly has to have been disillusioned with the Cooper Legacy in order for him to make such a sudden turn
There it is. He HAS to have been. It's prescriptive. That's why this "development" of Sly's only happens in the last episode, instead of being woven throughout the game. It's not an arc, it's a requirement.

At this point I'm just getting into how Sly 3 was written and the choices made with the narrative, which is an entirely different conversation and spoilers, I don't fucking like any of it.

>>719042316
OK buddy, why don't you drop something you've been doing--and enjoying--for your entire life, and tell me how long you last before you want to do it again.

>>719042686
Dr. M's bitterness and obsession with the Cooper Vault have to come from somewhere. It would fit with everything else we've seen in the series for him to have been massively slighted by Sly's father while he went off to live in luxury. Sly's father did nothing for McSweeney, who had been in prison since before Sly was born, so it's not just that he had continued being a criminal and gotten arrested at a later date.
McSweeney is just that loyal that he's still caught up in whatever grandiose narrative he was sold. Dr. M wasn't. He got fucked over and it turned into a lifelong vendetta.

>>719022952
glad to see my old crop still being used

>>719025350
yeah, wanting revivals just isn't worth it
best we can hope for are good native ports to pc
that's all i want

>>719042293
There's reading between the lines and there's total fabrication. Dr. M has a chip on his shoulder for reasons that we only get his side of the story for. Sly expresses nothing but awe at what his family's accomplished. Trying to recontextualize all that negatively just because he quits thieving doesn't work. It's more likely that he still views all that positively but wanted to move on to something more personally fulfilling, having lived his life thus far in pursuit of reclaiming and protecting his family's legacy. Having accomplished that, he was free to fake amnesia and give Carmelita the raccoon cock.

>>719042415
Yeah, not a single one of those things would ever actually get made except maybe some skins and the ability to play any character at any time.

>>719043076
It sounds like you're filling in blanks to reach a conclusion for which there is not enough evidence within the actual text.

The Cooper Vault is the COOPER Vault, so of course it belongs to the Cooper lineage and not any co-conspirators.
Dr. M is insecure and projects a self-image of dominance and superiority. He believes his intellect entitles him to greatness. This is laid bare in his conversation to Bentley. To him, the Vault is a monument to his being second fiddle.
That's what it's really about. Sly's father has nothing to do with it. It could've been any Cooper.

>>719043432
You would be surprised what collective love for a game, combined with extreme crippling autism can breed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnel1LO34K4

>>719027893
look at her fucking ribs
>>719033530
i think of it as trying to hard
we didn't need them to go so hard on the "UH WINK WINK DAE CARMELITA HOT!!??!?!?" shit, people were already hot on before hand, pointing it out so much just kills the vibe, it's like a parent trying to horn in on an in-joke or corporation trying to co-opt a meme made by fans
the bad model did not help

>>719043076
You're 100% buying what Dr. M says and 100% dismissing what McSweeney says why? What makes you believe that it wasn't McSweeney's loyalty that came from somewhere and that Dr. M wasn't the one caught up in some grandiose narrative instead?

>>719042027
I really remember liking the first snowy hub in 2

>>719043550
That's a much simpler project for a less complicated game than what you're asking for.

>>719043614
Because Sly's father was living in a fancy house like a fucking aristocrat and neither McSweeney or Dr. M had shit. He didn't make sure they were taken care of. Sly goes out of his way to do that for every single member of the crew, even the ones who had only been there for a few months, and even the ones who had tried to kill him before.

McSweeney and Dr. M worked with Sly's father for years, maybe decades, and neither of them had anything to show for it. It's obvious both of them were fucked over, but they have two different perspectives on it, neither of which is likely to be the absolute truth.

>>719042027
the pirate place in sly 3. lost of thugs to fight and places to climb and glide to

I'd rather they continue Sly in Egypt. The game opens with a shadowy figure speaking highly of the cooper clan, explaining their great history and heroics... at times, the fun and adventure of being a Cooper. Time skips a few months and Sly's still in Egypt and having met with his ancient Egyptian ancestor along with his friend Clockwerk, who designs ancient robotics for the pharaoh. Sly finds out tut sly is planning a heist on the pharaoh that ends in disaster with Tut Sly unintentionally betraying Clockwerk, having left him holding the bag as he escapes with the pharaohs treasures. Clockwerk runs away and escapes through getting a hold of the time machine Murray and Bentley came in on, only for a more busted time machine to appear moments later for them to use to give chase. Clockwerk speeds through time were he sees the Cooper families history of success at his owns falling into obscurity due to being framed for something he never did. They chase him back through time seeing more of his family tree growing more and more angry as he passes by their success. He takes a detour back through prehistoric Sly's world and we see what happened then from another angle, this is were one of those secret Clockwerks from Sly 4 comes in specifically the one from the prehistoric era which was before ancient Egypt (I guess technically Clockwerk could have been some being from before the beginning of time, but I think grounding his origins in Egypt is more realistic I say while writing fan fiction about time traveling Raccoons) in that this is how Clockwerk learns of the immortality device, only he won't tell him because he has to learn it from a later Clockwerk for it to make sense and prevent a paradox.

>>719044000
eventually they get to before Sly 1 before Clockwerk sics the Fiendish five on Sly's father, this is were past Clockwerk learns the secret to immortality is hatred. Sly and his dad team up to defeat Past and future Clockwerk together, only for him to be beaten up and Sly realizing that this was the night he dies and it was due to the fight they were in making him incapable of defending himself fully before being forced back, when in reality it wasn't Sly's fault, and him stopping Clockwerk when they did gave him another day with his dad the same day he tells Sly about their family and gives him that sense of wonder to be just like him tieing back in with the games opening. Clockwerk is returned to the past and is imprisoned. Before leaving Bentley sends the time machine Clockwerk stole back to the past while they take the old one back to present day. It's a skeleton of a story, but I think better writers could flesh it out.

>>719043942
>Sly's father was living in a fancy house like a fucking aristocrat
This is the best look we have at Sly's childhood home by the way

>>719043837
Alright faggot, how about Donut Mod? There's tons of custom made levels and mission packs for Simpsons Hit and Run.

no one's gonna read all that shit, tripfag

>>719042027
Over the top Australianisms and Carmalarga make Rumble Down Under the best level in the entire franchise.

Plus I just love that sunset over the outback aesthetic.

>>719043546
>That's what it's really about. Sly's father has nothing to do with it. It could've been any Cooper.
This, M says it himself.
https://youtu.be/wDzLLB8eY8k?si=XSnWfxSvb-GFYBNf&t=30128

>>719044461
Wait whoops, wrong part, this is the scene.
https://youtu.be/wDzLLB8eY8k?si=6_j0u8hC8yRmIlCc&t=31693

>>719043584
Carmelita's character design was botched pretty bad when they made her 3D model. The cutscene model is a lot closer to the concept art and she looked a lot better.

>>719044630
Cutscene looks like dogshit too. they turned her into a fucking wolf. They turned all the fucking vaguely canine characters into goddamn wolves.

>>719028787
Unironically that's part of why I like 4 better than 3, at least 4 has more Sly Cooper gameplay even though it has about the same number of characters as Sly 3. Also, finally getting have Carmelita as a fully playable character was something fans had been wanting for a long time and in 4 they finally got it.

>>719044696
>The actual, honest to God furry character designer wasn't the one to fall to "Everything's a dog" Syndrome.
>It was the jobbers they foisted the series onto afterward.
Ironic.

>>719044696
>they turned her into a fucking wolf.
Brother have I got news for you

>>719044878
So chihuahuas are wolves too? And should be drawn to look like wolves?

>>719044878
Don't get semantic with me faggot, you know what I fucking mean. She looks like generic fucking furry dogslop shit.

>>719044983
OK but can you show me a wolf from the same artist to demonstrate that they are drawn the same

>>719043942
We don't actually know what Dr. M got out of it. We know he was unsatisfied, but we don't know if he was unsatisfied with peanuts or unsatisfied with an actual fortune. He definitely had resources. There's also a lot we don't know about McSweeney's situation. A prison break isn't something that just happens, especially one man down. And if Dr. M turned his back on the gang, that's even less help for such a mission. If Sly's dad can be accused of abandoning McSweeney, Dr. M can be accused of the same thing, especially given that the effort put into breaking into the vault could have likely freed McSweeney quickly.

All we know is that a single member of the gang had a grudge, and he doesn't seem like the most stable or reliable narrator. If the guy who was actually left with nothing has a fond opinion of Sly's dad, and the guy who still has his freedom and the resources to try to steal from, it says more about these particular characters than it does Sly's dad. Maybe Sly's dad really was a jerk, but we only get second hand accounts of him, and Dr. M has a clear superiority complex and his grievances are pretty vague.

>>719045072
No, because I don't know who the artist is. All I know is Carmelita, and every single other character in the game, look like fucking shit. Both in the 2D cutscenes (which look fucking horrible by the way and completely decimate the comic book artstyle the first three games went for with their cutscenes), and in game.

>>719038161
I hated that they got rid of the bottled clues in Sly 3, it made the levels feel really empty and broke the game economy because everything had to be bought from the thief shop, and there just wasn't enough money to get most of the upgrades until near the end of the game. It felt like a waste.

Also, I think adding all the extra characters made the game feel bloated and gimmicky. Most of the extra gang members were not fun to play as. They somehow made a kung fu master who can create fire with his hands be a slow and boring bomb planting mechanic. Like, how do you fuck up that badly? Sly's actual core thieving gameplay ended up feeling like it was taking a backseat to all the dumb minigames and gimmick characters which is why I don't like Sly 3 as much as I like the other games in the series, and I include Thieves in Time. Thieves in Time was basically back to basics re-creating Sly 2's gameplay loop and I think that's the strongest thing that game has going for it.

>>719044091
So he's just sitting with his gross rodent cock out while smoking in front of the kid?

>>719045364
The Cooper Gang freeballs. It's an ancient thieving technique.

>>719045148
>>719044091
You know what? You've convinced me. I've been living with the wrong impression for almost 20 years.

>>719045364
>raccoon
>rodent

>>719044696
Foxes are basically mini wolves and they are close relatives on the canid family tree. You don't seem to understand animal character designs very well.

>>719044974
>So chihuahuas are wolves too?
Yes, technically. A very small and embarrassed wolf with a bruised ego.

>>719044983
>>719045072
He doesn't know what he's talking about. Here is some art of Mr. Wolf and Diane Foxington from Genevieve Tsai, and she literally designed Carmelita in Thieves in Time (not the 3D model though). She currently works at Dreamworks.

In this style you can see she drew Mr. Wolf with a more exaggerated and boxy snout, which DIane Foxington obviously does not have. She's got a small and narrow snout that makes her look more delicate and feminine, and that's how Genevieve Tsai drew Carmelita Fox, too.

>>719045819
It's called an insult retard.

>>719045819
>>719046747
In a way "trash panda" is not actually entirely inaccurate. Raccoons are related to red pandas, who are not related to panda bears at all but were called pandas first. However raccoons are more closely related to skunks and even more closely related to the "weasel" family. They are all distantly related to bears, more distantly related to seals, and more distantly related still to dogs.

>>719041690
>not supernatural
>Sly's father skated on literal lasers and could turn invisible
I don't know, there's definitely quite a lot of unexplored shit going on

>>719047329
Slightly *less* distantly related to seals, my bad.

Imagine some prehistoric raccoon / weasel common ancestor just loafing around by the beach and going "i think I'll stay like this" when the tide came in.

>>719044000
Im probably reaching, but the dialogue Clockwerk rambles in the final battle in the first game seems to imply that he(maybe even she based on what is said)may have been slighted by the Cooper clan, or had something important stolen from them, that resulted in its immortal grudge against their lineage.

Thanks for confirming that there will be a new game some time within the next 5 years, shill. Seriously has anyone else noticed these inorganic threads that pretend to "predict" that a new game in a classic series is coming out only for it to be announced soon after. Sometimes they even "predict" features that will be in the new game an lo and behold, those same features are in.
Then if the game looks shit and people aren't hyped for it they have shills make artificial threads about the upcoming sequel and try to rile up hype through a false sense of band wagoning/FOMO. I am not falling for it. Not now, not ever

>>719047549
The series is full on unreliable Narrators but a lot of the naming and the context for the owl imply he's just very buttmad over the cooper clan somehow that we don't have definitive proof yeah. Sly's side implies that it was because the Coopers were just superior thieves though I believe that dialogue happens in 2

>>719047385
>they can do these fantastical things, which means that the completely grounded concepts of lifestyle habits and psychological dependence can't be the explanation for why Sly returns to being a thief, it has to be something magic!!!

>>719047591
The Sly Cooper series has a small but loving fandom that is always hoping and speculating that there might be a new game in the series someday, much the way it is with the Star Fox fandom. These threads show up periodically, we have our fun, joy and tears and then it goes back to being quiet for a while until someone makes another one. Someday I hope we will actually be rewarded for our patience and we'll see something new related to the IP but there's no ulterior motive behind these threads. People like the series and miss it, that doesn't mean there's a new game coming out or that Sony is ramping up some viral marketing campaign on 4chan to stir up interest.

>>719047716
Its the dialogue when you fight him and it's crashed into the lava. I tried to listen to the audio on its own many years ago and it seems to mention something about flowers, maybe even a wedding or something? It sounded like traumatic memories from its past. The canon I came up with at the time was Clockwerk was maybe someone getting married in the anchient past until a Cooper disrupted the event (stole a wedding ring?) and made the being who became Clockwerk seek revenge by becoming the supperior master thief.

Or it was just supposed to be insane rambling in its death spasms.

>>719047549
>>719047716
I'm pretty sure with the path that Thieves in Time was going, in the next game we were going to find out that Penelope is the one who robotized Clockwerk.

>>719008250 (OP)
Okay, here's the thing. Sly Cooper is probably THE franchise I don't want another game from. I understand it had its ending, but Sly 4 proves that if you do things wrong, you ruin the characters' outcomes. Maybe, let's say, Sanzaru had the best intentions, but there was nothing worthwhile to tell in Thieves in Time; Sly's ancestors have always been plot devices.

You can crave remakes, but the originals are available to anyone with current PlayStation systems.

>>719047949
I think maybe the Cooper clan in general must have some reason even outside of lifestyle habits to steal. Two things can exist at the same time

>>719048432
>Penelope is the one who robotized Clockwerk.
Or is Clockwerk.

>>719048326
to be fair to the other anon, I feel like I see that sometimes too
but of course, having been in plenty of these types of threads, it's not the case here, just one of our reminiscence threads

>>719048361
>>719048432
I like the ambiguity and while it would be a cool Avengers moment I don't really think it'd be good writing if we know exactly how Clockwerk became some demonic Mecha Owl
>>719048634
I think Thieves in Time would have been better as a dessert-styled sequel that had no real plot relevance but was just the gang getting back together for a reason, it's not conceptually flawed other than shit like
>Penelope
but the execution is really what holds it back

Did they ever make the movie?

>>719048784
Anon it's not that complicated
"I come from a long line of X" is a thing that happens all the time in real life

>>719048960
No and even the downsized series was quietly cancelled.

>>719047591
As happy as I would be to have advance notice of a new Sly Cooper game, unfortunately that's not what happened here. I'm flattered that you think my concept is plausibly the real deal, though.

>>719048808
A mouse becoming an owl, the symbol of what she finds the most terrifying. It would be thematically fitting.

>>719048960
>>719049132
I was disappointed that we didn't even get the streaming series. The studio must have been having a ton of problems after Ratchet and Clank. The R&C movie's theatrical release and marketing were horribly botched and it came down to there being no synergy between Sony's different entertainment arms at the time. If Sony was not so fucking dysfunctional, the movie would have been handled by Sony Animation and distrubuted by Sony, but Playstation studios had to shop the rights around to the studios, get finances for it in line, and then shop it around for a distributor. The Playstation division were basically trying to branch out into movies on their own with no help from their parent company who already owned a movie studio and animation studio which is just bonkers to me.

>>719009452
>Thieves in time was good
those boss fights were a massive MASSIVE fucking downgrade from the ones in 2 and 3
it's probably the part that pissed me off the most

that and Murray's constant need to crossdress
wtf was that

I thought it was interesting how the JP version of Sly 1 got a couple reanimated cutscenes. I think letting a JP studio make a Sly game could be neat, although the writing/character dialogue might be a concern.

>>719048808
>>719049508
I feel like that could've worked, but it would have had to have come from a place of Bentley being the one to tank their relationship, and for Sly to have taken his side. I could see Penelope developing a lot of resentment for that.
You could even recontexualize Bentley's paralysis as being caused intentionally by Clockwerk in that case.

>>719049785
It would have looked like ass and Kevin wouldn't have even been in it, while the other two still were, for some reason. I'm glad we never got it.

>>719049853
Would it really be more of a concern to hear some retarded nonsense written by a jap as opposed to the abysmal slop that is written by a westerner?

>>719049853
I would not trust the japs to write a sly game

>>719050013
They are equal. It doesn't matter what nationality they are, they just have to be able to look at the trilogy and follow it as best as possible, which is apparently hard to do

>>719042415
You can mod emulated games, not sure it applies to PS2 tho. Look into it.

>>719050017
Me neither. Every time they'd write his name, it would look like a shorthand apology. Sry.

>>719052216
Based on my knowledge of Japanese accents, they would probably pronounce his name as "Sordai"

>>719051462
It's possible, but it's really niche because of the fact that the PS2's CPU used a weird partially proprietary instruction set.

I still think you could've had a game where Sly Cooper is on the right side of the law. You literally just make Spy Cooper, have him do stealth shit for Interpol. Lets him collect info and set up the perfect bust for Carmelita. Seems like a good partner dynamic. Then just have the main villain's big overarching scheme lead you to reconnecting with Bentley and Murray.

>>719008250 (OP)
>>719027893
>"This new section of the Theivious Racconus appears to be penned by my father, Sly. It's called Mating Press the Fox Cop. Looks like to do it, I need to Hump and press the Circle button..."

The Theivious Ragoonus

>>719054056
Sly working for Interpol helping catch super criminals and recover their stolen spoils would be a pretty good endgame for Sly. An reformed expert catburglar like Sly becoming a James Bond super spy is a pretty logical evolution.

>>719035154
Much better

>>719055398
Sly Cooper's version of Interpol is literally the most corruptible and incompetent police force I've ever seen in anything. They're compromised on at least two levels while being none the wiser, even Carmelita from her middling position isn't even suspicious of Neyla or The Contessa.

>>719057628
So make it Sly Serpico

>>719057714
But he couldn't have the cane. The cane's too important to leave out.

>>719057628
Another reason why Carmelita would want Sly there, he helped her snuff out corruption. Sly all but outright says that part why he likes Carmelita is because she's a good cop and he respects her for it, even if she's frequently causing problems for his schemes.

>>719032747
Sounds kino and funny

>>719011231
>Fox twin becomes thief and raccoon twin becomes cop
It has to be this way. You know it.

>>719011231
And they also fall in love and have kids, just like Sly and Carmelita

>>719038161
Friendly reminder Sly 3 was rushed and had to be done in a year because Sony wanted to strangle another golden goose.

>>719033530
Yes
smut is smut, its fanfiction designed to make you horny and the idea of carmelita needing to belly dance as a distraction is an idea straight out out of a doujin
the actual series should not be smut it should be titillating at the most (in line with pulpy spy fiction) and carmelita's design is already titillating by default, leaning more into making her sexy just starts to feel like a bad porn plot

>>719060880
That's why there aren't any clue bottles, for one thing. It's also why there's so much stuff that's just a bunch of disconnected bonus features. They didn't have time.

>>719060992
Also Venice is Paris during day. And gameplay is focused on mini games.

At least Sly completed his story

>>719060986
Brother, you're talking about a series in which Carmelita was brainwashed and expanded to Gargantuan Size by an evil mask and you had to platform up her thighs and ass as part of a boss fight.

You're talking about a series for which the original character designer attends as many furry conventions as he possibly can.

You're talking about a game in which every chapter end cutscene included the exact same joke about the newspaper making the apprehension of an international super criminal secondary to talking about how hot Carmelita is.

>>719061347
a cultured man

>>719061347
Fuck I gotta replay em.

>>719020337
Vita's 4GB cartridge size limit and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

>>719060093
kino

>>719061624
>We got one less chapter of the characters we love being bastardized and their story being ruined
>This is somehow a bad thing

>>719040679
thought it was conner cooper

>>719042686
been off coffee for 6 months after having it everyday for over 2 decades

>>719062017
That's never been established in canon. It's pretty close to canon, sure. The people who would have made that decision all say "Yeah, we would have called him Connor if we had to call him something. Maybe it'll come up in a future game."
But it never did.

>>719061347
>Carmelita was brainwashed
Completely in line with pulpy spy fiction
>expanded to Gargantuan Size by an evil mask
Mostly in line with pulpy adventure fiction and disarmed it with a joke.
Neither are the same as the several minute long rhythm game sequence of carmelita shaking her ass for 2 guards at the end of a hallway that murray could've just walked up and smacked in 2 seconds without it.

>>719062278
What'd you replace it with

>>719008250 (OP)
I think, without any explanation or qualification, the next game should just be called Sly 4. If you must differentiate, you can subtitle it Sly 4: For Real This Time. The game will not acknowledge Thieves in Time at all and will pick up where the third left off.

why isn't Carmelita bottomless, why does she wear pants and skirt

Everyone goes on about the Carmelita design and personality but what they did to the ancestors is just wrong, wrong, wrong.

>>719064960
What happened?

>>719060880
To be fair, all "kids games" back then had to have a very snappy turnaround because they didn't know how long the initial audience would remain kids, and they also had to have them out in time for Christmas when kids get the most games. Every Ratchet and Clank game also only had a year of dev time and they still managed to pull of technical miracles on the PS2. I'm not saying it's right or fair, or that Sly 3 wouldn't have been way better if they had another 6 months to a year, but that's unfortunately just the reality that all the studios making scrimblo games had to work around.

>>719060986
Consider the following though.

>>719064935
You want this?

>>719061347
based post

>>719066102
aw yeah that's hot

>>719064960
I thought it would be funny if Sly met Henriette Cooper and since she's a pirate she bants so hard that she flirts with Sly, and then everyone present immediately realizes how awkward that is (including her).

>>719064935
Clearly Sly should wear pants so that everyone can debate about his penis.

I want Carmelita fucked by reptiles

>>719066048
And that's the most sexual thing in the entire trilogy. Also in line with fantasy tropes where the evil warlord or sultan keeps a bikini slave or several who inevitably take their revenge on him during the chaos of the heroes' actions.

>>719066336
The female lead character distracting a bunch of oafish thugs is also a trope as old as dirt too, and it still exists because it's fun. And Carmelita's bellydance scene, while obviously fanservice, isn't anything that wasn't slipped into "a kids' game" before.

>>719066102
No, I want
this https://files.catbox.moe/v1yuhm.png

>>719067008
actually extremely based

>>719066313
The consequences of Legend of Krystal have been disastrous for mankind.

>>719067685
I dunno what that is, I just think reptiles fucking furry woman is good...not other way round though that stuffs bleh. On the topic cute picture of General Scales wife you posted.

Soprano soprano bass bass bass

The formula is simple, so I'm surprised not many other games did the "hub world where you do tasks to set up for an ultimate heist" thing. Add in some levelution and you got yourself something that is fun for players.

>>719066824
>The female lead character distracting a bunch of oafish thugs is also a trope as old as dirt too
In the kind of fiction that Sly Cooper is in, the distraction is less than 10 seconds so THE MURRAY could slip in behind them and bonk them, not like 2 and a half minutes of belly dancing. This isn't stealing the wings from Rajan, its two bruiser guards who need to get knocked out. Her rolling up her pants to show some leg, them running over, then getting dragged into a side hallway and replaced is how the bit should go; the entire minigame is far too much.

>>719008250 (OP)
If you have to make a game about Sly and Carmelita's children let them be two, and this time I wanna see the Fox play the part of the criminal while the Raccoon becomes a cop

>>719069029
If we're talking minigames that are far too much half of Sly 3 should have to go.

>>719069127
>Sly's dad watching from beyond the grave as the Cooper family legacy stops being in the hands of a raccoon and is now carried on by a fox

>>719069029
The bellydancing minigame should've have in fact been part of the big final plan to steal something just like with Rajan's wings, too bad Sanzaru didn't fucking understand that usually the characters should be preparing themselves for a big robbery/infiltration/ambush during the chapters

>>719069335
Fuck Sly's dad, who fucking cares about that asshole, maybe next time pay your colleagues dumbass

>>719069342
That would make it more fitting for sure. An entire segment just for 2 guards you knock out in droves in normal gameplay is retarded, doing a more refined routine in front of the villain of the week and his entire room guards would then set it up as something more important but also elevate it a smidge since it's being performed for the musical elephant bitch who would want to see actual dancing to her music instead of mindless sex appeal (the guards can still being going apeshit in the background). And then carmelita can fight her way out at the big reveal with some accompanying one-liners selling that she's both a vixen and bruiser in her own right.
>>719069227
They certainly went a bit too far in some places.

>>719064935
Believe it or not, there's an official explanation for that. Pants are a status symbol. And it actually holds up. Every single character we see wearing pants is either well off, or wants to be perceived as being well off.
Carmelita: High responsibility globetrotting role at Interpol. Pants.
Raleigh: No pants, but he can't wear them anyway.
Muggshot: Wanted to be a wealthy gangster as a kid, actually became one. Pants.
Mz. Ruby: Haitian. No pants.
Panda King: Also runs a large criminal enterprise, just like Muggshot. He ONLY wears pants.
Clockwerk: Giant mechanical bird, lives in the middle of nowhere. Is totally unconcerned with social mores and may even predate the role of pants as a status symbol entirely.

Neyla: Subordinate to Carmelita, favored by The Contessa, secret Klaww Gang member. Pants.
Dmitri: Runs drugs out of a Parisian nightclub. Aspires to wealth. May or may not actually possess it. Pants.
Rajan: Manufactures drugs, owns a massive palatial estate. Pants.
Contessa: Owns a Czech Castle and operates an entire prison, secret Klaww Gang member. No pants. But realistically, how would she wear them? She has the loincloth-dress thing going on.
Jean Bison: Extremely wealthy, but he's displaced in time. He literally comes from the past and revels in that fact. He chooses not to wear pants as a nod to his impoverished prospector history.
Arpeggio: Doesn't wear pants, but only because he's too small and fat for them. It angers him deeply, for sure.

Octavio: Mob Boss who projects high class taste. Pants.
Guru: Mumbling purple Koala Aboriginal. No pants, obviously.
Black Baron and Penelope, The Black Baron wears pants because the character's a high society type, and it aids in the disguise. Penelope wears the overalls for entirely practical reasons, she keeps tools and stuff in the pockets and on her belt.

>>719069428
McSweeny seemed fine with him, sounds more like Dr. M just had a massive ego and was projecting his worst flaws onto the Coopers.

>>719069658
Tsao: Despite being a high ranking military official from an aristocratic family in a legalistic culture and a staunch traditionalist, no pants. I don't have an explanation for this one. I guess he didn't look enough like a chicken without the scutes showing?
LeFwee: 16th Century-style pirate, part of an isolated colony of pirates, of which he's at the top of the society. Pants.
Dr. M: He could use his intellect for good and make a lot of money in the process, but he doesn't he's consigned himself to symbolic poverty over his obsession with personally dispossessing the Cooper Lineage of their wealth. No pants.

The fact that the whole pants thing was an ad-hoc justification for things they didn't even worry about when designing the characters and yet it only breaks down once out of over 20 examples is really impressive.

>>719069745
>Dr. M just had a massive ego and was projecting his worst flaws
Then why is it called the "Cooper Gang", you self -centered ego maniac!

>>719070085
Because the thief is the frontman of a heist team. He's the center of attention and most at risk.
Because he'd still be a thief even without a team, the team just opens up more jobs for them. A genius by himself builds doomsday lasers and holds hostages, not catburgles.
Because 'Cooper Gang' sounds nice and rolls off the tongue, way better than "Doctor M(andril) gang". See how clumsy that sounds? Ridiculous, nobody would take that seriously.

Sliding on lasers is such a cool technique from Connor.

>>719070085
Crawl back into your grave, Dr. M.

I bet if someone made a working prototype, Sucker Punch would greenlight a new Sly game. Whether or not they'd keep their filthy hands off of it is an entirely different matter.

>>719073490
It wouldn't be up to Sucker Punch. It's up to Sony, and unless Bubsy 4D sells like the hottest of fucking cakes, Sony isn't going to decide to license out their IP and give a modest budget to a small team to make it. They'd rather lump all that cash together to pay a bloated team for the better pare of a decade to make Obvious, Inevitable Slow Motion Car Crash #6.

Seriously. Why not make a bunch of smaller games that don't all need to be the next big thing to even turn a profit? What happened to having a diverse product portfolio to cater to multiple demographics? Why the fuck haven't they learned from Astro Bot yet?

>>719008250 (OP)
>soft reboot is the son realising their parents lost their way and went to shit as an allegory to the series itself
That would be based and Id buy it on that premise alone, same with ratchet and spank

>>719073852
Ok but who should be the mother of Ratchet's children?

>>719073928
There's no one it can be EXCEPT Rivet. Unless they want to asspull a totally new character from another alternate universe entirely, one that has no rapport with Ratchet at all.
They could do that. Maybe even do it well. But that's not what the fans want.

>>719074070
What about Talwyn

>>719061957
It would have at least prevented that awful cliffhanger ending

>>719074417
I hear you, blizzard

They never really gave up on the "Murray is low-key gay" thing, did they?

>>719074417
I always liked wiggling their heads around with the sticks. I was disappointed when it didn't work the same way in Sly 2 or 3.

>>719067008
fuggg

>>719008250 (OP)
>Sly and Carmelita's son, who discovers his heritage, rebels against his parents
How would that even work
>Dad was a law breaking thief
>Mom was a law following cop
>I shall become... THE TRUE NEUTRAL

>>719020012
this. why the FUCK did they make Penelope bad. her redesign is a shit too

>>719077219
Sly has switched sides, remember. He'd be keeping up the amnesia lie for all of his son's life and working under Interpol. He wouldn't want his son to know about their connection to the Cooper Clan, let alone pursue it.
But Sly's son feels compelled to bring it back. He goes through the motions based on what he can read about the history of the Cooper Clan. He knows they assembled close-knit teams of specialists and he does the same. And he knows they had a policy of only stealing from other master thieves, so he tries to do the same with his new gang.
It goes sour pretty quickly, and Sly has to bail him out. Accidentally teaching his son one of the core moves in the process, which only emboldens him. This keeps happening as the son and his gang get more and more confident, and Sly comes closer and closer to blowing his cover each time.

>>719077538
And where would Carmelita be during all of this? At the beach not caring at all where her son is or why her husband runs off to do something which is saving his son?

>>719078660
A lot of it would be happening overnight. And in the places Sly and Carmelita happen to be for Interpol work. Jr. tries to go behind their backs and take down the local boss before Interpol can.

>>719049853
the japs also had a demo reel for 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esWkq7aRaw8

>>719067008
>can't see it as it won't load
Suffering.

>>719084390
It's an AI gen of the same picture, with a notable difference.
>>>/trash/77422099

>>719084880
Oh okay then, thank you Anon, you're a life saver.

>>719084880
I want to have sex with futa Carmelita and I am not even ashamed to admit that.

>>719085134
I was just trying to help out. I just tried to make sure that the image doesn't derail the thread with people asking what it was. I guess I shouldn't have done that.

>>719082739
That art has always looked like the shit in "LEARN TO DRAW ANIME SLASH MANGA" books to me. I figured it was just custom made as a bonus feature and the cutscenes were actually exactly the same in the actual Japanese version.

>>719075520
Is that a real thing? I've never heard that before.

>>719088865
It is, sort of. Murray was actually supposed to be a pretty distasteful bisexual stereotype in the first game. That's why he's such a wimp. That was the plan until a surprisingly late point in development before they thought better of it. I feel like that costume has to be a nod to that origin, or maybe it's been true all along and just hinted at occasionally.

>>719023040
Sly gets sent back to the present via magic or some shit in the intro

>>719023040
With how poorly it was received, how poorly it sold, and how long it's been, I doubt it'll be treated as canon. Sucker Punch didn't make it, and I'd hope Sony have the sense not to hitch themselves to a bad product from over a decade ago over a good product from two decades ago,

>>719090034
>This guy's dick doesn't even work.
>He can't even feel it.
>He probably shits and pisses himself constantly.
>Despite that, he still gets the nerdy tomboy mousegirl GF

If Bentley can do it against such stacked odds, why haven't you, Anon?

>>719090220
>Despite that, he still gets the nerdy tomboy mousegirl GF

He didn't though. She betrayed him and probably had sex with Le Skunk or whatever the fuck his name was.

>>719090345
Thieves in Time isn't canon until the next game follows up on it.

>>719008250 (OP)
The only way I would consider playing another game is if Sucker Punch made it, no one else.
I feel the same about inFAMOUS

Bonus points for a KFC heist

>>719090550
If they got Dev and at least one of the original writers, and a half competent team to make it, I'd be optimistic about that.

>>719090345
In this house we pretend Sly 4 doesn’t exist.

I feel a spiritual connection to that one anons unending anger about Mass Effect 3.
Nothing but pure unadulterated rage, I curse Naughty Dogg, the people they sold the IP to, Sony, this series was wrapped in a little bow, the ending to 3 was perfect.
Everyone got a happy ending, then Sly 4 drunkenly stumbles into the room, rips it all down and screams ITS TIME FOR A CONTRIVED SEQUEL, shits down everyone’s collective throat with a solid 3/10 entry ending on a cliffhanger that pleased no one, not even the devs.
Fuck Sly 4

>>719090846
I am sad to admit that I am one of those people who desperately wanted a Sly 4 because I didn't know what I had

>>719090846
The Sly games were made by Sucker Punch.
They didn't sell the IP, they contracted with Sanzaru to make it after they did a barely serviceable job of porting the original games to PS3.

>>719090917
I waited almost ten years for a Sly 4. I've been a fan of the series since the beginning. My copy of Thevius Racoonus is in the original spaceship box.

>>719041379
>>719043076
>He gives it up, partially because he realized what a bad guy his father was, between McSweeny being abandoned to rot in prison forever and it coming straight from the Baboon's mouth that Dr. M was taken advantage of by Sly's father.
>McSweeney is just that loyal that he's still caught up in whatever grandiose narrative he was sold. Dr. M wasn't. He got fucked over and it turned into a lifelong vendetta.
McSweeny wasn't left abandoned by Sly's dad. Did you even read the tie-in comic (which is 100% canon btw, since the Sly 3 European DVD uses it's art for the box art and DVD art and the Sly 3 cutscenes literally left art from it)? McSweeny turned himself in after the gang split up because he had nothing else to do afterwards. It has nothing to do with Sly's dad. He did it out of his own free will and refuses to leave even after Sly breaks in to talk to him.
Read the fucking comic.