Thread 719023196

>failures are good actually

https://www.gamesradar.com/platforms/ps5/architect-of-sonys-disastrous-live-service-push-says-failures-are-good-actually-because-now-theres-more-rigorous-and-more-frequent-testing/

Oh no no no

then i hope this decade is filled with nothing but failures for sony!

I could've made them a game that actually made money for 1/100th the budget

>>719023196 (OP)
Maybe your should work out the internal structure and procedures of your company BEFORE you lose 400M dollars

>>719023196 (OP)
>I want to fail cheaply and quickly from now on
>says company that spent $400m over several years developing a game maybe a few hundred people ever played in total

>>719023196 (OP)
>i would like for us, when we fail, to fail early and cheaply
>10 year development and $500000000 budget

>>719023196 (OP)
Failures are good if it's a failure you have never experienced before. Then you can learn from that failure. Unfortunately for Sony though hero shooters failing horribly and live service games in general failing horribly aren't a new experience. They've shown that they don't learn very well. Especially since they are still funding even more live service hero shooter slop.

>>719023196 (OP)
>SnOYS

>>719023196 (OP)
>any fucking retard on /v/ has an idea that would print them money
>sony even had a golden goose with Helldivers 2 and proceeded to kill it almost instantly
>somehow this is good and will lead to better games
I tired a lot of weird shit in my life but nothing that would cause delusions like that.

>more rigorous and more frequent testing.
>what is important to me is having a diverse set of player experiences and a set of communities
They learned nothing. Next title will also be a flop and hopefully they lose another billion.

>>719023196 (OP)
Hulst needs to go fuck himself.

>>719023196 (OP)
I don't think you should need a several million dollar failure to realise that it's probably better to fail only a few million in, instead of hundreds of millions in. Same for time investment.

>>719023196 (OP)
That's not a bad way to look at things on a fundamental level, but in the context of these people completely shitting the bed this is just them desperately trying to save face lol

>>719023196 (OP)
>yes, at our level money is just a social construct

It'll take time, but Sony is going to end like Atari.

>>719023196 (OP)
How the fuck did Concord/that other one fail early or cheaply?

I hope they keep this attitude so the industry can crash and burn harder and faster

I hate western games

The issue with bureaucracy is that the failure of bureaucracy will be fixed with the implementation of more bureaucracy. At no point will the bureaucracy ever downsize itself and get rid of the red tape and committees which allow a $400 million dollar corpse to walk to its grave, they will simply add more committees which will guarantee even less can be done.

>>719023196 (OP)
then why are they still working on Fairgame$?

>>719026048
>The generic ass guy is was the most played
Something amusing about that.

>>719023196 (OP)
Why it is so hard for some people to just admit you were wrong?

>>719023196 (OP)
What are they gonna do? Try to fire all the woke people? Good luck

>>719026339
I'm sure generic John McGunshoot white guy being the most played caused some seething

See, this is the problem with modern corpo.
Anytime a new c-suite retard joins he wants to do new stuff, because change is always good.
Of course existing staff and experienced people would only be detrimental to the new improved processes. Then they have to re-invent the wheel, fall on their ass, claim that it was actually good and continue doing shit until the next retard comes to do even more retarded shit.

At this point we should just kill all CEOs, investors who listen to them, people who gamble with other people's money for a living, smash the stock markets and beat up all the bootlickers who say we shouldn't.

>>719026338
Because failures are good :)

>>719026340
Companies tend to have both ego and the image to maintain to their precious investors, and Snoy is definitely prominent on the former. They'd rather crash and burn before they admit their business strategies in the past 20 years have lead to a slow decline towards a cliff, and instead.

>>719026048
this image was made solely to please any investors questioning why it bombed

>>719023196 (OP)
assrape is good actually because you can potentially shit easier with a widened asshole

>>719023196 (OP)
Clearly didn't learn shit since Fairgsme$ hasn't been canceled yet.

>>719024896
tbf, no one could have guessed that
all the internal reviews were glowing and positive

>>719023196 (OP)
>We learned the problem was the lack of proper game testing! Yes, thats the real issue!
The californian circle-jerk just refuses to learn.

>>719026428
When you really get down to it, the Evil Overlord List can be applicable to a company CEO and we would get actual better results than the current ones. Insane.

>>719026531
You ok, anon? Did the californian mafia kidnapped you?

>>719023196 (OP)
>we lost 500 million dollars. here's how that's a good thing!

>>719026983
Add the 3.5 billion they wasted on Bungie.

They ARE still working on FairgameDollar right? I'd hate for them to miss out on a learning opportunity

>>719023196 (OP)
>I lost hundreds of millions of dollars, thus making me the victor

>>719026340
corpos are incapable of admitting they are wrong. ironically enough admitting to mistakes would actually be good PR for them

>>719023196 (OP)
>Purposefully do it wrong
>Waste your company hundreds of millions of dollars
>"Hurr durr we have akshually learned from this and will have tighter procedures during the creation"
I mean, why not have the proper procedures from the beginning?
I can tell there's probably a hundred employees at SIE that could have told you the game would flop, but since any kind of criticism is currently a fireable offense I bet none of them actually told anyone the truth.

>we live in a time where people literally deny reality around them in order to bend to their narratives for the sake of not admitting they're responsible for a bad event
I really hope i'm not gonna stay alive enough to see the fallout of all of this.

>>719023196 (OP)
what a fuckin idiot. i think he knows why it really failed he just can't say because he's a sack of shit

and he's doubling down on live service games

i hope he enjoys marathon flopping! i know i will

>>719023196 (OP)
If you're the head of a major videogame studio and you need testing to figure out whether something is repeating the main problem that limited Concord's market to 10k-20k people even with a massive marketing campaign and the entire internet knowing of its existence, you need to not be the head of a major videogame studio.

That ridiculously low number wasn't a problem with the game mechanics, the monetization, or any other excuse that they come up with to not address the elephant in the room, and we all know it. That is the number of people in the "modern audience" who have money and want to play these games.

>>719023196 (OP)
>I don't want teams to always play it safe"
>the man who is pushing for most of his studios to shit out the same type of game

>>719027038
that is 35 games with 100 million dollar budgets.

>>719023196 (OP)
>I am bleeding money, making me the victor!

>>719023196 (OP)
How about bringing back some of your old, beloved IPs instead of wasting 100x more money on 15 GAAS projects?

>>719026048
in what fucking world does the 'miles travelled' and 'total eliminations' in this image make any sense at all
we're talking thousands of miles travelled per kill. what the actual real life fuck.

>>719027580
Why do that when we can make a mascot without an identity of its own wear the carcasses of said IPs?

>people are STILL mad about Astro Bot
Amazing.

>>719027716
didn't deserve to win

>>719027580
So long as the Herman Hulsts of the world are calling the shots. that'll just Disney Star Wars those IPs in the long run.

>>719026140
well yeah
my wife's friend's sister can't get a make-work job if i'm downsizing the red tape my business. don't be absurd.
it's the responsibility of the taxpayers to bail me out of my self-serving financial decisions.

>>719027598
wait was this competitive Desert Bus this whole time?

>lack of testing was the issue
These people are insane egotistical sociopaths

>>719023196 (OP)
D'oh! We forgot to tighten up the graphics on level 3. We'll get em next time!

>>719023196 (OP)
>One of Sony's first major pushes into the live service space was Concord, and for those of you who managed to miss out on the fiasco, it was pulled offline after two weeks of being out, and not long later Sony killed the game and the studio behind it, meaning that the eight years of development time were basically for nothing.

>Concord was not a bad game, it was well made and relatively bug free,
>but various factors (bad marketing,
>a paid title in a genre full of great free ones,
> bit generic)
>led to it being a disaster that makes the original Cyberpunk 2077 launch look tame.


>>719024896
NOPE. They have NOT learned that lesson.

>>719025061
Marvel Rivals shows that success is very possible. It's not just hero shooters. if they go into a different area with the same slop attitutdes they are guaranteed failure.

>>719025609
>>719025026
>>719025897

Herman Hulst is trying to save his job with the 3.6 BILLION dollar bungie buy. He'll try to get the Horizon live service game in.

>>719023196 (OP)
Chuds deboonked! Concord always wins, baby!

>>719027648
>>719027716
>>719027796
>Almost one minute (post timer) exactly between extremely vague diss, off-topic stereotypically Reddit response, and half-assed reply.
Don’t mind me, AI bots, content farmers, and severe autists, just doing some noticing around here. Silly me, guess I’m just a schizo off his meds.

>>719026774
Well, he's fearless alright.

>>719027580
FUCK no. It will be the old IPs made by the racist idiotic motherfuckers who are fucking up the current games.

>>719028584
>He's so mad that his redditbot with weak legs has been insulted that he schizos out

>>719028584
You said it.

>>719027598
Interstellar travel between systems?

>>719028680
drag x drive collab dlc when?

>>719028210
Sony didn't fund or develop Marvel Rivals. So that point is moot. Sony developed and funded like 5 separate live service bombs in the last 5 years. Each time they repeated the same reasons those games failed. Sony doesn't learn from their mistakes. They just mindlessly follow trends like all brainless Californians do.

>>719023196 (OP)
>Live Service failing
>Still keeps pushing for Live Service

How To Go Bankrupt 101

>>719024813
>GPTyo

>>719023196 (OP)
>failures are good actually
Yes, I thought everyone knew this?

>>719029080
Not if they cost billions of dollars, the time and effort of thousands of people, and your entire console generation.

>>719029161
Yes even in a scenario like that failures are good. Titanic and Hindenburg were also failures and humanity learned a lot from them

concord was not a bad game

>>719029291
On a purely technical level, it's not wrong but we all know it's extra cope since it should be the baseline for all games, not something devs should be praised for.

The Chernobyl power plant was a failure, a good failure. Great even

>>719026762
>all the internal reviews were glowing and positive
Since when have upper middle class snobs seen eye to eye with the general populace?

>>719029418
It'll never stop being funny how that show's worst episodes were Concord (Season 2 teaser while the game is already dead) and the Playstation one (Ready Player One but DEI).

>dev says "learning from mistakes is good"
>retarded children who don't learn anything think it's a bad thing to OH NO NO NO over

>>719027796
I'm still convinced Concord was supposed to be there

>>719026339
>The generic ass guy is was the most played
>Something amusing about that.
Makes you think studios were onto something with how the 00s had a bunch of protags that were clones of one another.

>>719029726
I'm convinced it, Dustborn, and Star Wars Outlaws were supposed to be there.

>>719023196 (OP)
Sony could have actually afforded Kadokawa and broke into the gacha market if they never bet the farm on skinner box, clown vomit, PCsister sloppa. All without kneecapping the keystone that is console their console too.
Instead they feel for the survivor bias rat race that is Steam charts and thought they would take all GayBen's whales overnight somehow, the most local corporate cock snoggers in all of gaming history. So we got Concord.

>>719029418
>>719029551
the megaman one was bad too

>>719029291
It was not a truly horrible game but it was in all Respects MID.
It just fells like a worse payed version of existing FREE games.
It didn't do anything unique and yet it also wanted people to pay for it when the free (and even some payed) alternatives did most of its tings better.

>>719029487
on a technical level any FREE (F2P) shooter was better than Concord. i'm not saying those are good games minds you i do like overwatch tho

>>719029551
The Concord episode was doubly funny because all of those shitty characters barring the white man (who was of course a cowardly evil traitor) were obviously going to be the brand new playable heroes, as if anybody would want to touch these crappy designs

>>719029487
I honestly find that more insulting than if it performed like ass since it shows that they're capable of making a game good but not a good game.

>>719024813
Concord cost 8 times as much to make as Stellar Blade or Astro Bot, 4 time as much as Helldivers or Ghost of Tsushima. You'd think the buck would stop somewhere? That absolutely reeks of money laundering even to random laymen like us.

>>719026048
>token white guy
>gave him the most boring and generic design possible to gimp him
>still more popular than your diversity creatures
lmao

>>719030137
Unsurprisingly, equally as unappealing as the cast already in, though surprisingly none of them look absurd like Bazz.

>concord
>fail early and cheaply

>>719030137
>I'm tired, boss

>>719030137
god do i hate these people

>>719027716
I don't believe that anybody actually likes that weird product placement platformer, beyond trying to use it as a console war token.

>>719023196 (OP)
8 years of development and a $800 million budget wasnt enough?
What the fuck were their 1000s of employees doing if not ONE of them thought to say "Hey this game we're working on is bad"?

>>719030137
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5_akLo_zCM
The negress is as much of a hideous girlboss as you might think too

>>719030137
>see imagery like this
>never consume thing

simple as

>>719023196 (OP)
I can give them the recipe for a guaranteed sale right now. Simply take any of the games that they've developed in the last decade that were failures, salvage as many assets as you can, remove all monetization other than the sale price, remove all blacks, browns, feminists, LGBT and pastel color content, and do up stripper outfits for the remaining female cast. Whatever is left of your black/brown/feminist assets become the villains while white guys always save the day.

Bam, there, easy 300 million sales. Jesus fucking christ, all they have to do is stop being obtuse and stop pandering to subhumans and bitchy Karens.

>>719031610
sony hire this man!

>>719023196 (OP)
Failure can be a good thing if you learn from it. Jury is out on whether or not Sony has

>>719026338
dunno, but even jade raymond bailed
I wonder where she'll fail upwards to next

>>719023196 (OP)
>we need rigorous and frequent testing to understand that men don’t want to play games with fat ugly trans lesbians
These “people” are frauds.

>>719023196 (OP)
failures are indeed good though. That's how people experiment and create shit. It's not like every invention was perfect from the get go, they had to fail several times to get to the actual final functioning product.

Why is sony like this?

>>719032146
These particular failures are great because they taught me to never financially support any of the people involved in making them ever again.

Also most of these colossal flops weren’t failures because they were daring to innovate, they were failures because they’re cheap, subversive propaganda, age thats all they are. Please, stop pretending they’ve ever been anything else. No one is buying it anymore.

>>719029501
those plebs will eat what they're served

>>719030137
Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy II

>>719030979
Hard to believe that they spent 16 years and $1.6b on that pile.

>>719026340
Admitting you were wrong means you are fired. Corporate culture is based around finding who to pin the mistake on. When nobody can find a proper scapegoat, they juggle innocence around until someone slips up.

>>719028083
This is literally all it is.

It's not that they want a "wider audience".
It's not that they're trying to "cut costs".
It's not even about the money in and of itself. If you gave all of them a deal "I'll pay you twice as much as you'll ever make here, and in return, you bring in our guys who will fix your mess, you retire to your yacht, and the public never hears from you again", they'd refuse.
The neoliberal institutionalists want control over the biggest entertainment medium for the purpose of protecting their own power and stroking their own egos. That's all there is to it. These are extremely vapid, dishonest, and narcissistic people.

Keep hitting these worthless pieces of human feces who are so used to having manufactured success handed to them on a platter by the institutions right in their egos. When they appear stressed out and frustrated, they honestly feel that way. They want nothing more than for people a hundred years from now to be talking about them as geniuses and powerful people who shaped how things were done in the industry forever. The idea that they'd go down in the history books as the modern equivalent of stupid, complacent, corrupt aristocrats in a crumbling empire who lost power because they didn't deserve to rule is a nightmare to them.

Failures are only good if you learn from them and only when you are next successful

>>719030137
I'm so glad China is winning

>>719023196 (OP)
>Concord was not a bad game, it was well made and relatively bug free, but various factors (bad marketing, a paid title in a genre full of great free ones, bit generic) led to it being a disaster that makes the original Cyberpunk 2077 launch look tame.
>bit generic
What a journo cope. The main reason for failure was that it looked like dogshit. Not technically but designwise.

>>719026340
The new and added dynamic that these devs are full leftists and they're there to make propaganda. You can't admit your ideology and politics aren't popular.

They can't give 'the chuds' and gamers a win after dunking on them all the time. So they invent new scenarios and narratives how AckTuAlLy. . . in their heads to make reality kosher. The usual leftist gaslighting.

>>719026048
haha benis

>>719030979
Enjoying the luxury catering and wine fountains, having meetings about the upcoming meetings, an army of useless employees slowly producing work that's so garbage that it all needs to be scrapped, petty drama and the aforementioned terrible work causing nonstop chaos with old people leaving and new people coming in, pet projects that have nothing to do with the videogame itself, excessive bureaucracy making every decision extremely slow and expensive, worthless specialists who's work they'll barely consult, paid vacations that are called research trips, etc.

I don't know the specifics about Concord beyond how ridiculous some of the people who ran the project are, but the above are the usual suspects.

>>719030979
>>719034515
You don't get it chuds, it was supposed to succeed! It was filled with highly qualified veterans.

>>719029291
that should be a new header for /v/

>>719023196 (OP)
This is exactly how gambling addicts sound whenever they try to justify losing rent to their roommates.

Consoletards are the ultimate goypigs of the gaming world.

Doesn't matter if you're financing burning billions by Sony's live service push, or Microsoft's GheyPass/ AI bullshit, you're a clueless idiot doing so at the end of the day.

>>719033248
China has never won anything in its centuries of existing, Anon. They've always been conquered, ruled, run over, beat down, owned, enslaved, and utterly mogged by every single power that comes along, be it Mongol, Manchu, Jurchin, Turkic or Assorted Brown Mystery Meat.

That's not going to change until the geographic region known as China is inhabited only by people who are not Chinese. They're history's eternal losers. It had to be somebody.

>>719023196 (OP)
>failures are good actually
It's true. Let them eat shit for their failures and mistakes and learn from them insted of them getting away with it and having cosumers placating their bad choises and making the market more shit than it is now.

>>719023196 (OP)
I don't even know what the fuck is going on over there anymore. The couple of games that stuck the landing they almost got fucked over post-launch (Helldivers 2 login requirement) or lost steam because the GaaS segment got in the way of the traditional campaigns while frustrating both sides as Gran Turismo 7 arguably had the ranked racing sim mode since the Sports entry, but now you don't get the traditional GT Mode for the career, instead some bullshit Cafe "menus" related to which cars you need/want to get in the event they're themede after.
Shifting focus for the ranked multiplayer segment with tiered daily/weekly events (which fell behind the competition in the racing sim segment as GT7 doesn't have the same amount of licensed FIA tracks, nor their own made-up tracks to make up for that or updated car roster in each class the actual motorsports events are based on) while shitting out econoboxes and random hybrid SUVs with barely any new events to use them post-launch is just a lose-lose for both sides. You don't get refined singleplayer content they're known for AND the autism sim is lacking.

>>719035681
okay but every time i ask a "superior" pc gamer for help on graduating from being a consoletard i just get berated from a smug fuck like you

People are losing their jobs. People with families. People with children. People upon whom others depend to put clothes on their back and food on their table. Now they have nothing. Many of them will have to take jobs out of desperation at reduced pay which will impact their quality of life. They will have to move across the country. They will have to sell their homes at a loss. They will have to pull their kids out of school in the middle of the year.

And yet here you are on the asshole of the internet gloating about it, conjoined by a chorus of equally pathetic shitheels who have also accomplished nothing in life. And why? Because these people made a game you did not like. As if that is such a fucking crime. But no, it's not enough that you did not support the game. You had to take it a step further. You had to trash it at every opportunity. You had to discourage others from supporting it.

There are so many talented individuals in this industry who grow disillusioned and quit because of people like you. The bitterness. The spitefulness. The hatred. There are supportive people out there but they are drowned out by the negativity. This website is a festering shitpile and people like you are mysteriously drawn to it.

You need to take a step back and reevaluate your life. Ask yourself why you take so much joy when others encounter misfortune. Does it make you feel better? Does your life finally have a purpose? Do you feel fulfilled? Do your parents tell you how proud they are of you?

I hate you. I fucking hate you. And I don't mean that in the "I think you are a fucking dickhead" sense but in the "I loathe the mere fact that you are allowed to exist another miserable day" sense. I hope you find yourself in the same situation someday. And I hope someone gloats about it on the internet. And others join in celebration. Just like you are doing right now. I will be there when it happens. And I will laugh my ass off at you.

Fuck you.

Just fuck you.

>>719029487
Yes and no, if by technical level you mean hardware optimization, concord wasn't stellar but wasn't terrible either, it ran "fine" on budget hardware but it struggled a tad on potatoes.
If by that you mean gameplay, no, it did play like dogshit, I remember watching clips of it at x2 speed because that's what I do with jewtube sludge for background noise and the game still looked like a slow ass slog.
Games about early naval warfare legitimately had faster gameplay than concord.

>>719029794
Kadokawa has their own gachaslop projects already anon, also they are part of sony aniplex, not SIE snoy.
And sony aniplex fucking loathes SIE to the point the FSN remakes came out for the switch but not on the kikestation.

>>719036685
send this copypasta to Sony for enabling a piece of shit game like Concord to be made in the first place. We are just the innocent victims of kusoge garbage like Concord.

>>719033248
chinks just nuked like a decade of forced goodwill by completely butchering wuchang weeks after release as a full rugpull bro

>>719023196 (OP)
>testing
This was never problem with Concord, people who played even said that it was well programed.
Problem was genre, bland gameplay mixed with terrible art style

>>719032378
I'm guessing it's the chubby Jap who pushed for it to be made. Too bad he's gone. Is there any hope in Lost Soul Aside being good?

>>719036685
Nice pasta. Tell them to stop putting brown people and dykefaggots in the games and they can keep their jobs.

>>719023196 (OP)
More rigorous testing for what? Every attempt to push this trash ends in failure there is nothing to test anymore no one wants your DEI slop.

>>719026340
They are in the right side of history fighting for a noble cause.

>>719023196 (OP)
>So, in fact, this is not a humiliating defeat at all, but a rare species of victory

>>719023196 (OP)
>failures are good actually

It's objectively true, anonymity creating the licence to fail for no cost is entirely what lead to 4chan's rise and golden era. The creativity died when no-one continued to create things and just reposted shit from reddit and twitter.

This mentality would have also prevented Concord from blowing out to a big a budget that it did. It wouldn't have stopped it from failing, but it would have also not cost them 400 million in the process.

>>719023196 (OP)
>if you lose you win
The absolute state of play

Failure isn't good. Failure is bad.
What's good is not being so afraid of failure that you never take risks or challenge yourself.

Even then, there are educated risks and then there's FAFO.
>If I don't drink this burning shot, how will I ever know if it'll set me and possibly the girl that I'm flirting with on fire?
Being a videogame company who's games deal in guns, swords, war, machines, construction, and all of these other things that men are biologically prone to be obsessed with and adopting a policy of hiring Karens, fags, and weak men into positions of influence to ensure that your games never commit the sin of being targeted at normal guys is firmly in "FAFO" territory.

>>719029648
>Dev says learning from mistakes is good
>Dev refuses to actually acknowledge what the mistakes were and come up with some pilpul kikery to blame it on something else (They themselves and everything they believe in are the mistakes)
>Shill and/or retard proceeds to defend them online

>>719023196 (OP)
still cant believe they closed all the Japanese studios

>>719029648
>proceeds to label everything as a "mistake"... except THAT
>doubles down
Very modern learning.

>>719028343
These people do not care about gaming, they only look at pie charts and listen to their experts telling them what the other corps are doing and how they need to chase that instead of focusing on what gamers want. They are just racing against the clock to get out with a golden parachute before the grift collapses.

>>719023196 (OP)
lmao making a video game isn't like sending someone off into space.

>>719025026
>$400m dollars completely gone
how does anyone still have a job there?

>>719039580
Yeah space travel would probably cost less

>>719039468
The rip up pie charts that tell them things that they don't want to hear. They fire people who demonstrate what you actually need to do to succeed.

They are stupid (at least when it comes to producing things of value to the public), but they're also narcissistic, petty, and malicious. You can't educate these people into reorienting their careers so that they're giving customers what they want. Why? Because they don't want to. They need to be replaced.

>>719040105
Corporations don't really care about money or profit anymore when taxpayers directly fund companies through the central reserve
America lives in corporate hell now

>>719040184
grim

>>719023196 (OP)
kek not only they didn't fire them, but they are actualy still being allowed to talk to journalist ? peak clown

>>719030137
>inoffensive but not a draw (the best that Concord can do)
>NPC vendor who sells you drugs in an alley
>girlboss
>obligatory weak effeminate white male drug addict
>randomly generated enemy who runs into the hallway to get gunned down by Commander Shephard

>>719023196 (OP)
I guess that's true, in the sense that someone stepping on a landmine will make everyone else be more careful where they walk. But yeah, learning to write off games before spending 400 million USD on development and buying the studio would be a good move.

>>719040365
The day where the industry pays the price for always coming back to the power in spite of repeated hospitalizations isn't far off.

They know it. But like the addict, they have cope.

>>719030693
>We appeal to middle aged gamers instead of young people with time and money
They did the same shit with the Asian granny.

>>719037379
And the fact it was $40 while many other hero shooters are free.

>>719042097
>young people
>time and money

>>719032490
If we did, Concord would still exist and Shadows would've been th most successful AC ever.

As you see, the opposite is what usually happens. The "plebs" become so disgusted with those at the top that they destroy them.

>>719042290
Zoomers live in luxury poverty. They work low wage jobs, live with their parents, and spend their tiny paychecks on gourmet coffee and video game skins.

>>719042097
Middle aged people are the ones with money.

But even middle aged people would prefer to play as a buck in his athletic prime, and even as far as older characters go, he hardly looks like a grizzled hardass (which is something that young guys can appreciate, as well). The muh representation argument is a delusion. People want to play as idealized characters, especially men, who are the main customers for videogames.

>>719032853
This is the real answer, or at least a part of it.

>>719033064
The world those vermin want will never exist. It cannot exist, for if we humans were that stupid, we would've gone extinct long before gaming was a thing.

They will continue to fail and make multiple different concords because they do not understand the problem on a base level.

>>719040184
Yes. TARP fail-outs for Wall Street under Dubbya and Obama completely freed it from serving the Customer, and these zombie companies now exist to spread neoliberal gov "Core Values"
Whether the game sells or not is irrelevant while the taxpayers are the ones footing the bill for these corporats' salaries

>>719023196 (OP)
Notice there was no acknowledgement that people just don't want to play live service games that aren't part of the established lot? The market is oversaturated. Frequent testing wouldn't have saved Concord.

>>719030137
honestly, they talk about better playtesting, but how would they handle most people just saying
>this game looks like woke slop, who would want to play it?
there are games that you can just look at and say without a shred of doubt months before it even releases that it's going to flop hard just from how the promotional material looks.

>>719042721
It would have established that people don't want to play live service games that aren't part of the established lot, which might have ultimately convinced Sony to fund an actually fun game instead.

Progressive leftards have been enabled for decades that now they simply don't understand that their ideas and behaviors are repulsive to most of the population.
Progressivism only works when it's free (through stealing money from taxes) and forced upon (by using that tax money to propagandize public services).
It simply can't survive in a free market scenario.

My starship naval battle hordemode indie made more money than AAA studio's multimedia franchise game.

>>719042760
>dustborn
>playtesting
I refuse to believe that anyone except rabid marxistst playtested that game since there's one part of the game that goes like this
>random NPC comments on how the game's version of progressives are trying to brainwash him through propaganda
>so you use your brainwashing super powers to convince him that he's in fact, not being brainwashed
Not even the most rabid /pol/tard could make such a parody of a game.

>>719042721
>>719043141
Live service does not explain the 10k-20k sales number. Those are numbers that would be disappointing for Idea Factory or early 2010s Gust.
Also, shortly before Marvel Rivals was the flop known as Marvel's Avengers. You know, I know, and they know what the biggest difference between Marvel's Avengers and Marvel Rivals is.
And why the gacha scene, which is mostly original IPs (there goes that excuse), is mysteriously still doing well and has plenty of hype.
And speaking of Marvel, that's basically been killed outside of Marvel Rivals. Kevin Feige's own son didn't care about Marvel until he played Marvel Rivals. You're going to try to tell me that a murdered franchise was the big difference maker? That's stupid.
The difference is Marvel Rivals has big bulky men and curvaceous, feminine women, and the atmosphere is that of the classic 90s Marvel which the west has disavowed rather than the M-She-U. As I mentioned above, when new fans who didn't care about Marvel discover it, it's appealing to them, too. Ergo, it's not brand recognition, but rather why the brand became recognized in the first place.

Concord is what happens when you take the training wheels off of wokeshit. No legendary IP or studio to parasitize, no bundles, no thumb on the scale. Just the game and the marketing (the game got lots of marketing and the whole internet knew it existed; it's not a failure to get the word out). And like every other woke game that fits this criteria, live service or otherwise, it flopped.

>>719032378
TLOU mind-broke sony

>>719023196 (OP)
>we learned that when you make projects that fail you spend less than 400 million dollars on them
BUSINESS GENIUS

>>719044907
If I could push a button and erase one game from existence, I wouldn't even have to think about it. TLOU.

It was the ultimate trojan horse. The wokeshit was low key enough that you wouldn't see it unless you understood how these people think, but it was present enough to push the narrative. The women were deliberately uglified, the wise community elder was a fat black girlboss (good luck finding that IRL), all evil and stupid people were white, all black people were good and smart, Christians were bad. Furthermore, it didn't bring anything original to the entertainment scene. The gameplay was already done in Uncharted, and the story was basically Resident Evil + War of the Worlds + The Road + that one movie where the last pregnant woman on Earth is a black chick. It was all derivative. That trojan horse is its only meaningful legacy.

>>719023196 (OP)
>actually my failures aren't my own fault because the old system allowed for them
>i actually helped improve everything in the long-run by highlighting the company's shortcomings and helping them improve on them
That's one way to look at it

>>719023196 (OP)
>It was never about the money
It's about sending a message.

>>719045534
SURELY, you are not speaking of the greatest story told in video games?

>>719026048
>uses in-game metrics to measure the 'success' of your game

>>719045942
>the message
No, it was literally about "forcing behaviors". You have Larry Fink from Blackrock publicly admitting that progressive marxist ideology is offputting and no sane person would adopt it naturally so you have to infect every aspect of life with it, until you beat down the overall population into accepting it because there's nothing else left.
What Larry Fink didn't account for is that even though they have an infinite money glitch, seeing companies burn billions of dollars actually emboldens people to fight back against forced behaviors.
And the best part is that while they have to use their brightest minds (lol) to work in new methods to propagandize media, the best way to fight back is to do absolutely nothing.
It's great.

>>719023196 (OP)
Faiures ARE good, when they don't cost $400 million.

>>719046872
Failures are good when they come from unexpected consequences or overlooked aspects of a concept.
When failures happen for obvious reasons, you're just a retard burning money.

>>719026774
>most vile jew imaginable fails catastrophically
>career prospects improve, everyone except him is punished
why does this always happen

>>719026774
What's wrong with his mouth?

So concord 2 can be a real thing?

>>719033248
I fucking love those lines asian chicks have under their eyes. Something about that gets me going.

>>719030137
I think blue lipstick has to be the worst thing ive ever seen in an actual video game. Its on tier with those hideous "fixed it" tumblr post where everyone looks like sandpaper. Horrible. Just absolutely irredeemably horrible.

>>719036685
Why dont game devs have their own Israel? I never knew they went through so much...

>>719045534
Thing is. TLoU1 wasn't woke in the slightest.
No obviously Jewish bullshit was being protected. No gender, sex, or pronoun politic bullshit. It was just a story about a man who lost his child to a disaster and coping in the fucked up world. Then Druckmann let off his tard leash and made DLC that ruined everything going forward forever.

>>719023196 (OP)
If concord was successful we would have 10 more live service slop games coming out within the next 3 years

>>719023196 (OP)
Is really funny to me they fully shut it down within two weeks. They didn’t even try

>>719045534
>and the story was basically Resident Evil + War of the Worlds + The Road + that one movie where the last pregnant woman on Earth is a black chick.
not even that, it's legitimately just a generic zombie outbreak from the perspective of randos
something so common that even got deconstructed long before TLOU, and eventually reconstructed in world war Z (the book, not the movie, which is legit good btw)
at least resident evil has corporatism and magitech nonsense
at least war of the worlds has a conflict against an opposing force
same with the road
TLOU is just a zombie outbreak but the virus is fungus

>>719023196 (OP)
Testing for what exactly? Has anyone even figured out why Concord flopped?

>>719029418
>popular video games and franchises (and Concord)
Wikipedia is gay as fuck for removing that part even though it's factually true.

>>719052296
>Oversaturated market
>Hideous art style
>Slow, plodding gameplay
>40USD price tag when many of its competitors are free
>Massive development costs ensuring that anything short of a market-dominating phenomenon will lose money

Every single person with a brain told them shit was poison as soon as it became public

>>719023196 (OP)
$400M+ cope

>>719027598
>have to travel whole fucking continents to kill a player

>>719032378
>the singular platformer mascot who survived under Sony funding to modern consoles did so out of pure luck

Great to know.

>go to playtest
>'ugh, these characters designs are fucking atrocious'
>'that's not what we're asking, chud! do you like the gun feel yes or not?'
>'ermm I guess? but the characters desi-'
>'he likes the gun feel, fund it'

>>719054295
>Implying anyone enjoyed the gun feel in this game
Shit was made by Destiny crucible devs and it shows.

>>719054643
3.5 billion to buy bungie well spent amirite

>>719029284
those weren't failures, they lived up to the hype, they just had accidents

>>719023196 (OP)
>"more rigorous and frequent testing"
He's saying this as if the game wasn't designed with focus groups and tested to death at every single step of the development. The problem is that they didn't ask and they didn't test with the relevant people. Maybe next time you should fucking ask what the unwashed "gamers" actually think about your game? Maybe listening to that diverse panel made 3/4th of black activist women that doesn't buy nor play video games wasn't such a good idea?

>>719023196 (OP)
IVe met someone like this before. They actually believe what they are saying.

>>719023196 (OP)
>Failures are good and that's a good thing
Sony concord shills btfo

>>719023196 (OP)
Learning from mistakes is good, yes, but that dumb fucking nigger shouldn't have a job after such a colossal failure.

>>719055536
He's herman fucking Hulst. He's a sociopath. The difference between him believing it, and pretending to doesn't exist.

>>719043642
If I ever make games, I will have a "we sold more than concord", continuous players beer for every project.

>>719032378
that's really sad. Sony used to have so much variety during the ps1 and 2 eras.

>it cost us 400000000 dollars to figure out why people used to hire QA testers
>that's good

>>719023196 (OP)
>The reprobates of /v/ doesn't grasp that failure and mistakes are how you learn to improve
Least surprising revelation in a long time

>>719061113
They don't need QA testers.
They need executives who can see a fat black woman in a turtle costume and recognize within half a second that NOBODY wants to play as that.

>>719026426
The entire top 5 really
>Generic white dude
>Conventionally attractive girl
>Generic white dude but green
>Cool black dude
>Conventionally attractive girl with helmet

>>719023196 (OP)
>Concord was not a bad game, it was well made and relatively bug free, but various factors (bad marketing, a paid title in a genre full of great free ones, bit generic)

Lol lmao. Anything to avoid saying the real reason.

>>719029291
yes, it's one of the best games ever even

>>719029785
that was only really a thing during the brown & bloom era, where shaved head was the easiest / cheapest way to stay at the cutting edge of graphics
infamous is like the only game i can recall with a gruff hairless guy that wasn't just chasing call of duty shooterbucks

>>719055193
I honestly don't know wtf he meant by saying more testing either, since they already do it a lot, especially Sony 1st-party, both on the bugs and "is this inclusive enough/will not offend anyone" end.

>>719027796
hey look anon don't wanna activate your almonds, but you do realize how dorito pope has been running his the TGA game advertisements show? for as long as (you) sincerely care about their results, they will hold power in exactly the way you hate all the corporate sludge
it's all the same shit with big budget adaptations, how some fans will jump at any opportunity to fellate hollywood cashgrabs even if they grandstand about not needing any of it

>>719046872
No. Failures are bad. Learning from failure is good. You don't need to be the one that failed to learn and sony sure as shit ain't learning.

>>719062596
It's literally not possible to have 'good taste' if you're only playing 2 games a year, fuck's sake

>>719029291
Bueno.
Delicious.
Refuse to understand why you failed.

>>719049836
I don't often notice them in Asian chicks, I don't know what you're on about. But the Chinks he posted are qts

Why is deadlock starting to succeed? I thought hero shooters were dead now?

>>719023196 (OP)
>Failures are good, even if we lose millions upon millions of dollars, at least it was Larry's dollars and not ours!

>>719030693
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

>>719030137
what is that design language called? DEI-punk?

>>719064994
magenta games

>>719023196 (OP)
You're suppose to make 10 failures that have a budget of 10 million, not 1 failure with a budget of 500 million.

If Sony did what it use to and just fund a ton of small games this would be fine, you throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks and even if the sales aren't amazing, you probably got your money back, and you usually found something that made bank. Then you can throw in a 100 million budget game or two that uses the good ideas.

7+ year dev cycles, half a billion budgets, can not fail, if they fail they destroy their franchise and the studio. It is a car wreck going 100 mph. It isn't slipping off your bike and getting some bruises and scrapes, it is fatal.

>>719030334
GoT cost 1/4 of Concord? That's rather surprising seeing the low quality of the character models

>>719023196 (OP)
I guess the message is 'if you're going to fail, it's better to fail so fucking bad you'll never fuck up like this ever again'

>>719065292
Why was he so right.

>>719023196 (OP)
>waste half a billion on nothing
>now they're wasting who knows how much testing new live service trash
>those games will also obviously bomb because california has taken over playstation
all the people in charge of playstation are just trying to burn the company to make bank or something

>>719023196 (OP)

>More rigorous and more frequent testing

How could we possibly have known that players wouldn't like our knife wielding troon protagonist?

>>719027598
the only people who played it were obviously mentally retarded

>>719065438
Sony bleeds money because they're fucking retarded. Their PC ports alone cost 30 million or more.

>>719029291
>concord was not a bad game

I don't think it was a bad game. It had pretty average gameplay; but spectacularly unlikable character design.

It would be like making PacMan; but instead of PacMan being a circle with a mouth he's a pile of festering shit. The gameplay might be good; but no one is going to play Festering Shit Man.

>>719065292
Bean counters do not understand this. They think that if you put more money into a project, you get more money out at the other end. This has completely killed the gaming market, which has gone from dozens of major releases per year to... like 3? And now the whole market is collapsing because even the retards are getting sick of waiting 3 years to play the exact same game over and over.

>>719027598
>more than the circumference of Earth
Were they tallying the travel distance of every single player-to-server packet? My only possible guess.

>>719035820
Nice jpg education. But it's actually the Euromutts that got raped into extinction during the Migration period. Which is why they were never a unified force after it. Hunnic tribes erasing Rome, Bulgar Khanate, Avar Khaganate, Cumans just deciding to spread their seed after converting to Christianity, Khazars entrenching Judaism so hard Europe is still the Ashkenazi hotspot to this day etc. just border gored into nothingness.

>Mongol
Mongols lost in 70 years and have spent the previous and next centuries under the Chinese. Even the larpers are now studying either Mandarin or Russian.

>Jurchen
Got conquered and bought like whores during Ming. Never to exist anymore.

>Machu
Imaginary idpol. Those are northern Han that bred out the Jurchen slaves when they bought them after natural disasters lol. "Manchu" itself is short of "Manchuria" which is literally just China.

>Assorted Brown Mystery Meat
Bro you literally got niggered. Not even as a joke you got moored so hard the entire med region look like Arab hapas now. What's more these mystery meats then fucked off to Amerishitlandia - land of the melting pots. To breed and get breed by Mexicans, Bantus, SEAs, Indians, Pakis you name it.

And that's not going to change for the better. Your nations are raped and mutted out of existence. Go pray on a carpet.

>>719029291
I'm saving this for banner season

Did they ever think of testing their game ideas on a human?

>>719049836
Aegyo Sal makeup
Part of Ulzzang look

>>719064137
those are Koreans, here's their Chinese friend
Chinese also have Aegyo Sal in their Douyin makeup

>>719068182
Yes- but they only test it on an approved human who'll tell them what they want to hear.

>>719068232
Bend over. More are on their way.

>>719068302
same goes for china
but cope more

>>719026048
Fellow Bazz-tards...
W-what is our cope?

>>719037112
>nothingburger narrative will help us bounce back westranny sisters...
Cope. The westacuck layoffs will continue. Chinese games will continue raping Steamchart threads.

>>719068339
>n-n-no u too!
lol
China will still be China in a generation or two. A billion people strong even if they were to lose half a billion people.

You though? Mumbai. And no cope will help you.

>>719068432
why chinkoids are so retarded?
everyone here is cheering for them to fall and honestly its not like chink corpos produced anything of value
>>719068578
yeah and it still gonna be polluted shithole like it is now, i guess you should stop getting high on your own farts
its not that china get much better, its just west that fallen

>>719048728
You know why

>>719068657
>everyone here
You don't speak for me you liberal cuck. Shove that copium ad populum up your ass.

>polluted
Literally peaked in CO2 emissions already and going down. They'll have hydro and nuclear and you'll have pajeet poop fuel running your bankrupted rusted belt factories.

>>719068885
then go back bugman if your hive is so great

This is the standard Japanese mindset. Learn everything you can from your mistakes, call it an experiment, cut your losses, try to frame it as a good thing then cut their losses and move on

iirc it was the ceo of Honda back in thr 80's who once said "failure is the mother of success"

>>719023196 (OP)
>gamesradar

commie trannie outlet

>>719027598
battle royal in a nutshell

>>719035820
and yet every one of them became "chinese" at the end. China always plays the long game anon.

>>719023196 (OP)
Testing and reviews but nobody is allowed to point out the real problems because it would be career suicide. Meaning there will be more meetings, more consultants, more team leaders and more time put into accomplishing nothing.
Sounds like concord 2 will be even more expensive and that people will pretend to be shocked that nobody could see it fail even harder

>>719026394
Concord's character gameplay designer already got rehired as a lead designer at Blizzard lmao.

>>719023196 (OP)
telling a woke fagget to listen and learn is like trying to make a poojeet stop street shitting.

This is why they are mentally ill in the first place they refuse to change themselves for the better, mentally and physically.

If Yoko Taro can create a game about a beautiful girl with a penis and sell millions then trannies have dropped the bar so low they should actually neck themselves for being complete failures.

>>719023196 (OP)
Fail Fast doesn't mean you prop up a studio of morons and idea people with half a bil for a decade you FUCKING MORONS! It means you dump bad ideas as quickly as possibly while enabling prototyping and mvp's to get made as fast as possible.
I HATE IT HERE FUUUUUUUUCCCCK!

>>719076086
Yoko taro never made a game about a beautiful girl with a penis.

>>719066616
The issue with gaming and pretty much entire corporate entertainment industry is that it is inherently a volatile high risk/high reward market where gambling can have massive payoffs. Kind of investors who want guaranteed profits and stable growth don't really have any reason to invest in video games.

>>719029487
this is the thing, the game was fine on a technical level, or at least not bad

but it was so repulsive with its woke designs that it is a symbol of leftist delusions and they turn themselves into knots trying to cope with it

>>719023196 (OP)
Bump

>>719023196 (OP)
>more rigorous testing
What are these niggers talking about. Bugs were the least of its problems

>>719026048
>so the industry can crash and burn harder and faster
it won't crash and burn, it's will crash and get bought up by China and Saudi Arabia
we'll see how their woke shit will fare in the future

>>719023196 (OP)
>Hermen Hulst
Lol it's that neutered eurocuck behind the Horizon games. Snoy is fucked.

Maybe the suits at Sony need to act like men for once and admit to their failures and lay down proper plans to prevent them from happening instead of "We'll just keep pushing for paid GAAS in a market saturated with free ones!"

>>719023196 (OP)
one would think they'd do the "rigorous" testing beforehand, but hey, that's just me...

>>719084581
Yeah, that's not happening.
They'll keep chasing that white whale until they fucking sink.

>>719087124
They're going to receive a reminder of what happens to companies that don't innovate in a red ocean environment.

>>719023196 (OP)
I thought the "line must go up" mentality was a meme
I guess it was not

>>719066596
PC ports have also contributed stepping on the remaster rake of PS4 games that don't need one just because the PC never got a port only for said port to also flop.
Sony don't seem to realise the PoserCommunity want the games more out of FOMO than genuine interest, so when you give the console base no selling point the PC fags won't pick up the slack.
Before anyone cries, I'm not totally apposed the PC ports. I think staggering them was working just fine, although I'd adopted a strategy of waiting for the gen to roll over so the games are relatively light and can run on laptops
or something like the Steam deck for better market saturation, and the console fags also get a whole generation of exclusivity to drive all those lucrative subscriptions and royalties. Seems like a win win to me, I see to better strategy for Sony than that.

>>719089520
Forgot to attach pic related.

>>719023196 (OP)
>They keep digging their grave deeper
Based nothing of value will be lost and the talent they have locked away will then come free
>Some people will never find a job in the gaming industry again
Going by last decades performance among AAA across the board; Good.

>>719076381
Kaine.

>>719065265
i wonder what the next color theme trend will be. my generation had the piss tint, zoomers have bisexual lighting, but what will gen alpha have.

>>719032378
Their reasoning is obviously dumb but R&C 2016 having never been made would've been no great loss

>>719079813
>get bought up by China and Saudi Arabia
>we'll see how their woke shit will fare in the future
It will corrupt and infest chinese and suadi studios the same it did Japan.
You don't understand the plan, but that's okay. That means it is working

>>719090105
Piss filter >>>> bisexual lighting.

>>719026048
>they chose the white dude, that's it! cancel the game right now!