Thread 719095125

>there are Orks on this planet! we gonna wipe the shit out of them
>oh no! it was Chaos all along! we got bamboozled

Every
single
time

>>719095125 (OP)
>Keep firing! we almost finished the xeno scum
>Drive back the Zer-I mean, the Tyranids!
>oh! it was these pesky thorny chaps again.

>>719095125 (OP)
Props to Mechanicus for keeping the Necrons the bad guys for the whole game.

>>719095862
Mechanicus plots are similar.
>Let's explore a planet!
>what is this artifact? we totally mustn't fuck with the artifact
>HOWEVER
>Necrons spawn out of nowhere. thousands of them
>oh no! by the omnissiah!
>Spooky Scary Skeletons.mp3

>>719096060
Ey, at least the game was upfront about the planet being a Tomb World.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying these tropes.

>>719095125 (OP)
They should make one where you start out fighting chaos and right in the middle of the climactic duel Orks and Tyranids bust through the wall and start fighting everyone.

When will we fighting the true enemy. The Eldar and Tau.

>>719096665
WH40K has a fuckton of books. I'm not asking for anything too deep or complex, it's fantasy, but for fucks sake...
I don't know what's going on in DoW IV and I already can tell it will be something like OP plus some hint to another faction that will be introduced in a dlc

>>719096785
Guilliman is pushing for long-term peace agreement and alliance with the Craftworld Eldar.
You WILL get a state-mandated haughty Eldar wife.

>>719096951
I HATE the elves, space, skull fucking, clown variety or otherwise

>>719095862
Chaos shows up the DLC instead as a side enemy

>>719095783
Zerg copied Tyranids you fucking retard. Tyranids copied bugs from Starship Troopers and Aliens from Alien.

>>719095125 (OP)
GW's over reliance on Chaos in every single fucking thing is why 40k is boring. Every faction is interesting except these fucks.

>>719097776
I know Tyranids were first, now go and see the design before and after starcraft

>>719097776
>Every faction is interesting except these fucks.
Chaos would be so much better if they were more than space marines with a few extra bits. Especially slaanesh worshipers but nu-GW will never have the balls to make the EC we deserve.

>>719097776
Any faction that isn't the Imperium or Chaos are boring one-note NPCs.

>>719100826
orks are fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxwx28K93S0

calgar always reminds me of this guy

>>719096060
>HOWEVER
Can you really call yourself a true follower of the Omnissiah if you aren't inappropriately touching every piece of technology cou come across?

>>719097776
Tyranids copied the Arachnids from Starship Troopers.
Then the Zerg copied the Tyranids and also Alien by putting the head fringe on the Hydralisk.
Then the Tyranids copied the Zerg by putting the Hydralisk head fringe on all of their synapse bioforms.

Is there any 40k story where there's some enemy faction on a planet but turns out the real threat is Orks

>>719096951
>>719097116
Harlequins have been already widely tolerated in the Imperium. Even before the Great Rift they were travelling around Imperial worlds and performing plays, with the locals obviously blaming their appearances on the costumes, while the Inquisition issued a strict DO NOT TOUCH order to other government bodies.

>>719102794
The first book of the beast series. The reveal is pretty funny.

>>719103571
That has never been canon.

>>719104625
That has been canon for years, since Dark Heresy was first a thing.

Similarly, due to Craftworlds being unwilling to make Warp jumps, the Imperium knows the exact routes of most of them.

>>719097776
>GW's over reliance on Chaos in every single fucking thing is why 40k is boring. Every faction is interesting except these fucks.
Sorry anon, the Horus Heresy bringing in a bunch of Fujos that consume 40k to see the beefcake muscle men with daddy issues fight each other has turned the setting into Imperium vs Chaos feat xenos, instead of the Imperium vs Tyrranids feat Xenos and Chaos it was before.

>>719100698
This. CSM should be a rare sight on the battlefield. The bulk of Chaos should be the Lost and the Damned. But marines sell so blame the paypiggies for turning it into primarch soap opera.

>>719097776
Yep, Chaos shit is boring as fuck.

>be Imperium
>fight Orks
>Eldar cockblock and fight you from afar
>turns out they're guarding an ancient evil, usually Chaos or Necrons
>whatever they do their efforts are always for naught and Chaos/Necrons appear anyway
>named Space Marine guy somewhat saves the day
>if planet is still intact it rebuilds, if its too corrupted it gets Exterminatus'd
>also there's always an Inquisitor somewhere in the story, perhaps the exposition guy who knew everything already or a plot device guy
Rinse and repeat

Please god someone just let me play AS the Tyranids it's the only faction I like it's the only army I've built irl stop making me play as humans or humanoids.

>>719105596
Buy DoW4 they will make faction DLCs if it sells enough

>>719102616
>xenotech is le heresy except when I use it then it’s based
I don’t get these guys

>>719095125 (OP)
Chaos Xenos need to be utilized more often

>>719105532
There are numerous stories where this is not the case. Gaunt's Ghosts being a prime example - the Eldar actually do pull off their manipulation, but in the process also help the Imperial Guard defeat a force of Chaos with minimal casualties, to the point the Administratum refused to enter the battle report into their archives, deeming them to be a made-up propaganda piece.

>>719105980
No one cares about the IG, 40k is Space Marine country.

>>719097116
They're called aelves, get it right chud

>>719104924
If the Imperium knew the locations of the craftworlds the Eldar would be extinct.

Why haven't they added a race that all look like little anime girls yet?

>>719106453
No, because destroying a craftworld is pretty much never worth the trouble.

>>719106453
No, if only because the Inquisition realizes that the Eldar are enemies of Chaos with vast knowledge on the topic, whilst generally being of absolutely no threat to the Imperium. A few million casualties to their assholish manipulations here or there is less than a spit.

>>719095783
Tyranids predate Shitcraft by like 10 years. Just like everything else by Blizzard it's a ripoff of Warhammer.

>no women
>no minorities
>xenos are killed on sight
When did you realize Chaos was right all along?

>>719095125 (OP)
>>719095783
You can meme on relic for playing it safe, but it's a solid story structure that
1. Takes advantage of the multiple different factions in the setting; and
2. Provides a natural escalation 'dumb' meat wall threat to existential elite threat.
>>719106453
Inspite of stupid codex wank from the 90s about 10 guys and a fork blowing up craftworld "nevaheard'ofya" it would be a literally suicidal deployment of resources to attack a proper craftworld, you also risk getting a fuckload of Eldar showing up and the expedition force getting slaughtered.
>>719096705
Hilariously, this is actually how it's supposed to work, orks are drawn to existing wars.

>>719107201
Chaos has all of those things.

>>719105729
All the Chaos Xenos were wiped out during the Great Crusade.
Most Chaos relics still around today are of xenos origin.

>>719107356
Not on the tabletop

>>719105729
Yeah it should be like WHFB and have at least one xenos race be chaos worshippers like with Skaven and Chorfs. I wish Chaos in general were more than just traitor space marines and include Dark Mech and Traitor Guard.

>>719106453
You'd probably need a full-blown crusade force to destroy one of the major craftworlds and those ressources are almost always better spent elsewhere.

>>719106709
yeah but this is what tyranids looked like before starcraft

>>719107649
VGH...

The setting would be SO much better if they removed humans, eldar and tau and just made it entirely chaos, orks, tyranids, and necron fighting each other endlessly.

>>719107201
>he doesn't know about fabius bile

>>719107649
That's 1st edition. They looked a lot closer to how they look now starting in 2nd.

>>719106709
>>719095783
blizzard went to games workshop and offered to make a bideo gaemu for them and GWS said fuck off
thus starcraft was born

>>719108118
Ackshually that was Warcraft.

>>719107292
>it would be a literally suicidal deployment of resources to attack a proper craftworld
>meanwhile, one hungry brainy snake

>>719097776
>Chaos is boring as fuck
And still more interesting than any of the Xenos.
>Tyranids have no personality and are just bugs to smash
>Orkz are all 1-note 12 year olds who just love smashing stuff
>Eldar have potential but GW hates them and nothing good is ever written
>Tau have potential but GW hates them and nothing good is ever written, except maybe elemental council
>Necrons are just Chaos worshippers for hipsters, constantly sobbing about how they lost their mortality in exchange for power but now with more angst and less pathos. 90% of the reason people care about the faction is Trazyn who is a complete meme.
>Everything else is too small to matter
CSM are the only other faction with history, depth, pathos and some variety in their writing, from raging psychos who love what they do to regretful bastards who know there is no way home. Xenos are a total joke compared to Chaos books, lore, models and power-level faggotry.

>>719105674
the entire theme of the imperium is intense self serving hypocrisy
admech even being part of imperium is hypocrisy since in any other circumstance a cult worshiping a god thats not the emp is kill on sigh turbo-heresy
thats the joke

>>719107201
>gay: the faction
no way fag

>>719108257
Did you miss when I wrote
> In spite of stupid codex wank from the 90s about 10 guys and a fork blowing up Craftworld "nevaheard'ofya"
Or were you so giddy to post that bullshit you didn't bother reading my post.

>>719108232
gws had their chance

>>719108394
No that's Tau and Eldar and depending on who you ask also the Imperium

>>719108257
that was one of the more major tendrils of the nidders and they lost that one, but i won't deny it fucked up the eldar something fierce

desu i want to see the current fleet headed for terra

>>719108298
You realise this is almost entirely down to the fact that the traitor legions essentially have a whole setting (30k) just to themselves, which, despite being the most drawn out melodramatic shit in the universe, sells constantly because actual 40k players buy nothing but Space Marines.

>>719107358
The ones in the image were not wiped out until Eisenhorn found them in 240 M41

>>719108414
>stupid codex wank from the 90s
jokes on you, faggot, that's from the 5th edition codex(2010)

>>719108298
>>Tyranids have no personality and are just bugs to smash
Except for Genestealer Cults, which can and do have endless variety, plus are sexy.

>Orkz are all 1-note 12 year olds who just love smashing stuff
Except the War of the Beast novels and the Ciaphas Cain ones showcase the atrocities they commit upon civilian populations in detail.

Except Blood Axes who are willing to serve as mercenaries under the Imperium, or Ork Pirates who can have motivations other than battle.

>Necrons are just Chaos worshippers for hipsters, constantly sobbing about how they lost their mortality in exchange for power but now with more angst and less pathos. 90% of the reason people care about the faction is Trazyn who is a complete meme.

Somebody didn't read the Trazyn/Orikan novel.

>Everything else is too small to matter
Somebody didn't read the Eisenhorn novels nor their branches, where minor xenos species and/or exotic cults are often the focus.

>>719108257
couldn't someone just throw tyranids into comorragh so we get rid of the sickest and cringiest of them all?

>>719108784
it's an inevitability

>>719107358
Honsou hired a few for his Ultramar party after Ventris wrecked his crib

>>719108784
sorry, but the endless tide of tyranids that will eat everything is inevitable, lmao @ ur galaxy

>oh wow a game showcasing this cool new Xenos 40K faction!
>We gotta rescue our Ethereal huh? I can't wait to learn about the history and origins of the Ta-
>*the end descends into another battle between the Ultramarines and Chaos Space Marines again*

>>719107358
That's complete bullshit, though? There are plenty of Xenos species worshipping some flavour of Chaos in the novels and RPG books.

Plus remember that, prior to the Horus Heresy, "Chaos" came in a wide variety and flavours, very often subtle ones. Even the fucking EMPEROR didn't recognize that Lorgar's original religion was some type of Chaos worship, for instance, even though he spent months on Colchis.

>>719109387
Yeah in the Horus Heresy books there are. In 40k? No not really.

>>719108298
>no personality ;-;
yeah bro we need more heresy era primarchs coming back and making marvel quips

>>719107649
Pretending that the tyranid design is entirely based on starcraft is a bit dishonest
Starcraft obviously had a huge influence on future nid designs but old nids also served as a basis for what zerg look like
The warrior model you posted is one of the biggest leaps from old design to new with zergs being the bridge in the middle but if you look at the old "hunter slayer" models (now known as gaunts) or old genestealers you'll see that their designs have mostly stayed in tact and they clearly served as the inspiration for zergs
It's a give and take situation where both Blizzard and Games Workshop liberally stole from each other

>>719109534
Yes, in 40K also. Take Dark Heresy as an example - one of the planets has native tribes worshipping a "Wind God." The Imperium turns a blind eye to it, since they also worship the Emperor as a supreme "Sun God."

Spoilers - if you dig deep enough when visiting the planet, and do enough research/perform occult shit, the "Wind God" turns out to be a Greater Daemon unaligned to any of the Four Powers.

>>719109534
There are plenty of one and done xenos races in BL books and other material.

People need to realise it's not the case that there are literally no xenos in the galaxy, but the major factions, it's just they're too small to bother bringing up.

>>719109253
>An Eldar game?
>Man I guess we get to see them lose ag-
>PRAISE KHAINE, THE SWARMLORD SHALL BE DEFEATED BY HIS BLOODY HAND, DEATH TO THE INFIDEL MON'KEIGH

>>719109806
I said xenos not feral world primitives.
>>719109843
If it's Black Library it's not even really worth mentioning. There's too many contradictions, one note bullshit and stories that go fucking nowhere.

>>719110330
>I said xenos not feral world primitives.
The Loxatl are pretty cool and make for great non-humanoid xenos. Shame they never made it to the tabletop.

>>719110653
The most hope they have is being added to a specialist game like Blackstone Fortress, like the Zoat was.

All will rot

>>719111325
Nice man. Beautiful highlights.

>>719111826
Not mine I just thought it looked cool.

this might be the only game that goes straight to the point.
it's chaos.
all of the baddies, chaos, that's it, no plot twist, just chaos.

>>719095783
You know it started out as a 40k game but GW wouldn't let then licence it right?

>>719111115
That'd indeed be cool. Honestly, a Kill Team box based on Sabbat Martyr would be the shit.

>>719095125 (OP)
Man, I love the Ultramarines.

>>719111913
Not really, you got Chaos gate, Winter assault and arguably Retribution

>>719107201
>no minorities
My condolences

>>719106453
the Imperium does know the location of several craftworlds, problem is those things are extremely well defended since even if you removed the massive fleet that accompanies them, they are packed full of seld defense systems that will fuck up even the most advanced Imperial ships (which is a massive problem for an empire that can't even produce said ships anymore), in other words the amount of investment needed to actually destroy one is far to costly in the short and long term

>>719108257
>just completely ignores the existence of the warp spiders that live in and guard the infinity circuit
Those things fight demons, and they can't fight off one zoanthrope?

>>719111878
Ah ok. Well then you have great taste!

>>719111996
Nah.
>Blizzard tries to get the righrs for a Warhammer Fantasy game, they make a mock-up of it with Empire and Orcs
>Deal doesn't go through, but the assets are generic enough that Blizzard could retool them to make Warcraft 1
>It's a success and proceeds to Warcraft 2, which branches off quite a bit from Warhammer Fantasy to be its own thing
>At the time, Metzen was one of the big artists and he wanted to do a Sci Fi game
>Starcraft is concieved, with redneck Terrans mixing Alien and small bits of 40k, semi-feral Zerg taking some inspiration from Starship Trooper's bugs, and a typical 'advanced aliens' approach for Protoss
>Starcraft is a smash hit, which GW isn't blind to
>At the time Nids were almost comically goofy looking and due a major makeover, so GW opted to make them more insect-dino like in part due to SC's success
Most Fantasy and Sci Fi titles from around that time were just taking the fairly generic tropes created over the past 100 years and putting a spin on them to gain traction, but it's important to remember in the case of Blizzard and GW that Warcraft very notably predates Starcraft.

>>719107201
>chaos
>no women
>no minorities

>when the Amazon show releases Warhammer will go ultra mainstream even more so than now
>women will pile in in droves like they did with Witcher
>40k will get pressurized to go super woke like any women flooded hobby
>half the new figures will be black and the price of everything will triple
>Pokémon and mtg scalpers will flood in and you’ll never be able to get anything you want ever unless you’re willing to pay 3 or 4 times more.

>>719113217
the older ravener model looked more like a zerg than the post SC refresh

>>719113634
Anon, you're not supposed to bring that up.

>>719113524
>>40k will get pressurized to go super woke like any women flooded hobby
>>half the new figures will be black and the price of everything will triple
Newfag, I got some bad news for you.

>>719113524
You're a few years late, my man.

>>719107960
>>719113634
Why wasn't this brought up last time (Dawn of War IV thread)?

>>719112798
You know you can paint them white right? Literally 99.99% of 40k players paint their guys white.

>>719113830
Because the entire discussion is based on gossip and rumor. Everyone knows the that Blizzard and GW both rip inspirations from whatever they feel like using. Hell Eldar have an entire Aspect Shrine that's just Predator with a chainsaw.

>>719113497
Show me the women and nigger chaos marines then

>>719113634
that model came out in 2001

>>719107201
deamons are 40ks analogue for niggers and EC are literal trannies
orks are the white mans faction

>>719113524
I wonder what will happen as this goes on? Is Blackrock still funding a lot of these companies with goybuxx in 2025 to do the woke shit?

And considering Games Workshop at its heart is something primarily propped up by neckbeards, once they're driven off what then? It's not like GW can sustain themselves forever on the women who'll fuck off once they realize how boring Warhammer is to them. Will they eventually revert back to appealing to neckbeards or will they have moved on into other industries like toys, collectables, videogames etc?
Will other wargaming alternatives get bigger in response?

>>719114102
>>719113217
Doesn't matter. Everything that people associate with Tyranids (Termagants, Genestealers, Hive Tyrants) were done well before Starcraft and were ripped off by Blizzard.

>>719114313
>once they're driven off
You're talking about English. They are the absolute worst of the goyslaves. They are English. I needn't say more.

>>719114229
>EC are literal trannies
Wrong. They're more like Gigachad rapists with 20 inch long dicks that sport eyeballs and teeth

>>719114101
There's no women Chaos Marines yet thankfully. But there are nigger ones now with the new World Eaters range. I'm not sure if other Chaos Space Marine factions have them now. Emperor's Children got a re-release but I haven't looked myself.
There's also nigger and women Chaos Cultists now. Sigmar range has nigger Chaos too unfortunately.

It's pretty.. grim dark...

>>719114313
The only poz proof war game is probably Bolt Action but I could be very wrong about that.

>>719114494
>Christians even cope-whitewash the Emperor's Children and other followers of Slaanesh.

>>719114594
>nigger World Eaters
That's an artistic choice by the GW paint team. There's nothing inherently nigger about the plastic models themselves. I should know as I have an unpainted kit of the ten squad.

>>719113524
Have you guys ener read the story about the kid who cried wolf? You niggers have been saying this shit for 10 years

>>719114358
yeah no shit retard, but you're doubly retarded if you don't also realize that gw clearly ripped from starcraft when they made the 3e nids

>>719095125 (OP)
this picture actually makes me want a shitpost all claymation dawn of war rts

>>719113975
You can paint their skin green if you wish this people don't pay nor paint models, they are secondaries that are here to larp as culture warriors and bitch and complain about everything

>>719114807
No that's an old description of the EC from an old Inquisition novel from the 90s. They used to be all about sex, drugs and rock n' roll and also Hellraiser. Then secondaries came along and memed them into trannies for some sick reason. Now GW has completely removed anything overtly sexual about them so now they're all about "muh perfection" and "muh excess"

>>719114848
>That's an artistic choice by the GW paint team
I wonder why it became so commonplace after they had Vanguard and Blackrock as investors?

>>719114593
It's fine, as an expo race they might actually get aspect warriors instead of 10,000 hard crunch guardian platforms.
>>719113524
Did you fags not say this about female sigmarines in aos
And when SoB were headlining the promos for the latest edition
and when there was a female custodes
and literally for the past 8 years, whenever one of your mask off nazi thought leads found any spec of lore they could whip you up into a frenzy over?
When will warhammer finally be 'ruined' so you can fuck off?

>>719113217
see >>719109727

>>719115472
Bro, people still haven't gotten over the Necron retcon, they'll never get over changes

>>719115282
>Then secondaries came along and memed them into trannies for some sick reason
This is from a book published in 1986 btw

>>719115573
That's from WHFB. We're talking about Emperor's Children.

>>719115557
That's normal legbeard
>I know something about the past, ergo I'm better than you at knowing Warhammer
autism.
I'm talking about the nazi doomseers like arch and his followers.

>>719113116
And also literally every single seer on the entire craftworld. It's beyond retarded but unfortunately retarded lore is the price we have to pay for Jes Goodwin's darlings to stay true to their original design vision in the miniatures space.

We really need a game like BAR with its 32,000 unit cap but for franchises that have hordes like 40k. I wanna blast through tens of thousands of orks

>>719115472
Serious question: Where were you people when 40k became mostly Christofascist bait? It seems like your kind left it and only came back because it is trending to do so.

>>719115942
I don't know if its more retarded than the marines that took out a craftworld by shooting out the glass from inside and venting everyone. Like that's stupid on a number of levels

>>719115472
Eldar already had Aspect Warriors in all DoW games, wtf are you on about? At worst they're just missing Dire Avengers to replace Guardians as battleline infantry higher up the tech tree.

>>719116068
>I don't know if its more retarded than the marines that took out a craftworld by shooting out the glass from inside and venting everyone. Like that's stupid on a number of levels
Let me guess, CS Gotto

>>719116041
go back to sucking dicks on reddit

>>719116041
nice try flipping the script, but the guy saying "we gotta stop woke before the scalpers start coming in" is the obvious tourist

>>719113217
1995 tyranids already had pointy hands and long heads.
SC1 was released in 1998.

>>719116262
No its from a 2014 codex, its the Invaders against Idharae. It's how they ended up explaining how a single space marine chapter took out a craftworld
>The Legion of the Damned come to the aid of the Invaders Chapter as they wage a devastating attack upon Craftworld Idharae. When their flaming bolts do little harm to the raging Avatar at the heart of the battle, the Legion instead blows out the great dome under which they fight. They vanish once more as the Eldar defenders and the single surviving member of the Invaders force left fighting there are blasted out into the void. Idharae is left as a ruined and desolate hulk.

>>719116305
>>719116429
Your story, with me embellishing to HELP YOU is:
>40k is created as entirely leftist satire
>It becomes bait for Christofascists due to *explicitly mandated* lack of care
>...?
>Gatekeeping is bad and you should let 40k be leftist
You are missing the part where you completely abandoned the property and gave it to your enemies.

>>719116236
Dow II eldar have exactly one aspect warrior and three guardian platforms because THQ forced relic to put DoW II out 12 months before the agreed launch date

>>719117119
Sauce? I've been fucking LIVID at its horrid ending and overall terrible campaign.
Seriously you can fight like over FIVE HIVE TYRANTS before the one that is the apparent end of the fucking game.

>>719116068
>>719116262
>>719116549
It should be noted; Idharae had already been severely weakened following a major conflict with a Tyranid Hive Fleet. The Invaders only manage to pull off their attack because the Craftworld was already neaely dead.
In response, Alaitoc proceeded to obliterate the Invaders' home world, reducing their full chapter strength to below 300 Marines and rendering them a Fleet based chapter.

>>719114313
The same thing that has happened to video games and Hollywood, all these decades old companies will be destroyed and (((they))) won’t care since they’re getting billions from America for free and using it to buy these companies for Pennie’s or just start a new one.

>>719114965
>bro it’s 2010 video games will never go ultra woke you’re just crying wolf
>now: Nikki Minaj twerking in call of duty with the teenage mutant ninja turtles

Reminder that anything that ever happens even if it was terminator bots raping your mother, there will always be dumb fucks that will say it’s perfectly fine and you should accept it.
Vidya will get worse and worse cuz dumb cucks will support any bad practices devs do.

>>719117805
That's not woke. Anything that appeals to heterosexual males is not woke. Woke would be some shoehorned story about trannies or gurlpower

>>719114594
In one of the promo shots there's an nigger marine but he's doing a cool ass pose so he's alright
God I wish flawless blades were good on the tabletop, they're so cool and stupid and I love em

>>719118029
I imagine Flawless blades will be good at some point in 11th what with the constant points change and errata. Everything becomes meta at some point.

>>719118113
So apparently slanesh was born because their race was too busy relishing in pleasures.

So any lore kings wanna tell me, are their women just giant cum addicted sluts or?

>>719118185
There's a balance change soon, so hopefully instead of ANOTHER points decrease they get +1 attacks or +1 damage
Hell I'd take both if it means they go up some points, I just want to be able to 1 shot elite SM units, termies, or actually kill a vehicle with their ability
I'll gladly field 18 of them, I love those bastards so much helps that 12 of them are recasted possessed + ec kitbashes to save money

>>719118337
No they're all frigid whores unironically.

>>719113524
Based, I hope it crashes and burns with no survivors

>>719098135
2nd edition nids were not all that different

>>719118337
Craftworld Eldar are terrified of giving in to their emotions, they're basically Vulkans from Star Trek but with a Japanese aesthetic and bullshit technology.

Drukhari (Dark Eldar) do everything possible to numb the pain so they're murderfucking while high on 7 different kinds of cocaine.

Exodites are your fantasy elves that just live life and are largely well-adjusted and could actually get along with the Imperium if the Imperium could cool its jets.

Undivided is where it's at

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Are the Ultramarines the first ever xenoheretic legion? Oh sorry, "chapter" (death to Guilliman and all codex cuckolds).

>>719118974
TRVTH NVKE

>>719116662
Post models

>>719118923
>they could be terminators, titans, mechas higher than castles
>they choose to be limp wimps that get blown by a punch.

>>719118113
>Lmao just the the humans
The likely outcomes to trying this are
>Humans insult you and tell you to fuck off
>Humans ignore the warnings and kill you because MUH XENOS
>Humans ignore the warnings and kill you because they were secretly Chaos worshippers
>Humans ignore the warnings and kill you because they think they can steal weapons/tech/treasure and escape before things get bad
>>719118337
No, Craftworlders were separate from the Eldar Empire. They still have brothels and pleasure clubs though.

>>719119474
What are you on about? The Collegia Titanica, which houses the Titan Legions is a subfaction of the AdMech. The Skitarii are just the infantry.

>>719119474
Titans are AdMech tho. Skitarii are the infantry.

>>719113975
That is kind of asking a lot to assume that there is 10,000 40k players that actually paint their armies.

>>719119579
>Craftworlders
>brothels and pleasure clubs
I'm not an Eldarfag but do they really? I thought they abstained from any and all pleasure.

>>719119667
>>719119737
the point is that they are fucking weak. Space marines are also infantry.
how many skitarii do you need for a Marine?

>>719095783
>Drive back the Zer-I mean, the Tyranids!
Imagine being this retarded, and actually feeling smart.

>>719119850
You might as well fucking ask why do Guard exist when there are space marines then. They don't have the resources to make a trillion titans for everyone to pilot.

>>719119820
Yep, according to the Path of the Eldar book.
Slaanesh only starts to notice if they go full crazy and start stabbing each other to make new holes to fuck. Eldar are still entirely capable of casual sex and affection without getting grabbed.

>>719095125 (OP)
Thin your paints

>>719119852
>ackschually
>>719120014
Adeptus replace their human parts with mechanical ones right?
then why the fuck do they change their bodies to become weak toasters?

Post 40k game ideas you want

>Tau mech game

>>719110653
Would.

>>719119850
Skitarii are not weak, though. They are many times more resilient than regular humans and they are basically connected by wifi to eachother, so they are kind of like a hive mind. And their weapons are by far the best shit any Imperial faction has access to.

If your point of comparison is literal demigod warriors made by a god to protect his empire, then sure, most everything will seem weak.

>>719120294
Eternal Crusade except good

>>719120456
>Sniper Elite where you play as the good guys
lol. lmao. keep dreaming, goy.
The Dark Souls invasion mode doesn't count.

>>719117690
Yeah what they did with the Invaders and Idharae is funny because they first just had it as a blurb, that a single chapter of marines destroyed a craftworld. Then they established later that Idharae was weakened by the Tyranids, and then they established they got help from the Legion of the Damned, and they still needed to pull a suicide attack. And then Idharae got revenge. Several later authors realizing they'd fucked up with the original lore

>>719105674
you just showed by your greentext that you do get them on a profound metaphysical level as well as at an exact grammatical level.

Carnifex pussy.

>>719114593
>dawn of war 3's hero eldar unit was jain zar
I will gladly pay for Lykhis in the Eldar DLC

>>719118974
the grey knights were consorting with xenos years before the ultramarines were

>>719119820
I think most non-Eldarfags don't realize that not every Craftworlder is a seer or Aspect Warrior, who is a warrior monk that has honed their minds and bodies over centuries of rigorous training, much like a Space Marine, and that Craftworlds are still full of normalfag spess elves who end up as Guardians in times of crisis.

>>719120951
Hung Femboy Neurolictor Horsecock.

>>719095125 (OP)
I mean, Tyranids and Chaos are the only threat that really feel like a threat, you know. Maybe Necron as well but they are almost too humanized nowadays (And oldcrons were just robot Tyranids).

>>719107201
>No women
Emperor's children disagree.

>No minorities
Mutants are allowed.

>Xenos are killed on sight
Compared to, what, rogue traders?

>>719120980
They're not going to include named characters like in 3. Each faction is only getting 3-4 Commander units, which for Eldar will certainly be
>Autarch
>Farseer
>Spiritseer

>>719114313
In a few years all right wingers will be mass executed and nobody will ever talk about blackrock against since it's not relevant unless you are a sociopathic subhuman.

>>719121685
did you tiped that shit with your nose?

>>719122653
Did you TYPE that shit with your ass?

Whatever, I'm sure this is just normal for a subhuman like you. You understand english the same way a dog understands english.

>>719121629
>Emperor's children disagree.
Take your sick tranny fetish fantasy to AoS. Emperor's Children are all men and they present themselves as such

>>719122943
>Emperor's Children are all men and they present themselves as such
Could have fooled me. They all wear high heels and the fanbase all love to flck to the faction for validation. GW even had to adress the T community identifying with slaanesh by nearly killing the god.

>>719122923
don't correct me, I don't care about your language, faggot.

My major complaint about most 40k games is that they are always Space Marines with Orks, chaos, and a 4th faction. A lot of the games boil down to only a handful of factions when there are tons of races that you should be able to play. Releasing DOW4 with only 4 armies is absolutely fucking criminal.

>>719123151
>I don't care about human language.
Yes.

>>719123665
Space marines will always be there. Orks are just antagonist shaped. Chaos meanwhile is just space marines but evil.

>>719123665
>Releasing DOW4 with only 4 armies is absolutely fucking criminal.
Anon, that has been a staple of that series since his inception

>Space Marines
>Orks
>Chaos
>Eldar
What, you need more?

>>719120294
Exodite harvest moon game.
Hell, with honest-to-god dragons, it's barely different from Rune Factory.

>>719097452
The side enemy was a Xenarite Heretek though wasn't he?
Xenarites are all about alien tech, not chaos.

>>719123665
>DoW
SM, Orks, Eldar, Chaos, IG NPCs
>DoW WA
+IG, Necrons NPCs
>DoW DC
+Necrons
+Tau
>DoW SS
+SoB
+DEldar

>DoWII
SM, Orks, Eldar, Nids, IG NPCs
>DoWII CR
+Chaos
>DoWII Retribution
+IG

>DoWIII
SM, Orks, Eldar, IG NPCs, Chaos NPCs, Necrons teased as DLC faction

>DoWIV
SM, Orks, Necrons, Admech, IG NPC faction

>>719123979
>Exodite harvest moon game
Fuck, I would love that.

Not as much as I would love to see exodites become a faction, but still.

>>719121685
>the world's biggest hedgefund merged with the fed
>not relevant
Don't you have kids to be molesting and drone striking, rabbi?

>>719123928
I wanna kill Guard: Loyal, Traitor and Genestealer. I wanna kill nids, and T'au and Necron and Dark Eldar and votaan.

Gimme Mechanicus fighting the Votaan, make me spec into the Kult of Speed.

Blood for the Blood God, Skulls for the Skull Throne

>>719124501
>the world's biggest
It's not.

>merged with the fed
It's not.

>Don't you have kids to be molesting and drone striking, rabbi?
Three strikes, and you are out, subhuman.

You belong in a mass grave, and have no place in human society.

>>719123928
Replace Eldar with Necrons.

>>719124662
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>>719095783
xD

>>719124662
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci-DnZf1bhI

>>719095125 (OP)
>setting based around all these cool, violent factions fighting
>uh, the protags (humans) basically only fight other humans
What garbage.

>>719124662
Did ChatGPT tell you that, kike?

The only mass graves you'll be digging are your own given the direction of things.

>>719124689
eldar exist to showcase how bad chaos is

>>719125196
That stopped being the case ages ago. The only value Eldar have is to die as comic relief.

>>719116041
40K switched space marines from space cops to religious zealots with churches and religious undertones in like 91. But even back when they were space cops there were still strong religious undertones. Are you sure you play 40k?

>>719125379
>religious zealots with churches
Marines specifically aren't religious outside of Black Templars.

>>719116305
>>719116429
>>719125379
Struck a nerve. Critical damage, even.

>>719124715
>>719124796
>>719124989
You belong in a mass grave, and have no place in human society.

>The only mass graves you'll be digging are your own given the direction of things.
Berlin burned, your women were raped, your children converted. This was called justice.

They were correct, and it will happen again. It is inevtiable.

>>719103571
Could you lore-dump a little more about these cunts? One was in he Rogue Trader game being all Reddit and memey, but what's their angle? Just le wacky chaotic neutral faction?

>>719114631
It's the exact opposite. Historicals are poz-proof for being historical, but bolt action has always leaned more on hollywood elements. Konflikt 47, their scifi expansion to the game, is removing the nazis. Make of that what you will.

>>719125617
Ironically they actually hover somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic good. At least for the Eldar society.

Generally though, they are basically adherents to the laughing god(One of the few eldar gods that are still around) who travel around putting on very fucked up plays describing various events in Eldar history. They are both less and more reasonable than normal Eldar even if they act like weird fucked up clown people even on a good day, since they are VERY anti chaos and probably more sensible about it than the Grey Knights.

>>719125816
Historical are poz proof because nobody is under any delusion that your models are only being used for any game. You would know this is you were actualy into wargaming.

>>719121210
To be fair, Craftworld Eldar are on a Path of somesort where they're hyperautistic monks about whatever they're doing, and will be an Aspect Warrior at some point during their life as they move from path to path. It's only the Exarchs who're stuck on their respective paths who're going to spend their entire remaining lives training and devoted solely to warfare.

>>719125927
>that your models are only being used for any game
esl melty

>>719105729
and there's been thousands of years of the imperium having incomplete control

>>719126047
Again, if you actually played wargames you would understand perfectly well what I mean.

If a system is woke, you just switch. Bought a army for Blood and Plunder? Don't like the fact that... uh, they have women as units? Switch to another system.

>>719118113
If all Eldar were this direct they'd be in less conflict with the Imperium even if they're naturally obstinate, xenophobic and even flat out unreasonable.

Space Marines and Inquisitors would lend an ear at the bare minimum even if they intend to pursue their own objectives.

>>719125617
Harlequins are Eldar Gestapo. They're warrior-poet-historians who travel around fighting daemons and delivering cryptic messages, typically to other Eldar, and almost always in the form of dance and stage performances.
Whereas Eldar messages are weird for humans, Harlequin messages are weird for Eldar. Craftworlders are wary of them and Dark Eldar are terrified of the fuckers, because a Troupe showing up is almost always a bad sign that shit is going to hit the fan from left field. Their weapons are esoteric even by Eldar standards and they know the Webway inside and out.
They're also infamous for being the hardest army to properly paint on the tabletop by a country mile.

>>719126297
Problem is that reasonable Space marines and inquisitors are also pretty rare. Though, even then, they are amusingly still far more likely to listen than most of the Imperium. Though granted even that varies pretty widely between individuals, not helped by the entire Imperium being a decentralized mess with a bloated bureaucracy.

>>719126326
>They're also infamous for being the hardest army to properly paint on the tabletop by a country mile.
Eh... mostly the default color scheme. The likes of Genestealer cult and Admech are usually held up as the worst nowadays. Mostly for being horde armies with very highly detailed models and not many options for tank spam like IG or Orks.

>>719126545
Default is what I meant by "properly", GSC and AdMech have a lot more bits and bobs but freehand diamonds make Harlies their own leagues.
And if you want to be 'lore accurate' you have to pull shit like this.

>>719102530
>Based chad soldier was the bad guy
>Gay looking dogs where the good guys

>>719126476
Even the unreasonable ones would lend an ear if the eldar weren't completely perfidious
>Hey, our craftworld will be pathing by X planet in 8 of your months. Problem is that a chaos warband will be invading there at that time and that puts us at risk. Buuuuuut there's going to be a growing ork threat at planet Y you control in the path of that warband which will neuter both at the cost of controlling that planet
>no we cannot go anywhere else, they're all worse
>no, you can't just evacuate the whole planet or else the orks will never have enough conflict to groom a warboss
>the objective best outcome for us is to sabotage planet Y so the orks can stopgap the warband but we are open to suggestions

>>719126732
>Default is what I meant by "properly"
Fair. I tend to just go by "Not looking like ass".

Though I THINK some of the alternate official schemes are less crazy. I would probably just paint them like BTAS Harley Quinn.

>>719126979
Eldar do go out of their way to make things worse for themselves. The only game I can remember where the Eldar betraying the Imperium felt halfway justified was Winter Assault, if only because they waited until the very end.

Honestly, I kind of prefer the relationship the High Elves in fantasy have with the Empire/Bretonnia to the Eldar. I get that 40K is supposed to be more grimdark but sometimes it gets kind of silly.

>>719119850
>mars pattern mark X armor
>ryza pattern chainsword
>mars pattern bolt pistol

admech has its attention divided since guard and marine babs can't even dress themselves
before they needed to carry the entire imperium on their back the mechanicum did have skitarii augmented to the level of a space marine

>>719118337
The ones who were too busy relishing on pleasure were the eldar on the home worlds rather than the craftworlds, and the surviving home world eldar who managed to escape the birth of Slaanesh became the dark eldar, who just kept doing what they were doing before because they found it staved off Slaanesh from gnawing away their souls.
We all know what horrible masochistic shit the dark eldar are into today of course, so it would have been pretty much the same before the fall (especially when you consider that Slaanesh is also pretty big into inflicting pain on others as a form of pleasure).
So it's less that they were giant cum addicted sluts and more that they were turbo ultra masochists who couldn't cum unless they were subjecting someone to the worst possible pain.

>>719127125
The Exodites in 40k are basically WHFB High Elves, but the humans in the setting are stupid and act more like the Skaven rather than the Empire/Bretonnia.

DAoT humans were on par technology wise and knew of the Eldar.

They ruined the Votann as well, turning them into Deep Rock Galactic AI clones instead of traditional squats who were basically Warhammer dwarves with human buttbuddies.

>>719126979
>>719127125
Eldar have tried being diplomatic in the past and occasionally still try to be.
Usually it ends with their diplomats being killed for one reason or another while their warnings are ignored.

>>719127890
>Eldar have tried being diplomatic in the past
After they were already perfidious, yes. You break trust once and that's it, there is no ability to trust you for a long damn time, even more so when every other instance you show you you're directly scheming.

>>719127981
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Assyri

>>719127842
>They ruined the Votann as well, turning them into Deep Rock Galactic AI clones instead of traditional squats who were basically Warhammer dwarves with human buttbuddies.
I honestly don't know enough about new Votann lore.

I tended to assume they were a Imperium faction but apparently they aren't since they are listed as Xeno.

>>719127890
Well, like I said, everybody is pretty unreasonable.

Though it is kind of impressive that would happen to the faction that can see the future.

>>719128031
They're more aligned with the Tau than the Imperium.

>>719127890
Humans have no reason to trust a xenos' warning, especially based on shit like visions and prophecies. Big E made the Imperium xenophobic and genocidal in the first place because he saw during the Age of Strife that the average ayy is more likely to backstab humanity than help it in times of trouble, so it's better to err on the side of caution.
Let's also not forget that visions and prophecies are not always accurately interpreted or reliable.

Usually I dont like elves, but the dark eldar are funny

>>719128078
Weird.

I mean, the Eldar being somewhat close to the Tau makes sense to me. Votann seems weird though.

>>719128181
>Big E made the Imperium xenophobic and genocidal in the first place because he saw during the Age of Strife that the average ayy is more likely to backstab humanity than help it in times of trouble, so it's better to err on the side of caution.
Xenos didn't backstab humanity, they waged wars of reclamation. DAOT were bloody rampant conquerors who took whatever they wanted and either killed or pushed out anyone who got in their way just to acquire more land an resources. They weren't happy peaceful explorers in a pleasant federation, they were only a few hundred years away from the Eldar sending them back to the stone age.
When the Age of Strife happened most of those xenos attacked to take back what they had lost, with less than a handful becoming anything more than minor societies in a single system. Even THEN there were times where xenos were diplomatic and helpful to humans, INCLUDING THE ELDAR, and the Emperor still attacked and purged them just to make a point.

>>719095125 (OP)
Space Marine 3 is gonna open with Chaos and have them get run over by the Necrons for a change of pace

>>719128843
Would be cool.

Really, only issue is I'm not sure how fun of a antagonist Necron would be as a opponent in a shooter game. Orks, Tyranids, and Chaos are obviously fun. Necrons? Eh...

>>719125261
>Here is a space elf monk bladelord super wizard who has studied the psychic magicblade for 50,000 years, they are literally prescient and can actually teleport behind you (nothin personell) at will, who has overseen ten thousand massive wars without so much as a scratch
>oh lol oops a dumb just conscrpited mon'keigh guardsman incorrectly entered targeting numbers into the artillery salvo and obliterated their position in a comedic blurb
They really are inherently comedic

>>719129027
Can't have anyone showing up the Imperium.

>>719129027
>>719129417
The reality that nobody likes to admit is that this applies equally to space marines, too. A single space marine represents the culmination of centuries of training and experience, a laundry list of genetic and cybernetic modifications, some of which are literally irreplaceable, and top of the line equipment, only to get deployed into a meatgrinder and greased by a lucky slugga shot of an ork who was literally born yesterday.

>>719130703
People make jokes about Marines as well too.
The problem with it for Eldar is that Marines will often be shown doing amazing stuff and winning battles as big heroes, while Eldar are mostly portrayed as losers and overly arrogant pricks who get their teeth kicked in.
When it happens to Marines in lore it's a momentous and shocking thing. When it happens to Eldar it's wholly expected. It's gotten to the point that it's only surprising when Eldar DON'T get their shit kicked in.

>>719105596
Go play dow1 with mods. Or dow2

>>719128657
Votann use/are led by AI and would only worship the Emperor if said AI told them to.

>>719132668
Just like the AdMech, lmao

>>719132821
There's a brain/finger still inside their Tech Priests so it doesn't count.

>>719132976
Anon, the Omnissiah is a fucking xenos AI. They worship the Void Dragon

>>719133025
>Anon, the Omnissiah is a fucking xenos AI
Shoot this fucking heretic

>>719105674
>why are humans flawed and hypocritical
idk

>>719126765
if you remember in the movie, as far as the toy line was concerned the soldiers *WERE* the good guys, they just repurposed the weird aliens as the enemies the soldiers were supposed to defeat as they figured they wouldn't stand alone as their own toy line.

the issue just came from the supposed military chip that turned the advanced toys into more or less tiny weapons, the only reason the weird aliens were not also evil was because they were not specifically programed outside of their original toy line concept, had they been they would have been just as bad as the soldiers.

aside from the above Small Soldiers isn't too far different than just a retelling of Gremlins if you think about it.

>>719107201
>no women
chaos muhreens induct females into their ranks all the time, they just don't get the same respect as a real marine for the same reason literally nobody/nothing does: even chaos marines are still human supremacists (more accurately: marine supremacists)
>no minorities
not only is every muhreen a unique individual in how fucked up and mutated they are, a lot of them are so fucked up you have no clue what they originally looked like
how in the hell am i meant to tell what the ancestor race of a plague marine or TS is, one is made of rotting, non-human meat and the other is literal dust
>xenos are killed on sight
lol, half of them basically are xenos at this point
marines in general are arguably not human but chaos marines are not only definitely not human, but actively seek to destroy humans as a species while serving xeno masters (daemons) as slaves, whether they admit it or not

>but warhammer copied other settings!
People dont remember warhammer was an open system at first that you could use for any setting. They had rules for generic units so you could use what you wanted. Then, years later, men in funny hats bilought stock and scraped 30+ years of story so they could copyright AELVES or whatever the fuck so you cant play pretend how you'd like.

>>719112660
>new character gets shilled with his own book and mini
>it's a fucking diversity marine
Why is nuHammer like this?

Why can't the orks be taken seriously fucking once? They've just become a flanderized version of themselves by this point. They are literally the sword of Damocles for the setting and are genuinely terrifying.

>>719095783
I don't care that this is bait
you are retarded and starcraft started as a warhammer 40k project until games workshop cancelled the liscence
I want to kill you for being this wrong

>>719134584
>so you cant play pretend how you'd like.
you can if your friends aren't fags about it

>>719113217
Uh huh, nice cope,
Meanwhile this is what nidders actually looked like in 1995

>>719105729
Xenos in general other than Orks need to be utilized more often.

>>719095783
kek

>>719130703
there's just to many space marines now
i get the idea that people are supposed to make their dudes
but with how many stories are about successor chapters and how often SMs are over powered it makes you wonder how there are even xenos and chaos left in the universe

>>719105729
chaos is general is pretty under utilized
its kind of crazy only in the last year Emperor's Children got their own army and how World Eaters and Thousand Sons (if you discount gors like everyone should) have half an army

i think of them as the eventual enemy rather than the main enemy because its pretty clear chaos as a stand alone threat has been on the backside of GW's mind for most of 40k's life
even Daemons were just a way for them to let players use the same army from fantasy into 40k

So, the spacebugs are gonna win, right?

>>719139526
This was their big edition and all they did waa fall on their collective face.

>>719137790
so less like zerg than the post-starcraft models

>>719139526
no because
A. everything remains stagnant so they can sell shit forever
2. imperium losing will make space marine paypiggies sad

>>719127981
thing is, every craftworld is its own nation, and deal with one craftworld won't apply to another. that poses a problem since the imperium often cant tell the difference

>>719129027
Why do some act like the Imperium are the only faction with artillery, it actually confuses me? Is it just secondaries?

>>719135386
there was an entire novel series where orks were taken seriously and people didnt like it

>>719140104
To be fair, the Imperial is barely better. Your average Space Marine is basically only limited in their freedom by the degree to which they would have to explain themselves if they shot a nosy inquisitor.

>>719140174
Because the Imperium, gameplay wise, actually IS the only faction with artillery. Like, other factions have... some. But plenty also do not. I'm not 100% sure if that includes the Eldar.

>>719140258
One of the recent campaign books had the Eldar warning an Inquisitor (this dude lol) about Abaddon and Vashtorr's plan, and it worked out fine for both sides

>>719139637
More like zerg stole the head crests and the scythe claws most tyranid models had back then.
Then you have stuff like mutalisks which draw an amorphous blob around the exact pose of a 1995 gargoyle model so gw can't sue.

>>719140352
Which Eldar? I know Ulthran is almost on speaking terms with a lot of the Imperium. There's also the whole Guiliman thing.

>>719108510
Won't be until whatever comes out of the ork/nid fight needs calling up to sell models.

>>719140320
The Eldar do have artillery, both an artillery tank, the Nightspinner, and their support weapon platforms, which has their equivalent to the Guard's mortar.

The faction that weirdly doesn't have artillery even though they logically should is the Tau

>>719140504
I don't think it was specified which Eldar it was. Guilliman and Eldrad have frequent contact which apparently somehow goes back to the Great Crusade. He has a farseer representative of Eldrad's on his ship, who bailed his ass out of getting killed by the Silent King

>>719140174
Because most other factions have nowhere near the amount of heavy artillery that the imperium does. All of them have some but a lot of it is light, mobile stuff, or some kind of looted version that can simply never be massed in the sheer numbers the imperium can put out.

>>719140656
>The Eldar do have artillery,
Fair enough. Kind of figured they would considering they have a pretty big range of models but I also don't know it well enough to say for sure.

Artillery in general is just in a weird place. Indirect fire has been consistently busted in every edition to the point that they basically nerfed it and every unit into the grounds. It's a unit that frankly makes more sense in a game like Epic/Legion Imperialis than 40K, and really highlights how weird of a place the game is size wise. Also how removing blast templates was probably a mistake.

>The faction that weirdly doesn't have artillery even though they logically should is the Tau
Tau, as a range, are in such a weird spot. It's certainly not poorly supported, but it's not exactly COMPLETE either. Though, with that said, I remember Tau guns having pretty crazy ranges on average.

>>719140838
I get that, but it's funny seeing players act like other factions are entirely a melee army or something, that they don't have tanks and flyers and what not. Speaking of flyers, I wish GW would take them out of the nerf shed

>>719140656
They have missile skimmers and heavy battlesuits like the broadside. Their primary doctrine is mobility so it makes sense they don't give a damn about stationary howitzers in favor of air support and mobile, direct fire platforms that can better confirm kills.

Where can I find 3D models of minis to print for free

>>719140359
except new tyranid head crests look more like zerg that the old ones. raveners are the dead giveaway since they didn't even exist until after hydralisks

>>719121636
>Spiritseer
Man, I want to see some wraiths in action, DOW2 and even 3 made them so cool

>>719141202
Wraith spawn is what I would do with Eldar if I ever made a army. Love the cone heads.

Playing Battlesector and
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH
Looking forward to Black Legion being added soon

>>719141256
based

>>719141125
>except new tyranid head crests look more like zerg that the old ones
what part of "this is a 1995 design" don't you understand.
They just gave it to everything.

Raveners ARE ripped off from hydralisks but that's them counter-stealing from blizzard after they already stole most their units in one way or another. The main units nidders are known for are already in this pic >>719137790

>>719141001
>the flying croissants probably wont be in dow4
feels bad

>>719141359
Not sure if I would do it in the style of Iyanden though. Yellow is a... difficult color.

>>719140174
That would get in the way of their mudcore girlbossing. Wiping out a massive horde of guard by flinging a big psychic nonsense at it or drowning them in hordes of demons just doesn't exist in their head. You only have elite wasteful things, they only have perfectly cheap and efficient things, it's the only way they can compute it.

>>719141001
Flyers are basically a leftover from when 40K was trying to also be Epic. They kind of sort off don't really belong in a game of this scale.

>>719095125 (OP)
I love Mornos Colgor

>>719141391
>that's them counter-stealing from blizzard after they already stole most their units in one way or another
Yes that's what I've been saying this entire time, thank you.

>>719141662
What I find funny is them making fun of the Tau for being a gunline army when the IG are also primarily a gunline army. Like are these IG players legitimately playing melee guard lists

What units are you looking forward to in DOW4? I want to see this big fat fuck in action

>>719141001
flyers just really don't belong in a skirmish game about a few dozen infantry scattered around the map
a single platoon of dudes shouldn't have an attack helicopter at their beck and call for a whole match, at most they could call in airstrikes as a blast table but that shit would be OP as fuck

>>719141895
Aggressors.

I want to go heavy on flamethrowers so I can roleplay as Salamanders.

>>719141949
They basically tried to turn 40K into epic around fifth edition only to back away hard after a while. Flyers are a obvious example of that.

>>719127842
>uhmmm we should just make them all fantasy race but in SPACEEEE

>>719141895
The Sydonian Skatros better be in

>>719141778
Huh didn't know you were also bringing attention to the fact that blizzard stole most nid units. Point is it was never "we're fighting the zerg- i mean tyrannids" it was always the terrans going "we're fighting the tyranni- i mean the zerg"
Nidders were always first, most zerg units are direct ripoffs of nid units. If they went overboard with the alien queen crest (that they ALREADY DID FIRST) due to hivemind alien race trends in popular media it's still irrelevant.

>>719128031
Votann leagues is an independent faction based in the core region of the galaxy (with harsh environment only the orks would also enjoy staying there)
There are many sub factions, one of them is trading with the Tau, others also doing business with the imperium,
most of imperium barely consider them abhuman, very closed to xeno. They mostly keep it to themselves as many of their techs could be considered 100% heretic in the eyes of Imperium, like the Votann core computer and many robots they uses are AI

>>719095783
The entirety of starcraft is a ripoff of 40k
Blizzard were even going to add orks to starcraft before they scrapped them to avoid a lawsuit. This scene is replaced with terrans just fighting zerg in reforged btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19avS9zSRRY
10:21
It was meant to be a big reveal.

>>719142089
>Huh didn't know you were also bringing attention to the fact that blizzard stole most nid units
you should read threads before replying, then

>>719142306
Should be noted that the Votann are the supercomputers that store their memories and guide them, and also are the ones who create new dwarves, called kin. They also create the ironkin, who are treated as equals by the fleshy kin. So that'd be like triply heretical in terms of AI for the Imperium

The ironkin are the coolest part of the leagues honestly, I like the idea of space robot dwarves

>>719097776
>Zerg copied Tyranids
The zerg look almost nothing like the nids as they were in the time starcraft was being developed or released
Modern tyranids started to take shape after the zerg utterly mogged the nids as a design and are 100% zerg ripoffs

>>719142451
Whoever they hired that keeps sculpting models in symmetrical poses needs to be fired or at least told off. No one likes that shit.

>>719128884
Necron lords have their own personalities
So you can have whatever characters you want

>>719142563
>The zerg look almost nothing like the nids as they were in the time starcraft was being developed or released
That's a cope by people who don't know 2nd edition nids exist.

>>719100698
It's strange how they don't go harder on cults and lost and dammed. Csm should be leaders and champions of chaos. Only when black crusade happens you see armies of csm.

>>719107201
>>no minorities
The original Thousand Sons all came from the Middle East. Ahriman is literally described as being Persian.

>>719129027
>>719129417
>>719130703
It's not a new concept nor relegated only to Xenos. In both the Ciaphas Cain and Gaunt's Ghosts novels it's pointed out multiple times that sure, 30 Guardsmen shooting their lasguns towards a Chaos Space Marine seems stupid, until you realise that one of those WILL get a lucky shot in the visor or other minor flaw and take the bastard down.

>>719125617
>>719125854
>>719126326
To add a bit more, they're also the Eldar faction who explicitly doesn't give a shit about race - as long as you fight Chaos/Necron/Tyrannid, you're good in their eyes.

Hence why they very often aid the Imperium and the Inquisition, either directly or indirectly.

The were was one case where a Harlequin Troupe arrived on an Imperial world and started performing plays while making a VERY big spectacle of them precisely because they wanted to draw the attention of Imperial authorities. When the Inquisition and their retinues arrived, they discovered the planet's nobility was thoroughly corrupted by Chaos, and proceeded to do a purge.

Of course the clown elves were long gone by then.

>>719142451
The Ironkin are the only part I find interesting about the Votann. Not sure what it is, but they seem like the most consistent part

am playing winter assault, holy shit eldar and orkz suck ass
ig mission 2 and 4 are bugged somewhat; can't build on the field command on mission 2 and in mission 4 the chaos and orkz enemies spawn non-stop
but fuck eldar are pathetic outside of their lategame units
guardians suck
rangers suck
dark reapers are their first serviceable unit
warp spiders are strong
fire dragons are also strong but have shit range
every vehicle sucks ass until the fire prism

>>719105596
Nooo you have to have a small earth boy protagonist in this cartoon about giant transforming robots otherwise who are you supposed to root for?

>>719095125 (OP)
>here's your franchise for white males
>oh wait! now everyone is black, brown, chink or women

Every
single
time

>>719107649
Gets even weirderl. This is the Protonid, before even Rogue Trader, like maybe 86 or so. Apparently there were supposed to be kinda reptile like, but this actually looks a lot like a gaunt to me.

The AdMech better have Datasmiths and their Kastelan brobots

>>719108659
Orks commit atrocities?

>>719146136
>40k is especially for whote men because I said so
>no female characters or black characters ever existed nooo stop disproving my mentally ill incel fantasies
Fucking culture war tourist, into the woodchipper with you, feet first

>>719146626
Yes, constantly for the sheer sake of it
The imperial population on a conquered planet is enslaved and then subjected to brutal tortures from their new ork overlords because orks are oversized chimpanzees and gretchin are just as spiteful as regular gobbos.

>>719105729
Lots of minor xenos species in general far more interesting than the usual orks/eldar/necrons

>>719146626
>>719146926
There was also the case when they used drugs to essentially lobotomise the entire population of a planet, and then proceeded to turn them into actual cattle bred for meat.

Out of the way, you green fucking shits. I'm migrating here.

When are they going to make 3D printers and evil faction?

>>719146136
I hate /pol/tarded tourists. The first really popular novel series was the Eisenhorn Trilogy, where the main characters included a black guy and his female daughter.

>>719146843
Nobody gives a shit you butthurt faggot.

>>719147397
In the first Gaunt novel. Sorta kinda.

>>719146926
In SM1 there is also a dataslate where some medics in a hospital euthenize patients because they cant be evacuated and the orks are getting closer and shits better than getting orked.

>>719147439
>female daughter

>>719146626
Yes, what the fuck did you think happens when they invade a planet?

>>719125601
You will pay for your crimes and Americans will punish you.

>>719147606
I just didnt imagine them relishing killing weak civvies or even wasting kuch tine with them, and instead going after something big enough to make them look 'ard.

>>719144590
I think it's because we don't got much of an idea about the kin compared to Squats.

A Squats are basically those that returned to humanitys fold as they can pass as human and gain a sense of identity.

The Ironkin and Clones treat themselves the same, can change job positions where they are most needed and try to keep central intelligence alive. So the question is... Does the AI act human and is accepted? Or do the flesh and blood servents of the Votann cloned from the vats act as robotic and stiff as their iron bretheran?

>>719146626
They eat people, humans get placed into basically a concentration camp and slaughterhouse hybrid after getting conquered by orkz

>>719148265
they take immense joy in listening to the wails of pain of those they 'bully', nothing makes them laugh harder than boiling people alive or impaling them or tearing them apart.

>>719146216
That's a fucking Zergling.

>>719112798
How do Khorne and Slaanesh even keep their spheres of influence separate from each other?
That brain surgery gives your brain a nice little jolt of pleasure whenever you do something fightey, right?

>>719133492
bit antisemitic

>>719149494
Slaanesh is extremely dangerous exactly because it gains power from all the spheres of the other three. It's the youngest chaos god by far yet it already rivals its brothers in power, except perhaps Khorne.

Unless something can be found to stifle Slaanesh, it's going to eclipse all the other gods.

>>719149494
Its a tricky one isn't it? I think it may be hate vs love, slaanesh bois love killing but khorne boys hate everyone and would rather have them dead

>>719149758
>except perhaps Khorne.
Slaanesh once tried to encroach on Nurgle's territory and got bitch slapped so hard he ran back into his own realm crying

>>719149494
everything feeds slaanesh some
khornates just make up for it by slaughtering even fucking harder and most lobotomizing themselves that they can't even fathom anything but massacre and gore
for slaanesh its that falling to temptation and extreme sensation/pain with relatively little bloodshed

>>719125601
cry more moshe, people are growing aware of your bullshit.
I see people blame the jew on normie sites.
it's not over
it's oven, 4 u

They all overlap.
Bloodshed leads to despair, to plots and to excesses.

>>719150034
And to Anathema, of-course.

>>719150034
>Plans! What weakness! The farmer plans for the harvest. The maiden plans her wedding. Skarbrand does not scheme! What use plans when there is rage and slaughter? The Wrathful Reaper clashes his axes together and glares at the Bloodthirsters in command of the other Khornate forces. This is their blasphemous folly, this planning and waiting.

>>719118563
They are hugely different, theyre quite literally not even bugs. Look at the retard Carnifex, good god man

I would worship chaos undivided if Nurgle and his dudes weren't such disgusting fat fucks.

>>719114313
anon, at the time there will be no more middle class or crackers with disposable income

>>719095125 (OP)
40k is so fucking cringey. why do people like this shite?

Iron Hands are cooler than your favorite chapter. That is all.

>>719151057
If they got deleted no one will care.

I bet Games Workshop wants to replace them with Black Templars or the Blood Ravens.

>>719151294
>Games Workshop
>Caring about anything but the blue boys
good joke anon

Normal space marines are so fuicking boring everyone headcanons their favorite successor chapter into being loyalist marines of a traitor legion even if it makes no fucking sense for them to be
In the Horus Heresy half of the legions turned traitor except apparently half of the traitor legions turned loyal again
The un-heresying of traitor marines

>>719105190
>40k
>fujos
No such thing, John Warhammer is solely responsible for this because chaos minis sell more than xenos.

>>719151468
>half of the legions turned traitor except apparently half of the traitor legions turned loyal again
Legions weren't perfectly unified monoliths, there were traitors in legions that were largely loyal and there were loyalists in legions that were largely traitors. That's the tragedy of brother against brother is that nobody could ever trust even those immediately around them.

>>719120305
Admech had their own version of space marines made by cyborg enhancements rather than genetic, they kicked some serious ass in the heresy, but like most heresy units fell out of use.

>>719126326
>be some literally who guardian sitting in a half flooded trench somewhere
>lanky clown fucker pops out of a hole in space, does a little jig then drops trou and moons you before vanishing again
>now you gotto try and figure out if he was trying to warn you about an incoming disaster or just saying he wanted you to thin your paints

>>719106453
Knowing and actually doing something about it is two different things anon. Imperium knew where they are and what they are, but they also knew for every soldier that will be killed trying to exterminate them, orcs and nids multiply by a hundred. The craftworld is just so far down the imperium threat list that an average imperial planet is more of a threat to the imperium than those space hippies. The average imperial world may revolt and attract chaos while the craftworld know their best chance of survival is letting the imperium exist.

>>719141895
This has just reminded me DOW4 is going to be using primaris squads, trying to figure out the use case of a double heavy bolter jetpack unit or the intercessor interceptor malarky will be a treat.

>>719151851
That would be a cool army idea, remains of the traitor warrior lodges from a bunch of loyalist legions who are clearly corrupted but still have their old heraldry. Would have to be 30k to make sense I guess, ten thousand years is plenty of time for a repaint.

>>719118029
>Nigger tranny marine
I'm surprised EC didn't get featured more often. Also since when does EC have niggers? IIRC their gene seed turns every marine into muscular Griffith like fulgrim just like how salamander geneseed turns their marines into literal black people.

>>719107201
>no women
Nigger, a woman literally commands Angron's personal ship.

>>719134178
>TS
At least we know that all original Terran TS were persian AKA Iraqis and Iranian so they are definitely have non-whites on them.

>>719107201
why does he need 2 mouths?

>>719151057
Even the necrons have more personality than them on top of not being a jobber

>>719107201
The Emprah is a Turk, Malcador is an Arab

Terra is located in the Himalayas and the first Custodes, Thunder Warriors and Dark Angels were Indians, Pakis, Central Asians, Arabs

>>719095783
warhammerniggers seething @ this post LMAO

>>719097776
why are 40cucks like this?

they're both xenomorphs nigger shut the fuck up

>>719145431
You aren't playong Eldar right, anon. They're not Guard who win by just spamming bodies until tanks are ready, you win by being the fastest fuckers in the game until Soulstorm.
Fleet of Foot is pretty much required, and is a huge boost that you simply leave on and never have to worry about.
Banshees are the fastest infantry in the game and can run as fast as Land Speeders, and will hit like a freight train into melee.
Fire Dragons melt vehicles and buildings and are specifically for that niche. Put a squad of them in a Falcon and fly them over to the enemy base to burn them down.
Eldar are specifically the most difficult campaign in Winter Assault because they're strongesr of the four when you know how to use them.

>>719146270
I hate the stupid head/faces

>>719151057
space sharks are cool x2 so this mathematically cannot be possible

>>719155463
holy reddit