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Anonymous No.719081503 [Report] >>719082361 >>719083193 >>719083874 >>719083915 >>719084887 >>719085313 >>719086909 >>719087920 >>719090485 >>719094158 >>719095656 >>719107228 >>719107463 >>719114337
about to play this first time
Which romhacks? The manulowe bugfixes? The bugfixing and uncensoring patch? Or the Chrono Trigger Complete that is a blend between SNES and DS translation?

The original SNES game has a lot of minor grammar, spelling, and formatting errors, as well as certain gameplay bugs that were later fixed in the DS version.
Anonymous No.719081710 [Report]
how about just play the game normally
Anonymous No.719082361 [Report] >>719083583
>>719081503 (OP)
don't bother, it aged like milk.
Anonymous No.719082929 [Report] >>719083106 >>719083583 >>719083874 >>719084068 >>719085030 >>719086660 >>719101986 >>719103509 >>719105040
Why does everyone praise it so much? It's your typical run of the mill JRPG. I got to the point where the caveman era is unlocked and stopped playing.
Anonymous No.719083106 [Report]
>>719082929
A combination of my childhood and it's the best because it is
Anonymous No.719083193 [Report] >>719083583 >>719084343
>>719081503 (OP)
I played both FFV and this. I finished FFV, but gave up Chrono Trigger twice after roughly more than two hours. The beginning is an absolute mess. I didn't play any of them in my childhood, so Nostalgia doesn't work here.
Anonymous No.719083583 [Report] >>719085449 >>719085546 >>719100769
>>719083193
>>719082929
>>719082361
contrarianism isn't a personality
Anonymous No.719083874 [Report] >>719090267
>>719081503 (OP)
The animations suck. They are well done, but they kill the pacing, because you end up watching the same scenes twice: once in-game, once in a cutscene. Get a version without them.
>>719082929
It's probably mostly nostalgia. Most of these "classic" JRPGs play like ass and have boring writing.
Anonymous No.719083915 [Report]
>>719081503 (OP)
just play the original game you nitwit
Anonymous No.719084068 [Report] >>719084660 >>719085546 >>719085785 >>719088690 >>719101067 >>719102864 >>719110968 >>719111752
>>719082929
Chrono Trigger is THE JRPG for people who don't like JRPGs. It hits all the notes:
>Toriyama
>mindless combat that just boils down to mashing on your strongest skills
>no icky elaborate plot that makes brain hurt, what you see is what you get (aka the most basic shit ever)
>no items and equipment with fun effects, you just slap on whatever has the higher number and the MP cost halving accessories once you get them
Anonymous No.719084343 [Report] >>719084563
>>719083193
I was born in the same week Chrono Trigger was released, played the game for the first time somewhere in my mid-twenties and it claimed a slot in my favourtmite games of all time. Nostalgia had nothing to do with it, the game just appeals to what I want in a game.
Anonymous No.719084563 [Report] >>719084652
>>719084343
games ass blud
Anonymous No.719084652 [Report]
>>719084563
I'm sorry you feel that way
Anonymous No.719084660 [Report] >>719084782
>>719084068
JRPGs are already one of the most braindead mindless genres out there
Anonymous No.719084715 [Report]
Play the Playstation version for cutscenes... or watch them on youtube
Anonymous No.719084782 [Report] >>719085154 >>719085378
>>719084660
Wrong. People regularly get filtered by the most basic games in the genre like Dragon Quest or Earthbound all the time. Chrono Trigger has its status for a reason.
Anonymous No.719084887 [Report] >>719085126
>>719081503 (OP)
Just play it normally. Be sure to Play chrono Cross afterwards, which is the better game.
Anonymous No.719085030 [Report] >>719085193
>>719082929
It's a really consistent, solid package that was ahead of its time in many respects. The game introduced NG+, had a lot of endings and I guess the most important thing is that it simply has soul, its own magical atmosphere.

You are supposed to use your imagination while playing it, a skill not so common among modern players.
Anonymous No.719085126 [Report]
>>719084887
both games are mid I dropped them
Anonymous No.719085154 [Report] >>719085253
>>719084782
I mean CT isn't particularly difficult JRPG, but when you compare it to something like, say, Mass Effect, it's definitely more difficult. Some difficulty already comes from the fact you have to deduce what to do and where to go next.
Anonymous No.719085193 [Report] >>719085484
>>719085030
>the game is good but you have to imagine it
kek keep coping
Anonymous No.719085253 [Report] >>719085427 >>719085484 >>719085546
>>719085154
ME on normal is probably more difficult than ct. Insanity is definitely more difficult.
Anonymous No.719085313 [Report]
>>719081503 (OP)
SNES version is perfectly fine unpatched unless you're really that autistic
Anonymous No.719085378 [Report]
>>719084782
People should play Mother 3. It has a great and very touching story.
Anonymous No.719085427 [Report] >>719085687
>>719085253
there is nothing remotely difficult about any ME
Anonymous No.719085449 [Report]
>>719083583
it's not a personality. it's a state of mind; a state of being. and I'm sick of the fucking faggots
Anonymous No.719085484 [Report]
>>719085253
There are a couple pressuring fights in ME, but the same applies to CT. And I meant normal, of course.

>>719085193
It's not a good argument, but I think it's still true. The characters don't say a lot, but the few lines they say give a good idea of what kind of characters they are. You need to immerse yourself into the whole thing and just enjoy the atmosphere. The thing with CT is that it's a really carefully crafted game, where characters say no more, no less than they need to and everything seems to be just sufficient.
Anonymous No.719085546 [Report] >>719094741
>>719085253
You're only comparing combat.
>>719084068
I think Super Mario RPG is a better jrpg for people who hate jrpgs (me). But I recently finished it and honestly didn't think anything of it.
>>719083583
I'm not trying to be a contrarian, I just struggle to enjoy jrpgs.
Anonymous No.719085687 [Report] >>719087705
>>719085427
...and the same is true of CT. You might die at some point in ME.
Anonymous No.719085785 [Report]
>>719084068
>Toriyama
>For people who don't like JRPGs
Dragon Quest is literally THE textbook definition of a classic JRPG, what are you smoking?
>No elaborate plot
Most real JRPGs don't have complicated plots.
>Mashing your strongest skills
JRPGs with complex mechanics are actually the odd ones out. Most JRPGs are closer on the spectrum to Mystic Quest than The Last Remnant.
Anonymous No.719085992 [Report] >>719086194
I feel like I've seen the same replies over and over again.
Anonymous No.719086194 [Report] >>719102435
>>719085992
Time to go outside.
Anonymous No.719086660 [Report]
>>719082929
Good music and fast pacing.
Anonymous No.719086909 [Report]
>>719081503 (OP)
seemed fine as is
Anonymous No.719087705 [Report] >>719088078
>>719085687
Yeah but CT doesn’t pretend to be some tactical cover shooter while being dumbed down to “spam singularity and snipe.” Chrono Trigger kills you if you’re lazy, not because some bullet-sponge with a rocket launcher caught you in a hallway. Both are easy by today’s standards but at least CT has style and charm while kicking your ass.
Anonymous No.719087920 [Report]
>>719081503 (OP)
Just play in Japanese.
Anonymous No.719088078 [Report]
>>719087705
>Both are easy by today's standards
Games are easier than ever. Games have been dumbified and casualized for 20 years straight. ME and CT are definitely not 'easy' compared to modern slop.
Anonymous No.719088690 [Report] >>719088983 >>719089263 >>719089329 >>719090448
>>719084068
>>no icky elaborate plot that makes brain hurt, what you see is what you get (aka the most basic shit ever)
Only a massive retard would think that any JRPG has an elaborate plot
Anonymous No.719088983 [Report]
>>719088690
Wrong. Retards shit themselves over JRPGs where you fight God all the time.
Anonymous No.719089263 [Report]
>>719088690
FF7 has an elaborate plot. Not just in relation to Mako energy, stream, the Planet and so on, but also Sephiroth, Cloud, SOLDIER project and so on. If you don't call that elaborate, then there are no elaborate video game plots in any genre.
Anonymous No.719089329 [Report]
>>719088690
Plenty have elaborate plots, but elaborate doesn't necessarily mean deep or good.
Anonymous No.719089620 [Report]
I hate on good games for online attention.
Worship me.
Anonymous No.719090267 [Report]
>>719083874
Some are still good. Romancing SaGa 2 with its nonlinear exploration, Vagrant Story with its atmosphere (fuck the loading screens and overly long animations though), Valkyrie Profile with its charming artstyle and good (though uneven) recruitment stories. And all of them have intricate combat systems that WILL filter you if you're just mindlessly mashing buttons.
But in general classic JRPGs are awful. Consolised experience with no room for strategy, filled to the brim with cliché writing and poor translations. Xenogears in particular had its translation butchered and reads worse than a YA novel.
Anonymous No.719090371 [Report] >>719090732
JRPG must be a great genre because it filters zoomers.
Anonymous No.719090448 [Report] >>719103262 >>719107604 >>719107758
>>719088690
Every character you meet in the story turns up again, hundreds of miles away, to reveal that they are someone else and have been secretly controlling the action of the plot. It feels like the entire world is populated by about fifteen people who follow Grimm around wherever he goes. If the next three games continue along the same lines, then the big reveal will be that the world is entirely populated by no more than three superpowered shapeshifters.

Everyone in the game has secret identities, secret connections to grand conspiracies, and important plot elements that they conveniently hide until the last minute, only doling out clues here and there. There are no normal people in this world, only double agents and niggermen in disguise. Every analysis I've read of this game mentions that even the narrator is unreliable.

This can be an effective technique, but in combination with a world of infinite, unpredictable intrigue, EMMM's story begins to evoke something between a soap opera and a convoluted mystery novel, relying on impossible and contradictory scenarios to mislead the audience. Apparently, this is the thing his fans most appreciate about him—I find it to be an insulting and artificial game.

There is simply not enough structure to the story to make the narrator's unreliability meaningful. In order for unreliable narration to be effective, there must be some clear and evident counter-story that undermines it. Without that, it is not possible to determine meaning, because there's nowhere to start: everything is equally shaky.

At that point, it's just a trick—adding complexity to the surface of the story without actually producing any new meaning. I know most sci-fi and fantasy authors seem to love complexity for its own sake, but it's a cardinal sin of storytelling: don't add something into your story unless it needs to be there. Covering the story with a lot of vagaries and noise may impress some, but won't stand up to careful reading.
Anonymous No.719090485 [Report]
>>719081503 (OP)
>Which romhacks? The manulowe bugfixes? The bugfixing and uncensoring patch? Or the Chrono Trigger Complete that is a blend between SNES and DS translation?
Anonymous No.719090732 [Report] >>719091330 >>719092083
>>719090371
JRPGs must be the most controversial popular genre. People who don't like RPGs at all can't comprehend people liking them, and within the genre people argue endlessly about the various subgenres, linear vs. nonlinear, etc. Even with games like Final Fantasy where IV through IX are all pretty similar, people argue endlessly and aggressively over which is best.

I think it's because what makes an RPG enjoyable depends on more subjective things than what makes say a platformer enjoyable (nice feeling movement, etc.)
Anonymous No.719091330 [Report] >>719091732
>>719090732
>gameplay
I started playing turn-based games IRL with chess and I've been chasing the same high with vidya. I want my turn-based RPGs to be complex and difficult but fair. If it's braindead easy (Chrono Trigger) or if it's too RNG-reliant (SMT 3, getting critlocked to death by Pretas in the tutorial with literally no counterplay, even speedrunners have to deal with RNG, is not fun) then I don't want to play it.
>exploration
I hate linear games. Give me Hollow Knight, not Metroid Dread. Dark Souls 1, not Dark Souls 3.
>graphics
Don't care.

I hate most JRPGs with passion, there are only a handful of them I actually like. Wizardry games, SaGa games, Bravely Default, Crystal Project, etc.
Thank you for reading my blog.
Anonymous No.719091732 [Report] >>719091992
>>719091330
Have you played Nethack?
Anonymous No.719091992 [Report]
>>719091732
Roguelikes sound right up my alley (as long as you can overcome bad RNG with skill), but they require a bit too much autism to get into with all their keybindings. I might try them someday.
Anonymous No.719092083 [Report] >>719092397
>>719090732
>within the genre people argue endlessly
I don't think they do. People argue on this site endlessly, sure, but the common sense approach is to appreciate different formats and games for what they are and see different benefits in each. It doesn't really matter which golden age FF is best, they're all good.

Most people judge JRPGs (and games) solely based on atmosphere. FF8 is not a good game (it's broken by design) but there are people who think it's the best of all FFs solely because of Balamb Garden vibe.
Anonymous No.719092397 [Report] >>719092639 >>719092912
>>719092083
I totally understand why you'd say it, but I wonder if it's actually fair to say FF8 is a bad game. The combat is certainly weird and broken in terms of balance, but for some people it's more fun to play with that than going through a game with generic but tightly balanced Dragon Quest clone combat.
Anonymous No.719092639 [Report] >>719093098
>>719092397
And outside the combat FF8 is great. Tons of secrets to find, cool world to explore, good sidequests, etc. Yeah, vibes play a big part too, the music and visuals are distinctive and create a unique atmosphere. Even the combat is fun outside the balance issues.

It's probably true that JRPGs are often judged largely based on their atmosphere, which is very subjective.
>the common sense approach is to appreciate different formats and games for what they are and see different benefits in each
Yeah, that's the right way to go about it.
Anonymous No.719092912 [Report] >>719093451
>>719092397
Combat is pretty important in FFs and FF8 encourages you to avoid combat and when you do engage in combat, you just stand there and draw spells. A game shouldn't encourage the player not to play the game. And unlike in other games, you don't even use the spells, you just spam limit breaks. It'd feel twisted to call it a good game, when clearly the combat/draw/stat system has a flawed design philosophy. It's just a coincidence that some people happen to like the way it's broken.

But FF8 has a cool atmosphere and the best music of the series. That's why people should like it.
Anonymous No.719093098 [Report] >>719093224
>>719092639
What JRPGs with good atmosphere even are there? Vagrant Story, SMT 3 (5 is too bright), Koudelka, Shadow Hearts, Fear & Hunger, OFF, Black Souls 2... Can't think of many.
Anonymous No.719093224 [Report]
>>719093098
Chrono Trigger and Cross
Anonymous No.719093451 [Report] >>719093503 >>719094602
>>719092912
>FF8 encourages you to avoid combat
Only if you know how to break it and are aware how the level scaling works. The game basically works fine playing it blind.
Anonymous No.719093503 [Report] >>719093916
>>719093451
That's true. Except it's still obvious the junctioned spells make you strong and that's enough to unbalance the game still.
Anonymous No.719093916 [Report]
>>719093503
Yeah you're right. I had fun playing through it though the first time, doing stupid suboptimal things like drawing 100 of a spell in battles. Even that was still entertaining, figuring out which enemies have the best spells to make you stronger and things like that. I guess in general poor balance isn't a dealbreaker for me as long as the other aspects of the game are good. I also enjoy games like Symphony of the Night too where you're stupidly overpowered but have a lot to mess around with.
Anonymous No.719094158 [Report] >>719094648
>>719081503 (OP)
Vanilla SNES. The DS additional content is shit garbage. The DS translation is horrendous dogshit. You don't need anything uncensored, you don't need anything bugfixed.
>b-b-but my wolflobe sword?!?
kys
Anonymous No.719094602 [Report] >>719094774
>>719093451
I played it using summons only and was softlocked at the end because all my characters would get wiped out in the final battle
Anonymous No.719094648 [Report]
>>719094158
>wolflobe sword
Anonymous No.719094741 [Report] >>719095184
>>719085546
>I'm not trying to be a contrarian, I just struggle to enjoy jrpgs.

oh so you're just being disingenuous. ok
Anonymous No.719094774 [Report] >>719095184
>>719094602
You weren't really softlocked though, you just needed to get stronger somehow. But yeah, the game kinda tricks you into spamming summons over other stuff, a lot of people end up doing that.
Anonymous No.719094818 [Report] >>719097603
I personally prefer the DS translation because Frog actually sounds like everyone else in his era, and it sounds like every patch for the SNES ROM does nothing for this outside of overblown fan retranslations, so I'd go with that, MelonDS emulates it fine

Also, IGNORE all postgame content that was added, because nothing they do to tie CT/CC together will ever change the fact that a major character in 1 was made a weak missable side character in 2
Anonymous No.719095184 [Report] >>719095413 >>719097843
>>719094774
Well, yeah, loading an earlier save and figuring out the actual fighting mechanics. But I was kind of burnt out by that point. I really gotta give it another go sometime soon.
>>719094741
I don't get it
Anonymous No.719095413 [Report]
>>719095184
I might be forgetting some save point, but you could leave Ultimecia's castle too without loading an earlier save. Can't blame you for feeling burnt out though.
Anonymous No.719095656 [Report]
>>719081503 (OP)
Fuck off and go back to CoD.
Anonymous No.719097603 [Report] >>719097942
>>719094818
musicians >>>>> condiments
Masamune >>>> Granleon
Just calling him Magus >>>> IT DA FEIIIND LARDD
Anonymous No.719097843 [Report]
>>719095184
>I don't get it

"I can't figure out why I don't like this game!!!"
"I dislike JRPGS"
??????
Anonymous No.719097942 [Report] >>719102210
>>719097603
Musicians are way better, RIP Ozzy.

I like Magus more too, but it's another word for Magician. So in that sense, Fiend Lord/Demon King might be cooler.

Masamune is better because fuck you I grew up with it, I don't care if it's not a European sounding sword name. The name was decided in 12,000 BC anyway.
Anonymous No.719100769 [Report]
>>719083583
>why is this game considered great, I don't think so?
>UHH UHHH YOU ARE CONTRARIAN GRRRR!!!!!
embarassing
Anonymous No.719101067 [Report]
>>719084068
>Chrono Trigger is THE JRPG for people who don't like JRPGs
You wrote Persona wrong, anon.
Anonymous No.719101986 [Report]
>>719082929
>It's your typical run of the mill JRPG.
You do realize this is one of the earliest JRPG ever right? As in it was a trailblazer for the games that came after it? Why is it that you zoomers can't seem to comprehend things like this? And if you aren't a zoomer then you are even more of an idiot.
Anonymous No.719102210 [Report]
>>719097942
Demon King=Demon King Piccolo besides Magus does look like like a fused version of Piccolo and Vegeta just having Piccolo's height.
Anonymous No.719102435 [Report]
>>719086194
I did go outside. I still see the same replies as another time, another day.
Anonymous No.719102560 [Report]
Anonymous No.719102864 [Report] >>719102983
>>719084068
>mindless combat that just boils down to mashing on your strongest skills
Every JRPG was mindless back then, retard. There were special cases of course like the SaGa games, but most of them relied on shitty boss gimmicks for any semblance of difficulty. Even SMT, known for having some of the best JRPG combat today, was mindless back then
>no icky elaborate plot that makes brain hurt, what you see is what you get (aka the most basic shit ever)
Please don't tell me you think other SNES JRPGs had complex stories lmao
Anonymous No.719102983 [Report] >>719103072
>>719102864
>fag who clearly doesn't like JRPGs defends Chrono Nigger
A tale as old as time.
Anonymous No.719103072 [Report]
>>719102983
>no argument
I accept your concession
Anonymous No.719103262 [Report]
>>719090448
>Black Slop
Anonymous No.719103509 [Report]
>>719082929
it's well made and doesn't drag on playtime wise. if it was harder it'd be the best iteration of ATB ever made, because there is an actual mechanical incentive to wait for your allies turns to stack up, but also a risk to doing so. but even as is it's very well executed, and makes the party actually feel like a team working together in fights
Anonymous No.719104941 [Report]
Anonymous No.719105040 [Report]
>>719082929
It's just enjoyable and doesn't overstay its welcome
Also the overall presentation is a 10/10, you cannot argue against this
Anonymous No.719107228 [Report]
>>719081503 (OP)
Play the original in Japanese or fuck off.
Anonymous No.719107430 [Report]
>chrono shitter is trash
So what is Secret of the Stars?
Anonymous No.719107463 [Report] >>719109519
>>719081503 (OP)
>gameplay bugs
like what?
Anonymous No.719107604 [Report]
>>719090448
But enough about your loli porn fairy tale rape game.
Anonymous No.719107758 [Report]
>>719090448
Rape alices asshole. Rape that cats asshole. Rape the loli queen's asshole. Rape the fairies dead. Deep story bro.
Anonymous No.719109519 [Report]
>>719107463
I don't remember seeing any gameplay bugs in Chrono Trigger
Anonymous No.719110968 [Report] >>719111401
>>719084068
You just described most JRPGs, retard. DQ, the quintessential JRPG, features Toriyama art, retard. Retard.
Anonymous No.719111401 [Report] >>719112067
>>719110968
DQ, despite sharing several of these features, is THE single biggest filter for midwits who pretend they like JRPGs when they really don't. The franchise's status in the west is like showing a cross to a vampire.
Anonymous No.719111752 [Report]
>>719084068
Shitty opinions like this is how we ended up with Chrono Cross, by the way.
Anonymous No.719112067 [Report] >>719112209
>>719111401
why would someone "pretend" to like the most dogshit, braindead, bottom of the barrel genre in existence?
Anonymous No.719112209 [Report] >>719116278
>>719112067
See? It's really no wonder you came to Chrono Nigger's defense.
Anonymous No.719114337 [Report] >>719116182
>>719081503 (OP)
>uncensoring patch
definitely use this if you want to see unpixelated penis in vagina sex during the sex scene
Anonymous No.719116182 [Report]
>>719114337
lucca was WILD, man
Anonymous No.719116278 [Report]
>>719112209
I think you're replying to the wrong poster. Have you seen yourself in a mirror before saying mean things on the internet?