Thread 719078207

Any other game with really interconnected world that has a shitton of verticality and where a lot of zones are layered on top of each other like in DS1?

Bloodborne
Castlevania: SOTN
Metroid series

>>719078207 (OP)
Eldenring literally made babby souls 1 obsolete

>>719078207 (OP)
Wow dark souls 1 is like gotic 1&2 wowowo as if as if it totally didnt copy gothic!

>>719078207 (OP)
You haven't played dark souls 1. That's the exact same as the anor londo transition, which is a loading screen

>>719078287
No, Elden lean is sadly pretty lame in this regard. I'd like something way more "packed", not just a wide mostly empty world with very little verticality when it comes to how the landscapes mix.

>>719078207 (OP)
Salt and Sanctuary.

>>719078207 (OP)
Last Hero of Nostalgaia

>>719078686
You have never played Elden Ring.

>>719078668
lol thats not anor lodo you dummy

>>719078291
You have never played Gothic.

>>719079957
He meant the gargoyles flying you to the next area. Same shit as dark souls 1.

>>719079923
filtered

>>719078287
Least mentally retarded ER zoomer. ER by far has the worst level design of any From game

Leyndell had a lot of verticality

>>719080402
The instance dungeons in ER are pretty good most of the time but the lack of connectability between them loses the charm of exploration. Being open world ruined ER

>>719080326
ER by far has the worst level design of any FR-ACKKK

>>719078207 (OP)
Why was that style completely abandoned after DS1, anyway.
Also as for your question, i heard very good things about this game, i bought it but havent played it yet because i heard theres a DLC coming and its also still getting major updates. People say its the closest thing to an actual megastructure game.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1173220/Bleak_Faith_Forsaken/

>>719078287
Elden Ring is like 50% filler, worthwhile exploration comes and goes, world is far too large, empty and disconnected.

>>719080594
I was very disappointed in Bloodborne when i finally played it but i guess that's my fault for listening to his place, everyone said how mysterious exploration was and how it was sich a great horror lovercraftiam game. Forst of all large chunks of the are pretty linear, interconnection is not common at all, second its an action game, it not very horror centric at all.

>>719080060
Sure i havent

>>719080594
>shows what constitutes as about 5% of the game
Now show the hecking open word, which is most of the game, kind stranger.

>>719080996
>level design bad
>show me the world design!
did you slammed against a brick wall of concrete as a child?

>>719078207 (OP)
I'm in my 40s now and dont have time to explore all that shit and I doubt anyone really does unless you're a jobless loser. Grow up.

>>719080594
BB as a whole is lazily made and the only reason why shills still pretend it's worth anything is because hardly anybody actually played it.
The fact that these people have the audacity to criticize combat in the following games, let alone bosses when BB is barely a notch above Dark Souls II in terms of bosses makes it even worse.

>>719080594
I knew it would be Stormveil before I even zoomed in, Stormveil is the peak of level design in Elden Ring, everything after it is downhill.

>>719078207 (OP)
Elden Ring and its DLC

ER kinda, at least for the legacy dungeons. Shadow of the Erdtree's right half was pretty good with this but a lot of the zones are kinda sparse and empty except for boss fights.
For non Fromsoft games, you have wuchang, AI Limit and arguably Lords of the Fallen.

vibewalking was always a huge part of darksouls, at least 2 hours of my playthroughs are spent just chilling in front of sen's fortress. elden ring just takes vibewalking and makes it a core piece of the gameplay loop by giving you vast open plains to roam and ponder. did they maybe push TOO far in the opposite direction? perhaps, and you can already see the change of heart in SotE overworld, which is far more vertical and compacted compared to ER.

>>719081346
Read OP again, dum dum. This is about world design.

>>719078207 (OP)
mapfags are so fucking insufferable

>>719083385
Level design is a art, faggot, and Dark Souls doesn't even have a map.

>>719082712
Leyndell is fantastic if you have even the remotest sense of direction
course a lot of people lack even that and hate it for being confusing

>>719078207 (OP)
It has individual maps with loading screens, but Northern Journey has a similar interconnected feeling.

>>719083493
yeah but sacrificing fun and atmosphere for level design is fucking stupid

>>719078207 (OP)
>series of linear hallways with nothing in them
Elden Ring might not have as many illusory skyboxes to make the world feel artificially bigger than it is, but isn't has actual playable space.

>>719078267
Bloodborne does that once and it's useless, you're only there for the previously shut off back end of the clinic. Warping was mistake. They had the gall of making me wait through 2 load screens to warp in that game too!!!!

>>719082712
Every single legacy dungeons was good, and some side dungeons were very cool.

>>719078207 (OP)
those 'straight lines' (read: levels) have more intricate and varied design than the entirety of ds1. undead burg pales in comparison to high wall and so on and so forth.

>>719083753
You don't have to. Dark Souls has a great atmosphere, and it's fun.

>>719084129
>get caught on ground geometry that sticks out two inches in game
Yeah, fun.

>>719078686
The big open world is a big open world

Its the main dungeons and their shortcuts that have that classic souls level design. Leyndell might be one of the best souls levels out there even if the colour scheme is a bit samey

>>719084092
high wall really doesn't have that intricate design, it's mostly just enemy spam and not even interesting enemies

>>719080594
Stormveil is the only good part of the game tbqh, everything else is dogshit. all of elden ring should've been like stormveil castle.

>>719084284
Undead village is also fucking stupid

So is crucifiction woods

And the poison swamp shortly after is also fucking stupid with darkwraiths for no reason

>>719084214
Filtered by Blighttown?

>>719078207 (OP)
Xenoblade X I'd argue

>>719084406
>Filtered by [literally any map in DS1]
No, I beat the game numerous times back when it came out and the industry was filled with QTE moviegames. FromSoft have improved more than they've missed with each new game they made under this formula to where DS1's only positive traits anymore is that it has Metroid tier level design. That's it.

>Rolling ball in DS1
Ball is introduced by squishing an enemy, you progressively find out more about how it works throughout the level, first discover an NPC stuck due to the balls, then that they can switch direction, then the mechanic to make them switch direction, which you can use to your advantage and finally where they come from and how to put a stop to them

>Rolling ball in DS3
There's a rolling ball, it exists

>>719084657
you mean the skeleton balls that go backwards that you need to find a way around? that are controlled by a necromancer hidden nearby? that can also be skipped entirely by the hidden shortcut drops through the catacombs?

>>719084806
>that are controlled by a necromancer hidden nearby
Killing the necromancer doesn't affect the skeleton balls, they exist purely to exist

>>719084907
killing the necromancers destroys the skeleton balls and you get a drop from it. an undead bone shard and a dark gem iirc.

When are people going to finally admit all 3 Dark Souls games are the worst this style of game has to offer from FromSoft?

ITT:

>>719078207 (OP)
Shadow of the Erdtree

>>719085430
This makes the Shazamtroons seethe, Anon. It's also 100% true.

>>719078686
base Elden Ring is mostly type 1 with bits of obscure 3
DLC is separate page entirely

>>719078686
You're wrong. Undead Parish is a series of hallways, much like your top lines have showed

>elden ring map le bad!
t. boss rushing meta youtube build guide retard

>>719086103
You're wrong. A small bit in elden ring is just like what I said.

>>719084657
Skeleton in witch hat controls it. Conviniently, first witch skeleton is sitting in the very same hallway you have to go through, and you are likely to faceplant into him as you run in while ball is far away up the staircase.
It's also one single enemy in entire location that will actively run AWAY from you, making you wonder what's his deal. Finally, when you kill skeleton and ball falls apart after ramming a wall, you will hear a loud sound of crash wherever you are. And also ball always crashes near a hallway you visit later on that is blocked off by iron bars, so you absolutely will see that ball is gone and there's an item laying there.
DS3 is shit, but you can't claim there's no some inteligent design behind this specific thing.

Real issue is that there's just two of those, so you learn all this just to encounter one another skeleton ball that drops crab and it's witch skeleton is guarded far better. And also there's no real reason to deal with balls besides getting drops, it's not like you are going to walk in those areas alot after you clear them.

Everquest was this way back in the 90s. Zones like Upper and Lower Guk are so twisty and layered that its almost impossible to parse them using a map since its so honeycombed. I decided to play Project 1999 after a 20 year absence from the game and I was so fucking confused because I had forgotten my mental map of the place. The only way to do some of those dungeons is just by learning it, you could never navigate via a map.

>>719084647
Yet Ds1 is way more enjoyable to play and replay and has a lasting impression. Worth revisiting every couple of years, where ER becomes a chore midway through. I would even admit that ER has better combat. Sure you have more options to attack but defending is just tedious rolling for hours

>>719080594
Never got why people sucked off TOH so much. First half is literally a hallway of reused assets from the base game, middle is just Duke's Archive and Finale is another linear hallway

>>719085359
tale as old as time

bad thread, horrible even. true ds1 fans understand why.

Lords of the Fallen

>>719087138
DS1 literally falls apart the second you aquire the LV. Every criticism of ER you have applies to DaS1, but worse so, because at least "that part" in Elden Ring is literally just one segment of the game you blow through in an hour, where the entire last half of DaS1 is mid as fuck.

>>719087348
Because the Old Hunters was about the bosses, not the fucking map being "interconnected."

>>719087854
Souls combat is not, and never was, good enough to warrant a boss rush DLC.

>>719087927
Correct. Thankfully Sekiro and Elden Ring fixed that.

>>719088007
Sekiro was better, but still not great. Elden Ring, fuck no, it's just DS3 with a jump button.

>>719087562
DS1 is the best.

>>719088296
Elden Ring combat is so different from DS3 it's not even funny
Why do you think millions of retards cried about Margit?
Because they all tried to play the DS3 rollslop way, which was god mode in that game
The intricate movesets of bosses in Elden Ring prevent every form of rollslopping, you CAN do bosses by dodging their attacks, but you have to be smart about it, you can't just spam the O button and go through every fucking attack freely

DS1 faggots hypocrisy knows no bounds.

>>719088475
>you CAN do bosses by dodging their attacks, but you have to be smart about it, you can't just spam the O button and go through every fucking attack freely
Translations: Beat your head against the boss until you memorise it's moveset. The combat is still the same old Souls affair, and as usual, can easily be turned into a joke with a greatshield and thrusting weapon.

>>719088826
This is cope beyond measure, Anon. All because you refuse to give Elden Ring it's just dues.

>>719079825
I remember getting completely lost in that game. I had no idea where to go and I quit playing. Maybe I'll give it another chance

>>719088953
It is not cope in any capacity. Elden Ring's combat is the same old Souls affair. No one's denying that the bosses/mobs have much more variety in movesets, with some common mobs being more complex than DS1 bosses. The player however, is still playing DS3, but with a jump button.

Woooooooooooow le hecking open worlendidoooo
Oh my science, lord vader hold meee I can exploooore in any direction I wanttttt
Onwardsss Roach!

>>719089862
mmmm ice cream

>>719089862
But enough about Starfield

>>719089364
>Guard counters
>Crouch attacks
>Spirit Ashes
>Potion Mixtures
>Torrent
>Bosses designed to abuse roll spam and r1 mashing
My dude, you barely even know wtf you are talking about. If you played Elden Ring like DS3, it's no wonder you have such a negative outlook on the game.

>>719078207 (OP)
Saying one is a masterpiece while another is some abomination is retarded. They're all the same game. That's why I like all of them.

>>719081439
>unc thinks he's tough shit for being a wagie

>>719090120
>Guard Counters
Adds nothing. Not like you couldn't always attack after a block. Jump L2s work just as fine for breaking posture.
>crouch attacks
Literally just fucking roll attacks
>Spirit Ashes
Souls has had summonable NPCs since DeS. The summon being a mob adds nothing new.
>Potion Mixtures
Wow, buffs, something the series has always had
>Torrent
Trivialises the open-world, unlimited stamina, better off not using in him combat outside of two boss, unless you're running away. Only other use he has for the mounting i-frames if you're feeling extra spicy.
>Bosses designed to abuse roll spam and R1 mashing
Changes nothing about the core gameplay, just reinforces the rote memorisation boss design of Souls.
>If you played Elden Ring like DS3, it's no wonder you have such a negative outlook on the game.
I played it like a Souls game because it's a Souls game.

>>719090120
>Guard Counters
R2 but a bit faster, at the cost of R2 + whatever stamina you needed to block enemy attack
>Crouch attacks
Shortcut for running attacks
>Spirit ashes
Cosplay build summons that work offline
>Potion mixtures
Only actual "new" addition that isn't some for of QoL. I'd say the only really new mechanic ER brought in is buff stacking.
>Torrent
Useless in actual combat. Clowning on random soldiers in the middle of empty field is not actual combat.
>Bosses designed to abuse roll spam and r1 mashing
I dunno, I think roll spam still works like a charm.

So basically, all new stuff in ER are just QoL changes that were NECESSARY because without them:
>get smacked as you charge your R2s
>get smacked as you run around to setup running attacks
>get smacked as you whiff your tap direction+R2
>spirit ashes exist because they couldn't come up with million random NPCs to plop summon signs for for every single watchdog fight
>old buffs weren't enough for ridiculous number bloat going on in ER
>torrent exists to facilitate travel on fuckhuge empty fields

>>719090718
>Guard counters adds nothing
Literal retard take from someone who has no idea how to play the game.

>Literally just roll attacks
And crouching is a guaranteed way to avoid some attacks.

>Spirit Ashes are the same as summonabke NPCs
Literal fucking retard. Tell me what NPC summons a pack of beast men, or regenerative skeleton Spearman.

>Potion mixtures are just Buffalo
Again, entire strategies are formed completely around them, and some completely add new gameplay elements to characters that normally don't have access to them.

Not even gonna bother with the rest, you clearly have no idea wtf you're even on about, and I got lunch to grab.

>>719080594
Stormveil is literally the best level fromsoft has ever made.

>>719087348
It was liked not only because of the fantastic roaster of bosses, but also because it pretty much doubled the base game's weapon pool.

>>719078207 (OP)
Lords of the Fallen (new one) I guess. They've put a lot of work into patching it and I keep meaning to do a new playthrough with the built-in randomizer, but I'm just preoccupied with other games.

>>719091290
>Literal retard take from someone who has no idea how to play the game.
Tell me then, what does a singular attack from blockstun add? Especially when it's rendered useless by bosses that flip away after their combo. If you pull the "muh posture" shit, then I preemptively with reply with jumping R2/L2
>And crouching is a guaranteed way to avoid some attacks.
Keyword here being "some", again, back to the rote memorisation boss design.
>Literal fucking retard. Tell me what NPC summons a pack of beast men, or regenerative skeleton Spearman.
Semantics. You are summoning an NPC to assist you in battle, which is nothing new to the game. You have no control over your summons or their tactics outside of mimic tear.
>Again, entire strategies are formed completely around them, and some completely add new gameplay elements to characters that normally don't have access to them.
Like what? The only one of any value is the deflect tear.
You are literally propping up minor gameplay enhancements in a vain attempt to prove that ER's gameplay isn't just DS3 with a jump button.

>>719091789
>I don't understand what blocking an attacking an attack and countering with the equivalent of a fully charged R2 at similar stamina thesholds adds to the equation
I know you don't, which is why I said your take is retarded. Anyways, got my lunch. Enjoy figuring out how to play a game my literal 7yo learned how to play and beat.

ds1 stans whenever you emit the slightest bit of criticism towards their shit antiquated and janky ass game

>>719092103
>No rebuttal
>Ad hominem
Concession accepted. Enjoy your lunchables, faggot.

>>719078207 (OP)
man Dark Souls 3 is so fucking ugly
I know it's the intended style they wanted to go for but man it's just so bad

>>719092936
Linear grey/brown dogshit of the worst kind

The undisputed GOAT...

>>719078207 (OP)

I kid you not

Lords of the Fallen

It literally feels like Dark Souls 1 in this regard ebcause every single sector is interconnected somehow

>>719078207 (OP)
Abiotic factor but fuck that shit sucks dick.

>>719092764
I already rebutted your point, and just because you openly acknowledged that I overtly called you a name doesn't magically refute that rebuttal, nor does ot somehow make you any less deserving of the slur, faggot. Go back to Rebbit.

>>719093841
You rebutted nothing. Not only are you stupid, you're so senile that you've already forgotten your own posts, how sad.

>>719091226
>get smacked
lmao skill issues all

Dark souls 2 and you're gonna hate this answer

>>719085359
>>719087562
>>719088630
>>719092695
>>719092845
elden ring slop fan on suicide watch

Dusk has a lot of vertical levels, but is a fps.

>>719078207 (OP)
DS1 was nothing like that, considering all of those pathways are between the same three areas. Dark souls had very few areas with multiple connection points to other areas.

>>719089124
Outstanding game. The sequel is shit and I hope we will get sns2 soon. Salt and sanctuary is a 10/10 for me. Have 5 characters and it's awesome, albeit basic.