Thread 719034762

>Hey chivalry, watch this
>*fucking dies*

So fucking disappointed in this game.
Fun voicelines, great customization and variety for both weapons and armour, excellent gameplay that genuinely felt like chivalry 2.0, and then they released it with THREE large maps and no mod support. Even now 6 years after there's only 10 large maps and the mod support is dogshit. Chivalry had a fucking trillion maps and a super active modding community, you could play for days and not see some maps repeat, everything felt different and new, whereas in mordhau they decided to appeal to comp autists who just want to do the exact same thing day in day out with zero variation forever, but SHOCKINGLY enough those guys only made up like 0.1% of potential players. Its especially noticeable with the new cosmetics that all take like 20+ hours of playtime to unlock, they're not meant for normal people theyre meant for sweaty lifeless autists.

They also completely ruined the fun boys club vibe/community by stomping out all fun with obnoxious chat censorship and adding goofy immersion breaking women knights because annoying redditors who never even played the game complained about it.

So much potential and they fucked it all up, they wont even finish releasing their modkit because theyre ashamed and don't want actually talented people to surpass them and save their game, they'd rather let it die.

And chivalry 2 is floaty dogshit spyware that still has the goofy spinning bullshit that killed the first game.

>>719035674
Chivalry maps were also much better designed with more variety, fun mood lighting and varying weather/times of day, more space and potential flanking routes, more varied objectives, more visual and gameplay variety within the maps themselves, etc etc etc.

>>719034762 (OP)
It was too skill based liked chivalry 1. Most players want a game that makes them feel skilled without actually having to be skilled. Its partially understandable because nobody has fun losing 8v1s over and over to some fag with a million hours in the game, but it reveals the irony of the general attitude of players that claim to want skill based games. This game and chivalry 1 prove otherwise. People want games like souls sloppa that make them feel skilled but which in reality only requires them to mash one button repeatedly to win.

>>719034762 (OP)
why did they add women? thought it was going to save them? should have worked on more maps and what >>719035674 said

>>719034762 (OP)
stouty thread

>>719036151
>why did they add women?
because they added blacks
if you add blacks then why wouldnt you also add womon

>>719036243
this is stouty btw he linked the thread on Stoutlaws

>>719035943
>It was too skill based liked chivalry 1.
Omega fucking lulz thanks for being this retarded man the internet just wouldn't be the same without your kind

>Hey Dark Souls, watch this
>*fucking development hell for 12 years and counting*

bumping because stouty paid me to

>>719035943
>skill based
>entire system dependent on flailing around like a retard due to terrible block timer and drag accells
>Only counter to 3/3/3 executive suite was a maul that required 6x the skill to win with because it couldn't combo and dragged like shit

Saying Mordhau required skill is like going to an alternate universe where Bhops never got removed from CS, and were instead double downed on, and the entire match was people trying to goomba stomp each other and if you fired a shot you would be immediately killed from some inane and pointless mechanic.

>>719036365
If everyone could spin, they would have, and nobody would have a problem with it. It was a skill, even if you didnt like it, and clearly you didnt have it. Hopefully the next iteration of these games has a low enough ceiling for you.

>>719037123
See >>719037137
these are all skills. They’re not something a fresh player can just pick up and do. You have to learn them and they all require more effort to do than say, pressing one button to generate i-frames.

QRD on Stouty? I've never played this game btw.

As someone who has only played Chivalry 2, I can't say anything about Mordhau. But god DAMN am i fucking mad that Torn Banner is wasting all their time and money on a failed Zombie Extraction shooter of all things, instead of continuing to make fun slasher games for me to run around screaming in
Corpos ruin everything, no exception

>>719034762 (OP)
chiv 2 gets what, twice the average playercount as mordhau?
they're both dead

>>719037545
Chiv 2 has a large console player base of which I am a part. It was given away for free at least once on PS, and they offer it as a "free" game on gamepass and the upper tiers of psn subscription. i have never waited more than a minute to get into a 64 player match, but i live in NA East so the servers are probably more full than others

>>719037331
he was some mordhau youtuber who also played chivalry back in the day like everyone else
he's good at the game, but unfortunately retarded and occasionally comes to /v/ and makes a fool of himself

>>719034762 (OP)
>sweatlords meta the balance by screeching at devs and blowing smoke up their ass with talk of esports
>accels and drags were never addressed ever
>sweatlords proceed to pubstomp the playerbase into the dirt with 80:1 KDRs
Torn Banner had the right idea focusing on team obj. Compfags and sweats should never be allowed to influence game balance.

>>719037286
It's not a skill. It's a technique. Spacing and timing is a skill. Rolling into an attack instead of away is a technique.

I switched mice and learned to drag and my KDA literally quadrupled. I didn't suddenly get 5x better. I started abusing a broken mechanic. Then I stopped playing.

>>719037863
>its a skill not a technique
Semantics. Most people couldnt do it and ended up quitting because of it. Your anecdotal argument doesnt change that fact.

>>719034762 (OP)
>chivalry: HAHAHAH- *dies*

>>719037031
>and counting
bro... this shit was canceled ages ago. It's dead.

I've just been playing horde and demon horde since the last update. Being a knight while fighting waves of zombies and devils with bros is like playing the arcade game of my dreams.

>>719035674
Had a friend who was in the alpha, because he was friends with one of the devs whom used to play chiv 1 competitively.
Alpha
>gave you all cosmetics
>allowed you free customization of your character
Then, the beta drops
>adds the level/gold system
>if you at any point open your old characters it'll take the skins you haven't 'bought' yet off
>get grinding goyim
Niggery. Yes, it's literally just skins and shit, but that's fucking niggery. You don't add cool customization and lock it behind niggery, all games are better when you're allowed to look how you want from the get-go with cool options instead of bending the knee to niggery.
>stouty
Dunno who he is at heart but he offered literal lessons on how to play the game that people would pay money for, so that's grifting kike niggery, so he's a sub-nigger anyways.
Anyone who actually played Mordhau competitively is a nigger, if I'm being frank. Games like it were made to be hella fun with friends and Mordhau lasted all of a month before niggery came about
>but it's people learning the ga-
It's niggery. You can make a good melee combat game that doesn't bend the knee to stupid niggery, just the same you can release timely updates instead of spending SIX! SIX FUCKING MONTHS AFTER RELEASE! To release ONE! ONE FUCKING WEAPON! THAT'S ALSO FUCKING BROKEN!
and then later release the map that was already in the game files (but now it has a name!) months after that as a new level, and it sucks dick anyways.
Mordhau was a bunch of pasty niggers committing nigger behavior, taking the money and running, and it left a bunch of grifting niggers in its wake.
No game should take multiple years to be 'good', and even then what's good in Mordhau is the cool as fuck co-op mode.
Peak niggery, peak kikery, I kill all niggers with steel-toed boots via stomps to the skull.

Go outside, Stouty. Stop being a nigger and get off your PC.
Nigger.

>>719034762 (OP)
6 years is a long time. It's not a GaaS game so what the fuck did you expect?

I'll play Mordhau 2 when it comes out. Chivalry 2 is trash.

>>719038016
Most people weren't retarded enough to enjoy having to play like a spastic*

>>719038227
meds

it's always funny how /v/ acts like they're all serious gamers who care about skill expression and difficult hardcore games, but in practice you all just end up whining about it
like imagine starting tf2 for the first time in 2025 and complaining that everyone else is too good at the game. Yeah, most of the playerbase has been around for over a decade, what do you expect? If you download starcraft you're also not going to be able to go toe to toe with experienced players. This is just the reality of any high skill game, you need to actually put time and effort in to get good.
I don't know why games like mordhau and chivalry get this specific kind of complaint and games like tf2 don't. Maybe it just feels more personal to be humiliated in melee combat than to be shot in an fps.
Anyway mordhau is a lot of fun, here's a clip of me fisting the king to death from the other day

Do we have faith in Ad Mortem, bros?

>>719038437
I'm cautiously optimistic, just not a big fan of 5v5 competitive gamemode stuff

>>719038351
Sure buddy. Everyone could just pick up dragging and rainbows but didnt want to. The ones that did all started wracking up enormous 5:1 kd ratios and decided to quit because of it. Who are you trying to fool. This reads like sour grapes from someone who could never get it.

>>719038016
>Most people couldnt do it and ended up quitting because of it.
source?
drags and accels aren't hard to do, you literally just move your mouse either into or away from your swing
everyone can do that after like 30 minutes of playing because it's a core mechanic
People quit because the game doesn't have enough maps and very little new content after the first couple years

Chivalry 2 is more fun

>>719035674
the best thing this game gave us is that the voice actors reprised their roles in butterlord

>>719038757
why do you think so?

>>719038016
It's not semantics at all. I was on a fucking BALL MOUSE and I could drag. EVERYONE could drag. People left because they either assumed the servers were fucked and not registering blocking properly or they thought it was retarded and bailed.

And that's just what happens when you let a single technique dominate the entirety of a game.

>>719038918
this never happened

>>719038748
You’re drastically overestimating the skill of the average player. Most people could not drag, and even if they did, they couldnt do it well. Most of the complaints about the game were about dragging and rainbows. The complaints you’re talking about came from people that did get it, and therefore stuck around.

>>719038918
No thats survivorship bias. Most people couldnt drag. The ones that remained left because of the issues you’re talking about.

I still play. I'm Vien 'Quitonm on East/Central

>>719039015
>>719039121
most people can drag
people who can't drag should be filtered and go play something for retards who can't move their mouse
am I talking to stouty right now? The reality is that the game needs swing manipulation or else it turns into a stamina match. Swing manipulation has always been a core mechanic since chiv 1, if you don't like it then you were never going to like it and never did like it, so why are you here?

Chivalry 2 is great

>>719039345
I think you misunderstand. Im for drags and to a lesser extent i am for rainbowing too. But its undeniable that most people could not do it, which is why they left. Most people couldnt grasp the concept of not aiming at their target.

>>719039727
most people can't rocket jump
it's a stupid complaint

>>719035943
There's plenty of games more skill based than Mordhau but these games usually have:
a) solid matchmaking/mmr system that allow you to play vs players of similar skill until you get better/learn the meta tactics and builds. In Mordhau almost no one played rankeds the last time I checked and other than the low lvl servers you could face anyone.
b) better learning/mastery curve, Mordhau has no learning curve. You learn the basics and immediately face the abyss of man-made terrors you can't even comprehend.

It's kinda like R6, you reach a point where you sort of get it and then you suddenly realise you're completely dogshit and it would take you thousands of hours to beat people who gamble and abuse last split second feints, people who mastered hit boxes and phantom hits, unreadable waterfalls and friese drags etc.

>>719039797
Im just saying it how it is. Its not a complaint i share.

>>719039827
This is true. Like i said nobody has fun losing 8v1s in pub to some guy with a million hours on the game.

>>719038978
What didn't happen?

>>719039121
Literally everyone can drag. If you sat them down and put a gun to their head and showed them a youtube video they'd be dragging in around 5 minutes tops.

But you don't have a gun to their head. So they say "not interested in flailing around like a retard" and jump ship. And in any other sport, any other game, any other art or job, this is recognized as peoples preferences and is normal.

But you're still bitter the normals rejected your dollar store ravioli step and so you've convinced yourself a basic dark souls 2 PVP technique is the pinnacle of skill.

>>719035942
>Going apeshit on peasants
>Burning grain with torches
>Mass fucking melees around the corpse cart, then claustrophobic fighting knee-deep in water around the sluice wheels, and finally trying to break down wooden barricades to stab helpless nobility to death
God. I miss it.

Even if the game was so shit, we didn't know how good we had it.

I can drag, I just don't like it. The game is really immersive at a low level, but the better I got the more clowny it looks. At that point I can just go play For Honor.

>>719038832
nta but Mordhau combat doesn't look as good from first person. Not having a good guy v bad guy for teams is lame. Lack of character. Maps and modes.

>could have expanded the game with tons of and maps, game modes, and mod support
>instead spend their time adding women and nigs
Fuck this game dude, imagine if it could have hapen custom games like CS Source but medieval. Imagine Mordhau Jailbreak or some shit.

>>719040391
that's fair
I agree, but I don't think it's enough to make chiv 2 more fun

>>719035674
>And chivalry 2 is floaty dogshit spyware that still has the goofy spinning bullshit that killed the first game
Chiv 2 is the first game in the genre where it isn't just people contorting their characters to inhumane lengths to wack someone with a bullshit hitbox. Yes people are spinning around with dane axes but theres no animation jank. I've been playing the game recently as an ambusher that deals extra damage to opponents from behind, so I get easy kills when someone does sperge swing and exposes their back to me

>>719040189
>but people just didn’t want to do it
Sour grapes

>>719040381
>>719040698
nobody cares about your ubisoft moba rock paper scissors simulator

>>719040563
chivalry 2 has more forgiving turncaps than mordhau though

>>719040804
>rock paper scissors simulator
It's just a fancy 3D fighting game, you're just mad cuz you sucks lol

>chivalry was ruined by discoball queens that extended their tracers to 720+ degrees
>mordhau was ruined by the faked animation waterfall/rainbow spergs that clip you from hitboxes that don't connect on your screen
Why these types of games can never get the physics/hitboxes right.

>>719036151
I don't give a rats ass about the women, Mordhau died when they refused to fix the drag abuse and feint spam which is what killed Chivalry.

>>719040608
Right because everyone wishes they could be as cool as one of the 7 remaining Mordhau competitive players but can't because moving a mouse more than you'd expect is hard somehow.

>>719041186
>but cant because moving a mouse
Yes

Half Sword is the future.

>>719041668
Playing with real swords is easier than this game

>>719041668
>full plate armor
>doesn't protect his neck
lmao

>>719034762 (OP)
I still play Mordhau, Chiv 2 just isn't very fun gameplay-wise. Mordhau's depth is very important for long-term replayability.
I just hope we get an RPG/MMO game with this combat, someone needs to pull it off.

>>719041781
That's not full plate armor

>>719041863
Clearly not it doesn’t protect the neck

>>719041781
I once saw a clip of him slipping the sword through a visor, let me see if I can't find it

personally i am of the line of thinking that the mordhau devs should add trans knights to save the game

It's still the best melee combat I've ever experienced in a game. I love timed parry and I love ripostes and it sucks to see such wasted potential. The whole "reee the sweatlord is ballerina dragging animation exploit cucumber fucking me" exists but is blown way out of proportion. The problem was the incompetent devs who hated comp fags and fucked casuals fags in that process. And also they should've fucking had better mod support

>>719040698
it only has 4k players but I'm surprised how dedicated they are. Does the game still get content?

>>719041781
how would you even will someone in full plate?

>>719034762 (OP)
>nerf cavalry
>die
Good riddance.

>>719042979
It has crossplay so the number is closer to 10k. They recently added a new rapier hero

>>719036348
that is just fucking sad if true, can the retard just move on already? fucking barneyfag behavior

>>719034762 (OP)
history repeats itself it seems

>>719042896
I just remember when I quit the go to move was turning your back to the enemy, crouching, looking fully up, and doing an overhead.
If they did it fast enough it just deleted you due to the way the hit box came out.

>>719043770
you're thinking of chivalry

>>719036151
>>719036317
thanks, i played the game before all this shit and was just thinking i should try it again. just uninstalled it thanks to your reminders

>>719034762 (OP)
I can't believe /v/ memed me into buying this

>>719043126
>has crossplay
there is next to no difference between bots and c*nsole players, 4k is more correct

Chivalry won and FP niggers lost

>>719038209
Yea I kindof wish there was a game just made around this. Makes me wonder why there isnt a game like Mount and Blades Full Invasion but a fully realized game

>>719038421
>If you download starcraft you're also not going to be able to go toe to toe with experienced players.
Yes you can. You can very easily begin to understand the multiplayer and how to mirco/macro at a higher skill level. Also the matchmaking is entirely skill based and there is shitters for beginners too. Starcraft will never ever throw a brand new player fresh off the campaign straight at a Korean in the top leagues. He will never see that level of skill without a hundred hours of grinding the ladder.

The issue with Mordhau is the tutorial doesn't even come close to how the game is actually played. Then throws you right into the fire since none of these sweaty faggots play ranked, so you get matchmade with all of them immediately. Nowhere do the basics cover the janky twisty bullshit that the experienced playerbase does to get in a hit that a new player would have zero clue how to even begin to react towards. What makes the feeling worse is that you legit do not understand how/why you died to someone turning like a bayblade and catching you with the very tip of an axe on the backswing. Its bullshit. Its an awful game that should have never listened to its meta faggots who helped ruin the game.
Occasionally Mordhau will get a sale going and then the new blood goes 0-52 on every match and none will stay, the game cannot retain anyone new and will actually die of old age.

>>719041668
It is but it's also such an unexplored concept that it's going to take a very long time to refine adequately

let's be honest, chiv 1 was an awesome game. the devs themselves had no idea what they'd created.

all the combat techniques had to be discovered, and were an emergent phenomena of the core underlying movement mechanics.

with mordhau a lot of that magic was lost, in a way because there wasn't much to discover. the mechanics were actually much more rigid compared to chiv 1...

...which is exactly what the community had asked for, and why as a game dev you must *never* take your players' suggestions at face value.

>>719047213
yes, the starcraft ladder has skill based matchmaking and mordhau has a server browser.
regardless you can't learn starcraft in a couple of days and go up against people who have been playing for decades. Like you say, you need to spend hundreds of hours grinding the ladder
mordhau is no different, you can still get good if you spend hundreds of hours playing, but the complaints are still always about mechanics people think are unfair because they're not willing to put the time in and struggle.

Kinohau > Cuckalry

>>719034762 (OP)
I tried a free weekend they had ages ago and it's always online which is why i never bought it. Seriously, why is there no offline LAN and more modes with AI? Weapons like Mauls were also disgustingly overpowered in PvP and it honestly seemed like there were some people using cheats to always perfect block your attacks, even when attacked from behind.

>he didn't like Crossroads
>he didn't like playing chicken by jumping in front of the mortar, killing everyone on the rooftop
filtered

>refused to patch out turning away or into your strikes
>two handed sword strike spamming is the meta
>community is nonexistent so it's the same thousand sweats who have been playing for several years
Same exact story as Mount and Blade and Chivalry.

>>719048151
>mordhau is no different, you can still get good if you spend hundreds of hours playing, but the complaints are still always about mechanics people think are unfair because they're not willing to put the time in and struggle.
disingenious to compare the relatively clean mechanics of an RTS to abusing broken animation and unreadable glitches in mordhau

>>719048790
>Crossroads
Man, i loved that map. It was so much fun riding a horse and killing people with my spear.

>>719048991
>abusing broken animation and unreadable glitches in mordhau
not a thing

>>719048151
>Like you say, you need to spend hundreds of hours grinding the ladder
>mordhau is no different
No it isn't you nigger. You will never EVER fight someone else at a skill level on par with you if you are new. Only just constantly getting stomped into the dirt by autistic niggas who only play this one game. Starcraft tutorializes itself very well, you can fully comprehend how the game is played and the highest level of skills are still entirely based upon the fundamentals that you learn within the first hour. All new players will fight with the lowest skilled players or newest players as well. You absolutely will have fun and win within a few matches without an issue.
All of the shit you learned in the tutorial of Mordhau goes out of the window immediately upon the first match with abusing animations and swings that make you die without even a hint as to what the hell is even going on. Why would anyone new suffer through a thousand hours of unfair and unfun matches when they can play an actual good game? Your game deserves its fate.

>>719049348
>not a thing
its the thing to in mordhau. breaking animations and bullshit unreadable unintuitive moves.

>>719049458
you're just whining that being 6pooled is broken and unfair
mordhau does not have unreadable moves

Chivalry 1 was better, its fucking bullshit that Chivalry 2 still doesn't have custom maps.

>>719034762 (OP)
Ruined when ass mad looney-troons banned racism from lobby chats.

>>719049731
>you're just whining that being 6pooled is broken and unfair
>mordhau does not have unreadable moves
delusional. the broken backspin where you cant even see the weapon touching you somehow damaging you is why your shit game is dead and dusted.

>>719046204
why not? they haven't add black women, crippled and trannies yet, and abandoned development
therefore the game will remain black woman, cripple and tranny free forever which is based

>>719034762 (OP)
Define dead. I can join a full FFA-server and have fun at all times of the day

>>719042704
>>719041668
this looks really cool, is it vr shit?

>>719047213
That other fgt picked a dogshit example, because he's a.zoomer who's only played dogshit.

It's more like picking up quake 3 and expecting your asshole not to get shredded by some 45 year old who's been playing for 26 years. Just not as rough as that obviously.

Seriously try picking that up or tribes 2

>>719050905
It's an upcoming game. You can play the tech demo right now actually. Just be prepared for a janky tech demo.

>>719034762 (OP)
Man, played on release was pottery. Everyone went crazy, not retarded sweaty tryhard faggots.

>>719050905
No.

>>719035942
Chivalry 1/2 are more fun in general than Mordhau because it takes a lot of concepts from Battlefield games. The class system is strong, it is objective based combat, very team focused tactics, etc. Makes it a lot more fun.

another good clip from the old days