Thread 719103598

Still hilarious

Dragon's Dogma 2:The Last Great Disgrace

He's right but he failed on making it fun too.

>>719103730
Just means he was bullshitting through his teeth.

>>719103598 (OP)
I don't know, I enjoyed my modded Skyrim playthroughs when the only fast travel methods I had were the wagon rides to the cities. It forced you actually find stuff while heading to the place you wanted to go.

>>719103942
Skyrim actually has shit for you to find, random events, dragons and enemy outposts. And if you're playing a modded game, you can camp anywhere you want instead of pre-determined locations.

>>719103772
To be fair he was majorly cucked by a company mandated piece of shit engine.

>>719103598 (OP)
this is fine but unfortunately the world was just filled with the same three enemies and the endless reskins
which respawned identically each time
and night time wasn't as fun as it was in DD1
still didn't stop me running everywhere in DD2

>>719104117
thats not an excuse

>>719104117
No he wasn't. Even if DD2 ran at 144fps on a damn GTX 580 the game would still be a disappointment. It's just a lamer retelling of DD1 with furfaggotry.

>>719104117
>piece of shit engine.
Has nothing to do with his shit decisions

>>719103598 (OP)
>mash left click while holding W towards the objective, 3-shotting any goblin along the way
amazing. thank you for your infallible gameplay direction itsuno

>>719103730
>>719103772

Maybe Itsunos idea of fun is having the same 5 enemies spammed in the exact same static spawns every 20 meters?

I've never seen a sequel suck so much ass it made people realize the first wasn't that good to begin with. DD2 managed to almost overnight delete the entire fake fanbase for the first game.

>>719104468
the only way you can possibly think this is if your singular lens into the world is 4chan posts

>>719104468
I don't think it's as much fault of dd2 itself as the fault of streamers and influencers, who pushed narrative that dd2 is like first game but "improved"

>>719104117
Get his micropenis out of your mouth.

>>719104468
You know we never actually liked DD, right? It's a /v/ inside joke, like /mu/ telling people to listen to Trout Mask Replica.

>DMC5 is great and sells fantastically for a dormant IP
>proceed to rush DD2 just so you can release it at the very start of the financial quarter so it will look good on a shareholder report
what the fuck

concept art for itsunos new game confirms it's a medieval setting btw

>>719104468
The first game wasn't that great, but you can tell there is some potential there. DD2 was just another Capcom safe sequel.

>>719105045
The potential of DD had already been realised with monster hunter

>>719103730
This, except I haven't actually played DD2, so I can't say definitively. It's a good concept to live by though. Reminds me of the OG Halo dev team;
>The enemy has to be fun to shoot at, as well as be shot at
So many games miss the latter, and even the former more often than not. People call Souls "rollslop" but I don't think they realize the highlight is in the enemy design, both visually and mechanically. Watching, avoiding, and running in fear from an enemy that WANTS and CAN kill you is the point.
It's where titles like BotW miss the mark completely, with a boring set of moves/skills for the player, and enemies that come off like they're hungover and more bored than bloodthirsty.

>>719104846
DMC5 was a fluke and even that wasn't totally free from crapcom's grasp, with the red orb mtx and day one dlc busters. Morons still think the "redemption arc" was a thing but they really have not ever stopped being total retards. DD2's handling and Wilds have made that clear.

>>719103598 (OP)
The dlcs defenses in /v/ were my favorite part.

>>719105198
>It's where titles like BotW miss the mark completely
BotW has vastly better enemy design than Souls games.

>>719105198
BotW isn't an action game. It's an adventure/puzzle game and far superior to Elden Ring in that regard. Also Zelda has quite literally never ever had good combat. And no, difficult =/= good as evident by AoL.

The engine was a handicap for sure but at the same time the game lacked content in general. From basic shit like enemy variety and gear.
Encounters not forcing players to use the new tools that were introduced in game.
A beautiful world to walk around but not much to do. No dangers and no thrill to be found.

>>719103598 (OP)
OK this is the 5th shitting on Dragon's Dogma thread that I've seen in the last 2-3 days. What's the big deal?

>>719105427
no good dungeons either. DD1 had very few dungeons but at least they were somewhat unique, all the "dungeons" in DD2 are just caves.

>>719105453
DD2 was on sale recently so people might've bought it and realized it's not very good compared to the original

>>719105453
It's on sale iirc so probably Anons got scammed.

>>719103598 (OP)
selling fast travel point as dlc when your game director is saying shit like that in interviews is crazy.
I swear some exec at capcom hated his ass.

>>719105346
Agree to disagree.
>>719105347
I haven't played Elden Ring so I'll take your word for it. Also I didn't say anything about difficulty.
That being said, I'm not sure doing more of something else (puzzles) is a valid excuse for doing worse at what is obviously a core mechanic of the game. I mean after all, the final dungeon in the game has no puzzles, and the final boss isn't a puzzle fight.

>>719103598 (OP)
>Dead game
>No DLC

I genuinely don't know who to blame, Capcom or Itsuno. I guess time will tell, but based on how much Crapcom shills Monster Hunter and how DMC 5 turned out okay seems to be the former.

>>719103598 (OP)
He's %100 right but I haven't seen an open world game in over 10 years that understands how important it is give the player fun and diverse locomotive options.
Elden Ring and Dragons Dogma 2 both really highlight how much a lazy "move faster button" can ruin open-world design to the point it loses the replayability that the very genre is supposed to encapsulate.

If you are making an open world game and only have a horse or just a cars and bikes, you are making a steaming pile of shit that will sell half as well as it is hated.

In a video game, pic related's imagery hould by followed by mounting a fucking dragon or flying a jet. It should never ever for any reason be followed by merely jogging forward by holding a button.
Yet it always seems to be. It's why retarded autists think the genre itself is the problem. It's very much not. It's modern lazy safe investor-focused game design.

It's a genre about traveling long distances with diverse satisfying freeform movement.
Modern game devs have completely ignored the second half of that description and just do what the investor said.

It's the equivalent of saying you are making a classicsl orchestral album and it's just rap with a violin on some of the songs. To fuck up open world gameplay by not having the very act of moving be fun is to prove you are infact a no-talent hackfraud.
It's why I don't respect a single prolific developer anymore. They have all committed this sin:
An open world game where traveling long distances is an afterthought and not respected as an aspect that needs to be engaging beyond holding or mashing a button.

>>719103598 (OP)
The world design in DD2 is just really bad, and I'm not even sure how because DD1's world was good and that was literally their first attempt at making an open world. The moment to moment traversal is pretty boring after playing the game for a long time (even if there are some decent movement tech you can do like with Strider or Magik Archer), but the locations themselves were always fun to explore and were unique in how they were designed. Having a big map, but it's just long hallways they constantly spam with the same low level enemies makes no sense. It gets much better in the endgame because you actually get to fight most of the enemy roster in different combinations and the world opens up a little more thanks to all the water draining, but still doesn't really make it good. Getting loot is much better in DD2, but actually going to get the loot itself? Yeah, no. Also, the caves sucked. How could fuck up caves?

>>719103598 (OP)
It was fun. there just wasn't enough variety.

>>719105453
Gamescom happened and once again, no info on anything DD2 related.

Coupled with sale it cements that Capcom really doesn't give a shit about this game despite them saying 'it's one of a our new big IP's. They're full of shit and only care about shilling Resident Evil for the millionth time and Monster Hunter, the most overdone series ever.

>>719103598 (OP)
BOTW did both.

>>719104117
>the game engine forced him to be shit at game design

>>719106013
The story progression is horrendously bad as well. You dot from one area to another with very little coherency, and the reason the villain is not the 'villain' is so contrived it's hilarious. Like you're made to fuck off from the castle without even attempting to do anything.

Maybe if they emphasized the meta shenanigans to justify it, but all in all it's just fucking incredibly trite and lazy. I had no idea why I was doing anything once you head for Bak-whatever.

>>719105918
Given that both MHwilds and DD2 ate massive shit, I'd say its Capcom rushing to appease investors.

>>719106209
Traveling Hyrule was fucking boring. Especially if you don't use fast travel and travel using roads, like I did.
Nothing is gayer than seeing the same merchant on the same road get bonked on the noggin' by the same bokoblin for the fiftieth time.

>>719105751
The combat in Zelda has always been just serviceable and more of a vehicle for the exploration, dungeons and puzzles. BotW shifts away from the dungeons, but still has puzzles and exploration. I don't know why people like you expect it to have Elden Ring combat then cry foul when it doesn't. Just admit you don't like any Zelda game and be done with it.

>>719105751
The combat in the new Zelda games is so badly designed it actually ruins the game.
Your only reliable choice is to use a bunch of ugly sticks tied to rocks and shit because swords and good weapons break constantly if you aren't saving them for fuckhuge megathreats (of which there are only 3 but copypasted 30 times)
The core combat gameplay also way too clunky and half-assed for a game released within the past 20 years.

It's genuinely fucking terrible game design and it blows my mind anyone can not just tolerate it but actively defend it as good. I want to know what black magic spell Nintendo used to make their cattle so loyal.

>>719104562
Yup pretty much the only fanbase the first game ever had was on 4chan. No one played this shit. God those threads were annoying as fuck.

Someone post the schizo image implying 20 vocations.

>>719103598 (OP)
Exploring the world was fun and not the issue with the game though. The issue was the lack of the "destination" element, meaning no actual dungeons. No matter how good the open world exploration element may be, it can never really match properly designed dungeon or "level-like" areas. He put all the time and budget into the open world without leaving room for dungeons. Either that or Capcom cut the game's dev time short.

>>719106104
>Coupled with sale it cements that Capcom really doesn't give a shit about this game despite them saying 'it's one of a our new big IP's
How much did DD2 sell? Seems like it was piss poor if Capcom isn't giving two shits bout it.

>>719103598 (OP)
kek what a failed game

I never played DD1, played DD2 and yeah there were performance issues but I actually thought the game was pretty solid, put about 60 hours into it and really enjoyed my time overall. AFAIK it was basically a lot like the first game but with a different engine? So I guess if I had played DD1 first it would have soured me. I think it got a lot of unnecessary hate though

>>719106468
Not at all, traversing Hyrule was amazing. You have a different regions with unique biomes that make every area play differently, and have a shitton of different movement tech at your disposal. Not even mentioning how you can interact with nearly anything in the environment in a world populated tons of different activities.

>>719105134
That's probably why Capcom cut the funding in DD2, they thought it was stepping on MH toes.
However, Dragon's Dogma is about adventure and exploration and MH is about poking monster ass.

>>719103598 (OP)
He's right. Didn't play DD2 so I don't know if he succeeded in making traveling fun. Guessing he didn't since in DD1 traveling through an area was only interesting once.

>>719103598 (OP)
>we’ll never get a slower-paced RPG with the treacherous world of Dragon’s Dogma combined with the traversal mechanics of Death Stranding

>>719106486
You're really stupid and everything you wrote is wrong.

>>719103598 (OP)
It's fun in spiderman or just cause where movement is interesting and engaging.

>>719106662
Capcom said it exceeded expectations but probably didn't bank on Itsuno leaving.

Now he has, game has probably been shelved. I'm not saying Itsuno is free from blame, maybe he wanted to do too much but really if you're going to rush out a sequel and capitalize on the good faith people had for the original game due to the PC port and all the cool mechanics only to completely botch the story/world progression, strip away the diversity of armor sets and remove several debilitations plus no decent end game content meant the game was destined to fail.

That's not even counting the lack of a intro theme like Into free and the shitty title drop twist that was awful and pointless. The unmoored world was basically postgame in 1 but without the ability to subvert your exceptions when it had already been done.

The statement remains correct.

>>719103598 (OP)
the statement is not incorrect though
see; pso2. nobody gives a shit about running through maps and zones because a) they made traversal actually fun, not just hold forward but you can abuse a bunch of your skills as movement options to go faster and reach shortcuts and b) you fight stuff, you never just run for even a minute with nothing
and c) the game has no backtracking as such for just about anything, becuase making you run between points miles apart for no reason for a "quest" is retarded
dragons dogma 1 travel was not good because it had none of this. it was hold forward, it had a stamina system, and all of your encounters that mattered were pre-determined. and they were cool in the pre-determined places, but that only works once especially if they drop nothing of value or worth the time to kill them

>>719103598 (OP)
The fact that people barely have the energy to talk shit about Dragon's Dogma 2 says pretty much all I need to know about how mediocre it is.

>>719105453
There is some discord that really hates Capcom and has been coordinating for like 2 years now to try and “correct the record” on every game that comes out. They’re really big on pushing the “RE engine bad” story and they need DD2 for the narrative they’re running on MH Wilds

>>719105347
>I had to actually think about exploration and some puzzles in Elden Ring, which is far more than I can say for BOTW

>>719106496
>both DD2 and MH Wilds release towards tail end of 1st Quarter
>are unfinished, buggy, and unoptimized to shit
makes ya think

>>719106496
I too hate threads about video games.

>>719104846
>rush
I could never understand that complain
What would have changed if game wasn't "rushed"?
Would it magically have 6 active abilities like in first game, instead of 4?
Or exploration rewards being random again, instead of boring and uninspired elden ring ones?
Maybe trickster class would be deleted?

>>719103598 (OP)
There's nothing wrong with fast travel, as long as it's not a crutch because the game is designed to constantly make you retrade your steps
Elden Ring is a great example, you only ever move forward so you aren' bouncing between unlocked checkpoints

>>719106003
It's ironic that you say this because Elden Ring is filled with sites of grace all over the map, removing any danger from the world. Not to mention how enemy leashing is still a thing.

>>719107003
>Do too much

There isn't an excuse for this. People were excited because of the possibility regarding all the unused content from DD1. Then they did the exact same thing from DD1 without even a post game boss to fight. There is less post game content than vanilla DD1 and that's saying something. How do you fuck up that badly?

>>719106468
I guess we agree to disagree. I enjoyed finding new areas and shrines and stuff as I went. It was also interesting to have to properly prepare before heading to the desert, volcano, or snow mountains. I do agree that there could be more points of interest and unique enemy encounters (TotK didn't fix this nearly enough), but it's certainly more interesting than what Elden Ring had going on aside from Siofra.

If an open world game has fast travel it's badly designed.
Simple as.

>>719107268
You don't understand what it means for a game to be rushed?

>>719105202
we get it your are asshurt about nothing (buster and red orbs)

>>719107268
Maybe the story wouldn't be blatantly unfinished, the enemy variety wouldn't be worse than base DD1 and there wouldn't be several vocations completely missing, as the color coding implies

>>719106662
3 million something compared to elden ring's 30 million something. Itsuno left quickly before capcom could fire him for losing to miyazaki yet again and bringing dishonour to capcom.

psst, hey, you guys wanna see some goblins?

>>719107297
You clearly haven't played Elden Ring, the game has a fuckload of enemies designed to snipe you and hunt you down. Only the bosses and basic enemies near loot are easy to skip, and you still will end up
One of the first areas in the open world you reach is the reenactment of the Tower Knight at the feet of Stormveil except you have to deal with crossbowmen and a troll that are much closer together and with some swordsmen.
It even made some ecelebs mad

>>719106003
I agree with your identification of the problem but your solution is just as bad as the horse. The point of the “look over the vast landscape” moment of an open world game is that it’s the anticipation of what comes next, the moment of immersing yourself into what you’re now viewing as a passive observer. Your big idea is to give them a flying thing. No matter how magnificent you make it look, that wanderlust is gonna be ground down to meaninglessness because you’re still just passively observing from the air. All filler no killer.

>>719106662
It had the same sales curve as MH Wilds
Good early sales then people realized it was shit

>>719105534
DD1 "dungeons" sucked ass nonetheless

>>719106786
Seems like it was, according to the producer.

>>719107727
False

>>719107528
>It even made some ecelebs mad
you are in the wrong place if you think literally anybody gives a shit about this

>>719107727
Incorrect

>>719107368
Also forgot to add that even outside of biomes, getting around the landmarks is a challenge in and of itself unless you metagame. It's fun trying to plan out how you're going to scale that mountain with limited stamina or even access some of the trickier towers.

In theory they have Kinoshita but given no announcements after 1 year. Game is fucking donezo, unless they got a super expansion in production but this is pure fucking copium.

>>719103598 (OP)
Too bad he forgot to make the entire game fun.

>>719106786
More like MH was stepping on the toes of DD and Capcom favored the former based on past successes. Still, whoever though MH needed to be open-world and story-heavy should commit full-fledged hara-kiri in front of me for my personal amusement.

Modding this game to make it way harder brought it up to one of the best games I ever played.

>>719107436
I don't think story could be improved, itsuno in his insanity literally shit on the dd simple plot
>strong dude becomes god
>when he gets tired of holding world together, he summons dragon to find new strong dude to replace himself
With
>dude who fucking love playing god and ideal candidate for it because he doesn't get tired, summons dragon for no reason to prepare his replacement, but actually stops his replacement from replacing him and continues cycle of not being replaced
>>719107386
You don't udnerstand that base decisions about game were pants on the head retarded and had nothing to do with develpment time?

>>719107814
>>719107852
Each and every DD1 dungeon sucked
A bunch of caves but with some ladders and a castle with some conveniently placed ballista that is for 90% flat terrain are not a "dungeon", a staircase to a cinematic meme sequence to a giant staircase is not a "dungeon", a tunnel cave with some sidepath that instantly converge into a 1 way in boss arena that then exits to some other tunnel is not a "dunegon". By your own definition, the basic ass Skyrim dungeons mop the floor with DD because they occasionally present verticality and physics based interactions.
The randomized loot made it extra shit too

>>719104061
>Skyrim actually has shit for you to find, random events, dragons and enemy outposts. And if you're playing a modded game, you can camp anywhere you want instead of pre-determined locations.
oh boy I can't wait to find the same dragon skin, same bandits in every cave! Wow skyrim is just perfect!

>>719108193
>base decisions
Who said? Who mentioned? Don't go all schizo on me.

>>719108193
It is impressive how hard the plot of both games went over people's heads. Both games take place in a fairy tale set up for the purpose of The Hero slaying The Dragon, the 2nd game's plot is way off the rails because the guy who is supposed to put the cycle back into motion figured out how it works and is refusing to play along.

Most blatant shill campaign I've ever seen here.

>>719107815
It doesn't matter, it's evidence enough that the idea that you can stroll through the open world of Elden Ring with no care is a completely made up statement from utterly deranged and obsessed anti-Elden Ring shitposters, when every are has defined roadblocks and enemies meant to kill Torrent specifically

>>719108443
>It doesn't matter
now you're getting it

someone post the bingo

>>719108420
literally every major capcom release
wilds was even more blatant IMO

>>719103598 (OP)
Dungeons and Dragons, and to some degree open world games like RDR already figured it out

Just have "random events" that can happen when you are in wide stretches of land that you expect players to backtrack through

Either that, or you have to go the Terraria/Minecraft route where the point of having all that land is so you can manipulate it somehow

>>719108545
>No retort
I accept your concession

>>719108598
here you go

Morrowind got it right. Have fast travel, but make it fit the setting and aesthetics.
>Magical teleportation? Sure
>boats? Oh yeah
>silt striders? Strap in

You feel crazy accomplished once you get used to the different fast travel points and can zip around the island in under a minute anywhere you want.

>>719108702
you're mistaking who you're arguing with

>>719108776
isn't DD2 the same with the carts and the riftstones

>>719105347
This faggot actually praising botw jesus christ

>>719108860
no because... it just isn't, okay!?

>DD was good!
This is top 10 gaslights /v/ has ever done. The game was shit and forgettable no one talked about it until Dark Arisen, which was actually pretty good since it changed the gameplay into a diablo style gear grind. Then all of a sudden you had everyone claiming the base game was some underrated cult classic masterpiece when any discussion on /v/ was revolving around BBI. The only elements of the base game that were discussed was the Seneschal and the Dragon and gooning over love interests.

>>719108890
seethe and dilate

>>719108948
>blah blah blah I don't like what you like
understood

>>719108339
Yeah, it's so bad it's being talked about and played a decade after release when your game was forgotten in 10 minutes. Guess we just don't understand good games.

>>719103598 (OP)
Travel is fun when it's fast and instant.

>>719104468
Only fans of the first game were loli loving pedos. I didn't see many pawns from this game so I assume it doesn't have the robust pedobait creator they had in the first.

travel is fun when I can bouce around and do fun tricks and stuff

Am I going mad or did the game not release with even a New Game option?

I was genuinely incensed when I found out the save system was still a single slot like the first game. That means that retardation was by design.

This is in on top of everything else wrong with the game.

>>719104846
>>DMC5 is great

>>719109038
>when your game was forgotten in 10 minutes
you're in the thread for it

>>719109226
they did something to it so you couldn't make smaller girls without huge shoulders. not much of an issue when you compare it to the game's other problems.

>>719109358
they patched it in pretty quickly, probably just another thing that got overlooked when they were rushing it out

>>719109385
Yeah, and everyone is talking about how forgettable and shitty it is.
>>719109569
So you're telling me it was the pedo coomers leaving en masse that killed the game?

>>719109024
That's not even remotely what I said, bot.

>>719104779
TMR is much better than DD

>>719109813
I'm just telling you what happened with the lolifags, I'm sure the actual reasons the rest of us were disappointed don't interest you that much.

>>719109824
hello I am a robot beep boop

>>719104468
>delete the entire fake fanbase for the first game.
I have always found this phenomenon interesting when it comes to this site. There are certain games that, provided you aren’t autistic and can pick up on social cues, you can tell have “fans” that haven’t even played the game and we just pretending to feel included in le secret club.

You’re 100% right DD was one of them, God Hand is another. Third Strike. Interestingly, these are all capcom games.

>>719108948
>The game was shit and forgettable
Wrong. It's literally impossible to dislike DD if you have a genuine soul. The game has plenty of issues but the combat is god-like and you can do a lot of funny shit like this. It's great to fuck around and experiment.

>>719110213
>not this pawn, not this day...
kino

>>719110175
capcom have the biggest shilling force on /v/. that said, god hand kicks ass and you should probably consider suicide.

>>719110175
>There are certain games that, provided you aren’t autistic and can pick up on social cues, you can tell have “fans” that haven’t even played the game
I still remember pre diablo resurrection so many diablo 2 fans who shit on diablo 3, but clearly never played diablo 2 in the first place

>>719110367
I'll shit on anything blizzard puts out just because they're blizzard

>>719110213
Hard disagree, the enjoyment of DD basically goes like
>wow this shit is awesome it has so many unique features and interactions
To
>ok this really is half-baked and not fully developed
To
>I just now realized monster hunter as a series exists and completely invalidates DD
If you are truly passionate about DD you have never played monster hunter, and I envy you, you have a lot of kino vidya to play

>>719110337
I wouldn’t use the suicide line with god hand considering that IP killed itself, because it was complete shit

>>719110570
NTA but I like both DD and MH. They have a completely different appeal.

>>719110570
Monster Hunter has 0 adventuring you drooling retard

>>719110726
No they don’t

>>719110751
Main series does since 4

>>719110774
I'm sorry to have presented you with such a conundrum.

>>719110751
DD is extremely low tier as an “adventure game”

>>719103942
skyrim's overworld isn't necessarily fun to walk around in but i think they nailed the atmosphere. they did a good job in making the world not "feel" empty, which a lot of games fail to do. the game having huge mountains in between routes and paths, foliage in between, and good overworld music, helps a ton.

>>719110213
>but the combat is god-like
The combat is boring as shit. The enemy design is lacking. Fighting the enemy is not enjoyable and boils down to very basic and/or gimmicky interactions

>>719103598 (OP)
WTF is a game director?
Is that like a poistion for nepo people with an opinion?

>>719110663
>every one-off game ever made is shit
right... anyway kill yourself

>>719110837
I’m sorry to give you the bad news

>>719110837
NTA but the combat in DD is half baked. You can do a lot of cool shit but the game never calls for it until BBI, which is why it only got big when DA released. The open world design and encounters is just as bad as DD2.

>>719110983
It's not news, I already knew you were a stubborn child.

>>719110961
No one said that. You’re getting upset at things that literally do not exist. Instead I suggest you make fun of things that do exist, like God Hand, because it’s complete shit

>>719111010
Okay, I disagree.

>>719111041
I suggest you play monster hunter

>>719111010
The game is more than its combat alone.
>The open world design and encounters is just as bad as DD2.
Even base 1 had more enemy variety and more dungeons than 2 does. And it actually had somewhat of a story instead of whatever the fuck 2 was trying to do.

>>719111075
Oh okay, so the IP didn't kill itself, it simply just got one entry. Glad we agree.

>>719103598 (OP)

Just got it. I liked the original so i have moderately high expectations.

>>719108860
>>719108920
I actually have no idea, never played Dragon's Dogma at all.

>>719110175
>god hand
i always read it as a penis inspection day type deal where the joke is we all pretend to be retarded

>>719111169
I was playing MHFU when you were in diapers but go on. I love watching children have a meltdown when someone has an opinon that contradicts their strawman.

>>719110932
>The enemy design is lacking
Not at all. You have wide variety of enemies with plenty of attacks and different behaviors, along with the player's massive toolset and being basically the only action rpg that gets build variety right by making the classes actually change your approach to combat.

I just... don't get. How can someone like something that isn't popular?

>>719111189
Agreeing with things that don’t exist is a minor step up from being upset at things that don’t exist but it’s still delusional. There is no agreement. God hand killed itself and so will you, probably why you’re so defensive kek

>>719111309
You don’t pass, tranny behavior

>>719111416
So Okami killed itself until the sequel was announced?

>>719111505
Aww, had to fall back on the trannies again? Pathetic. You don't know what you're talking about.

>See the sphinx? Cool secret we spoiled you in the marketing campaign, right?
>There are a lot more of secrets like this in the full game!
How did they get away with this?

>>719111515
Capcultist trying to gas up temu zelda

>>719103598 (OP)
why is capcom shitting the bed so much at the moment? dd2 and mhw were both huge disappointments.

>>719111416
>>719111505
How much do you get paid per post?

>>719107003
I don't think Itsuno leaving is that big a deal. Nobody really liked DD1—they all loved Dark Arisen. And Itsuno wasn't attached to DA.

>>719111595
“Again”? You having more arguments with ghosts in your head?

>>719104117
not really fair, he lied about pretty much everything.. THOUGH I will say capcom did pretty much make DD2 as a test for wilds to see if re-engine could handle the open world setting

>>719111416
Glad we agree! God Hand didn't kill itself.

>>719111749
>we
You’re going to kill yourself

>>719111694
Oh yeah, sit there and pretend you don't bring up trannies whenever you lose an argument on /v/. I love seeing it.

>>719111846
What argument?

>>719110850
Show me something EXACTLY like Bitterblack Isle in Monster Hunter.
No I don't want OOH YOU ADVENTURE IN THE WOODS TO FIND A MONSTER or OOH YOU GO DEEP INTO THIS CAVE TO FIND A MONSTER

I mean the EXACT same feeling as Bitterblack Isle.
Monster Hunter is just Xenoblade if you removed everything but the field bosses, fuck you.

>>719111810
Okay, I'll kill myself when you provide proof of the claim that God Hand "killed itself" as opposed to just not getting a sequel like many other Capcom games that you have no problem with I'm sure. Because it's different if you personally like it, right?

>>719111610
to be fair modern japanese marketing basically shamelessly spoils everything. they even did it with elden ring and donkey kong bananza.

>>719111943
No, that’s not when you’re going to kill yourself

>>719111908
Oh, what's that? You pussying out? Shame. You were popping all that good shit a second ago about how the appeal of DD and MH is the same.

>>719111919
>Bitterblack Isle
Dungeon crawler not adventure, also not in DD

>>719112068
Right, because the reality where you back your shit up doesn't exist, as you will reinforce in your next reply. You're just a little nigger sperging out on the internet to blow off steam after a hard day at school.

>>719112096
Yes the appeal of DD and MH is the same, that’s not an argument.

One day I'll install dragons dogma i bought on steam to play it. Oh well back to farming super credits in helldivers 2

>>719104779
really? I could have sworn /v/ shilled this shit for months on end when it was announced

>>719112290
Alright, I concede. You never provided an argument for your incorrect claim.

>>719112279
You unironically use the word “argument”. You are not important, I make fun of you for my own amusement. Truth is you’re an emotionally stunted, terminally online incel.

>>719112384
Concede, what? There is no argument. You are deeply confused

>>719112397
Holy fuck, are you actually so far up your own ass you think "argument" is a lowly word?

>>719108860
The carts and riftstones are similar, but I would argue that there's not enough points on the map where you can travel to.
One thing I do like with DD is the ability to leave teleport crystals in spots you want. In DDDA I had a bunch that could place and use them as hubs, but DD2 felt like you got a lot fewer opportunities for that.
So in that regard, Morrowind wins hands down, considering you have the mage teleports, you have the vampire teleports, silt striders, boats, and then mark and recall. Carts that take you to a very limited number of places don't cut it.

>>719112397
>You are not important
Important enough for you to reply.

>>719103598 (OP)
He's correct. See: Spider-man games and Gravity Rush

>>719103598 (OP)
You know who made travel fun? Kojima in Death Stranding. Because you don't just mindlessly hold forward, but have to look where you're going and take physics into account. Such a system would be beneficial to any game, but so far it only exists in Death Stranding. For example, in Skyrim it would be cool to carry loot from a cave carefully so as not to lose it instead of soullessly pressing fast travel.

>>719112495
Oh heavens, I would NEVER stoop so low as to "argue" on the internet! But I have no problem acting like a child.

>>719103598 (OP)
I completely agree with him, I tend to avoid fast travel in most games, although I did use it in Dragon's Dogma 2 since monsters respawn so fucking quickly, I got tired of running past and killing them.

DD had such a flagrantly fake "fanbase" on /v/, it was 90% posers that wanted to fit in. And it's really a perfect game for that phenomenon, it's boring, generic, and nondescript enough that it's "underrated" enough to be a hipster when saying you're fan but not technical or skill driven enough to actually be a difficult game to get into.

>>719112495
So you aren’t ashamed your sole “human” interacting being petty internet spats. Yes, do live a low existence. Hence the suicide in your future. You even posted a laughing image to totally prove you aren’t seething like it’s 2006 or some shit

Anyone else notice that this is consistently how capcom's defense force talks when they're backed into a corner?
>>719112397
>>719112475

>>719104397
I remember hearing that there would be a level of RNG to this, like random encounters and switching up the spawns in order to keep it fresh, and yet I rarely experienced such things barring the Dullahan and the odd dragon.

>>719112773
Awful attempt

>>719112704
If you time the release of mighty bend you get the slow motion super version of it.

>>719112750
You're literally the pettiest person in this thread, you're throwing a tantrum because I said I like both DD and MH and you just can't stand the idea that such a person exists. God damn.

>>719112642
So fun that the entire game is centered on optimizing the actual walking out of the game. Here's a road, here's a zipline. Just don't fucking walk

>>719112495
he's totally above it all but not above playing the snarky teenager in this thread, love seeing people do this on /v/

>>719112875
>such a person exists.
Not if you have anything to say about it, you know, due to the suicide

Time 4 fun
>trash mob that just readjusts and stares at you
>trash mob that just readjusts and stares at you
>trash mob that just readjusts and stares at you
PATH A
>boss that just readjusts and stares at you
PATH B
>omg an entrance hory shet
>small narrow hallway
>big empty room with a boss that just readjusts and stares at you

Thank god there was no eternal ferrystone to rob me of this stellar experience

>>719113027
You know the terms.

>>719113013
Who is “he”?

DD2 is this decade's greatest vidya disappointment. Goddamn. Nothing can really top the sharp drop of excitement into disappointment once it released.

Most games with fast travel reserve it primarily for backtracking to previous areas. If you don't want fast travel in your game, it's best to disincentivize backtracking as much as possible.

>>719113106
oh my bad, "they." thanks for reminding me to be inclusive.

>>719113093
No, I don’t know, I imagine you’re waiting until your parents die or something but that’s just a guess

its amazing how overhyped this game was pre-release only for it to come out and be immediately forgotten

>>719105347
>praising botw to shit on elden ring
Has contrarianism gone too far

>>719113247
Forgot already? Merely scroll up!

the fast travel micro-transactions debacle that came out after this article was the death knell, even though in reality all of the dlc was functionally inconsequential, but the retarded, misinformed, ecelebs who have no business playing video games in the first place, let alone even caring about a sequel to one of the best games of all time (yes DD:DA is one of the best games of all time) still had to farm those views and clicks that they so desperately cling to.

that said, dd2 was a disappointment and fuck capcom and itsuno.

>>719113072
There's no eternal ferrystone in Elden Ring, which is the game you just accurately described.

>>719104468
Ill take "things that never happened" for 100

>>719113338
Anon. We get it. We agree. You don't have to make this post over and over in slightly different wording.

>>719113372
No, I don’t think I will.

Itsuno burned all his goodwill on this. Fucking brutal.

>>719112704
>throwing him into a pit so you lose out on upgrade mats
Great job, retard.

>>719113461
Aww, why so petty?

>>719103598 (OP)
I liked web swinging in Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2, the gliding shit was off-putting with how finicky its controls were.

The real revisionism is "no one cared about DD until DA"

>>719108860
Yes, the carts are especially hilarious because say you do want to slow travel on one just to experience it its near impossible with the amount of enemies on the paths and will destroy the cart 25% of the way to whatever your destination was.

>>719103598 (OP)
He’s right but also wrong. If you have fast travel and players are constantly using it that’s a sign that there’s something else wrong with the game and the fast travel is just a band aid fix

>>719112704
Did you post this thinking you had an argument?

I can't be the only one recognizing the scripts here.

>>719113562
It’s just another example of how all dd fags are fake fans. They simultaneously spam THE WIND IS PUSHING ME while posting about fucking DA that doesn’t even have this as the title screen

>>719113159
Monster hunter wilds has entered chat

>>719113760
yeah it's not like anybody could go look up the original version of the title screen and think "damn that's cool"

come on man

>>719113159
Transparent marketer bullshit. MGSV had way more genuine hype behind it and was a much bigger letdown.

>>719112748
I knew I was around fake fans when the DD2 hate came, I'm not saying DD2 was the best game ever made, but it was barely a downgrade to DD:DA, my only gripe was how the main city ran, the second half of the story which felt rushed, and the fact that they halved the amount of abilities each class takes into battle.

>>719113860
You know the first thing I do when I boot up a new game im playing for the first time is to quickly check YouTube to see if an older version had a different title screen, us gamers amirite fellas we are so wacky XD

>>719108420
Not even shill as much the E33 release.

>>719112327
didn't watch the movie moment

>>719114040
Who said it had to be upon the very first boot? Why are you making up retarded scenarios?

>>719108420
>i'm having a blast!

>>719114125
didn't read the book moment

>>719114041
E33 was pretty bad but I still think hades 2 was the most blatant, it was pushing GTA 6 threads off the catalogue despite a trailer launching like no I’m sorry the announcement of an EA indie game isn’t getting 15 threads to GTA fucking 6’s 4 threads

>>719114183
>making up retarded scenarios
Oh man let me look up this game’s history to see if it had a different title screen!

>>719113427
Bro I haven't played a From game since base DaS1

>>719114183
You’re right, it’s after the credits rolled. I thought to myself, “damn I just HAVE to see if they ever changed the song playing in the title screen” this is what us gamers do

>>719114393
Oh man it's impossible for anyone to ever hear that a game had a different title screen in a re-release, especially since that TOTALLY NEVER HAPPENED WITH STREET FIGHTER 4 IN THE SAME GENERATION!

Just die, weasel.

>>719114393
>>719114492
>samefagging
Pathetic. I win.

>>719113530
>>719113642
Look at the cope

Maybe anon doesn't undestand sharing because he doesn't have any friends...

>>719114636
Win what? When I won against Grigori I thought to myself “you know this would be a good time to see if they ever changed the title theme”

>>719110213
>the combat is god-like
Only people who exclusively play RPGs could ever think this, the combat was fucking awful

>>719114674
>explosion at 0:22
fucking lol

>>719114514
I hate to break it to you, but DD did not have the cultural impact of vanilla SF4, which was a revival of a keystone vidya franchise. They didn’t play “Into Free” before EVO top 8 or anything.

>>719114742
I don't think he gets out of his basement at all if the idea of hearing about something from someone else is giving him this much trouble.

>>719114429
Lucky you, you stopped right at the peak and didn't have to experience the slow descent into slop.

>>719114636
>everyone who thinks I’m retarded is one person
Pathetic.

>>719114904
Hate to break it to you but I already knew that? Hate to break it to you but that doesn't mean a person can't hear about the game from someone else? Hate to break it to you but you're just a brat?

>>719114904
What you don’t remember when SF5 and SF6 were announced all those huge fans spamming “indestructible lyrics” like fake DD fags spammed the wind is pushing meme?

This kid is really arguing tooth and nail that no one who started with DA could have ever discovered THE WIND IS PUSHING ME by any means.

>>719114775
Can you honestly name games with more enjoyable combat?

>>719115149
Who is “this kid”? Why are you vague posting?

>>719115149
yet somehow all the "fake fans" discovered it anyway
truly a sound and not schizophrenic argument at all

>>719114775
Nope, played tons of action games. DD is easily one of the best action rpgs ever made, possibly could take the crown.

I take it back, I don't think this kid even knows what he's arguing.

>>719115149
No one said that

They said it was funny fake fans love spamming lyrics while also arguing no one cares about the edition of the game the song is from

>>719115157
Hint: there's at least 3 games made by Itsuno himself with gameplay that's a million miles better. Even Souls games are better and I'm pretty critical of them, but at least you can't fucking pause the game to heal fully at any point.

>>719103598 (OP)
I'm having a blast

>>719115036
You are really mind broken

>>719115157
God hand, this post is the magnum opus of the thread btw

>>719103598 (OP)

Can you play this with an old GTX 1060 6GB? Asking for a friend.

>>719115480
Guess you should have thought twice before bringing up shit no one was arguing against, smartass.

fast travel is for pussies, i never do it on skyrim.

>>719115431
>Even Souls games are better
You can't even jump in Dark Souls.

>>719103598 (OP)
>copy paste 1 game story
>does it wrong
>call game DD2
how can you fuck up so bad?

>>719115694
You also can't pause the game to heal :)

>>719115407
Oh really because all I see is a guy saying all DD fans are fake because of his headcanon. Imagine being as fucking stupid as this piece of shit right here >>719113760

Still essentially dumbstruck by the fact they had all the time and money in the world and they made a game so bad that they didn't even bother trying to save it with a Dark Arisen-like DLC.

Even more dumbstruck by how they fucked up the vocation system for absolutely no reason at all

>>719115781
Imagine being this mad

>>719115771
Health isn't binary so I don't really care.

>>719115884
There was definitely some kinda bad blood between Itsuno and the execs, someone wanted him out. Maybe him making an ultimatum and threatening to leave upset someone.

>>719115673
What?

>>719115149
It’s really, really, really funny just how butthurt larping “ddfags” get when you point out they are just meme spouters who aren’t actually fans of the game

Dragon's Dogma 2 and Shenmue 3, the Holy Duology of Miracle Sequels that Completely Wasted the Astronomically Low Chance of Being Made.

>>719115886
What's the matter? I'm just calling a retard out for being retarded. Don't you agree that retards should be called out? Especially ones as retarded as that, who just keep making up nonsensical bullshit to argue against.

I think we can all agree such people should be called out.

>>719116121
It's really, really, really funny how you still can't explain why liking THE WIND IS PUSHING ME makes someone a fake fan but you still keep samefagging.

>>719115459
I almost had as much of a blast as you.

>>719115986
What the fuck did he mean by this?

>>719103598 (OP)
the directory is a retard and isn't a gamer. Traveling through shit you beaten over and over and over isn't fun. Just tedious time waster.
Devs use this trick to extend your gametime.

>>719116153
Imagine being this mad

>>719104468
I still consider DD1 one of my favorite games of all time, it's just 2 is that underwhelming an experience. This isn't even counting the 500+ hours I played on Switch and however long I played the original release and Dark Arisen on PS3 back in the day.

>>719103598 (OP)
The issue with fast travel is also that by deciding it'll be a thing in your game it thereby influences how you design your world. If players can just teleport to wherever then why bother putting in the time to make environments that make sense/have natural pathways/are fun to explore/etc. than just procedurally generated premade asset slop?

>>719116309
Imagine thinking I don't know who you are.

>>719115431
>Even Souls games are better
See, I can't take your arguments seriously now, you just hate DD for whatever reason, now that I care or feel the need to speak to you past this post.

>>719116250
Your post is exhibit B

>>719116384
Must suck having to deal with that post timer, huh?

>>719116340
Imagine being this schizophrenic

>>719116384
>>719116514
All your posts are over a minute apart.

>>719116365
I hate it because /v/ hyped it up as an amazing action rpg and it's trash. Most encounters I can remember either being ridiculous health sponges that could 1 shot me because I wasn't supposed to go there yet, or trivially easy because you climb on them and mash attack. It's straight up garbage.

Shit, I shouldn't have said anything. Now he's gonna grab his phone.

>>719111741
Which it couldn't but they went through with it anyway

>>719116593
>I hate it because /v/ hyped it up as an amazing action rpg and it's trash.
I had the same reaction to Souls.

>>719116569
What did he mean by this?

Oh, I guess he ran out of relevant script. Nighty night little man. Sorry Wilds flopped so hard.

>>719110570
>If you are truly passionate about DD you have never played monster hunter
Except not only have I been playing Monster Hunter years before Dragon's Dogma initial launch and still do play the former's new releases even now, there isn't an MH title I own that comes close to the amount of hours I poured into DD1 except maybe Rise.

>>719117098
0/10

>>719106875
>I dont have an argument so ill just insult you
Nintenbabies really are the worst

Oh my science the argumenterino this just like rey vs snope it’s an epic showdown

>>719117270
>>I dont have an argument
You didn't. You wrote a bunch of stupid nonense and pretended it was true.

>>719117161
I'm this guy >>719116325. I've played over 1500 hours of DD1 across three systems and probably even more than that. I just enjoy the game that much, and the only reason Rise comes close is due to playing it between two platforms.

>>719117512
No one gives a shit

>>719117580
Is that why you keep responding when you don't have to?

>>719107793
I don't think I've ever heard someone praise the story or call it their favourite part of the game. What is this man on and how did he get it into Japan?

>>719117643
The whole reason you replied to me is precisely because no one responded to you earlier

>>719117645
>What is this man on
Westification

>>719103598 (OP)
yeah, hilarious.

>>719117847
Californication?

All arguments against fast travel are so stupid and bullshit, especially when you need to fucking get to the place first before you can fast travel there and its entirely player choice.

>>719106003
>I want a huge world
>I want means to travel it almost instantly making the distance meaningless
lol, you're low IQ and brown

>>719104468
DD2 is good and no amount of disingenuous shitposting is going to change that.

This series made me realize modern /v/ = 80% brown + 20% gachanigger (mostly SEA)

>>719119047
How does one come to such a conclusion.

He is correct. There is one problem with the idea of "just make it fun lmao", the problem is that you have to make sure the player does not have to backtrack. Travelling to a new location can be fun, travelling to the same location 2 times? 3? 5? 100? Eventually it becomes a slog.

>>719104117
someone post the pic

>>719108443
>when every are has defined roadblocks and enemies meant to kill Torrent
Wait what? You are upset because on occasion the game has you react to things to prevent you from having your eyes glaze over from doing absolutely nothing?
Are there enemies that can touch you while riding around? Sure.
Are any of them that will actually snipe you without anything you could do? No. If you even attempt to dodge the attacks literally everything will miss you.
There are games where it really wants to punish you for just riding around, but even me who is an absolute shitter at souls managed to get trough elden ring without a single time getting knocked off torrent. Not a single fucking time. I only learned that you need to use flasks to get him back once I tried using him in a bossfight.

>>719103598 (OP)
I still have no idea what the fuck happened during Dragon Dogma 2s story. It felt like it was written by AI

>>719103598 (OP)
Only game I didn't really use fast travel in was Ghost of Tsushima because the world was so pretty. Even then, it at least had it, and I still used it sometimes. But most of the time I liked riding the horse through the fields and seeing the animation as your character leans down to run their hands through the flowers and stuff. That and the Ubisoft-style points of interest every twenty feet that you could run over and interact with if you wanted. Very cool.

>>719104468
it's actually the opposite and that's pretty cool. people play DD2, realize it's shit, then go to 1 and fall in love.

>>719103598 (OP)
He's right.
>but there is fast travel in the game
Guy who doesn't like aging pwned with facts and logic by getting old, I guess.

Fucking retard.

Wasn't DD2 also rushed out to make Capcom's fiscal year reports look good, like what happened with MH Wilds?

>>719104117
Performance was hardly the only issue with the game.
I'd argue it's far more egregious that the game released while only being a third done.

>>719119696
This. That Anon sounds like a complete shitter if he can't just run past everything in the overworld with torrent. Personally I did get knocked off, but only while trying to use Torrent against the skull birds. Otherwise just ride past them kek

>>719104117
its the game engine that caused him to put the same mobs at every point

>>719104846
>DMC5 is great
playing as V 'great'

>>719121663
The fact that you have to work around your attacks coming out untethered to your player character is kind of interesting even if it was still miserable, but aren't there only like two or three V stages in the game anyway?

>>719103598 (OP)
just because he ultimately failed to deliver on that promise doesn't mean he's wrong. anyway, I definitely enjoyed traveling the same roads over and over again in DD2 for longer than expected.

>>719121663
Game is still great despite V.

>>719115157
nugod of war old god of war dmc DMC bayo
the combat is kingdom of amlur tier but at least that game is a fucking RPG

>>719121928
so you had a blast?

>>719119436
depends. if there's some world altering events it can be okay. i didn't mind traveling the same roads again after all standard goblins got upgraded to hobgoblins for example

>>719116325
thats just sad

>>719122128
you're just bitter

>>719107793
what even is the story? i totally forgot

>>719122180
no you've put 1500hours in a bare bones rpg, you're pretty much an unpaid QA

>>719122040
>nugod of war
Holy delusional.

>>719122285
retard

>>719122378
no its better, DD the game is horizon in terms of gameplay

>>719122285
No, I've only put about 80 hours into it. Originally played it on PS3, I think. Might have been 360. What's it like being so bitter?

>>719103772
>>719103598 (OP)
Has much more to do with Capcom slashing the budget and time, and forcing him to release the game unfinished. Just like DD1. They wanna have a Souls competitor, but aren't willing to go the full way.

>>719122040
>nugod of war old god of war
you're so fucking full of it.

>>719122520
I am not talking to you, what are you on anon are you black and slow is that why you like this game

>>719103730
He's wrong though. Yes, traveling should be fun but story and missions progression should also be fun and if the travel is stopping someone from finishing a 20-40 hour open world game the devs shouldn't be gatekeeping people by saying no fast travel. No dev should feel their games gameplay is so unique or amazing that they are entitled to your time specifically wandering in the most basic aspect of the gameplay loop.

>>719122556
Capcom is deathly afraid of friction

>>719104117
the RE engine didnt make him cut half the classes

>>719122649
Yes you are. This >>719122180 is my post.

>>719103598 (OP)
The only time travel was fun in DD2 was when I installed a randomizer mod so you weren't fighting the same enemy types over and over again.

>>719107528
Old post, but I have too.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!

>>719122591
I am not, DD is a shite hack n slash with about 10 mobs, every half way decent slasher is better

>>719122748

>>719116325
this you? you stupid fucking idiot

>>719122810
tell me about how hello kitty roller rescue has better combat than dd

>>719103598 (OP)
He's not wrong but also DD2 traveling was not fun cause it had the same issues as the first game having no RNG spawning so you just knew where everything was gonna be all the time like clockwork.

>>719122497
No, it's dogshit. A game where your hit reactions don't function properly because of terrible level geometry is a shit game, simple as that.

Why didnt they add a horse or some sort of traversal+ for lategame? Like an item that gives 2x movement speed
It would've made it 10 times less tedious

>>719122869
Anon, relax!

Fundamentally Itsuno was right, and then he placed the main hub city in the corner of the map so you could only journey in and out from the same two northern and eastern routes - this is opposed to just placing the City in a central location that enables the player to enter and exit through different routes relative to the quest they're doing.

Just baffling stuff like that is all over this game.

>>719111741
>shit it doesnt work
>aw well do it anyways
great test

>>719122879
I said decent, if you played this game and think its decent then there you go

>>719122893
you can be talking about both those shit games

>>719122908
Because the head developer is a literal fucking retard who doesn't understand good game design. DD1 sucked dick mostly too until Dark Arisen, which he had nothing to do with.

>>719103598 (OP)
i never fast traveled in rdr2 because i liked arthur and just liked bringing him places to see what he would say or put in his journal

>>719122973
you also said both gods of war so I don't see why hello kitty roller rescue would be below your standard

>>719107381
if a game has an open world it's badly designed

>>719122948
>>719122748
Lmao not even that anon, but you are a retarded dogma nigger.
What kind of mental issues are needed to get that wrong, obviously he would be referring to the original post lmao.

>>719123025
No, since that only applies to nu-GoW

>>719107793
>Monster Hunter Wilds’ success was due to Monster Hunter World and Rise giving people blind faith in future entries says anon

>>719123097
Anon... it's time to take a break.

>>719104468
no, DD1 always had really notorious problems that should have been easy to fix like the bosses spawning in the EXACT spot every time, we had just hoped that DD2 went and fixed the problems
unfortunately for 90% of these problems, itsuno had decided they were actually features, like pause healing, another huge issue that should have been easy to fix

>>719113847
monster hunter was already ruined beyond repair after FU

>>719103598 (OP)
The thing I hate most about DD2 is that it is impossible to talk about DD at all now. The game wasnt bad, it shouldve been better, I would play more DD if they made it, and my actual dissapointment is that this may be the last we see of it. I want to see DD find its footing, not laugh at it as it circles the drain, seems like its already over, they didnt announce any DLC and there isnt a chance in hell they are making something 3 years after the game came out.

>>719123071
I've not played it. I have played the other two and so have others and most would say god of war is better,though I care about how I feel and like I said god of war is alot better

>>719104117
>the game engine made him stupid

I just started playing DD2 recently and even though the traversal is ass, I'm still interested in find little secrets in the nooks and cranies of this game.

The only thing bugging me so far is the stop-go, stop-go sprinting. Do you get softbunned for modding in an infinite stamina outside of combat mod or something?

>>719123114
you have not played it, I swear its on the PC go steal it and play something better

>>719123243
millions of flies eat shit, must be delicious.

>>719123242
>I would play more DD if they made it
but they won't

>>719123354
well you do enjoy shit games so you know that taste anon

>>719103598 (OP)
well he clearly failed to make travel fun. the dd2 world is below average for an open world game. all you do is wait for respawns then go to the same locations to farm the respawns. the world itself is ugly and uninteresting

>>719123319
NTA but I played it on PS4. He's right. DD blows it out of the water.

>>719123154
Why would i when jokers like you are around?

>>719123393
you enjoy god of war, you have no place to be calling literally anyone else's taste shit

>>719107793
I played it and don't even remember what the story even was about, by the end of the game when the kid was like "I'm gonna use this pendant thing I have been carrying around all the game to kill the monster" I had no idea what was he talking about.

>>719123319
I absolutely did play it and it was shit. The moment I launched a mook and did an Axe throw to pin him, except it randomly didn't work and he bounced off is was a sign I was for in a really garbage game

I would sooner replay two worlds 2 and take the game seriously and write fanfiction about the protagonist fucking his sister before I even entertain the idea of playing dogshit disappointment 2

>>719103598 (OP)
Vaguely interested in dragons dogma should I just play dark arisen instead?

>>719123684
DA always.

>>719123525
yes, its better then a zoe a test game, you enjoy a game with no substance, that has no story (thats fine most games are shit there) that has no music, that has no games design all DD is, a decent combat system but since theres nothing else you get alittle bored by it

>>719123684
yeah

>>719103598 (OP)
He's right, fast travel kills all sense of exploration and makes the world feel like an attraction park. Airships are fast travel done right but developers these days are too lazy to put that type of effort into their games.

Are we really at the point where people are comfortable saying god of war has good combat?

>>719123684
You mean the first game? Yes. There is literally more to be enjoyed about it.

>>719123684
Just play both?

>>719123656
lol your trash at nu-god of war,

>>719123851
You haven't actually played any of those games you put in that post, didn't you.

>>719103598 (OP)
The funny part about this is that Dragon's Dogma went through the exact same thing. Everyone hated how limited the fast travel systems were because the game made you travel back to old places all the time because of missable quests. Dark Arisen fixed it by adding more teleport stones early into the game. Then he thought he could pull the same shit.

>>719123789
Anon......
People who played that game when they were 10 are 17 if not going on 18. The age of the shit eaters is here.

>>719123789
hello retard anon, yes, what a bitch you are to talk about me but in a bitch sissy way, all the other anons I talked to have gone up in my mind and you are just a faggot

>>719103598 (OP)
>see this and expect more cool environmental traversal options, environmental interactivity and dynamic enemy spawns and events leading to emergent gameplay
>get static spawns and cart rides that get rekt by ogres
Thanks, Itsuno.

>>719123751
okay, you enjoy
1. the most braindead hack and slash ever made, literally designed for you to just press square over and over and win every time
2. yet another third person over the shoulder oscar bait movie game in sony's ps4-ps5 era catalog of insufferably boring crap like horizon and the last of us

>>719122654
Naturally they should have skip gameplay for everything else, right? All games should let you just skip any particular element you just aren't feeling instead of trying to appeal to less than the absolute maximum potential people.

this is the most /v/ thread ever

>>719123912
I played more games then you

>>719123985
bloody bastard benchod I fuck you bloody

>>719124050
That's really cute.

>>719104634
put some respect on his name, Itsunos cock has the potential to be massive

>>719124029
>1. the most braindead hack and slash ever made, literally designed for you to just press square over and over and win every time
how is that any differnet to DD? you think DD is hard?
2. yet another third person over the shoulder oscar bait movie game in sony's ps4-ps5 era catalog of insufferably boring crap like horizon and the last of us
DD is another half baked empty shell game like MSGV that retards on V thinks good cause they treat it like a sandbox

>>719103598 (OP)
>makes map bigger
>proceeds to fill it with the same enemies in the same spawns over and over again
>they all respawn within two days
>grind teleport stones so i don't have to deal with running back and forth
>realize i'm playing a shit game when i stopped wasting time traveling

>>719123894
I keked audibly

DD2 and MHWilds are both shit not because of the engine, it's because of the fucking shitty gameplay

>>719124121
thanks

>>719124198
>how is that any differnet to DD?
DD requires more than spamming square to solve literally every encounter.
>you think DD is hard?
No, GoW is just that easy.
>DD is another half baked empty shell game like MSGV that retards on V thinks good cause they treat it like a sandbox
DD and MGSV are flawed games with great combat. GoW does not have good combat.

still hilarious

>>719124387
>DD requires more than spamming square to solve literally every encounter.
so god of war is then infact harder
DD and MGSV are flawed games with great combat. GoW does not have good combat.
see I know the kinda V bait shit you enjoy, you dont have a thought in your head thats you're own its just anons spamming bullshit that you've lapped up like the retard you are

>>719124550
>so god of war is then infact harder
Nope. GoW requires only spamming square to solve literally every encounter. DD requires use of other tactics and buttons. So does MGSV. Both have a lot of problems. Both are better than GoW which is exclusively problems and nothing else of value.

Having trouble with the greentext system? You've fucked up twice in a row.

>>719124279
DD2's gameplay is like the only good part, what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>719103598 (OP)
>>719103730
He was like, 70% of the way there in DD2
The enemy variety was dogshit, and the spawns were constant and repetitive and so it got boring way too fast, but once in a while you'd get a glimpse of this perfect natural, emergent chaos where everything lined up and created some fantastic moments
If the game had 3x as many enemy types, and variable spawns and persistent roaming large monsters and bands of guards and shit then yeah travelling could have easily had enough interesting moments to justify a bit of walking. The caravans shortcutting travel but still getting interrupted by ambushes and shenanigans was a glimpse into a better world.

>>719124718
Hey now, there's nothing wrong with a couple typos after a long day of astroturfing. It's very tiring work y'know.

>>719124824
I really could have forgiven the quests and story if they'd just managed to get the world and combat right.

>>719123894
The griffin already paid his fare, surely you don't take issue with sharing a ride, do you?

>>719103598 (OP)
All you have to do to fix your shit game is render physics on the GPU instead of the CPU you dumb slant. Who the fuck does physics calculations on 100+ NPCs on the CPU? Capcom is dead.

>>719122970
>10+ million sales
>it's a disappointment to us..
capcom set it up for failure

>>719124718
>Nope. GoW requires only spamming square to solve literally every encounter. DD requires use of other tactics and buttons. So does MGSV. Both have a lot of problems. Both are better than GoW which is exclusively problems and nothing else of value.
lying is not good for the soul anon,DD Requires zero thinking and V even less with its little slow down mode (also the whole game is copy pasted so you do it once then gotta do it 6 more times just like DD) just like I said you like you're little sandbox,

>>719125169
>lying is not good for the soul anon
Feel free to stop.

>>719103598 (OP)
What's wrong with what he said

>>719104583
That shouldn't be too much of a fucking leap as far as hype machines go. Generally sequels should improve on what made the previous game fun and add new things to the mix. Even more so given how DD1 was pretty bare bones and the DD mmo was showing some improvements with the right budget.

>>719125197
then that would be lying so I cant sorry.
you enjoy half-baked games that dont offer anything but smooth controls

>>719125335
okay, enjoy... nothing.

>>719124987
The combat was good, the improved climbing and physics make it hard to go back to DD.

>>719125353
see lying again anon thats not good for you

>>719104347
>playing third person action games with a mouse and keyboard
Ask me how I know you're a thirdie.

>rush DD2 to pour more funding into Wilds
>Wilds turns out to be dogshit
I will never not be mad.

>>719125373
It wasn't just good, it was RAD. But they fucked up with Sorcerer. So god damn close.

>>719104117
His next game will be the one that shows his true potential.

>>719106843
>the Death Stranding x Dragon's Dogma guy is back

Based. I agree. Actually having to plan for an adventure and bring your supplies, balance the need for food against lightweight movement, etc. would be all time great.

>>719116325
heres my play time , really looking forward to trying this out one day

>>719103598 (OP)
>hated DD
>called those who were clamoring for a sequel retards
>sequel comes out and it's garbage
Sometimes you should listen to the haters when they have a point.

>>719104468
>people realize the first wasn't that good to begin with
DD is still one of the best games ever. If they just rereleased DD with some extra quests and some of the DD2 combat mechanics added in, it would be the best game ever bar none.

>>719125689
need a KCD mod with this

>>719103598 (OP)
He's right though? I only used the oxcart in dd2 once or twice.

>>719105346
>>719105347
BotW enemies have a ridiculous amount of behaviors and reactions to different things. The fact that they can pick up objects and use them as weapons puts them above most enemies in games in terms of AI. If Nintendo just actually made it reasonably hard, it would be fantastic.

>>719124824
Daytime would be fine if it had some random spawns. Nighttime needed a lot more variety. It also needed a semi-decent crypt stuffed with undead instead of the pitiful caves they had.

>>719103598 (OP)
Yeah traveling around at 15fps is so much fun

>dd1 is a tech demo
>dd2 is an alpha test
>dd3 will be a beta test
dd4 will be the best game ever

>>719105453
New just came out that Itsuno poached Ikeno and Gouda cheese from Capcom.

Every time. Literally every time a sequel disappoints, there's gotta be that one stupid fucking kid coming in with the "ackshually [series] was never good."

>>719126720
mass effect 3 actually retroactively made the other two games shit though

>>719126793
Mass Effect 3 has better gameplay than Mass Effect 1, so that can't be true.

I enjoyed my time with DD2. Probably put in half the hours of DD1, but it's still a fun game and I hope it gets an expansion

You stupid faggots will complain about anything

>>719126819
a game is more than the sum of it's parts.

>>719104468
I mean DD1 had many of the same issues as DD2 on release, but difference is that DD1's problems were addressed over time and the expansion pulled heavy-weight in making the game even more fun. BBI is such a fun game-mode that I can create a new character solely to play this mode and be satisfied for a week at least. There's nothing like that in DD2.
Well that coupled with how DD2 just feel like lukewarm repeat of 1, with devs seemingly scared to make an actual new game, and classes just straight up feeling worse to play than in 1.

>>719126852
>presses skip on all the cutscenes, spams dialogue skip button on all dialogue
>stop playing when you get to the dumb QTE section with the Marauders
What now, bitch?

>>719126793
I haven't played it.

>>719126874
>classes just straight up feeling worse to play than in 1.
For Fighter and Warrior, no. Those two classes are straight upgrades.

>>719126978
I could concede to Warrior (with base-attack revamp), since I never understood why it was restricted to three moves when it was so move-hungry... but man having everything more restricted sucks so bad.

>>719126918
now you got a below-average 2010s cover shooter

>>719127173
Classes no longer having a set of skills for the secondary weapon isn't because of Warrior, it's because Kinoshita just designed it like that, since he did the same time in DDO.

>>719103598 (OP)
that's a correct statement
fast travel is for queerbos

>>719106468
>Traveling Hyrule was fucking boring
I hate all the contrarians here

>>719127425
Yeah I know, and it's awful.
I HATE IT, I get it with DDO, BUT I HATE IT.

>>719103598 (OP)
This is my favorite quote.

>>719127667
>simplified the armor system to give players more options
Huh?

blast-haver bros how are we holding up

RESPECT MY TIME

>>719104117
If the engine couldn't handle an open world then he should have just made the entire game be Bitterblack Isle given that was the best part of the first game anyway.

is playing this game worse than posting on /v/? i doubt it

>>719126484
>The fact that they can pick up objects and use them as weapons puts them above most enemies in games in terms of AI. If Nintendo just actually made it reasonably hard, it would be fantastic.
skyrim does that

>>719127667
JFC. I played DD1 and im not a fan, but one thing even i can admit is that the armor system was legit great. I already knew they removed it from DD2.. but how can anyone listen to this level of BS merchant speak and not hate itsuno.

"Oh yeah we removed that thing cus words words words and uh people ended up wearing the same thing in the endgame"
As if that is at all related to the armor systems and not the armors available in the endgame.

>>719129125
Nta but heh, always funny to see DD fans shit on itsuno. Itsuno had no hand in making BBI that was anotehr guy lol.

>>719129475
Kinda bizarre since forging through BBI makes armor nothing more than cosmetic choice outside of specific pieces to cancel-out various ailments.

>>719129347
No, it's like a 6/10 at worst and it has fun combat.

>>719122556
>>719122663
Capcom was on an insane downswing and MonHun World revitalized the entire company. I'm sure the suits were beyond surprised and worried. I heard one of the MonHun directors is like the son of the company leader or something which helped his project get all the time and funding it wanted, but still. With DD2 and Wilds being kind of a let down, I'm worried where the company is headed.

>>719115884
>Still essentially dumbstruck by the fact they had all the time and money in the world
Your mistake was thinking this is even remotely true. People can whinge about Itsuno's retarded design decisions all they want but claiming the game wasn't clearly limped across the finish line is just pure stupidity. Not only is there hard evidence, you don't make two tech demos for fun and then leave the company (unless you are Hideo Kojima)

>>719129981
5 years in development and they only had half a game dude. I have a hard time faulting Capcom entirely on this front.

>>719127239
>below-average
You must not know what these words mean, because ME3 is far above most cover shooters.

Just put fast travel behind merchants or an unlock
Its literally not that hard
The truth is that the game was rushed to hell, they didn't want people to speed their way through it so they came up with retarded ways to roadblock you from progressing quickly.

The End.

>>719130069
>5 years in development and they only had half a game dude.
Acushually it was only 3 years, and even then, the game had a fraction of the staff a proper modern game has to have. Even 5 years would've been a shitshow with the number of people they had working on the game. Elden Ring was given 6, a a game already slammed with asset reuse. And it had 100 more people than DDdos working on it.

>>719130371
It does have fast travel through merchants.

>>719130069
Well, seeing as they put out MHWilds as their "full" game...

>DD2 sucks ass
>Wilds sucks ass
Crapcom sucks ass

>>719110175
Ninja Gaiden is the more recent phenomenon I notice, NG2 in particular.

>>719129941
>I'm worried where the company is headed.
Itsuno, Ikeno, and Gouda just to name a few are all gone. I think they'll probably retain most of the big names from modern MH and RE, but they are just that, modern. At this rate, the only person left from the old days is gonna be Kamiya. Ironic.

>>719108420
It's the maelstrom of shitstorm. A mix of corporate shilling and the genuine DD1 fanbase that has accumulated in /v/ over the years makes the launch and the reception of DD2 especially disastrous here.

>>719104117
exquisite bait, but unfortunately you seem genuinely retarded to believe what you posted

>>719124040
Sorry tranny, but walking simulators aren't gameplay. Go back to playing private servers for dead MMOs 24/7 because you're a mentally ill tranny NEET manchild

>>719104779
TMR is actually listenable and novel while DD is unplayable and boring

>>719133773
Your parents wanted a son who was smart and heterosexual while what they got was a gay and retarded child.

>>719133860
Are these DD lyrics?