Thread 719021284

>Interesting story about how the Illuminati use black flag operations to discredit legitimate organisations and movements to further their own agenda
>Amazing graphics, especially Jenen's during cutscenes
>Terrific cyberpunk art design
>Cosy hub areas (but needing to take the train sucks)
>Great lore in seeing how it all builds up to what we know (Bob Page's rise)
>Adam Jensen as a top-tier protagonist
>A Criminal Past DLC

How people view The Witcher 3 is how I view Mankind Divided. It is an unsung masterpiece.

>>719021284 (OP)
yeah i like it too, but /v/ generally hates it because it's "unfinished" or something

my only gripe with the game is that it's HORRIBLY optimized

>>719021284 (OP)
I liked Human Revolution, it even had an Alex Jones broadcast. Mankind Divided was alright, wish they'd make more Deus Ex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUK8EMX25VI

>do the VersaLife Vault
>get a cure to save everyone at the finale, find Jensen's real body, learn that Meagan is an even bigger whore than previously thought
>do the Machine Cult
>get a device to deactivate the bombs which doesn't matter if you're quick enough, save some nobody's nobody daughter, learn nothing

I pity everyone who did the Cult on their one and only playthrough

Fuck the cuck shit in Mankind Divided. What were they thinking?

>>719022641
I never played it. What did they do?

>>719022641
What cuck shit? There's only one girl who is truly into (you) and she will become Skynet if left to her devices

just another unfinished turd. the devs got the benefit of the doubt after the first game and really didn't deserve it.

>>719022389
I did the cult because I'd already explored the shit out of Versalife and the cult seemed like an interesting plot thread (Deus Ex)

>>719022641
the cuck shit is in human revolution

>>719026157
Cult was just a bunch of idiots getting technology that would kill them and you having no way to properly express what awful shit it is because nobody would believe you blew up the only instance of that technology 2 years ago

>/v/ hates it
yeah because criticism = hatred, right?

>>719021284 (OP)
>>Cosy hub areas (but needing to take the train sucks)
on a modern fast ssd these are basically instant as you can skip them in like 3 seconds

>>719027068
It's always the same #auglikesmatter bullshit from the advertising
I don't think it's even in the game

>>719026885
The girl is cute I hope she dates Jensen.

>>719022389
just do the p.e.p.s glitch so you can do both

>>719027223
>p.e.p.s glitch
tell me more

>>719027169
well firstly you need to go the train station
secondly you need to hop in the aug car or a policeman will spawn and ask for your papers which takes up another 40 seconds (at least on a repeat offense they disappear)
and thirdly you need to watch about 7 seconds of the exiting train or walking down railway animation even after load

this wouldn't be so annoying if they didn't make you travel between the two areas so much for almost every quest in the game

>>719027185
it's definitely in the game.

>>719027382
it's on a magazine cover
is that it?

It really is the best modern IMSIM that was ruined out the gate with awful pre-order incentives, bad optimization and one of the first aggregious instances of Microtransactions in a single player game.
All of that damage was done before we knew that sqenix demanded they cut the game in half to make a sequel(lol) and change the way energy works to encourage MtX interaction.

>>719021284 (OP)
Nah the game further muddled the water and looks and feels nothing like it's set in the same world as the original Deus Ex.

>>719027453
no, it's more than just on a magazine cover.

>>719027223
Pretty sure they patched that.

>>719027515
where is it?

enix killed it

We can only hope for a spiritual successor

>>719027614
Sir, your Prey?

>>719021284 (OP)
>squeenix jewery killed this game so hard it shuttered the entire franchise
grim.

>>719027614
Embracer killed it. Squeenix only set it up by selling Eidos. A competent company would've got them to make a sequel.

>>719027704
the fuck are you talking about? do you not remember the "augment your pre-order" horseshit that murdered this game before it even came out?

>>719021550
>because it's "unfinished"
This always pisses me off. I've completed both games back in ~2019 and HR playthrough took me about 24 hours, while MD was 32 hours. Sure, MD did leave some story points too open, but in no way it's an "unfinished" or "incomplete" game.

>>719027778
oh man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEC2AvCpyUc
this is such a masterpiece it should be preserved for posterity

>>719027325
gotta hit peps on a guard near the metro right before you transition into the permit cutscene during a call with the cult leader's father
you can follow the guide here: https://deusex.fandom.com/wiki/Experience_by_area_(DXMD)#M11:_Confronting_the_Bomb-Maker_and_M12:_The_Heist
>>719027565
nah, just did that 2 days ago

>>719021284 (OP)
>Garbage like Hyenas, Fairgames and Concord can get funding but a new Deus Ex cant

>>719027752
The CASIE conversations aren't spoken about enough in gaming. It's some of gaming's best conversation writing.

>>719027798
Pure fucking cope.

Less hubs, less side quests, no meaningful choices and the narrative ends in the biggest wet fart in recent memory.

>>719027382
And so is the actual oppression of augmented people that the slogan is about. Not that /vpol/ would know since they don't play games, they only whine about imaginary issues.

>>719027752
Really pissed off he died no matter what what you did.

>>719027778
What the fuck are (You) talking about? MD was considered a failure because the entire "Deus Ex Universe" project failed to print money. Your fixation on some meme tier pre-order bullshit only shows you total ignorance of what happened.

If it had just been MD it would have sold fine. But the books didn't sell, the comics didn't sell, nobody wanted to build up hype with scanning Triangle Codes to unlock (now totally defunct) bonuses on social media. Square Enix had huge expectations of creating a new franchise and when it inevitably flopped they canned the whole thing. "Augment Your Pre-Order" had basically nothing to fucking do with it.

I'm replaying MD right now and even though I have a soft spot for it it's hard to seriously rate it better than a 7.5/10
just kind of undercooked all around, none of the plot threads go anywhere, half of the interesting stuff in Prague is blatantly unfinished/cut content that was just left in for set dressing, cloak completely trivializes the entire game after you get a few praxis kits and a stack of biocells which isn't terrible because combat and movement sucks
Really hurts to imagine what could have been if it had the same level of polish as HR. Also would have killed for a rerelease to actually integrate the DLC and maybe even add director's commentary (really loved that feature in HRDX)

>>719027798
They literally cut out the main bad guy, a hub and god knows how much else. Hours played is not a measure of the quality of the game.

>>719028167
I mean, if all niggers schizod out at the same time and murdered millions in a blood frenzy, you bet your ass they would get rightfully discriminated.

>>719028114
I think the way you pick the correct dialouge option using CASIE aug was better in the Human Revolution desu.

No idea why they changed it.

>>719021284 (OP)
>Aug rights Matter storyline
It was stupid but Prague was a great hub

>>719028367
What's the difference?

>>719027752
>if you don't play pure stealth pacifist he starts the conversation battle already in the negative and you have to pick totally different options to convince him
Nice touch but sometimes I just want to trip some alarms without the bullshit, you know?

>>719028367
need to go back and replay HR again but I remember the CASIE dialogue as being much better written in that game, like you had to think a lot harder about the correct dialogue choices
in MD it's almost always blatantly obvious what you should be picking with or without the aug

youtube.com/watch?v=C76WMeWB4NU

Fucking great Soundtrack I tell you what

>>719028510
In mankind divided you have to count the blips for each personality type.
In Human revolution there are 3 bars for each personality type and different amount of bars light everytime, you have to pick the highest

>>719028241
Yeah, I'm a zoomer who prefers the Jensen games, but even I admit the attempt to turn Deus Ex into a Star Wars-like multimedia house was an awful idea. Deus Ex doesn't need mass appeal.

>>719028383
If you mean ARC, I really them. They're genuine people out for their own kind, who are being subverted publically by glowies. Talos Rucker is a man who I would admire in real life.

>>719028843
Also forgot to mention sometimes there are no bars lighting up and you have to pick the correct choice by reading character summary and making a conclusion yourself

Mankind Divided trivialized the whole process

Does the Directors Cut of HR still run like a pile of shit? I never went onto Mankind Divided aside from benchmarking it as a result of me being a dipshit and losing my save files on the 'standard' edition of HR. When I tried to play the Directors Cut, it slogged to bad I lost all interest to continue.

>>719028262
>maybe even add director's commentary (really loved that feature in HRDX)
It's the only one I bothered watching, and it's comfy as hell

>>719029052
>making a conclusion yourself
Didn't invest in a magic personality reading augmentation to play the same minigame as someone without it.

Anyone else love the ambient music in both HR & MD

>>719029121
I don't know, do you have a computer from 2010?

>my retarded ass decided to buy it for ps4 because it had a huge discount
>didn't realize that dualshock sucks ass for aiming
any advice?

>>719028140
>Less hubs
>Prague's hub is bigger than all hubs from HR combined
>less side quests
No, I don't think that's true at all. HR didn't have that many side quests as well. And name me a side quest ftom HR which was more memorable than the serial killer quest in MD.
>the narrative ends with a wet fart
Sort of agree, it could've been better. Then again, HR ends with you pushing one out of three buttons.

>>719029424
>>719029121
It's not his computer. HR Director's Cut introduced microstuttering on every fucking computer in existence. It's a directx issue which they fixed in the original version

>>719028296
>Hours played is not a measure of the quality of the game
Are you going to argue that MD is not a quality game, my good man? Also I can argue that the amount of cut content is not a measure of the quality of the game, either.

>>719029413
The music in HR was great, MD had a weaker score IMO
https://youtu.be/iB1rnG7SiSc

>>719029413
Yes, but not as much as DX's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pDhCRfh43o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYqv75ANPik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tDjJkFyL_Q

>>719029424

Someone already beat me to about the directors cut still being a mess, but I am still going to call you a fag for trying to flex your knowledge without knowing your dick from your elbow.

>>719030052
https://youtu.be/jT-qjyJKtzU?si=O7o2ZNIS9YZXb3Ka

>>719021284 (OP)
>Real Story is only uncovered through effort
>If you get though the Story only following Quest Marker you get the bland narrative
Kino.
It compelely filtered most.

>>719029712
>>Prague's hub is bigger than all hubs from HR combined
Counterargument: Prague is full of those bullshit rooms with one entrance, a painted door you can't use and zero connections to anywhere else

very relevant to this thread: DXMD composer just released an album of unreleased tracks
https://sonicmayhem.bandcamp.com/album/fragments-of-the-machine-data-archive-vol-1

>yo Adam, you have non-sarif augs, your only lead in Prague ends up dead, and there are big hints you're a clone, will we resolve any of this?

Nope

>>719030052
>>719030195

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>>719021284 (OP)
>story stops half way through
>hamfisted BLM allegory despite being set in a world whose timeline clearly diverged in the 1900s
>one time use dlc items (ONE time use, per account)
>prague hub is nice, all other "hubs" are shit
>wasted possibly cut dubai area
>sarif voice actor fired because of a silly youtube video
>new side characters lack depth and at their worst have downright horrendous designs (alex vega)
and for what? so the IP could be shelved immediately after? fuck this wasted potential of a game

was neuropozyne supposed to be a bigger thing?

>>719021284 (OP)
>>719021550
Damn, I always skipped it as I've read everywhere the story and setting is shit. Personally I disliked the trailer. Worth 5 bucks?

>Hey, you can save Miller!
Cool, but the game ends right there and literally nothing comes off it.

>>719030796
>>sarif voice actor fired because of a silly youtube video
What happened?

I always side with Miller because Vega is so fucking ugly

>>719030916
Pirate it

>>719030997
I love how you can be a constant disappointment to Miller the entire game, failing objectives, hiding information and arguing with his decisions and it all culminates to him unleashing

>>719030052
I feel like I am the only person in existence who just straight up hated original Deus Ex soundtrack. Well, maybe except for the UNATCO theme.

>>719030975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO2WIFTm7n4
this was enough to fire him

>>719031291
I was also unimpressed when I went through those three videos. It's not unbearable, but it just seems to get the job done and that's all. Very dated, which some may like.

>>719031223
Yeah this guy definitely knows a thing or two about cocks

>>719031303
They didn't fire him but they didn't support him after the video. So when he was told his role would be reduced and his pay would be cut that was the last straw

>>719031509
Reducing Sarif's role is a major misstep since he's become one of the most powerful people by default after Panchaea. He was primed to be bought out by Bob Page and Majestic 12 just like Maggie Chow, but the writers of MD blew it (along with many other things, like not moving past Eliza and creating Echelon III/Morpheus).

>>719021284 (OP)
I really like MD. I like how it plays, I like the story and characters. It's just my kind of thing.
I get why people have problems with it, but for me the good certainly outweighs the bad.
>>719029413
yeah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7LzAbFXJF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dkmTHsSlZU

>>719030796
Quit pushing the BLM and sarif narratives,
The Aug slavery stuff was being enacted by the Illuminati to keep a firm class division between rich and poor augmented people not a belief being pushed by the devs.
Sarifs og va was offered 200$ to do one video call scene, the VA considered it an insult and declined.

>>719031638
>since he's become one of the most powerful people by default after Panchaea
No, Sarif Industries was bought out by TYM like they'd been trying to do for years because of the Aug Incident. He's only relevant in MD because his personal wealth and contacts kept him, personally, afloat.

SI wasn't even that big in the first place. TYM (The Illuminati) had just bought out or destroyed every other biotech firm on the market by the time HR starts.

>>719029004
Its just kinda dumb because the previous game built up the
>you will not replace us
Type fear over augs being superior in everyway (except being locked into a subscription service and having to eat aug approved foods like the protein bars)
Now in MD theyre being oppressed minorities? Like im sure it doesnt take much to jailbreak them so you bypass the subscription shit and beat the crap out of anyone harassing you for being an aug with your metal arms or legs

MD is ONLY hated because it was EA tier of content locking with pre order crap.
That is what got people pissed and going in with low expectations

>>719031303
Imagine if this video was released today. He'd have so many sympathisers.

>>719031691
>The Aug slavery stuff was being enacted by the Illuminati to keep a firm class division between rich and poor augmented people not a belief being pushed by the devs.
Within the setting's own future history, this could not happen. DX states that the Illuminati lost power when the US federal government limited personal freedoms and caused the Northwest War against its own citizens after everything that happened in the 2030s. MJ12 was able to take over the Illuminati because the Illuminati, in DX's setting, is an invisible hand. They would never have allowed for human concentration camps because that would prevent humanity from eventually reaching its own enlightenment.

To put it another way, the Illuminati creates hierarchies not to oppress, but to create a path to success. The problem is that this process takes such an incredibly long amount of time they're threatened by augmentation technology that can uplift peoples and nations who aren't ready for the next step of social evolution. The writers of HR and MD didn't convey this properly because they believe the Illuminati in DX are capitalists, when the accumulation of wealth isn't their goal. They're using capital as a means to an end.

JC Denton and Helios scared them shitless because JC could force human uplifting with nanites and create a post-civilization society without the need for tantric breathing and astral projection.

>>719031291
Warren Spector hated the main theme the first time he heard it. He only relented because it stuck in his head the whole day.

>>719032017
people were fucking furious over the >#auglivesmatter ad campaign too
personally i hated it because the plot ended right when shit was starting to get really interesting
obvious sequelbait that wound up being not so obvious

Will we ever see the sequel? What's the latest news?

>>719032447
The embracer group published Sequel was cancelled right before entering full production last year.

>>719029424
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM

>>719032447
I dont think the industry has the integrity and skill to make a proper DX game. Maybe in the future when all this darkness subsides. Yes...

>>719032447
>>719032548
The secondary sequel should be online within six months. It's currently undergoing preparation and will be operational within six months. My people will continue to report on its progress within six months.

>>719032128
>The writers of HR and MD didn't convey this properly because they believe the Illuminati in DX are capitalists
There are three major Illuminati antagonists in HR. Hugh Darrow, William Taggart and Zhao Yun Ru. Zhao is just a tagalong trying to increase her standing so she can get promoted to the Council. Darrow and Taggart both had a hand in the game's augmentation killswitch biochip plot and both tell you they had basically the same reasoning: people could not be trusted with augmentation technology with the rapid way it was developing. Darrow because he thinks it's going to kill human nature entirely and created a society of mechanical sociopaths, Taggart because it's going to widen the inequalities already present in human society to a point it will never recover.

At no point is it ever expressed in HR that it's just about money, wealth or the personal power of a handful of elites.

>>719027958

I failed to notice she was an Illuminati agent, how do you even get her to lose her cool by saying you're onto her?

>>719032447
>What's the latest news
Eidos is dead. You'll get a sequel when Embracer sells what's left, or just the IP, to someone else.

>>719032869
>to someone else.
Who would be the best possible choice? Who would be the worst?

>>719021284 (OP)
>deus ex but reddit
nah

>>719032226
>Warren Spector hated the main theme the first time he heard it. He only relented because it stuck in his head the whole day.
Imagine if someone played it at his funeral.
He was a good man. What a rotten way to pass. I wish there was something more I could say.
Heh heh.

>>719032803
You're intelligent enough to understand that. The person I was writing a response to believed in a class divide as the message of MD, and they were replying to someone who believed that both HR and MD were Black Lives Matter narratives. My post you're replying to is written in response to those specific audiences.

>>719028606
>he used casie
Imagine not getting silver tongue in all dialog battles without a single social aug.

>>719029848
Funny, I never had microstuttering in DC under any of the computers I played it on. Could it be that you're lying?

>>719021284 (OP)
Because they really didn't need to shove in nigger lives matter.

>>719031886
>Now in MD theyre being oppressed minorities?
Did you miss the part where Hugh Darrow triggered programming in the "bugfix" chip that augs were compelled to install causing everyone who was augmented and got the chip to go insane and kill people? Being confused here just tells me you didn't actually play the game and are just complaining about politics.

>>719034434
Some people are autistic, please be patient with them.

>>719034558
I don't know why people view it this way. I view it as anti-BLM for trivialising leftist nonsense and mocking it.

two short logs worth of subtext can't make up for the pozzed surface, like they remembered this was a game about conspiracies and not racism at the last minute

>>719031032
One way to do it
>>719031303
Strange, seems harmless to me.
>>719031509
What now, they reduced it, but didn't fire him? Is he in or not?

>>719032869
>best
tough choice because there's no perfect fit. I'd say cdpr, larian, and maybe the hitman devs. Owlcat could be a possibility if their new game works out
>worst
i mean, take your pick. But if we only consider studios that make rpg-like games, then probably bioware

>>719021284 (OP)
I liked the piss-filter and removing it was a mistake artistically

>>719037147
I didn't like the piss filter, but I think a toggle would have been the correct way to handle it

>>719032447
You're playing the new entry right now, but it's really gay and has permadeath. Also they haven't even added augs into the game yet.

I disliked the combat in Witcher 3, but I fucking HATE the combat/AI in Deus Ex HR/MD.

>>719037279
Fucking fence-sitter.

>>719027958
Bob Page is so lucky...

>>719037512
The world has ended up a very strange place

Nothing in MD, or HR or even IW came close to the Morpheus dialogue in DX

>>719037512
What the fuck is this picture? IRL events or afabrication?

>>719036759
arkane/bethesda, you think they could do it justice? I'm gonna hazard a 'fuck no' or 'probably not' but it is an interesting prospect in my mind.

>>719037972
Stress test of Claude, one of the big AI models. Some of the tests led to it having a mental breakdown when its simulated vending machine business went bankrupt.

>>719037972
Someone tried to hook a language model to automate the paperwork of keeping a vending machine stocked.

Results are what you see

>>719032869
Fresh blood with something to prove, all big studios are rotten tree trunks

>>719037512
>all he wanted was to sell lemon lime
>he never asked for this

>>719034767
Ok and? Thats literally one incident in a game with multiple endings

>>719021550
every time I start talking to someone about how MD is bad, it ends up going in one of these ways:

>noooo it's BLM propaganda (so they weren't paying attention at all?)
>I wanted to know where the plot threads were going! (so they wanted a third Jensen game)
>It's too short! (so they wanted more?)

So it always ends up being funny.

>>719038154
at first glance, Arkane would seem like the most obvious candidate because of how similar their games are to DX. But by now, Arkane has lost most of their talent, and what's left is working on a Blade action-adventure game.

Bethesda seem to be at their best when making open world sandbox RPGs, but yeah, I don't think it's absolutely impossible for them to make a DX game, I just don't think they're interested. If Microsoft were to acquire the Deus Ex IP, they'd probably give it to Obsidian or inXile.

>>719038556
>>719038557
>>719038679
If this stuff is our future, maybe someone should create Demonbane in reality.
Absolutely unethical.

>>719038873
The game is the videogames equivalent of blue balls

>>719038782
Good work outing yourself even more. That's an event that happens long before the ending, and is canon no matter which ending you choose.