Thread 719017883

>your stats/skills get stronger the more you use it
It's incredible how there isn't a single game that made that right

>>719017883 (OP)
todd's games have this

>>719017883 (OP)
...TES?

>>719017883 (OP)
Kenshi

>>719017883 (OP)
all the games i can think of are old
the older TES
kenshi maybe
uhhhh, outward?

>Rec thread
Games have been doing since for 40 years or so, retard

>>719017883 (OP)
Elder Scrolls

>>719017883 (OP)
Rimworld

>>719018136
>>719018164
>that made that right
so not TES.

>>719017883 (OP)
That's how I beat Vagrant Story.

>>719017883 (OP)
Underage detected.

>>719017883 (OP)
Fable

>>719018282
Morrowind was quite good in that regard.

Final Fantasy 2 got it right with weapon skills.
...unfortunately the weapon skill system is super fucking shallow and there's no real reason to level up more than 1 skill per character.

>>719017883 (OP)
There are tons of RPGs and survival games with leveling by doing retard-kun, some of them even have model and animation changes unless you think San Andreas and Kenshi are obscure games.

>anon makes a dumb thread with a nebulous premise that he clearly didn't think about for more than 10 seconds
>starts arguing when people point out obvious contradictions

Your thread, just like you will die forgotten.

>>719018220
To a fault I'd say.
>yup time to get beat up and try to stand up for an hour

>>719017883 (OP)
todd did this and normies said it was stupid

>>719018282
what is "right" then in your opinion? what do you think is the correct way to handle this concept?

Any actual roguelike with attributes will do this. Usually referred to as "excercising".
Nethack, for example, makes you gain strenght if you push boulders. They also include "abuse" mechanics that degrade your attribute scores if you take certain actions.

>>719018557
I'm sure that OP isn't talking about was TES does. That's just number goes up without much depth to it at all.

>>719018564
Thats the progression man. However things like strength and dex training fascilities should be in the base game, the strength one is passable, training dex is actually awful

>>719017883 (OP)
experience points + stat growth curves is the same thing but less easy to fuck up and frustrate players

Morrowind

>>719018392
NTA but
>armor levelling too slow to do without trainers
>mercantile levelling broken
>enchanting levelling broken
>magic skills get xp per spell cast without accounting the cost of the spell, broken
>sneak TOTALLY BROKEN
weapon skills, athletics and acrobatics are fine though

t. morrowind enjoyer

>>719018407
And considering how Mythril weapons stay with you for like 60% of the game you're better off leveling fists for everyone and both fists and sword for Firion so you can use the Blood Sword.

>>719018407
Which is ok because you want to specialize in FF anyway.

>>719017883 (OP)
>>719018164
Runescape, TeS etc

i look like this

>>719017883 (OP)
You've only ever played COD and Halo.

>>719017883 (OP)
SaGa fixed FF2

>>719018164
>hit bandits and mudcrabs for 2 days straight
>can suddenly take on dragons and ghosts
nnope

>>719018164
No not really how do you get better at taking damage if you get hit with specific armour on that is just dumb

>>719018826
That is literally what op is talking about though. "Get stronger" aka number goes up is what TES is all about. Number goes up and hit chance increases. Number goes up and damage gets higher. Number goes up you can jump higher. Ect.
I don't think they are talking about autistic exercise systems where you can train your left bicep independently of your right pectorial and make your character goonerjak with one massive arm. They closest we get to that is Hybrid Heaven where you can exclusively use right hooks the entire game and get so strong with that one arm and one punch ypu can one shot anything with it.

>>719018392
Not when a skill was too low to even begin to level with. People give oblivion shit, but Oblivion making low leveled skills work worse was far better than them not working at all like in Morrowind. Want to a level marksman from level 5 without a trainer? Good luck. Better off watching paint dry. In fact half the time you look up how to level a skill, the answer is just "pay for a trainer." That's not good game design in the slightest.

>>719018674
There is no right way to do "natural" leveling, as far as I can tell. Point allocation makes for a superior gaming experience.

>>719018564
>That bit from kung pow where he attempts to train Toughness by getting the shit beat out of him with bamboo rods
>Except it actually works
>>719018839
The big brain maneuver is to kidnap some enemies and make a training arena, lock your trainee and training dummy in and have them kick the shit out of each other until one falls. It even trains the training dummy, so it scales with you!

>>719017883 (OP)
Ultima Online.

>>719019576
I hate to admit this but yes you're correct. I had more fun with Oblivion Remastered than OG Oblivion purely because you could just allocate 12 points to whatever combination of attributes you wanted once you leveled up. Is there a mod for OG Oblivion that does this exact thing?

>>719017883 (OP)
Mount and blade does this with weapons and it makes starting the game as a gladiator pretty valid, because you can level up raw weapon skills in arenas and dump your level ups into valuable skills on the field, like leadership

>>719018564
It's easier to get beaten to a near-KO (make sure your legs aren't hurt) and run away to the nearest town.

>>719019808
I remember there was an xp mod a hundred years ago when I played oblivion.

>>719017883 (OP)
because that's not how real life works

>>719019347
Why wouldn't you? It's like when skaters fall, you get better at controlling how your body flinches and tenses up and your bones grow stronger from repeated stress