Thread 719060994

What the fuck happened

>>719060994 (OP)
Microsoft

>>719060994 (OP)
It strayed way too far from what I’d consider to be a doom game. ID should have made a few gameplay tweaks and just made this the revival of the Heretic/Hexen franchise. This game barely feels like doom desu.

>>719060994 (OP)
It's good and fun and fast and cool. In spite of the mech missions. You are just lame.

>>719061952
Eternal was everything you just described

>>719060994 (OP)
Giant mechs had no weight, dragon sections were hilariously stiff, both laughably simple.
Parrying was insanely telegraphed to the point of feeling like it was made for toddlers, unless you turned the gamespeed up to the point where the animations felt goofy.

Rest of the game felt good, parrying and shield charge were a good idea and it was a fun game but felt like a step back from Eternal, particularly the variety sections.
Which is a shame, because a game like modern Doom could've really benefited from some good variety interspersed.

>>719060994 (OP)
Doom

They blew their budget on story cutscenes everyone skipped and stuffed the game with horrible padding that makes replaying it extremely tedious.

>>719060994 (OP)
They released a 12 hour long game for $80 while simultaneously putting it on Game Pass day one. Suicidally stupid marketing.

Mick Gordon cast a fucking curse on Marty.

>>719060994 (OP)
>fuck over your creatives
>it loses it soul
shrimple as

it was a perfectly good 8/10 game

people have lost the grasp on how hard it's to make a game like doom eternal and how rare it is for AAA fps games to reach that level. it's like trying to follow up appetite for destruction

>>719060994 (OP)
A man jaw woman bosses Doomguy around.

The boss-girl commander in a Doom game with a huge sword that looks like a guy, and she orders you around on the comms, totally removing any feeling of independence, no only that but the slayer, is essentially her slave, being released like a pet from captivity.

They got woke-skold Debra Wilson to voice the girl boss. Actor notorious because the establishment gives her roles in all woke projects (like Pedro Pascal).

7:31
https://youtu.be/aygfWoIbqdQ?si=Q4sti6L5tctStumz&t=451

The requirements for ray tracing or whatever pu a lot of people off.

>>719063632
I hope his score for Routine is good

>>719060994 (OP)
Nothing? It's not offensively bad. It's probably worse than eternal but I'm sure some people prefer the slower playstyle. Does everything have to be doom and gloom with you people?

>>719060994 (OP)
DOOM16 was the formula perfected though could have done without glory kills, they tried to find more things to streamline in Eternal and only came out with gimmicks, the positive reception of that game lead them to believe that gameplay styles on hard rails is what players wanted, this is why the Stand And Fight tagline came up, as if every Doom game had a specific style of gameplay they were going for from the outset, which was not the case.

>>719063632
The only way I can describe Marty's ost is
>wet farts

>>719067104
Good thing Mick is the composer

>>719060994 (OP)
I like the medieval meets futuristic theme, the music, the demons, even the slower combat because I'm not the typical Doom player. What killed it for me was the collecting shit in obscure areas (FOMO/OCD) and the red light/green light parry system.

They had perfection with Eternal and didn't know where to go.
I imagine the development was filled with hysteria trying to improve upon what was already perfect.

>>719067127
Have you heard it? You can literally turn it off and nothing will change.

>>719066979
>A man jaw woman
This is what she looked like in concept art before microsoft forced them to change it.

>>719060994 (OP)
>insisting on story and ‘lore’ which nobody cares about in eternal either
>gameplay changes for no reason other than the devs wanted to
The devs just didn’t want to hear that after 2016 people just wanted more Doom, they had to reinvent the wheel every time

>>719067175
In The Dark Ages? Yeah, cause they got rid of Mick after Marty Stratton had an actual fucking sperg out on Reddit.

>>719067568
>Frankly we're too fucking nice
They were unironically treating him like shit. Poor Gordon had to just take it for over a year

I’m replaying 2016 atm and it’s crazy how much more well handled the story is than eternal or TDA. It’s there if you want but it’s felt more than seen, only existing to provide mood to the fighting and exploration. Besides doom guy there’s only 3 characters and they’re all well acted with simple understandable motivation. The levels also lead into one another to create a cohesive whole which they completely abandoned in eternal.

>>719060994 (OP)
doom got the modern halo treatment.
a studio who doesn't like the core gameplay trying to make the beloved series about anything else.
We already saw this with Eternal, where half the game was about retarded 1st person platforming and environmental """"""""""""""""""puzzles""""""""""""""""""""".
It was only natural The Shart Ages would have another gimmick that heavily detracted from the shooting

>>719067827
>It’s there if you want but it’s felt more than seen
I remember the documentary for 2016 and Hugo addressed this by saying that's THE philosophy they wanted to follow with these new games. For whatever reason he took the opposite approach in the sequels.

Mick Gordon won.

>>719060994 (OP)
can't run it

>>719067827
The story is still incredibly generic and grating to sit through on repeat playthroughs. At least Eternal let you skip its marvel slop cutscenes. Althougheverthemorebeit nobody should be playing Doom for the story.

>>719068268
>generic
Classic
And grating for what, the singular walk n talk with Hayden? The complaints about unskippable story are massively overblown.

>>719068353
Yes generic cause I've replayed it thrice, including last year, and don't remember a thing except that 10 minute talk with Hayden and 5 minutes of watching Olivia open a portal. I need to shoot niggas and those slow the already slow game down to a screeching halt.

Say it

>>719068419
It’s a retarded complaint to tune out of the incredibly straightforward story then complain that there’s no memorable story. It’s a perfectly serviceable plot for atmosphere and vibes and 2016s vibes beats its sequels ass without contest

>>719062869
Fuck Eternal and it’s forced ADHD gameplay tho

>>719068268
Eternal could have had a really cool story.
>slowly building up your tony stark space-ship instead of it already existing
>exploring the hellscape on earth and meeting ephemeral pocket towns trying to hold out
>demons being more characterized than mindless red orcs
>doom guy isn't a god, just a possible super-human
But Doom "fans" want absolutely none of that because "porn and story XDD", especially after the capeshit-tification of dark ages.

>>719068268
No cares about story in doom.

>>719066979
The DLC will be about her, mark my words, they focused a lot on her new powers for a reason, she will be playable

>>719068894
>bro just turn your brain off!!!
The logical extrapolation of this worthless sentiment is how we got the endgame portals scene in the eternal DLC

>>719068919
I doubt it's getting DLC now

>>719068894
Marty Stratton thinks you should care.

>>719060994 (OP)
they should have looked at doom 3 for lessons on how to make a good game

>>719069378
Doom 3 was terrible thoughbeit

>>719069205
It came with the premium edition, so now they have to release it

>>719069432
Oof. Imagine the morale at ID.

Heres the take: All of these nu-dooms suck ass. Doom 2016 was ...serviceable at best. Felt like an unfinished demo game desu. Not length wise, but just everything about the way it felt. Didn't feel complete, like it needed way more time to bake. But somehow people LOVED it and sent ID the wrong way. Eternal and Dark Ages are both fucking terrible games.

>>719069550
even simpler:
Doom has always been shit

>>719062071
Hi dev

>>719069598
Honestly, you're not wrong.

>>719069690
Honestly Skyrim is the only good FPS ever made.

>>719069690
Can we finally admit that Wolfenstein 3D was always the superior game?

>>719068894
Then why did these retards waste time making all this marvel story and "lore"?

>>719060994 (OP)
Great game that should have probably skipped the gimmick levels (dragon, mech) and de-emphasized the focus on dodging.

Otherwise virtually perfect.

>>719060994 (OP)
>"Let's give the game away for free on Xbox Game Pass!"
>"What could possibly go wrong?"

That.

That's the only thing that went wrong. Otherwise it's very good. 8/10 minimum.

>>719060994 (OP)
I liked way way more than. Eternal. I found the game comfy. Giving Doomguy a stinger was genius.

>>719066979
She's literally the damsel in distress that Doomguy has to save. She is ironically the only character who doesn't try to boss Doomguy around and instead politely asks for his help.

Neutered as fuck and of course it has an ugly female girlboss, these fucking faggots really don't get their audience do they?

>>719070517
Ok, dev.

>>719060994 (OP)
>What the fuck happened
1. forced raytracing, at a time when half the PC population is still stuck on a 2014 shitbox and 1080p
2. 80 EUROS for a linear singleplayer-only game
3. people have had a degree of nuDoom fatigue since The Ancient Gods
4. the dragon sections are shit
5. while the story isn't nearly as retarded as The Ancient Gods, it's still going to grate people who hate nuDoom trying to force a story

All of that aside, I think it's going to be considered much more positively in 5 years than it is considered right now. Points 1) and 2) are like 90% of the reason why this game is hated. The part I like best is that finally after 9 years of hyping up Doomguy as this fearless killing machine they finally deliver it in gameplay. Even in Eternal, the time in which Doomguy is supposed to be at his peak, your gameplay is still just dodging and evading out of the way. In TDA you're the one who gets to be turboaggressive and that's neat.

I'm compeled to express it in every thread, everything about TDA is miserable. I want to shout it from the rooftops just to get it out of me. the trailer was miserable, the game is miserable, Hugo's streams are miserable, doomtuber content is miserable, speedruns are miserable, devs reacting to speedrun was miserable. I can't engage with any of it and it fuckin hurts. I'm in actual pain from being unable to relive the glory days of Eternal, this was the disappointment of the generation. anyone else feels this way, anyone gets me? I kinda feel alone in this.

Doom Eternal will go down as the "FONV" of the FPS genre. The studio that created the IP come back with a hail mary that nobody believed in, ends up becoming one in a million lightning in a bottle project magnum opus for the studio, and reaches cult status. The studio that made it never reaches the same heights again, fades into obscurity.

APOLOGISE

>>719060994 (OP)
JUSTICE FOR MICK
GET FUCKED MARTY AHAHAHA
stand and fight lmao more like bomb and flop AHAHAAHAHAHAAH

>>719068528
>doomcon
the audacity of this beaner

>>719060994 (OP)
The lore is retarded as fuck. It's like gay (derogatory) version of W40K.

What do you mean? It was a return to form for the series

I still can't believe how much eternal sucked compared to 2016

>>719060994 (OP)
They made a whole fuckig game based on a terrible concept
No one wanted "medieval" DOOM, these guys are fucking idiots.