Thread 719074615

This pistol doesn't have a thermal clip.

The sentence that killed the franchise.

>>719074615 (OP)
this game sucked, but compared to modern games it feels like a masterpiece.

>>719074615 (OP)
What would be a better solution?

>>719074753
Many such cases for the late 2000s, medicore games seeming good nowadays by comparison

the only good ME is 1

>>719074905
facts.
heat weapons>thermal gears of war slop ammo

>>719074873
ME1
Or the hybrid system they developed for 2 that playtesters made them remove

>>719074615 (OP)
This shit was so retarded. Arguably the most important part of warfare is logistics.

Having to not manufacturer, ship, and stock billions of thermal clips is vastly more valuable than being able to fire a little earlier

>>719074953
In ME1 you can build a fast firing gun that never overheats. On the other hand waiting for a gun to cool down is incredibly boring even if it might take the same or even less time than a reload would. I think they wanted to avoid both of those things in the sequel. What was the hybrid system like?

>>719075143
>In ME1 you can build a fast firing gun that never overheats
Holy shit, gun customization? REMOVE IT REEEEEE WE WANT GEARS OF WAR

>>719074753
idk compared to modern games it feels outdated as shit to me

>>719075210
>you will never again build a shotgun that overheats in one blast but sends whatever you hit flying away from you

>>719075143
>What was the hybrid system like?
The way it works in lore. You can either let it cool down on its own like ME1 or eject a thermal clip to instantly do it, but you have a limited number of clips and they replenish (cool down) very slow

>>719075210
Being able to completely remove resource management from combat is terrible game design.

>>719075342
that sounds pretty good. why are playtesters so retarded?

>>719075398
>anon finally realizes RPGs are about the characters becoming stronger, meaning in turn that the player requires less skill

ME1 had magazines, if you read the codex all guns have some kind of steel/titanium/tungsten on them that gets shaved by a millimeter by element zero parts, it's just that your average gun in this universe has like 10,000 rounds.

>>719075498
I think 10k is an underestimation

>>719075456
If there's no ammo and no reload is there any reason to ever not be firing your gun? Besides the fact that it might sound annoying? Other than the Thorian mission is there ever even a reason to avoid attacking something you are able to attack?

>>719075695
>If there's no ammo and no reload is there any reason to ever not be firing your gun?
Yes, because more than one enemy exists. You didn't even play ME1 at all so no more (you)s

>>719075726
>because more than one enemy exists
Why would that be a reason to stop firing a gun?

>>719074753
>>719074882
Old = Good
New = Bad

>>719075278
That's fun and therefore not allowed. Customization is bad because it lets you customize your experience, if you even have the option of reducing heat build-up, the entire system needs to be scrapped

>>719074615 (OP)
>This pistol doesn't have a thermal clip.
Yeah, so what? I never understood the hate behind this. I play Mass Effect for the story, worldbuilding and especially companion romance. Anything else is flavour

In ME1 you can build a super shotgun, a full auto pistol that eats Saren's entire healthbar, a true oneshot sniper that explodes nearby enemies and an assault rifle that constantly detonates enemies.

Combined with Kaidan and Liara's biotic bullshit you can cheese the game even on Insanity.

Then ME2 and ME3 just became a generic cover shooter.

>>719075953
You posted the wrong image queen.

>>719076003
>go adept
>take kaidan and liara to juggle enemies even more
>discover HE rounds
>now you don't even need your biotics to juggle enemies
Fucking kino

>>719074615 (OP)
how the FUCK does he even know what thermal clips are when he was fucking DEAD for 2 years??????

3 and Andromeda's gunplay/shooting mechanics were the best in the franchise, both games were terribly held back by everything else.

>>719074873
Having both at the same time, so you can configure your guns to have heat or thermal clips.
It's supposed to be an RPG after all, at least in a small way.

>>719076142
Canonically, they were introduced between the end of ME1 and the start of ME2, when the Alliance was doing galactic Geth cleanup. So he'd been using them a few months before ME2's intro happens

>>719076058
........................would

>>719076175
The simplest solution would be to have the "reload" just vent heat from the thermal clip. But I guess they wanted us to have to collect ammo.

>>719075879
That's right.

>>719074615 (OP)
It is written: Only Commander Shepard can defeat furfags.

>>719075953
What was this guy's name again?

>>719074873
For the line or the mechanic?
For the line, they could have had him say the pistol was faulty and have the clips explained to him.
For the mechanic, just have both. It would also have solved the utterly retarded ammo drop system that they for some reason thought was a good idea.
Also, they should have used the universal ammo the codex said existed, rather than Shepard being an autist who kept clips for his pistol to one side for absolutely no reason.

>>719074873
Why do you need a "solution" to something that isn't a problem?

>>719075953
well how did shep know what a thermal clip even is
theyre not only bad for the gameplay but also for the lore

>>719074873
Don't make a formulaic cover shooter.

>>719075695
Why do you need the player to stop firing?
Obviously the system should be balanced so that the gun that fires non-stop isn't as strong as the gun that overheats, even considering the DPS loss due to waiting for the overheat timer to cool down.
The problem was the balance, not the existence of the system.

If the reapers were so advanced, why didn't they indoctrinate Samara? Once recruited, she could grab Shepard's head and sit on it while letting out a pent up 400 year old stinker. While he's delirious from noxious fumes he'd fall over and crack his noggin or break his neck. It's so simple.

>>719074873
Keep the unlimited reserve ammo like the first game, but introduce "reloading" via venting the weapon to disperse heat rapidly in place of letting it cool down passively (which is still an option).
You could have had the system where "swapping is faster than reloading" which every dude who was supposed to be the target for this mechanic change would know very well from their duty shooters.

>>719074615 (OP)
God I hate ME2 so much it's unreal

>>719074615 (OP)
>overheating is a bit jank
>scrap it

>inventory is overcrowded
>fuck inventory, you now have 2 pistols for the whole game and no armor choice

>mako had glitches
>no exploration for you, enjoy scanning lol
fuck you and your design philosophy of removal instead of improvements

>>719074615 (OP)
>>719074753
>>719074873
>>719074905
No one cares, Faarquad thread.

ME2 is still the greatest game ever made, period.

>>719081451
I always thought the hammerhead was a great upgrade to the mako and would have been fun to drive on those planets scanning
too bad it was scrapped too

>>719074873
What do you mean a solution? Mass Effect already had a novel futuristic ammo system based on weapons overheating, and it actually had a reason for having secondary mechanics like overload.

>>719081463
There is no Farquad here, stlaker, these are yet more of your criminal delusions speaking.
Enjoy prison.

>>719082881
The fact that you responded, proves this is a Farquad thread.
Bitch nigga.

>>719075726
did that make sense in your head?

>>719084274
>he doesn't know why he might stop firing if 5 enemies are currently shooting at him
NPC

>>719084031
Wrong again, atalker. I am not a dog or a pepperoni ingredient, these are yet more of the delusions of your insane criminal cult.
This is why your life is already over.
Enjoy prison.

>>719074873
A hybrid system. The guns could overheat and you would have a choice between waiting them to cool by themselves or instantly with a thermal clip. It would be gimmicky, but at least not immersion breaking.

>>719084570
>>Wrong again, atalker
I am not atalker, obviously I am awriter
Farquad, bitch nigga

>>719085441
Yes, child, you are, I’m sorry you’re so stupid Ymunkoke myself.
Enjoy prison.

he is me

>>719085665
>Enjoy prison.
Is this a new cope?

>>719074753
Fuck, you're right. I remember ME2 being the most dumbed down Bioware game yet, streamlined to appeal to consoles. Now I'd kill for someone to make a game to that standard again.

>>719075879
More accurate to say:
Old = mediocre
New = absolute Dog Shit

>>719074615 (OP)
Let it go anon
Let it go

>>719085925
No, child, it is not new, the police have known about your many crimes for years now. The net is closing, and this is how you chose to end your freedom.
Enjoy prison.

If thermal clips were this state of the art military technology that was just getting rolled out at the start of the game why did every 2 bit pirate and broke scumbag have them
Why did the planet that had 0 contact with the wider galaxy for a decade have them

I always was out of ammo as engineer

Spacer
War Hero
Soldier all the way
Full paragon choices only
Liara all the way

I fucking hate the arrival dlc.

Does the remaster allow you to put your gun down in designated "gun zones"? Really hated that.

>>719084450
so the answer was yes you actually thought that made sense kek

>>719075953
Because thermal clips were detrimental to the lore? ME1:
>Guns have "infinite ammo" because they're firing tiny shavings off an ammo block inside, theoretically it is finite but the amount of shots is so high you won'trealistically run out, you just need to let them cool down after firing several shots.
Then in ME2
>We removed the ability to cool the weapon entirely, now you swap the thermal clip. They're universal but the ammo pool isn't shared between weapons, so you can hold 20 clips for this smg but only 5 with this sniper rifle. If you run out your weapon will not cool on it's own at all, because we perfected insulation technology to prevent it.
That's why, they're technically an upgrade but came with downgrades and restrictions that made no fucking sense at all until you start just thinking of it as a normal ammo system.

>>719086135
>No, child
Hello, child. Shall we continue with your lessons?

Did anyone ever mod me1 gun system into the sequels?

>>719074615 (OP)
Can someone explain to me why this is memeworthy? This isn't remotely the first time i've seen it

>>719081463
Me2 was the moment shit became cookie cutter

>>719087032
yes.
le2: https://www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/1817
le3: https://www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/1819

>>719087080
ME1 had infinite ammo guns that used an overheat mechanic instead. Switching to thermal clips (functionally just ammo) is a sign of the game being dumbed down to bring in new players with a more Gears of War approach
The line itself is also seen as silly because Shepard said it after 2 years of being literally dead and people think that means he shouldn't have heard of thermal clips before but that's not strictly true

>>719087270
Neat. Sadly I remembered the tweaks mod you need for any modding is autistically anti pirate so rip trying out the legendary edition

>>719074615 (OP)
retard, its a thermal MAGAZINE

>>719074615 (OP)
can anyone explain to me this meme? I only played 2 and 3

>>719087080
It's some ME1fag going mental just ignore him

>>719087609
>>719087372

the volus wanted a recurring revenue stream from selling thermal clips
can you easily open up, vent and reuse the hot ones?

>>719087372
kek when people were upset that games were getting dumbed down instead of being filled with trannies and fags

>>719087702
Psssh...Oyy.vveeyyy...sshhh

>>719087504
You can mod with a pirated copy just fine (I do it, because I fucking hate EA App). Ensure that you have the latest game version pirated and then just have two pairs of executables for each game, original and cracked. When you run the mod manager, use the original (signed, uncracked) executable and when you need to play use the cracked executable.

>>719086427
I like it and it makes me wish the rest of the series had no squadmates

>>719087504
The mod is anti pirate? So it's not DRM on the game but the mod itself detecting a cracked exe?
Why are modniggers like that

>>719087504
>>719087860
does shit makes for a better game? It's a brain dead shooter with magical attacks. Nobody played this for the gameplay.

>>719086819
Oghma balls

>>719088129
I replayed ME3 like 5 times for the gameplay

>>719088198
I'm sorry your parents couldn't afford to buy you more games when you were little.

>>719075342
pic rel

>>719075398
retard

>>719088095
The mod manager is. There's two reasons for this:
1. Piratards are often running mismatched game versions, which causes unreproducible bugs.
2. To avoid legal problems with EA/Bioware.
If you are not tech illiterate, it's not difficult to figure out how to mod with a pirated copy and avoid all the issues.

>>719088257
I was 22 when it came out. All the classes are great fun. Deal with it

>>719085860
He's a big guy

>>719087860
Oh cool yeah checked in the russian place and they got it sorted. downloading now. cheers.
>>719088360
must have mindlessly overwrote the original execs and didnt think about that the first time

>>719076175
>It's supposed to be an RPG
what? that nerd shit? lol miss me with that

>>719087372
>>719087629
Alright thanks

>>719086517
So very baste.

>>719088089
The story is contrived bullshit to try and justify why Shepard is in jail for ME3. There is zero replayability or roleplaying to be had and even if you wipe out all the waves you still lose. You can tell the stupid fuck who wrote Kai Leng made the DLC.

>Cerberus in ME1
Terrorist group in fringe worlds
>Cerberus in ME2
Amassed all of their wealth and resources to build a bleeding edge warship and reviving a dead Shepard
>Cerberus in ME3
Has the intelligence and logistics of the Shadow Broker, has the armies to cockblock entire Council races; basically space Cobra

>>719088135
:*)

>>719075342
Fun fact: you can restore and customize the hybrid system with a config file and it's fully functional.

>>719074873
Don't even acknowledge the change

>>719076058
Wasn't she unironically one of the good ones and writer of the only salvageable parts

>>719090264
She unironically didnt write much but yes any old school writer is better than the millenial troons they brought on for andromeda

>>719075408
because most people are retarded. they have to have retards test to make sure the masses can actually beat the game

>>719088468
4U

>>719081451
>design philosophy of removal instead of improvements
bethesda moment

>>719081463
The little feller from Shrek?

>>719092574
That's Pinocchio

>>719074753
I am currently replaying it
Mass Effect is a complete mess from a story telling perspective, the atmosphere and the gameplay. its an complete abomination.

>>719074751
>killed the franchise
It sold far more copies than ME1. You don't have to like it but going for the dudebro audience was a wise move on their part clearly.

>>719074753
>>719085935
It really isnt

It sucks at being an RPG
It sucks as being a TPS
Its a shallow as fuck "Choose your own adventure game" because Biowares system is
>Be nice
>Be mean
>Say nothing of value
>Continue the convo
>"SAY THE BEST THING" (if you have enough points in good boy stat because you mindlessly pressed the nice button all game)
>"BE A DICK FOR NO REASON AND GET RESULTS SOMEHOW" (If you did the opposite and was a dick all game for no reason)

Its not a great game by any metric and started the series downfall. Me1 on its own is great by comparison

Is ME3 multiplayer alive on PC and 360 still?
i've been hankering to play it.

>>719095254
>the dudebro audience
Going more rl militaristic has a bigger pull on dudebros. They like their reloads. I would like it, if we could strike a balance, like have a weapons manufacturer that still provides heatsink weapons, instead of magazines, of all kinds, like pistols, smgs, assault rifles, etc. and have the others have the magazines. That way, you can give your dudebros something their familiar with, but also introduce them to future weapons. There's a lot you can do with weapons, just look at what Helldivers is doing, for example. And it works, it's very successful. Currently, Helldivers has a greater revenue on Steam, than the next CoD.
Bioware are just lazy and won't put in the work.

>>719095548
All of these are also true of ME1, though. Like, if you want to be reductive as fuck about the franchise, ME1 is exactly that. All of that.

>>719088373
Fun is honestly pushing it anon if you've played any GOOD TPS in comparison

>>719095761
I'm certainly no expert. If you wanna suggest any games to broaden my horizon, go ahead
It won't undo the fact that exploding mooks with power combos as an adept will always be fun, though

>>719095740
Its a better RPG than ME2 and has more freedom, it has that going for it at the very least.

>>719074615 (OP)
Reminder you can mod thermal clips back in.

>>719074615 (OP)
I have a spermal clip huehuehue

>>719096193
>I liked the shiny explosions
Yup, target audience for ME2.

>>719096374
>didn't recommend any games
Yeah.
And I was talking about ME3, nice attention span

>>719096210
>>Its a better RPG than ME2
Yeah, sure, mate. Keep believing that.
ME gets APED, in terms of what an RPG is, by Alpha Protocol.

>>719096662
Okay cool. Since you abandoned the argument, that means you concede that ME1 is better than 2

>>719096365
Don't get fresh, anon!

>>719096716
In terms of RP, they are the exact same. ME2 has better pew pew.

>>719096716
he is probably the retard who will hold up a PC copy of ME1 and claim he played it, and then any time he opens his mouth about basic details he gets them wrong.

>>719074751
fpbp /thread

>>719074751
>killed the franchise
ME2:
>Sold better
>Was more fun
>Could romance Tali
Yeah it's the better game.

>>719096545
Not the anon you were replying to, good job doubling down on shit taste though. ME3 is even worse

>>719097051
>>Could romance Tali
the only point to be made

>>719096662
>>719096875
ME2 is a lot more handholdy and railroady than ME1.
I cant think of a single instance where even anything like the Wrex standoff occurs.
The only things that come close are dumb situations like
>Do you want to leave Grunt in the tank all game and deny yourself content for some reason lul
>Do you want to sell Legion to Cerberus for money right before the final mission of the game
>Squad arguments that are nullified just by pressing the top right or bottom right dialogue option all game

The suicide mission is frankly disappointing in its execution in how people can be killed off. It feels very repetitive throughout the level

>>719097051
>>719097423
Romancing Tali was a monkeys paw scenario due to how shitty they made her romance in ME3

>>719074615 (OP)
ME1 > ME3 > ME2

>>719097668
This is truth
ME3 is still overall kind of a disappointing game, but it is essentially "ME2, but better"
It doesn't quite hit ME1's highs, but it takes the strengths of ME2's gameplay and makes them better

>>719097462
>>I cant think of a single instance where even anything like the Wrex standoff occurs.
Most games, and RPGs don't have a Wrex standoff. The Wrex standoff isn't a measurement for an RPG. Ultima 1 doesn't have one. Guess it's railroady, too. Might and Magic didn't have one, guess it's not an RPG either.
Your arbitrary ways of measuring RPGs have no place in the conversation.

>>719096948
What's wrong with the PC version?

>>719098059
Semantics, the wrex standoff was just an example of why you decisions have weight in ME1

In ME2 you can pick literally any dialogue options throughout the entire game and you will end up with the exact same squad, in the exact same position, at the suicide mission

The only major impact you can have on the story is
>Grunt stays in tank
>Legion is never activated/sold to Cerberus
>Zaeed and Kasumi are never recruited or zaeed is recruited by dies in his loyalty mission
>Half the NPC crew of the Normandy is melted into protein juice by the final mission, or not, but you barely ever see and interact with any of them other than Kelly so it doesnt matter that much there either

Thats why its railroady. You are railroaded through a laundry list of machines recruiting squamates, capstoned by a plot heavy mission, until you hit the finale.

>>719098059
>RPGs don't NEED C&C
sure thing slop eater

>>719075342
>>719075408
>No thermal clip? Not even a hybrid system? How did this get passed the playtesters?
>Anon, the playtesters requested the final version
AHHHHHH IM GOING INSANE SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

>>719098917
Most RPGs don't even give you that choice.
Even then, you have several squadmates that may or may not be there, depending on prior decisions, including when to do the IFF mission, what improvements get done on the Normandy, and whether several characters are loyal or not, and that impacts their survivability.
But that is also an arbitrary measurement that doesn't make any RPG greater or lesser than ME2.
So far, you've failed to make anything definitive as to what makes ME1 more of an RPG compared to literally any other RPG ever made, let alone ME2.
The only thing you've proven is that one RPG may have things that the other doesn't.
For example, Vampire the Masquarade has the Strength stat, which is completely missing from ME1. Most RPGs have a strength stat. I guess ME1 is a lesser RPG because there is no strength stat.

>>719098832
him not playing it.

>>719099524
RPG mechanics = having stats
zoom zoom

>>719098937
I didn't say that, but C&C isn't something that defines a large number of RPGs. In fact most RPGs have little reactivity in terms of player choice, and follow a very linear, set path, and nothing you do really deviates from the ending.
That is fairly new in RPGs, and only some RPGs accommodate that. Some Quest for Glory and Kings Quest games have a degree of reactivity, but RPGs usually have you go out solo, or make a party, from a set of races and classes, kill hordes in a dungeon, kill the big bad, and that's the end. Dungeon Siege is like that, Diablo is like that, a lot of the Final Fantasy games are like that, and only started to deviate from that with VI really. It's not common, and not a prerequisite to be classified an RPG. You just like a game for doing a thing that you liked. That just means you liked a game. You don't like a different game, because it didn't do the thing that you liked in that other game. But also, you can't have the same thing happen in every game, because that's creatively bankrupt. You can, however, do other things, that are in the same vein as the thing you liked, without being the exact same thing. But you don't like that, because it isn't the thing. That's autism.

>>719100313
>In fact most RPGs have little reactivity in terms of player choice
Those aren't RPGs. Didn't read the rest

>>719100291
You just made the point I made.
Just because one things exists in one game, and it doesn't exist in the other, doesn't make them different genres.
You can have an RPG without the Wrex choice, you can have an RPG without Strength stats.

>>719100385
>Those aren't RPGs
Those are RPGs. What you want is a CYOA.
If Might and Magic isn't an RPG, what is it?

>>719100313
>Dungeon Siege
That's a hack n slash.
>Diablo
Another hack n slash, more or less spawned the whole genre and none of its knockoffs are RPGs. Including Dungeon Siege by the way, no idea why you brought up the clone first.
>Final Fantasy games
Yeah JRPGs are famously not actual RPGs. No idea what your point was here.

>>719100564
They're all RPGs. Diablo is an ARPG, Dungeon Siege is a party based ARPG.
Ask google what genre are these games.

>>719100670
>Ask google
lol

>>719100670
>ARPG
Term invented for Diablo clones so the retards grinding in them all day could think they were sophisticated.

Why does being a renegade ruin your face again?

>>719100696
So everyone is wrong, except you.
Not a great defense.

>>719100760
The reason behind the term is irrelevant to the classification. Is ME not an ARPG, by the grace of being a TPS/RPG hybrid? Are TPS not inherently action games? Is Vanquish not an action game, because it is a TPS?

>>719100878
Nanomachines, son

>>719100878
Because you're literally Satan.

>>719074615 (OP)
>guns
imagine being a bioticlet

>>719100878
because evil robot tech. you can turn it off in the med bay though, thankfully.

>>719100905
According to you, Vanquish is an ARPG because it has a weapon upgrade system. Your opinion is worth nothing. No more (you)s, you have successfully proved that you call all games with stats RPGs and then cry when nobody agrees with you.

>>719100560
>>719100670
This is a situation where "you're both right." Having significant choices and consequences is a major part of an RPG as it's based on tabletop RPGs where freedom is the point. However, the genre when adapted to video games has been so abused over the years that it no longer means that at all in the video game scene. RPG is practically meaningless these days. But getting so pedantic about labels that we have to go back to the beginning of its history and ignore what it means in a modern context is a waste of time.

>>719100985
it's ME2 anon, only time you can even think about using biotics is after you've already taken out half of someone's total health pool with a gun thanks to shields/armor blocking that shit

>>719100993
I'm sorry anon but guns are the only fun playstyle in ME2 insanity difficulty. Specifically the Mattock with Soldier's adrenaline rush. Adepts are resigned to slowly sapping defenses with Singularity
If it were 1 or 3 you would have a point, adepts are the most fun there

>>719074615 (OP)
>clip

>>719101017
>>According to you, Vanquish is an ARPG because it has a weapon upgrade system.
I never said, or claimed that Vanquish is any form of an RPG. You made that claim. I simply claimed that it is an Action game, because all TPS are action games. But maybe I am wrong on that one, because, obviously, I haven't played all TPSs, and obviously there are always exceptions.

>>719101054
>But getting so pedantic about labels that we have to go back to the beginning of its history and ignore what it means in a modern context is a waste of time.
It's not pendantic. You'd have to declassify every RPG, because, according to the other anon, only the game with the Wrex choice is an RPG, because that is the only defining trait of an RPG.

>>719074751
FPBP
Although the reason was that EA had just bought Bioware and started removing soul from their games.

>>719075498
ME1 guns technically have limited ammo but the "magazine" is so large that it's effectively unlimited in the timescale of a mission. Your unit's armorer would monitor the block of tungsten and then swap it out when it starts to degrade to a degree that matters

>>719101245
buddy that line was supporting your position, not his

>>719101104
dunno watcha talkin bout
i'm a biotic god

>>719101319
Whatever, then.

Anyone ever done Insanity in all 3 games with a new character? I always used imported ones

>>719101446
only in me 1, you can have a legit godmode with soldier

>>719074615 (OP)
Can I get a QRD on this? I never played the game myself, but I do see this screenshot being posted quite frequently. I feel like I'm being left out here. Thanks in advance.

>>719101245
I think the premise that the only thing that counts as an RPG is something with narrative choice is a false one. I think, especially nowadays, it refers to a type of game that has RPG character management/progression, stuff like stat management, level ups, equipment and so on. Also this entire argument is dumb anyway, we have subgenres of RPG for a reason after all to help differentiate between styles of RPG.

>>719101446
I always do new character insanity runs. I've played too many times that I just decide on the fly which missions I feel like doing knowing all of their difficulty spikes. Spikes like the Krogan Battlemaster on Therum. (Though the Legendary Edition made everything easier so this is less important) I often do some sidequests before main missions just to get a few levels under my belt.

>play ME2
>loading screens take ages (like 20 seconds) even though I have a good rig
>replace them with still images
>loading now takes less than one second
Good times. It turned out that all the loading screens were fixed animations and would only complete once the entire animation finished, no matter how long it took to actually load

>>719101446
I don't like the higher difficulties because I like playing manguard, and charging in with a shotgun on insanity is a death sentence. I like the gameplay of the later games because it's more than just a bad cover shooter, but on the highest difficulties you have to play a bad cover shooter to not die instantly.

>>719101607
The first game has "unlimited ammo" for lore reasons where guns cool down instead. The second game, which was reaching for a wider market, decided that this atypical system had to go and instead went with "thermal clips" which are the same ammo system as any other shooter because shooter players "like to reload."

>>719101607
in the first game and the lore, guns work like >>719101295, but overheated if you fired them continuously (the way mounted machine guns tend to work in other shooters). In ME2, they redesigned the gunplay so that you had generic ammo quantities the same as any other contemporary shooter

>>719101741
I can see that in ME2, in 3 though Manguard is easy as fuck and handheld. They literally added Nova so you can i-frame while waiting for your charge to come back

>>719101607
the first game didnt have thermal clips at all. It was a heat bar, the more you shot, the more heat you had. Once you capped out, you had to wait for the gun to cooldown. Or you could just tap fire, or dump "half a mag" then wait for it to cooldown and go back to firing etc. But when you started mass effect 2, the first gun you get it empty and shepard says "this gun doesnt have a thermal clip" which doesnt make any sense from the players perspective. Even in game the technology update happened when he was dead so shepard shouldnt even know this in the first place.

>>719074753
It sucked and compared to modern games it sucks even more.

>>719101836
>Even in game the technology update happened when he was dead so shepard shouldnt even know this in the first place.
such an easy fix too. they could've had him see the gun, pick it up, try to shoot it with no result then have him act confused then Miranda could tutorialize the new mechanic for Shepard so the player and the character would be on the same page.

>>719101798
>>719101817
>>719101836
Thanks you guys. Does this series still hold up these days, and is it worth picking up the remastered trilogy?

>>719102131
>>719101836
There are several months after ME1 in which they adopted the guns and were killing the remaining Geth. ME2 intro happens at the ass-end of that period
Read the codexes

>>719101991
Oh? So you'd play Veilguard, Ghost of Yotei, Concord, Star Wars Outlaws etc. etc. etc. before even thinking about touching ME2, then?

>>719102150
if it's on sale yeah, they're ok games generally if you don't have the insane expectations people in the past had. just expect the story writing to fall off a cliff after 1 ends, then the character writing in 2 improves, then that too falls off a cliff in 3.

>>719102220
I didn't play any of those. But I'd play Andromeda before playing ME2 again.

>>719102150
If you can play the originals, mod them and play them. If you don't have a system that can play the originals, get the LE. The DLC is all free.

>>719102220
very funny to see you try to sneak in a game that hasn't even released yet, and is only hated here because muh woman MC

>>719102295
You'd play Andromeda, but not Veilguard? They're the same game. Maybe you should play Veilguard then. You'd like it more than ME2. Play Forspoken, too.

>>719102150
They're pretty awesome, I'd recommend that Legendary Edition. The first game is a bit rough combat-wise so it depends on your patience for older games, but the LE smooths that out a bit. (I didn't mind the older PC version, I always thought it was fine) Not a lot of games let you transfer significant decisions throughout a trilogy so it's a pretty unique experience. The third game's ending is infamously poor, but if you see the entire game as the result of your prior choices instead of the ending itself, it makes more sense. Some missions have some pretty interesting branches. Worth a go.

>>719102389
Veilguard is better than Andromeda

>>719102276
>>719102309
Alright, thanks again you two, really appreciate it.

>>719102349
Why? Do you think it will be better or worse than the other modern games?

>>719089882
This; if they really wanted to switch to regular guns with magazines, just pretending it had always having been that and never mentioning it again would have been far less stupid than going out of your way to say out loud "A new, objectively and obviously shittier version of guns and ammo was invented and every single person in the entire galaxy switched to it for no fucking reason."

>>719102440
Technically yes.
Practically ... possibly also yes.
I mean, I don't like any character from Veilguard, but at least there is no Cora, Liam, Peebee, Reyes, etc.
But on the other hand, Lucanis, Bellara and especially Trash ... tough call. The dialogue is on the same level in either game.

>>719102150
I never played it when it was current, but my gf bought me the remastered trilogy for my birthday because it's one of her favorite game series and I've been really enjoying it. The gameplay definitely shows its age, especially in the first game, but its easily one of the best "collect a bunch of characters and go on an adventure with them" style RPGs ever made. And this is more of a personal preference thing, but I really miss Star Trekesque sci-fi that's completely unabashedly optimistic about the future of humanity and its ability to grow and change for the better, no matter the odds, and it feels like no one makes that anymore, so Mass Effect is a nice change of pace

>>719102460
it'll be better than everything else you listed if it's anything close to Tsushima in quality even despite it being just a derivative sony open world AAA title.

>>719102596
What about the combat? ME:A was such a big downgrade from 3 I stopped playing it after a couple of hours

>>719102389
I'm not interested in fantasy settings.

>>719102660
I gave Andromeda another chance a couple weeks ago. Combat was pretty decent after giving it a little more time. It's just all the bad writing and Ubislop type filler that really drags it down.

>>719102660
I didn't like ME3's combat. But that mostly had to do with the terrible level and encounter design of ME3. ME:A is serviceable, although it's rather braindead.
Veilguard's combat, for me, is boring. Doing away with DA:O's RTwP has always been my biggest gripe with all the DA sequels, and going generic boring breaindead action in Veilguard doesn't help at all. It may be fun for an hour or two, but after that, tone down the difficulty and just breeze through it. The targeting system is a bigger challenge to overcome, than the difficulty level itself. It's just tedious combat.

>>719102965
I thought Veilguard just went with the ME3 combat again

>>719102620
>>it'll be better than everything else you listed

>>719102773
Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware that you've played exclusively sci-fi TPS/RPGs. Which ones are your favourites from the past 2 years?

>>719095643
idk about the 360 but whenever i open me3 multiplayer on pc i have no trouble finding a lobby

>>719103025
In what way did you think that was true?
It tries to do BamHam action combat for the melee characters, and fails, while the wizard is just AoE everything and win.

>>719103040
you must've gotten kicked in the head too many times if you think Tsushima is on the same level as Concord and Outlaws in terms of quality.

>>719103116
Starfield

>>719103243
Well I haven't played it and am not going to but previews and reviewers said it has real time with pause and you activate squad mate abilities and you get to do power combos by using the correct types of abilities, which is literally everything that made ME3 fun

>>719103258
Why should I expect it to be a good game? Do you have expectations for Ghost of Yotei? Maybe you were fond of Insomniac's Spiderman 2, as well.

>>719074615 (OP)
I honestly think ME2 is peak Bioware. The gameplay is better than ME1 and it has no timeout or annoying bullshit like the Mako.
You go straight, you shoot things, you talk with your companions and have choices, much like Alpha Protocol. It was a better time before the boring open world games.

>>719103474
>it'll be better than everything else you listed if it's anything close to Tsushima in quality
>b-b-b-but what about an entirely different game made by entirely different people!!!!!
brain damage it is, thanks for the confirmation.

>>719102862
Combat is probably the best we've had it after 1. different types of combat, with 1 being more 'strategic'. the few missions with actual levels show off how good the combat could be. but with how simple and few the enemies are I dont think it gets time to shine

>>719103569
>timeout
????

>>719103569
BG2 is peak bioware. ME2 is the beginning of the EAifcation of Bioware, making mass appeal slop for console children.

>Assault rifle
>Frictionless Materials
>Explosive ammo
>Overkill

>>719074873
Too Human did it right
>guns build up heat when fired
>guns slowly cool down
>can carry limited reloads which instantly cool the gun down
>scattered throughout the levels but not too common, used when burning down danger mobs or big groups
mass effect can suck a dick for not only introducing this garbage shit and turning the game from an interesting and different shooter that gave you infinite ammo by default and had you manage heat instead but then gave the most retardedly half assed answers in lore about it
>"the alliance noticed geth used magazines, apparently a lost technology, and copied it because the geth could keep shooting while the soldiers had to sit in cover for 30 seconds waiting for their gun to reload after firing hundreds of bullets in one burst!"
>"this was rolled out and completely replaced every single gun in a galaxy in two years!"
>"the CLIPS are universal and work with any gun!"
>run out of CLIPS with your assault rifle
>swap to a different gun which loads universal CLIPS
>it still has ammo in reserve some how
FUCK YOU BIOWARE
i celebrate each day because it's one day closer to your impending death

>>719103349
Your companions don't take aggro from you, they take no damage, and can't die, in Veilguard. They are basically two equipment slots that you activate from a pause menu, to use an ability. If they have one ability each that can combo off each other, selecting one activates both, it basically changes the icon when you mouse over it.
What is generally referred to as RTwP is the gameplay of Baldur's Gate 1-2, Neverwinter Nights 1-2, KotoR, Pillars of Eternity etc. While you can pause in Veilguard, and it is Real Time, it is an action RPG, with the ability to bring up a menu to issue a command through a radial skill wheel, because the game was made with consoles in mind, and not like DA:O was made with a specific PC UI, which allowed you to take control of companions in combat and issue commands.

>>719103881
ME3 is RTwP, sorry mister purist
So are the Witcher games by the way

>>719103634
Are you guaranteeing that Ghosts of Yotei will be a worthy sequel to Tsushima? Because I don't see it. Looks more like a spiritual successor to Horizon to me. Did you also like TLoU2? Do you have high hopes for Heretic: Prophet, too?

>>719104027
Sushima was already a spiritual successor to Horizon
Le epic atmosphere does not make it a less shitty open world Ubislop clone

>>719104009
>ME3 is RTwP,
Every action game with a pause function is RTwP then. DMC is RTwP. If all it takes is having a pause function.
I only finished Witcher 1, wasn't very fond of it, don't remember it at all to tell you otherwise.

>>719104289
It has to be a pause function during which you can input commands that will be executed when you unpause. Most city builders are RTwP
Deal with it

>>719104112
I don't know what you're trying to defend anymore.

>>719104112
>>Are you guaranteeing that Ghosts of Yotei will be a worthy sequel to Tsushima?
>it'll be better than everything else you listed if it's anything close to Tsushima in quality
>if it's anything close
>IF it's anything close
>I don't see it
you don't see the text you're reading either. must be hard when your eyes are crossed so hard all you can see is the bridge of your nose

>>719104027
horizon did not kickstart the sony open world trend, Suckerpunch themselves did with Infamous man.

>>719104342
Is DA:Inquisition RTwP?

>>719104406
Of course

>>719103569
I'd rather have the Mako than the "probing Uranus" bullshit.

>>719104432
Really? Because I can pause, give commands to my squadmates, and they won't execute them, because I can't control more than 1 character. But the character I am currently using will.

>>719104556
>But the character I am currently using will
So you can input commands during pause and they will be executed when you unpause, just like I said. I don't see what's so difficult about this

>>719104482
The Mako as a concept gets way too much shit and should never have been scrapped. I fucking HATE """exploring""" completely empty planets, but during the missions where you use the Mako to fight shit, it's immense fun

>>719104342
Also, I am unaware of this RTwP Strategy genre you're referring to. First time I heard of it. Plenty of RTS have a pause function, and plenty of RTS don't have a pause function. Some RTS even have a fast forward function as well. Are those RTwPaFF Strategy?

>>719104657
>>So you can input commands during pause and they will be executed when you unpause
No, they will not be executed. The AI will ignore my input, completely defeating the RTwP purpose of the function. Because it basically pauses so I can push X, so it can the single command that I can stack on the character I currently control.

>>719087609
/v/s daily attempt at being contrarians over mass effect because 2 is largely the most popular one of the series and this line is to highlight how they dumbed things down for 2 by making it more of a cover shooter than an rpg even though 1 was more of a cover shooter as well

>>719101446
>ME1
Every class is viable, Sentinel/Infiltrator is the easiest
>ME2
Biotics are fucked bigly, Soldier is the best thanks to Adrenaline Rush + Mattock/Revenant memes, you're better than the Infiltrator in every way possible
If you're a Biotic you must complete Kasumi's mission immediately to unlock the Hornet since it's the best gun you'll ever have until you get the Claymore
>ME3
All classes are viable again but Soldier is still the best now with Garrus and James with the N7 Typhoon
If you're playing Engineer Insanity in ME3, Marauders and Banshees ignore your AI bots and target (You) or your squadmates

In ME2 and ME3 you should never get out of cover while in a firefight, turn auto-powers off and you have to micro your squadmates because they'll be instant toast and die fast.

Kaidan/Liara/Wrex are the best teammates in ME1 while Miranda/Garrus/Jack are your best buttbuddies in ME2.

For ME3 it's Garrus and James with the N7 Typhoon, watch them clear the map and never micro them on Insanity.

Infiltrators fall off a cliff in ME2 and ME3 due to the Soldier being absolute bonkers with Adrenaline Rush, there's no real point picking the class and you're stuck with the basic bitch M-92 Mantis until you can switch to the M-97 Viper on Thane's mission or the Widow in the Collector Base.

>>719104861
>No, they will not be executed
Except you said
>But the character I am currently using will
You are too fucking retarded to understand basic English. You can issue commands and they will be executed, as you have admitted (it works for the currently controlled character)
"You can issue commands" is not the same sentence as "you can issue any and all conmands you can think of". Even in the games you brought up, like KotOR, you cannot command Revan to suck dick while the game is paused even though you based the character on yourself and you yourself would follow that command immediately.
I'm not gonna continue talking to somebody who is trying to le epically gotcha me while having barely any command of the language. Good day

>>719105083
Disagree with Soldier in 3, Adept is much easier

>>719105094
>You can issue commands and they will be executed
But they will not be executed.
For example, I need to pause, switch to Cassandra, give her a command, switch to Varric, give him a command, switch to Solas, I will give him a command, then switch back to my player character. All the commands I have given to characters that aren't the one I am currently in control of, will be overwritten by the game AI, and not be executed.

>as you have admitted (it works for the currently controlled character)
>"You can issue commands" is not the same sentence as "you can issue any and all conmands you can think of".
That is not what I said, and I explained above exactly what that means.

>Even in the games you brought up, like KotOR, you cannot command Revan to suck dick while the game is paused even though you based the character on yourself and you yourself would follow that command immediately.
Nobody made that claim.

>I'm not gonna continue talking to somebody who is trying to le epically gotcha me while having barely any command of the language. Good day
I have explained above exactly, and in detail, how RTwP operates in DA:I. Feel free to ignore, and I will accept your concession.

>>719105083
I liked infiltrator in 3 though
>sitting in cover
>hold right click
>time slows down
>left click head of enemy
>stop holding right click
>enemy is now dead and you're still in cover
maybe it is technically less efficient than the soldier but it's certainly effective

>>719105203
Soldier is a beast in ME3, but not because of Adrenaline Rush, like >>719105083 suggests, but because of Incendiary Ammo + Amplified Concussive Shot, which can both, prime for combo and detonate itself with the exact same power.
>>719105083
CQC Infiltrator with SMG and Shotgun is also a beast in the both games.

>>719105743
>Incendiary Ammo + Amplified Concussive Shot, which can both, prime for combo and detonate itself with the exact same power
That's still slower than an Adept doing pull + push.
At the end of the day, in ME3 all classes are viable, all classes have insane power combos that clear an entire field of generic enemies in seconds, and it's kinda silly to argue about which is best. But I'm still right

>>719095254
>new ip
>sold really well
>sequel to successful new ip
>market it and hype it up
>sold even more
that's literally all the reason why it did better in sales

>>719103569
The Mako even with clunky controls is far more soulful than scanning a planet manually or the poorly implemented Hammerhead.

In ME3 they should have brought the Mako back, ride around Palaven, Thessia, Surkesh, Tuchanka, London, etc.

>>719101263
as much as i hate EA, i can't blame them for mass effect 2 being gears of war clone. you can blame bioware and dean takahashi for ruining mass effect. in case you don't know who he is, he's the same guy who made the laughable video of cuphead.

LE only fixed 1 mostly
2 is still stuck with limited dossiers even though physical discs are no longer a thing
My only gripe in 3 is that even when Insanity is unlocked on all games without much ado the shops max out at level 5 and you have to play NG+ to max out your guns

>>719106481
>limited dossiers
What does that mean? The fact that you recruit your companions in waves, even though they wrote dialogue for impossible squad mate combinations for early missions?

>>719106592
Yeah, you were supposed to receive all dossiers early on. Not sure when Legion is supposed to be recruitable originally.

What's the strategy for Vanguard in ME3? Am I still reload cancelling with the claymore and biotic charge spamming?

>>719106647
Early in the game too. There's a mod that fully restores him with all of his content (it was already mostly there, in the game files on the PC version). The reason why they put him so late? His content didn't fit on the first disc...
https://www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/384

>>719106874
>use some squadmate's biotic primer like warp on an enemy
>charge
>if any enemy is still near you, use other squadmate's biotic primer on him
>shoot him
>nova
>charge is recharged, do it all again
You can reload cancel if you want but personally I always end up barely even using the shotty at all
Also remember to roll straight backwards after charging a banshee or she WILL grab you

>>719106874
charge-slam ad infinitum

>>719106874
No they added nova so you nova spam and it's incredibly boring. As a vanguard main in the previous two games, I swapped to shotgun infiltrators in 3 because cloak>prox mine>shotgun shot is very satisfying. The claymore, piranha, and reegar all great for this

t. Someone with hundreds of hours in the MP, most of which on the geth infiltrator

I just put smart choke on my shotgun and oneshot everything from 100 meters away

>>719086789
wow, this doesn't effect my experience with the game in any way

>>719107147
>squad priming
Lame. I wanted to be a one man wrecking ball again and use the occasional overload/warp.
>>719107230
Is it as boring as the throw/pull adept shit? I just want to charge and nuke fuckers with a shotgun asap.

>>719106339
why do people creating games listen to the most inept non gamers all the fucking time for their top titles.
reminds me of half life 2 being dumbed down because some fucking shell of a human went in a circle for 30 minutes.

>>719107494
>>squad priming
>Lame
Well you don't have to, it just makes for bigger explosions

>>719107562
How frequently do I need to prime and detonate and what respective skills should I use? If its only for atlases and brutes that's fine but if I need to prime a cannibal I'm killing myself. The shield changes prevent one shots for marauders iirc.

>>719106339
Is this a real quote? Because it might permanently affect my mindset for the worse.

>>719107763
You don't need to do it at all. Let's be real, ME3 isn't exactly a difficult game even on insanity
Anyway, Warp is the best biotic primer cause combos with it do the most damage. You can also use Overload as a primer for enemies with shields

>>719097051
>Was more fun
Gonna have to go ahead and disagree there.

>>719074615 (OP)
having to wait for your gun to cool down was ass, ME1 glazers do not reply

I never understood Sentinel. Like yeah you're unkillable but I already never die because cover makes you unkillable too

>>719074873
The original system that is still in the game files was perfect. Gun still cools down on its own but you can eject heatsinks for an instant reload.

>>719108307
Why would you ever slowly let it cool down, then? Retard

>>719090419
She wrote a lot of the dwarf content in Dragon Age Origins, and everything related to Branka and the Anvil quest.

>>719108363
Because you only carry a limited number of spare heatsinks dummy.

>>719102295
then you're a dumb fucking retard and your opinion got discarded.

>>719108634
Makes sense, the whole Branka plotline is woke as fuck. Always kill her

>>719108795
Beyond the fact that she is a lesbian what exactly is woke about it?