Thread 719093275

They're called "open world games" but in actuality it’s "empty world games". Vast areas of nothingness where you can enjoy the view for a true cinematic experience™, and optionally follow the obvious on-screen arrows/markers to your target if you maybe feel like playing. Players nowadays are ADHD-ridden and don't have the time nor patience to go exploring and finding shit, and they'll quit at the first game over screen or whenever they hit a roadblock.

Back in the day I could tolerate these types of game, it was a small niche and occasionally it was alright to play some sandbox game. But now everything has to be open world for no other reason than to justify you buying the newest PSwhatever. Fuck open world. Fuck it up its ass.

>inb4 seething zoomers come to defend openworld slop because that’s the only type of gameplay they know since birth
I don’t care, suck my benis.

how do you know if you're autistic?

>>719093275 (OP)
I seriously doubt that zoomers play open world walking sims

>muh intergeneratonal conflictirino
Go back, fag.

>>719093437
>seething zoomerino
kekarino

based
fuck open world slop

>>719093275 (OP)
Young thirdies pretending to be oldfags with good taste in vidya but who grew up on shitty railroaded console games suck.

>>719093712
self-critical?

>>719093275 (OP)
True.

>>719093802
I'm a 35 year old white man who knows devs have been trying to make bigger and more open games for years, and that the pretend oldfags are just mid-20s brownies who think Ubisoft popularized open world games in 2014.

>>719093275 (OP)
My only problem with them is how derivative they've become. Ubisoft towers to find collectables, themed side quests, unlocks, skill trees, fucking crafting.
Crafting is games almost always sucks. If your game is an RPG, ditch crafting. It's not fun to collect 400 small bits of string to make a rope to tie a beer can into a table leg to craft a trash hammer.

I know I'm mixing game genres here, but every open world game has some of these issues.

Been playing spider man for the PS4, and it gets a pass so far because it's just fun to move around in that game. But it got to the point last night where the map is nearly flooded with "activities". Why does Spider-Man need to photograph all the landmarks in NY? Why did he leave all this identifying information in backpacks across the city?
So far it's not gotten boring, but I know I'm not 100%ing this thing. It feels like a needy friend who doesn't want to let you leave.

>>719093926
Spot on observation, bae.

its a dead genre outside gta and tes
people got sick of walking around doing nothing

>>719094715
The cancer just started infecting Japan
See: Elden Ring, Nu-Zelda, Mario Kart

>>719095682
Gimmicks to sell the new gen
It wont get far

>>719095772
You're too optimistic

>>719096090
Maybe, I mostly isolate myself and play a few genres I enjoy so I might be quite ignorant but I just cant see open world keeping people's interest for much longer

>>719096090
>>719096305
Only idiot consolebabies who grew up on shitty Nintendo games think open world is some kind of passing fad.

Linear game
>usually dense level/content design
>down times and slower moments are deliberately paced between action or harder levels
small open world
>smaller map means level design is dense
>travel between POIs is short, just enough for an enjoyable amount of down time between content
huge open world
>content spread thin over a larger map
>game is mostly travel and down time
what are some good small open world games aside from Gothic?

>>719093275 (OP)
I've been playing a lot of KCD lately and it has convinced me that open world games have an issue with scale. see, in this game, you have three major cities (talmberg, rattay and sasau) and a bunch of minor towns between them. the roads between each major settlement are populated with smaller "sites of interest" that usually contain at least a few secrets worth unearthing, and every single town in the game has at least one major quest associated with it. not only is the map very tightly knit like this and therefore "intimate" to the point that after enough play time you'll become very familiar with it, it's also very efficient with the space it uses. not much of it goes to waste, although you can argue that a lot of the forested areas and woodlands are empty, at least they're occupied by the aforementioned "sites of interest" and a smattering of bandit camps here and there, not to mention various types of hunting grounds.

the point is, it's the perfect size for an open world. it's not so big as to be totally fucking empty, and it's not so small that you feel as though there's nothing to explore. this game ain't perfect but they really did a lot right with it, it gave me that ocarina of time feeling of traveling through a hub between major areas.

elden ring, on the other hand, is a beautifully crafted world, but feels artificial and plastic in terms of its atmosphere, and this is because the game is so combat driven that the world itself simply feels like one large level to be used as a battleground for enemy engagement. while there's nothing wrong with the combat, the level design suffers because outside of combat there's nothing to do that will have you interacting with the environment in any significant way, it's just a gigantic boxing ring in which you go around looking for fights to pick.

basically, atmosphere can only take you so far, you need to actually do something with the space gameplay wise

Devs really though that the 5 minutes rolling from one end of hyrule field to the other is what made those games fondly remembered

>>719097842
You joke but Majora's Mask 3D came out and it was smeared by absolute fucking retards because they make swimming in Hyrule sea a bit different

>>719097705
Wandering in the woods and hunting is one of the best parts of the game. Anyone complaining about it being empty is the kind of tendie consolebaby retard that calls anything that isn't completely railroaded "sandbox slop".

>>719093469
>muh intergeneratonal conflictirino
Go back, fag.

>>719093275 (OP)
>They're called "open world games" but in actuality it’s "empty world games"
Thank you for your wisdom, Dalai Lama.

the only good open world game is cyberpunk 2077 until you beat the game then it's lifeless except driving around

>>719093275 (OP)
>Players nowadays are ADHD-ridden and don't have the time nor patience to go exploring and finding shit
It's weird how people say shit like this when hyperfixation is one of the defining traits of ADHD and when it practically goes hand-in-hand with Autism. A genuine nonself-diagnosed ADHDfag isn't going to drop a game they like because of impatience or because they lost once. They'll skip on sleep and show up late to work to keep playing it, be a constant participant in discussion around that game, and eventually, they'll start making mods for it. Then, when someone happens to mention the game in passing, they start to spend the next hour talking endlessly about it until someone tells them definitively to shut up.

Open world whining is just the brown zoomer version of iron sights whining on this side years ago

You don’t fit in, even amongst contrarians, you are not part of a “secret club”. You are a retarded loser with no personality.

>>719093712
>>719093926
Extremely fucking true. The open world hate is some poser shit from newfag browns

>have open world games turned to shit?
>No, it's just seething "browns"
Her's a bump for your dogshit thread btw

>>719093275 (OP)
it works when you can build a base with no restrictions. build limits are fucking gay.
>ooh check this game out anon youll love it its like minecraft you can build a base
>haha wait a second bitch you cant place more than 200 pieces
what the fuck

>>719101549
Post hand

>>719101549
>her’s
Lol

>open worlds = swish
>hub worlds = mint

>nstalling pointless mods that get patched in over time
why do they're work?

>>719101601
>its like minecraft
So why not just play Minecraft?

>>719093275 (OP)
yea

hmm...

>>719093275 (OP)
I wish I could control women's breast sizes irl

>>719093275 (OP)
>Open-world survival crafting RPG-skill tree rougelike rouge-like deckbuilder (early access)

>>719093275 (OP)
Open world games are for people who make the fun themselves. I don't get it personally since I've never been able to will myself into enjoying something, especially something that "wastes" my time. I need good reason to play a video game, notably a strong experience. I play a myriad of genres in pursuit of novelty and it is a treadmill that never stops. Open world games often have the issue of not wanting to give off too strong a stance on how or why you should play which ends up with everything being covered in a film of mediocrity or pointlessness.

Open world is cool when it's like Dark Souls 1, otherwise I'm just looking for POIs and ignoring literally everything else.

>>719100647
And then he fucked a young boy

daserytu

>>719093275 (OP)

BIG

>>719093275 (OP)
>Team spends 8 years and millions of dollars to make an open world game
>Contract out to some mocap studio to shit out some cutscenes
>It's the size of an airport and there's nothing in it
Open world sounds impressive and that's why it's used as a cover for large scale embezzlement backed by wage theft and creative accounting. In actual development an open world game will just choke the studio with ambition.
>>719097705
The ideal scale really is much smaller than most people would think, it's all about movement, which is why fast travel is basically open world cancer.
>>719094715
Even if people are sick of it, the audience is governments and investors, not gaymers. Ubisoft outright tried to pressure Valve to not actually show their playercounts so they can keep defrauding the government with fake sales.
>>719102619
Because realistically you can't make an open world game unless you restrict yourself to 90s graphics. At that point the labor that a studio can afford is outclassed by the sheer quantity of free labor provided by people whose time has no value.

>>719093275 (OP)
Were you the same guy pushing this new "open more like empty" script with the MGSV screenshot? You never defined "empty" for me. But also just play something else.

Wew

>>719103540
Based and universally agreeable. Sometimes less is more and "yea" says it all.

>>719093275 (OP)
mm-hmm

>>719100647
Typical bullshit from person who never had children or real responsibilities

>>719093275 (OP)
The problem is the empty world, not the open world. The concept is good, devs are just shit at executing it.

>>719116321
ok laquanda

Open World rules and only adhd microvideo watching faggots hate it.
>I don't constanly have an objective where are the minigames I'm going insane

Wow oh no the open world le sucks I cannot stand traveling for a whole ass minute to get to my next "content" piece!

>>719095682
Japan are a lot better at open world games than western studios are.
However, the games i'm referring to (BOTW and Elden especially) would both be better if they were just linear.

>>719099860
The swimming in MM3D was smeared for the right reasons. In the original it was fast and fun they made it slow and useless. Not sure what that has to do with the thread though

>>719117221
I'm rude brutal dude that visited half of the world and survived communism . My middle kiddo gonna made me grandpa. I hate those bullshit monks and their pseudo philosophy, those people cannot even use hummer and nails

>>719100647
based

>>719120240
And now here you are, posting on a video games' forum. Right.

>>719093275 (OP)
Kenshi is good

>>719120317
Yep...it's all ending here