Thread 719106284

Struggling to hit 60fps with a 5090 and 9800x3d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuStEOalwtw

>>719106284 (OP)
kojimba plz come back why they fire him my love kohimbo

>>719106284 (OP)
4k is a meme

>>719106284 (OP)
and it looks worse than mgs5 which is open world and runs flawlessly

>>719106514
it's a 5090 running a game with ps2 level design

>>719106284 (OP)
Clearly a third worlder PC. Next time, buy a better hardware!

theres absolutely no need to go over 30fps

>>719106284 (OP)
>UE5
Colour me surprised

>>719106284 (OP)
why cpu usage so low

>>719106828
It's just running the original game logic and it's a 9800X3D.

>>719106284 (OP)
85-100fps is all you really need, that's the hz where the human eye completey stops being able to comprehend the screen refresh. anything beyond that is a futile struggle against flatscreen limitations.

UE5 does it again

>>719106954
jesus christ

>>719106284 (OP)
So this is the power of UE5, I kneel

>>719106514
4K is fucking great and I say this as someone with a poorfag card

cutting edge graphics

>>719106828
because its throwing all it's resources into muh graphics by having every object be a gorillion triangles

>>719106954
>Blaming UE5 for FSR ghosting
Bravo!

>>719107234
That's just standard lumen ghosting retard.

>>719107057
> 4K 240Hz OLED master race

>pc gaming
kek

>spending thousands of dollars to have the same experience as consoles
incredible

pclards be like
>ayo lemme shill out the equivalent of 5 ps5s on a gpu that doesn't even run games (remake of of a forgotten 20 year old moviegame) 4k@60 locked

>>719106954
he...he's fast!

>>719107234
>>719107096
Leaving ghosting aside, this looks like crap. The original looks better no cap
>>719107885
I heckin' love anti-soul gas!

>>719107885
gaystation 5 pro can't even do 4k60 lol
in fact it has worse performance than a gaystation 5 running in performance mode

>>719107731
>>719107797
>>719107885
samefag snoy

>>719106284 (OP)
>poor fag tries to play modern vidya on shitty pc

>>719108358
anon it's $499 shitbox to play cod, nobody ever pretended it would run latest AAA games in 4k60 you retard
the question is why a top of the line gpu with a $2k+ MSRP that like less than 1% of steam has is incapable of doing that for a fucking 20 year old game with five enemies and linear levels, it's insanity, I don't know how pcretards keep putting up with this shit

>>719107234
That's not from FSR or upscaling you retard, it's from UE5 lumen lighting, and it's present in almost every UE5 game that uses lumen.

>>719106954
>They are speed trails, they make the game go faster

>>719109006
>anon it's $499 shitbox to play cod
$549 shitbox to play cod*
Unless you mean the Pro, which is a $749 shitbox to play cod.

>Russia
>Jungle
???

>>719106284 (OP)
I have a 3090 and a much worse 3950x and I'm getting 60 at 4K. This guy clearly has PC issues, considering it's an X3D processor which has perennial core parking issues I'm going to bet that

MGS3 is best enjoyed at 30 fps.

>>719106284 (OP)
>he doesn't have sli 5090s and 9950x3d delidded sitting in a freezer
LMAO! fucking poorfag

>>719109287
>and I'm getting 60 at 4K.
No you're not.
He's running at 4k with DLAA, you're using DLSS to upscale from 1080p.

>>719109287
Running at 25 fps for me with the same gpu and a better cpu so youre probably lying

>>719107527
>>719108169
>>719109083
>amd fsr shills blaming lumen for fsr ghosting
hello saars, do not redeem the card!

>4k
>still running better than the ps2 ran the original game
>perfectly acceptable and playable performance especially for a game that isn't an esports shooter
>constant endless pants shitting and crying about unreal engine 5 from kids who couldn't run the game at 1080p60 on their systems if it were on fox engine/frostbite/UE4/UE3/source
>>719109373
>the most performance-demolishing AA method out there besides deprecated methods like MSAA and SSAA
lol
lmao

>>719109701
>>719109647
Uh oh, here comes the jeetshill patrol.

>>719109183
and? what's your point lil bro? for a shitbox that ""runs"" all the latest AAA games for 7 years that's fairly inexpensive
it was on sale for $450 and maybe even lower, it's a steal, no pc even to this day would come as close in value, no reason to debate this, I thought everyone agreed on this
also not sure how you will cope about this but tariffs and price increases will absolutely hit pc parts
>>719109287
>le skill issue
retard poorfag keep coping

also notice how this retard is talking about things without much detail in very vague terms
>"I guess it did X Y or whatever"
the bitter truth is that most pclards don't even know how their cuckboxes work or why the games behave the way they do
let's not pretend that all pclards have PhDs in computer science, most of them press a button on steam and expect their shit to run, that's all
I mean if you need any more confirmation of this just refer to the wave of pajeets struggling with enabling secure boot on their poor cuckboxes to run bf6
the so called pcchudrace, everyone

>>719109745
>no argument
>no coherent thought
>no intellect
>IQ below 70
>no job
>no money
>DURR UR INDIAN
Get new material. This is even staler than when you same faggots were calling everyone a tranny or a jew for telling you LIES such as "2+2=4, not 22" and "the earth is not flat".

honestly wouldn't also streaming and having a billion overlays cause shit like this to happen as well? it's just an amalgamation of shit desu. bet he's running it borderless too.

>>719109894
Jeet

>remake slop of an ancient movie game
literally who gives a shit
is v entirely shill or what

>poorfags seething and spamming the catalog
the game runs fine

>>719106284 (OP)
>PC masterrace

>>719109940
Any time an unreal engine 5 game releases this happens because brownoids realize they cant play these games on their ancient hardware

>>719107096
>that completely dull, flat lighting
lol.

>>719109006
Don’t let an unoptimized game get in the way of a platform screechfest. The most important thing is that people get mad at each other on the internet for no reason.

>>719110000
>Consolefag poor and seething race.

>>719110047
thanks for your opinion but didn't ask

>>719110870
>or what
ok retard

>>719106284 (OP)
LOOOK MUM ITS YOUTUBE MAN
I POSTED YOUTUBE MAN

>>719107234
That's textbook temporal ghosting lol, not a uniquely FSR thing

>>719109797
>blue tick user
>is fucking retarded
Many suck cases. Your rampant obsession with blue tick users isn't healthy. Consider suicide.

>>719109797
>I thought everyone agreed on this
Nobody agrees because consoles suck shit and can't do shit. Your can only do what the manufacturer lets you. You're basically a bitch. A cuck if you will.

>>719106284 (OP)
Impressive, very nice
now let's see the console version running at 900p upscaled to 4k and locked to 30 fps

>>719110941
your retarded reply has 0 correlation with what i asked
you are some retard trying to bait anyone without 5000$ computers into giving (you) explaining why you are retarded which i didn't ask for
i asked who cares about retarded movie slop remakes regardless its performance

kys

>>719111363
>A cuck if you will
not sure how that applies because in your case pclard you will be waiting on the designated cuck chair until your $10k+ cuckbox will be allowed to play gta6
at this point getting used goods is nothing new to the pclardrace so it's fine
keep kvetching at the superior gaming platform retard

>>719111568
caring about GTA 6 is the most normgroid consolecuck shit ever

>>719106954
>Health and camo index at the bottom instead of top left
???

What the fuck are they doing?

>>719111568
Holy fucking seethe lmao you are literally foaming, all these replies and buzzwords in a thread that has nothing to do with you
anyways enjoy beta testing at sub 30 fps, and thanks for funding the superior version as always.
see you in 12 moths

>>719106597
Are...are you fucking retarded? Did you really say that with confidence like it meant anything?

>>719106597
>ps2 level design

>>719106674
You need surgery on those cataracts

>>719107885
Imagine being a slave to a company, you're subhuman

>>719107885
>on a gpu that doesn't even run games
what did she mean by this?

>>719111882
>stop caring about the most anticipated release of the decade bro (I only pretend not to care about it because it won't run on my cuckbox)
kek found the jaded coping incel
you will be there day 1 watching console gods play it on twitch and then preordering it in a year, keep seething timmy
>>719112063
enjoy used goods pclard

>DUDE LMAO THE GAME RUNS BAD
>(in 4k)
Anything above 1080p is a meme, stop making these dogshit threads

>>719107527
>>719109083
strange how I have an Nvidia card and I've never once seen ghosting like that and I've played Wukong, Wuchang, Remnant 2, E33, Split Fiction and probably a handful of other UE5 shit

>>719113795
kill yourself faggot. I didn't play gta 4, didn't play 5, and not playing 6. enjoy your pozzed garbage
>I-incel!
I have kids you limpwristed pussy

>>719115109
That's because you're a blind retard who needs to go back to consoles, all of those games have ghosting except Split Fiction, which doesn't use lumen, which is part of why it runs much better than those other games.

>>719106284 (OP)
When will burgers die off so we can get actual good games that don't revolve around graphics faggotry again?

>>719112346
Yes, level design used to be a very large part of optimization. The game is constructed around small play areas with tightly controlled sightlines that limit how much is rendered on screen at any given moment. The fact that UE5 can't even handle this is damning.

Lol that's fucking pathetic dawg and you RTX niggers paid $1000 for their gpu too?? Fucking scammed you jits got hahahahaha all you stupid young bitches got fucking fleeced

>>719107175
>a gorillion triangles
lol no

>>719106567
That’s not a high bar when V’s open world is barren.

>>719107175
why even try to answer the question if you dont know what you're talking about?

>>719115185
Do you also think San Andreas was "pozzed" or does that not count for some arbitrary reason?

>>719109313
Based and truthpilled

>>719116235
It’s mainly true because MGS3 was one of those games that pushed the PS2 to its limit, so it really wasn’t possible for it to have a higher frame rate.

What the FUCK happened bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8M7zPdnD-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuIox_AZ4YM

>>719107234
That's not FSR ghosting. It's just how Lumen works. Happens on RTX cards too unless they force their own hardware raytracing to replace Lumen.

>>719106284 (OP)
Won't be an issue on my RTX PRO 6000. If you can't drop 10k$ on a GPU then you're a poorfag who should be working a job and not playing video games.

>>719106954
Wasn't this room supposed to be really dark?

>>719116779
It’s dark in the OG, but not extremely dark. In fact using the NVGs can actually be a bit of a detriment due to the flames.

The darkest place in the game is the cave system you fall into after the Ocelot fight.

>>719115109
>E33
Just go to the mansion and it's everywhere

>>719115109
Nah you get that kind of ghosting no matter what. It's not an FSR/DLSS issue, it's a standard Lumen issue.

>>719112034
Changing things for no reason. Its top left in legacy mode. But the camera in that mode is for inbred retards

I hate the modern look of games. They're ugly, blurry, confusing, with no focus on anything.
I miss the clean look of the old days, but today Indies don't know how to reproduce that look because they think it's not retro enough, so they pixelate and ruin the image of their games.
The only way to get a clean, precise, and sharp visual nowadays is by playing games released between 1995 and 2010 or so, when they run well on modern operating systems.

>>719106284 (OP)
>>719107885
buy an add, jeet
get a job
i will even help you by ordering food at 3am
chop chop

>>719115327
>>719117310
>>719117165
larping retards. post specs and monitors

OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK CAUSES WHAT >>719106954 SHOWS. HOW THE FUCK ARE "PEOPLE" EVEN DEBATING WHETHER IT IS ONE OR THE OTHER?!
IS IT UE5 OR FSR?

>>719106954
I hate how they make Snake so unsnappy In Delta, I hate how they replaced all gameplay animations with the shitty ones.

>>719106284 (OP)
Bump

>>719106284 (OP)
>ue4 game that's 3 times sharper, with not a single graphical error, perfect particles, runs 141 fps locked, and gives the opportunity to nigga hh
ue5 was a terrible mistake

>>719106284 (OP)
Should have bought a ps5 like a fuckin human instead of some kind of bean

>>719124423
where do you live for your beans to be rectangular-shaped

>>719106954
>lumen causes ghosting
>so does dlss
>so does fsr
>so does tsr
>so does taa
i love video games.

The game doesn't have Denuvo in case anyone was wondering.
It's out on pirate sites now.

>>719107096
thank god they used nanite. do you know how many millions of polygons it takes to make geometry like this?

>>719124692
if you move really really slow while using a controller then there's a slim chance you might not see any artifacts. but my best tip would be to not look at the places where these artifacts occur.

>>719106284 (OP)
>make the greatest in-house engine ever
>ditch it for UE5 and just abandon it forever
>Deltra looks and runs like fucking dogshit
Was it worth it, Konami?

yfw this outrage is all for nothing when the game still has a 73% positive rating on steam because advanced access cucks see no problems with a flawed product

so how do they get away with lying about the specs ever single time? steam makes you disclose ai usage, next they should force you to show a benchmark video running perfectly on the specs they list.

Whats up with all of the poorfag threads recently, what happened?

>>719124730
why would I pirate 100gigs of UE slop that runs like shit?

>>719125408
To play a game. Oh wait, you guys don't play games.

>>719125312
amdfags raging about nvidia is as old as the sun

>>719125463
I'd prefer not playing a game that runs like ass though

>>719124423
>Should have bought a ps5 like a fuckin human instead of some kind of bean
The game also runs like shit on PS5 bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am0ER7iW2lo

So when will we have new games instead of shitty remakes?

>>719106284 (OP)
So this is the future?
Games that can barely run on top tier specs and then you have to use IA technology™ to make it look decent (it still won't look decent).

>>719125550
I'm afraid that's no longer a viable option. You will suck at the teet of retarded devs and you will learn to enjoy the pus that ekes out.

>>719125621
It will stop when Nvidia stops growing. So probably in 5 years.

>>719125583
when you fix this damn door

>>719125662
>runs like ass
>mostly positive on steam
seems like a /v/ poorfag issue to me

>>719126000
I'm still downloading it from my seedbox, I'll let you know.

Why is every benchmark of this game 4k ULTRA SETTINGS... no one gives a fuck. Where are the 1440 high DLSS Q benchmarks. Ultra graphics have always been a meme.

a 4070 is only like 600$ thats nothing.

>>719106284 (OP)
Just played for 3 hours on a 5070 and it runs perfectly, the problem is that you can't set more than 60 fps I guess, not a single fucking stutter or frame dip. Can't imagine being a console fag.

>>719108930
>play at 2k ultra settings, with consistent 60 fps
>on a 4070 S
Works on my machine!

>>719126123
Did you try smooth motion in the Nvidia app? Seems like it would be good in a 60 fps capped game.

>>719126000
>cannot even run witha 5090
>poorfag
anon are you retard

>>719126103
nigga that's like 3 eggs now

this is driving me fucking insane why aren't they 1:1 with master collection for fuck's sake? I can't seem to be allowed to rebind the triggers

>>719107234
shut up nigger

>>719106954
These animations are awful lmao. Is this really a triple A game.

>>719107057
>4K is fucking great
but modern hardware still can't effortlessly run it with all the eye candy on and high frame rates. Maybe in two more hardware gens? Being IMO the look of games has pretty much been maxed out as gamers rejected photo realistic for stylized. So all that's left is higher frame rates.

>>719126123
did 6 hours on a 9070 XT and 9800x3d at native, not a single issue on my end, either. works on my machine, certified. haven't played MGS3 since the original release in the PS2 days, so it's nice getting to play it in 60 fps.

>>719124837
>my best tip would be to not look at the places where these artifacts occur.
The entire screen?

>>719126641
Delusional 5090 plays all games max at 4k well over 60+ with dlss quality.

4k DLAA is hard to max because of running Ray/Path tracing natively. Turn it off you can get 60 in most games.

native doesn't even make sense anymore A.I up-scaling at 4k just looks like native you have to pixel peep to tell the difference between that and dlaa

>>719107234
nice try jeet

>playing at 60 fps
CBT enjoyers

>>719107096
>>719106954
He moves like a Phantom and it's a Pain to look at.

>>719125402
>Shadow Meshes Incident

no reason to use dlss4 past performance at 4k. Its more than enough. Theres no differfence at balance or quality.

>>719127415
disabling nanite tanks the fps to 4 btw

>>719106284 (OP)
why devs keep falling for the UE5 meme?

>>719127415
perfectly functional dlss fg too, but they dont expose it it graphics options

>>719106774
>ou
>bitching about UE5
Putting green.

>>719127284
60 is unplayable ass, though, and I say this as a 4k chad.

>>719127881
Turn on multi-framegen, if you're past 60fps theres no reason to not use it.
You cannot use any fps cap other than reflex btw, if you try to set a cap any other way it will add a bunch of lag.

>>719106284 (OP)
Grim

>>719128409
U have dlss fg available in game options without modding?

>>719125215
"Minimum" and "recommended" without target framerate and resolution mentioned are just kinda meaningless in general. But I wouldn't call it "lying", 3050 is weaker than 2060 Super and I think it's totally reasonable to call this as meeting the minimum https://youtu.be/844ALs9Awh8?t=1448 esp. with how it runs with DLSS Quality. At least in the areas in the benchmark.

>>719106450
This isnt a Kojambles issue, retard. Its an Unreal5 issue

>>719127538
You're pretty good.

>>719127748
Friendly reminder almost every major AAA title for the next 5 years will be on UE5 :)

>>719106284 (OP)
the absolute state

well clicking on that video sure was a good way to spend my time

>>719112346
retard

>>719106284 (OP)
Unoptimized piece of shit. Unreal Engine 5 sent us back almost a decade in performance. When will this shit ever be optimized?
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>719129123
so if you bought a low end last gen gpu you only get 50 fps on a brand new demanding AAA game using advanced unreal 5 features

Whoah, thats like wack yo.

>>719130450
>DLSS balanced
>1440p
it's literally rendering less than 1080p and the game looks like anything you would have seen in the 2010s. nice bait.

>>719130631
the game looks like it does on the screenshot

>>719130450
>demanding AAA
This is the issue you shill faggot.
The visuals dont justify the demand. It looks no better than games from a few years ago (that run better than this shit).

>>719130242
Its unoptimized by design. If it was optimized gpu companies would go out of business

>>719130667
would have been called pretty in 2015.
>but it's doing all of the lighting calculations in real-time
for small maps where the sun doesn't move. that's retarded. optimize your game.

When will we ever get games where the performance drops are generally understandable as to why it's running like shit? that's it's visually distinguishable and technologically impressive enough in regards to what this game is doing is so advanced that it's gonna take a long time to run it better? right now the trend for UE5 is: games actually look worse in some regards to games made in the last console generation (except for assets). They run worse, their improvements in visual fidelity aren't all that significant at times and they stutter.

It's not understandable about why such powerful systems are struggling Delta when what is presented does not correspond with the requirements. It's all bad optimization opposed to being cutting edge in technology.

>>719130450
Shame the game has the same linear environments as PS2 game yet still looks and runs worse than games from literally a decade ago.

>>719130450
imagine the performance if they didn't have those 2 million polygon nanite trees with detail you literally cannot see unless you walked up to it and pulled our your binoculars.

>>719132904
I have hard time believing someone doesnt understand level of detail.

Also the engine features allow smaller teams to tackle bigger projects with better end result
if you said them to do it on a different engine the studio might go "okay, pay as double so we can hire more people and develop it for longer" and then the publisher goes "okay any other bidders? a studio with desire to use unreal 5 perhaps"

>>719133092
you believe a 2 million polygon tree will not affect performance negatively compared to an optimized tree? are you retarded?

>All these pc faggots making excuses for jewvidia, Ue and lazy devs.

LoL.

>>719133092
>Also the engine features allow smaller teams to tackle bigger projects with better end result
Meaningless if their game just ends up running like shit and looking like something from 2017.
At this point using UE5 just tells me that the developer is lazy, cheap, or incompetent, likely all 3, as such their game is probably shit.
I'd even take UE4 over UE5.

>>719133671
the worst part is all the things that run like ass could have been removed, since the game still uses ps2 areas. they literally could have baked all the lighting, it would have looked better, and ran like a dream. it's not like mgs 3 has a day and night cycle.

>>719106514
I can run the original version in 4K on a card from 12 years ago AND it looks much better than this slop.

If your game doesn’t look better than RDR 2, it shouldn’t have higher system requirements. It’s as simple as that.
Anyone saying otherwise is either shilling or coping.

>>719134041
Most of the retards who insist that every game have 100% dynamic lighting even if it's completely unnecessary tend to just be genuine retards, they're part of why we're in this mess to begin with.
RT for the sake of RT instead of RT used to enhance existing visuals or when a traditional rasterized solution wouldn't be feasible or performant.

>>719134209
>Most of the retards who insist that every game have 100% dynamic lighting
JEWVIDIA

I've been playing this for atleast 2 hours and I have to say it fucking sucks. Its janky, the mgs v type controls dont work here, they fucked up the cardboard box and the cqc.
Almost unplayable.

>>719134186
what if I told you making video games isnt magic

>>719116226
Only third world monkeys play or like GTA

>>719134186
THIS

>>719134734
Tell me why do I need a better computer for shittier looking game?

>>719116070
It's a fucking desert. It's supposed to be barren, you fucking idiot.

>>719106284 (OP)
>using Unreal 5
Why can't they just make a game engine?

>>719135134
>let's spend billions on a proprietary engine that absolutely fucking sucks!

>>719135134
its easier to make consumers to buy overpriced GPU's than for the industry to actually change.

>>719106284 (OP)
At what point did devs stop caring about optimisation in gaming?

>>719106284 (OP)
>9800x3d
Well there's your problem. Everyone knows Unreal is CPU limited. Should've used a 9950X3D.

>>719106954
lumens will always be an issue no matter if it's UE5, 6, 7, 8 etc.. it's just dogshit

>>719135592
>two architecturally different ccd's
have fun with the JeetOS task scheduler
>b-but amd fixed that!
sure

>>719125662
>You will suck at the teet
> of jeet

>5090
Why would you use an AI accelerator to play video games?

why are bugmen unable to properly optimize their games?

>>719126220
got a 5950x - 7900xtx combo at 1440p and i've had one stutter during a cutscene so far in a few hours of play while streaming to my friends - game runs pretty dam well at native -

>>719112113
tiny rooms from 2004 compared to giant open worlds that we get today. A 5090 should be fine for this type of game.

>>719112346
Are you being retarded on purpose? The pic seals it.

instead of arguing about retarded shit can you post webms of retarded shit like that sentence mixing thing

>Being hype for this game
>Having a 2k setup to play this game
>Spending $100 to buy this game + DLC and tip
>Browsing in the steam fourms for hours trying to optimize this game on release
>Playing a modern konami game in general
All for a game I could find online and download in 2 minutes, remaketards sure are something, eat ze slop!

>>719134186
>RDR2
Yeah, picrel per example, but some say "nah that's slop".
MGS Delta it's been pretty disappointing btw..

>>719115875
better than baby face potato oblivion, remastered is based and had fun playing it not looking at shitty cartoon grahpics like the original

>>719137429
shut up FAGGOT, paying 2k of my hard earned goyim money is good enough to pirate and optimize the game while i play porn on the second monitor, a console cuck would never understand

>>719134186
based

Ah, the main menu isnt the iconic CQC animations with the sick ass song. Sad

>>719106514
yup

>>719110047
>5090 and 9800x3d
>ancient hardware

>>719115109
Sorry bro but what >>719115327 said is most likely... true ;(

>>719139293
see >>719136851

>>719125463
I played mgs3 20 years ago.
FUCK that's a long time

>>719134734
are you implying rdr2 runs on magic?

>>719135272
>skill issue

>>719139815
video games are really hard to make and some people talk as if you just put money into a pressure cooker and it magics itself into a game
its a situation where many people would really benefit from watching a doc where people do the job and they would stop saying retarded things as a result

>>719110000
it will run at a silky smooth 25 fps on console

>>719140318
retard
making a game nowadays have never ever been this easy, most things are standards, documented and free top quality assets and tools are available on almost any platforms, long are gone the time where you were forced to do some black magic vodoo on undocumented frankenstein graphic chip that some old boomer japanese engineer though would be the greatest idea ever.
so stop your bullshit, there is no excuse or arguments you can use to defense such trash shit result

>>719135134
It requires a lot of time, money and loyal employees

>>719140670
you mean not being dog shit at your job? well yes, you need to be good at your job to make a good job, thanks captain obvious.

>>719140318
>It’s hard
but that doesn’t justify the bad performance and the complete lack of art style in this gray mess.
One guy rightfully pointed out how it ran on the PS2, so there’s nothing particularly complex going on under the hood that would justify this level of poor performance.

>>719140737
Most new studios simply cannot afford the engineers and all the RnD i takes to make and maintain an engine.

>>719140812
first, it's false
secondly, if they can't, fine, pick a good engine, like most indies devs do

there is no arguments for a studio that is doing a remake of a game to release something that bad, plain and simple.

>>719106954
He's fighting ghosts, he needs the ghosting power

>>719133505
Who is making excuses for this abomination? much like Silent Hill 2 remake not running remaining a consistent 60fps at all times on a 4090 at 4k, this remake not hitting a consistent 60 fps at all times on a 5090 is completely unacceptable. Because in reality the framerate should be much higher than this even if there was no framerate cap on Delta. The presentation and visuals do not equate to the load being put on the GPU. It's another dumpster fire mess of lazy devs and an unoptimized engine tarnishing another new release. When it's harming those who have the very best hardware then i think everyone should be in agreement that this shit doesn't stand. It wouldn't matter if it's AMD or Nvidia, both of them have tapped into a scam if that's what you're implying by their own resolution up scaling methods being built in natively into the games.
But I'm not so sure that's exactly the reality here. I don't see any of the obvious antics like the tessellated ocean in Crysis 3, i can also never rule it out when it comes to partnerships. The blame seems to be squarely on Epic for something that is demonstrably their fault.

>>719140191
Based.
Dead Space Remake was buttery smooth and looked better than Delta

>>719121108
It's lumen global illumination. This happens in literally every single game with lumen GI. Oblivion Remaster, Wuchang, Stalker 2, everything that is on UE5 basically. It's literally just a part of Lumen. Every game with Lumen has this ghosting. It's awful in first person games (Stalker 2)

>>719141051
So this is not supposed to be a cinematic effect but is a lumen thing?

>>719140901
>first, it's false
How?

>Fine, pick a good engine.
Such as? There’s CryEngine, but it requires a lot of customization and skilled developers before you can use it properly.

>Like most indie devs do.
2D engines are a joke, you can make 1:1 copies of most 2D games in JavaScript. Simplified 3D isn’t that hard either.
The problem comes when you want to create something that looks AAA.

>there is no arguments for a studio that is doing a remake of a game to release something that bad, plain and simple.
True, but i am just saying you can't really expect most devs to make their own engines.

>>719140318
Nobody cares if your job is hard. You know what's hard? Working in an oil field or offshore rig. Do you think because it's hard that buyers are lenient on being undersupplied or receiving poor quality product? No, faggot.

It's not that complicated. Games are "hard" to make and there are deadlines. Optimization is clearly not a priority to devs. Make it a fucking priority or your game won't sell.

>>719106284 (OP)
It's a cinematic experience, you don't need 600 fps and ultra responsive input lag times. Go play fortnite for that, kid.

>>719141020
But frosbite overall doesn't suck

>>719141247
>cant enjoy this vidya anymore because it needs origin and their new kernel anticheat
fml

>>719106284 (OP)
No Framegen?

>>719141190
Yep. It's due to lumen global illumination (potentially framegen, FSR framegen does this too). It's simply something that happens and has not been solved yet, but devs keep using it. As I said literally every game with lumen GI does this. It's fucked

>>719141242
>You know what's hard? Working in an oil field or offshore rig.
why would that be the comparison
most men can work those places, they choose not to
most people can't work in game dev as they're excluded by complexity, academic requirements, hard work and long hour requirements, team work sociability requirements, constant need to learn and adapt

>>719141228
>How?
You don't need an army of developers to make an engine this day (even with AAA quality). In fact, back then, they were countless of proprietary engines, and it was way way way more complicated to make an AAA game on multiplatform with less standardization (PS2/Xbox/GC/PC (add to that the online feature).
You could hire 3/5 guys for a year and let them have a really good engine that come close to UE4/Unity in term of VISUALS, even more knowing that a lot of papers for the most important tech are out there nowadays.

>Such as? There’s CryEngine, but it requires a lot of customization and skilled developers before you can use it properly.
Unity, Unreal Engine 4, Decima (if you have some good contacts) etc...

>2D engines are a joke, you can make 1:1 copies of most 2D games in JavaScript
Indies =/= 2D. Cf, pic related.

>>719135446
when hardware got so powerful, and they didn't have to constrain their games to arbitrary CD/DVD filesizes

>>719141278
fuck I didn't know that

>>719141640
>games to arbitrary CD/DVD filesizes
its not that, actually, it's because of one guy really, a guy that wanted to make a lot of good for the industry without knowing it would actually open the gate of hell

>>719141621
>back then
lol
>You could hire 3/5 guys for a year and let them have a really good engine that come close to UE4/Unity in term of VISUAL
sure thing bro.

>Unity, Unreal Engine 4, Decima (if you have some good contacts) etc...
Unity also shits the bed when it comes to AAA graphics and if you are going to use ui you'll be better off using the one with most amount of support and ease of use
>Decima
>Just ask em nicely, bro.

>>719134186
really shouldn't need a $5000 PC to play a fucking videogame without it dying, this shit is insane.
we have tech that's 800x more stronger than what was used 20 years ago it shouldn't be this bad, I know it, because Control, Battlefront 2, Death Stranding 2 all look great and dont need 14gb of vram to run

>>719141898
most people with disposable income will go and spend 1500€ on a pc and have a good time playing every game out there

>>719124828
>the actual mesh

>>719142056
But why/how does this happen? It HAS to be intentional, right?

>>719142117
I actually recall there being quite a bit of kikery going on with these crysis 2 meshes. As I remember, crysis 2 was nvidia sponsored and had lots of little small objects that were insanely high polygon count. I forget exactly if it was due to shitting on VRAM or what, but they did this specifically so these objects tanked performance on the then-current AMD GPUs.

>>719142117
That's from Crysis 2.
They intentionally added tessellation up the ass on purpose so that Jewidia could fuck AMD cards.
Crytek even added a fucking tessellated ocean below the map that you don't actually see but still got rendered all the time.
https://techreport.com/review/crysis-2-tessellation-too-much-of-a-good-thing/

>>719141831
>sure thing bro
yes, sure thing, as I'm doing it with webgl "muh js/webgl can't look good", pic rel kek
>you'll be better off using the one with most amount of support and ease of use
this right there, this is why games and software are shit nowadays, because of that stupid mindset
>Just ask em nicely, bro.
just connect with people, like Kojima said. joke aside, if Konami wanted to have a nice engine for a MGS remaster, don't ever think that Sony/GG would have said no for using the Decima engine.

>>719142117
>>719142207
The mesh isn't "real", it's a tessellated normal map. So where you'd normally have a shader that simulates all the bumpiness, the tessellation turns it into actual geometry. There's nothing really wrong with that as such, but where the shenanigans comes into play is that there was no occlusion culling on this shit. So even stuff that was completely hidden was being turned into 200k polygons. This was fine on nVidia because they had a hardware tessellation unit, use it, don't use it, all the same. But AMD doesn't, they do it with the GPU cores so all those millions of useless polygons were taking render time away from the important stuff. AMD achieved higher throughput on shaders, so nVidia cucked them with bullshit in their gameworks crap. Tale as old as time.

>>719142313
stalker 2 looked like this when i set the viewdistance to 0 kek

>>719142207
>>719142313
So theirs precedence that game studios work with GPU companies > to increase power demand > to sell newer GPU's. While visually games stay the same (or worse with upscaling).

>>719142313
>Crysis 2
wait until you guys realize that they were doing this shit since Crysis 1 actually. they even bought the guy that was doing some fan made optimization (and thus prevented him to continue working on it) and instead made him work on Warhead.

>>719142515
I mean yes but that Crysis 2 example isn't a case of that. It was just a jewish trick to make the game run poorly on the other team's cards to encourage Nvidia sales. Hairworks, the other 100 nvidia proprietary features that failed after, and now DLSS/RT/PT are the new gimmicks they're shoving on devs to artificially bloat game hardware requirements so they can sell more GPUs. But honestly they don't even care about that anymore since AI is where they get all their money. These days it's mostly just devs being lazy/forced to shit out slop on deadlines.

>Game made with UE5
>It runs like ass and is uglier than games from ten years ago

Fell for it again

>>719141673
Welcome to the club, anon. It's wild how much these modern engines push theoretical tech at the expense of actual performance. Lumen sounds like the future until you realize you're trading half your framerate for some lighting that barely looks better than baked GI in most cases. They sell buzzwords like "real-time global illumination" but forget that no one wants their game to play like a slide show.

I torrented it to see how it would run at 1440p ultrawide on my 4070ti super. Turns out it's letterboxed and doesn't support ultrawide. And it ran like shit anyways. Easiest 100GB I've freed up on my piracy drive this year.

>>719141831
>>You could hire 3/5 guys for a year and let them have a really good engine that come close to UE4/Unity in term of VISUAL
>sure thing bro.
Making the realtime render pipeline, yeah, 2 guys and 6 months at a lazy pace. Realtime 3D rendering is all siggraph papers and google. It's easier today than it's ever been. But you'll need to do something about your lack of point and drool editing tools and while you can get 95% of the way there with some batch converters from .blend to whatever you need, it's probably where you'll wind up spending most of your top programmer's time. But that's not to say UE's editor is a fire and forget system. I can guarantee you that any of these 47fps TAA slop games likely spent months going sideways because it took a whole lot of profiling to find out your artists have been doing it wrong for months and fixing it is now 3 months more work. So you get asked to paper over it and release it because a "Mixed" on steam is better than pushing back release dates.

>>719112034
You can move it.

Dunno I have a mid build (6750xt/5600x), put the graphics at medium with some specific stuff turned at high/ultra (such as textures) and it's running at 60fps

It seems to be like there are some funky settings killing the fps, possibly shadows, so long as you leave that at medium you are fine

>>719142374
> as I'm doing it with webgl
cool make an entire game in webgl.

>just connect with people, like Kojima said.
>Just be one of the biggest household names bro
Also you don't want favors when you can simply pay for an engine

>>719142794
This is the big problem with Lumen. It's a realtime lighting system that people use to replace static lighting systems because moving the lights in a lumen scene is so very very ugly. Same for path tracing. Path tracing static lights is mostly pointless but it's all we get because all that temporal AI denoising fails miserably on moving lights making the whole thing pointless when compared with offline bakes.

>>719142859
If it were that easy, we would have seen at least a few new studios using their own engines instead of UE for AAA games.

>>719106284 (OP)
The game has a much bigger issue that no one is covering because the fucking industry is all about muh graphics and muh fps: you can't rebind the D-pad controls, which is absolutely insane.
That alone should warrant the game a 1/10.

>>719142970
>cool make an entire game in webgl.
every RPG maker game is webgl.
but in seriousness depends what you're complaint is. If it's "anon will never do it" then sure, probably not. Most projects never go anywhere.
If it's "webgl can't do it" that's simply not the case. You have access to everything you need and javascript is no worse than C# for gamedev and plenty of games have their glue logic done in that. And even UE is going to stutter during garbage collection (yes, it has GC, don't get confused by the C++) so you can't even pretend JS is going to have a problem that isn't already faced by every game in 2025.

>>719115109
Go to any dark section in e33 and you can see it. It's everywhere in the area after you fight the dualliste

>>719143043
>If it were that easy, we would have seen at least a few new studios using their own engines instead of UE for AAA games.
Not quite. It's not that they aren't doing it because it's hard, they aren't doing it because the suits want interchangeable cogs in the dev mines. They don't want to pin their business on the output of a couple of really highly paid senior programmers. They want to be able to fire everyone and hire 100 indians. That's their goal.
At one time every studio had their own engine because they dreamed of selling it. But it turns out selling engines is hard so now they'd rather buy in UE and play pretend about how replaceable skilled developers are while we tear into yet another UE slop game.

>>719142515
>to sell newer GPU's.
But where is the evidence that developers are deliberately putting in borked meshes in to sell new cards? or more specifically to disadvantage AMD cards? if we had another Crysis 2 tessellated ocean incident on our hands then it would have been uncovered on SH2 remake or many other big releases since. It was just terrible optimization rather. The issue is that this behavior is replicated across the whole engine.

>>719143043
They use ue5 so they don't have to spend a few months training new hires to use their proprietry engine. It's for cost cutting and outsourcing to jeets

>>719143043
This doesn't happen because of how corporatized the gaming industry has become. Developers are for projects, not for studios or franchises anymore. Even creative leads and directors generally leave after their project is over now. Not to the next game, but the next studio. It's an incredibly volatile industry due to scope/budget-creep so corporate suits would rather standardize as much as possible. Timmy has handed that them on a platter with UE5 blueprints

>>719141051
It is really fucking bad in Oblivion. Every time I sheathe or draw a weapon near a light a source, my skin crawls.

>>719116478
>What the FUCK happened bros
PS2/Xbox: Most of the important games were on custom engines. Shovelware used renderware, also Rockstar used it because they were the first studio to realise they could power slop like Renderware into a polished turd using human misery.
PS3/360: Shit got fucked, emergency pivot to UE3 because there was no time to do the usual exclusive -> port -> cross-platform cycle when you were having to 10x your dev costs to get HD ready visuals. This was mostly a shitshow because UE3 sucked and by the end of the gen they were finally ready to move inhouse
PS4: Which they did. Now everyone was doing inhouse engines again and we really saw the benefits. But then by the end of the gen the great destruction of the west happened and studios were in pure cost savings mode which caused...
PS5: Total UE5 sloppening. Not only that, even studios that have their own engines seem to be reading the same white papers on how to ruin everything such that RE Engine and Decima all use the same ugly TAA.
So will PS6 see a pivot back to inhouse? Or is gaming now just korean gachas and "AAA" shovelware?

>>719142794
>It's wild how much these modern engines push theoretical tech at the expense of actual performance
indeed
>>719142859
That's why I precised "visuals", of course, there is a lot more under the hood (like overlay debug and performance capture tools, assets loading and streaming optimization, real time console and assets editing etc...) thing is, making an engine doesn't mean building an entire nuclear power plant system right away, as the guys from Studio Liverpool (wipeout maker) said when making their own engine, they focused only on the most important part of the engine early on and avoided the feature creep aspect as much as possible to have better scalability during the development of those games (wipeout pure and HD).
>>719142970
>cool make an entire game in webgl.
As if I didn't done this yet lol
>Also you don't want favors when you can simply pay for an engine
Kojima would like to have some words with you.
>>719143127
>If it's "anon will never do it" then sure, probably not. Most projects never go anywhere.
I simply can't show anything, that's it, and definitively not here.
>>719143214
>>719143314
>>719143403
exactly

>uncapped FPS mod out
Alright which settings are tanking performance, is this some forced RT with the global illumination setting right?

I fucking hate kojima so much

>>719143518
>he great destruction of the west happened and studios were in pure cost savings mode which caused
It's not actually....
The real reason (that happened before that) is the fact that the gaming industry started to standardize a lot of things to make the jobs for developer easier, sound cool at first, until you realize that now, publisher/exec can easily swap anybody to some third world devs to drastically reduce cost (cost that exploded only because they hire a shit tons of dead weight (yes, you need 5 females receptionist in your giant building located in an over priced big city, yeah sure...)), that's when everything started to go downhill.

The irony is that, Mark Cerny (and more), by focusing so much on making things easy for devs just created a situation where nobody is willing to work on optimization nor hiring actually talented developers anymore, and this is is just the tip of the iceberg, enjoy the same phenomenon but worse with AI soon.

>>719143214
>Not quite. It's not that they aren't doing it because it's hard
It is hard, that's why they aren't doing it
it takes money, time and talent and game dev is already risky business as it is.
>let's spend a good chunk of money everything related to engine then we can work on something we can sell.

>>719143314
> few months training
>and what about RnD for new engine, that also takes time and money
Most studios simply cannot afford all that while working on a game.

>>719143403
>It's an incredibly volatile industry due to scope/budget-creep so corporate suits would rather standardize as much as possible
Yeah that's why they are not making their own engines.

>>719143518
>Most of the important games were on custom engines
Orly?
We sure like to be selective on memory sometimes. Don't we?

>>719134734
Saaaaaaaar

>>719144183
Considering the genre of all of those games is basically dead now, I don't think those are as important as you think.

>>719106284 (OP)
Shoulda bought that 6000 Pro!

>>719144305
Then neither was MGS important for belonging to a dead genre i guess.

>>719144361
I'm not the guy you were arguing with, I'm just pointing out that those aren't exactly good games to make that argument with.

>>719143875
schizo he had nothing to with this version of the game.

Crysis 1 (2007) mog it

>>719144413
I see Deus Ex discussed all the time on here so i thought it was relevant, not to the mass consensus. SWAT did get revived through Ready or Not to a specific degree so tactical shooters aren't dead. But immersive sims and stealth are by all accounts dead, that's correct.

>>719144183
ahem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_2_video_games
just say that you never owned a video game console

>>719141020
The Dead Space remake had loading stutters every time you even went near a door... what are you talking about? It was one of the worst PC ports I've played

I like how modern technology is objectively than shit we had even 10 years ago. Thanks modern devs. Very cool

>>719144670
Goal post shifting. You basically implied that everything made in 6th gen that didn't have it's own engine was shovelware. That had nothing to do with sales when you stated that. You called Deus Ex shovelware and I'm sure there's a few who would disagree with you on that.

>>719143518
>PS4
>Now everyone was doing inhouse engines again
questioning this narrative if only because I'm struggling to think of a single dev that went to UE3 in the PS3/360 gen then in-house for PS4/XBO

>>719129775
>>719127748
>Techland and CDPR dropping proprietary tech for this bullshit

>>719116478
It look like the NFS you had back then.

>>719144892
Yeah, it’s wild. We’ve got GPUs capable of real-time path tracing and CPUs with more threads than most studios know what to do with - and somehow every game runs worse than shit from 2013. Meanwhile, Rage on idTech5 boots in 2 seconds and holds 60fps on a toaster. We traded optimization and pride in code for cinematic lighting that brings even a 4090 to its knees.

>

>>719128409
Past 60 fps FG can work but it doesn't feel the same as true 120+
I own a 4090 and consider it a 1440p card.
4k just isn't comfy yet

>>719141190
kek what the hell

>>719111568
The Take Two CEO is absolutely fucking braindead and should not be taken seriously in anything he says

>>719124271
Lies of P is a perfect example of how not everything needs to be a fucking 8k texture and still look great and perform fantastic without needing to use upscaling bullshit.

>>719144958
first I'm not the anon you were talking to originally
secondly, I was only responding to your post regarding how most of the important games where made with in-house engine, which I agree with the other anon by providing proof.
that proof is not about sales alone, but also how those top selling game were also games that defined a genre (GTA, GT, Tekken, FF, MGS etc...).

>>719141190
>FSR does it again

>>719145341
that looks like dlss 5

>>719144670
GT and Halo are dead as fuck tho.
only Zelda somehowe survived.

>>719145082
take us back!

>>719144670
GT and Halo are dead as fuck tho.
only Zelda survived.

>>719145384
dlss 5 isn't even a thing. It looks nothing like that on dlss 4 either. The sharpness is a dead giveaway of the anon using every setting possible that has a fuckton of ghosting

>>719130761
They should be going out of business for selling $3000 graphics cards and hamstringing their "mid-range" ($700 used to be ultra high end enthusiast tier) with only 8GB of RAM but they won't because GPUs aren't for gaming anymore, everyone wants a piece of the AI pie and NVIDIA can sell fleets of 5090s to any startup business that even has a tiny interest in tech. Even restaurants are buying these GPUs now.

>>719144727
>lying
lmao unreal shill, I play it all the time. its fucking butter

>>719145530
You have tons of Forza Horizon games tho.

>>719145495
>GT
>dead
???? https://www.gtplanet.net/gt7-highest-grossing-title-usa-20250124/
As for others, it doesn't matter if they died or not, they were still games that shaped the industry back then, they are and were important for the industry.

>>719145617
>but back then!!!
Yeah, so like Deus Ex and Splinter Cell.

>>719145601
>he think forza horizon match driveclub
grim

>>719145564
It's lumen.
>>719145592
No it's not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvQl7EDPRC4

>>719115109
>>719143145
>>719117165

>>719145650
Driveclub died like a bitch for a reason.

>>719145652
You clearly have zero fucking clue about what you're talking about if you're blaming lumen for these things. Do you even know what lumen is in the first place?

>>719145678
he's on a Nvidia card. your webm have a PS5 controller button.

>>719106284 (OP)
Why is the 4090 better?

>>719145341
>>719115109
Why are you trying to turn this into a brand war issue? It happens with everything. I have nvidia as well and the exact same thing as >>719141190 happens when I pull out my weapon in oblivion.

>>719145757
because he's lying.

>>719145617
The sales numbers for GT don't matter anymore because they turned into a live service MTX game like Destiny 2 which means they don't need to sell games anymore. They didn't even bother to put a decent single player mode into GT7. It's still the same limited world circuits with the same outdated PS3 AI and no endurance races or tire wear. It's bad when you have to make your own pen and paper RPG just to have some semblance of a simulation mode.

>>719141190
oh no no no dlssbros how do we respond

>>719145592
Okay, I guess you're just getting lucky and blinking every time you walk near a door. Returnal had the same problem, every time you walk near a room transition it stutters to load the next room.

The game looks so bad and it still runs like the ganges river after the morning needful

Unreal engine has damaged gaming so much

UE5 ruined gaming.

>>719145686
Speak for yourself. Luman GI causes this and it is an incredibly well known problem (among many) that is just accepted as a reality when your game uses software or hardware lumen GI. You're free to prove me wrong but this is extremely common knowledge and very easy to replicate exactly in any game with lumen GI.

>>719145295
>how those top selling game were also games that defined a genre
>list GTA
>used renderware
Just stop replying anon and quit embarrassing yourself, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You didn't even read his post when he criticized Rockstar as a shovelware company too. So if it's about sales then you've already twisted the discussion. Learn to actually read before replying.

Unreal Engine work great with PSeudoregalia and Northern Journey.

>>719145719
retard

Stop using jeetengine 5

>>719145851
if its there its not noticeable. and maybe the reason its not noticeable is because im waiting for the door to open. i would not be saying its butter if it ran like shit. the framerate is smooth at 1440p with my 4060 - medium/high

>>719106284 (OP)
>4k
>8k

its so weird to think that we're gonna have an entire generation of games that was enshittified by one engine. like genuinely imagine looking back at this point of time.

>>719146026
Not noticeable to you maybe, but it happens whether you see it or not. To everyone. System has nothing to do with it, it's just how the game is built. There is no system that it doesn't stutter on.

>>719146026
>if its there its not noticeable
It is if you aren't blind. It's very obvious, and it was never fixed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYQFIsivzS8

>>719145879
the wuchang webm is FSR ghosting. lumen ghosting doesn't preserve the color of the occluding item (instead the background elements are shown unlit)

>>719145678
it's a real shame that one of the best looking areas in the game gets brought down by the horrible tech.

>>719106284 (OP)
feeling jeeted yet?

>>719106284 (OP)
But hey man, there are like a trillion photoscanned leaves and blades of grass!

>>719145678
such a fuck ugly engine man. I noticed the same thing in Oblivion

>>719146092
>>719146116
other than those stutters you claim to notice, how is the performance for you?

>>719145978
Those games aren't exactly amazing looking visually. So they sure as hell better be running at high framerates, they're potato games.

>>719146187
>other than the horrible, unfixable stutter every 30 seconds, it's great!!!!

This generation of hardware and software is so bad, frameskip and upscalers pretending to be actual tech advancement and terrible engines that run and look bad to justify spending more on cards that have seen no real improvements

The 2020s are looking bad and we're halfway through

>>719106284 (OP)
>>719146150
<= Unreal Engine 3 btw

>>719146302
kek, thought so
>every 30 seconds
back to lying again lmao

>>719146306
You'd be singing a different tune if upscalers didn't exist. We would be using manual dynamic resolution, games would still run this poorly, and they would look 3x worse. Nvidia may be a bunch of kikes but DLSS is actually black magic. Not framegen though.

>>719145685
yes because sony is retarded, more news at 12

>>719146187
>claim to notice
>he says after being linked multiple videos that record the stutters
I don't engage with bad faith retards.

>>719146398
I don't use upscalers, it looks bad

Unreal Engine 5 work great for me. Pick better games next time.

>>719146373
It's no wonder these horrible ports come out. There are probably retards such as yourself working on them who have half their brain missing. Probably perceiving real life with the same stutters due to brain damage. Very sad.

>>719146442
with Horizon being on Playstation too now, you can stop pretending.

>>719145818
I was only talking about the sales regarding the comment about the "death" of an IP. Quality wise, yes, GT7 is utter trash, I would take GT2/4 or even GTPSP (with campaign mod) over anything PD produced in those recent years.

>>719146494
This game also has loading zone traversal stutters.

>>719141190
yep true graphical progress right here

>>719146491
You must be using a very old GPU or still be on 1080p. FSR4 still isn't quite there yet, but DLSS4 quality is far better than native+TAA. Native without TAA would still be like a sidegrade you choose based on preference. AI upscalers extend the lifespan of midrange cards and lets them punch above their weightclass.

If you're running a 1080p monitor still, for example, you can use DSR to run games at 1440p. Using DLSS4 qual/balanced at that DSR resolution will look significantly better than your normal 1080p native.

>>719146509
I would've refunded Dead Space Remake if it was bad.

>>719145946
You are fucking retarded and can't fucking read.
>I was only responding to your post regarding how most of the important games where made with in-house engine
>how most
>how those top selling game were also games that defined a genre
>were also games that defined a genre
so practice what you preach

>>719146568
on your PC maybe.

>>719146547
ah, so you are retarded too, that make sense. (I own both a PS4 and a gaming PC, so I can play DC on both platform)

>>719146667
Traversal stutter isn't something that appears or goes away on a rig-by-rig basis. It's a fundamental engine issue with streaming assets that devs either solve or don't that affects everyone. See SW Jedi Survivor, Dead Space, Returnal, etc.

UE5 and NVIDIA have been an absolute DISASTER for gaming.

>>719141190
eye cancer

>>719146619
I think you need glasses if you think an upscaler looks better

>>719146730
>See SW Jedi Survivor, Dead Space, Returnal,
no thanks.

>>719146753
well then, blame AMD too for focusing so much on console that they let jewnidia fuck everything up on the PC platform without a fight

Another future victory for Unreal Engine 5:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQsgKPKK7Bw

>>719146794
You sound like a luddite who hasn't looked at any of this stuff in the last 5 years. There are countless pixel-perfect and objective, lossless comparisons of them out there. Upscalers have come a long way from FSR/DLSS 1-2. DLSS4 Quality looks significantly better than TAA+native 99% of the time at 1440p and above. It has its issues but I mean so does every single other AA method.

>>719106284 (OP)
>struggling to hit 60fps with a 5090 and 9800x3d
>maintaining a smooth 60 with a 3060(with old drivers), an undervolted r5 3600 with pbo turned off, 1080p, medium settings and LDSS on Performance
Only problem I had to deal with was Steam Streaming Sound drivers causing problems for some reason. Game runs as smooth as butter.

>>719146954
Whatever jenson your cards are crap and your upscalers look bad

>>719146667
Nope. On every PC. I could tell you where every single loading transition is. For example, there is one right here near the start of the game at the top of the steps that lead to the start from the throne room. Run up these steps and back to the rail tram. Every time you get to the top of these steps you will drop frames.

>>719147014
>waaaaaah ur a shill
Dumb faggot, I shit on Nvidia and called them kikes in my very first post just so you wouldn't try this dumbassery. I can shit in the company's throat while also acknowledging valid technological progress. Direct your hate better, to more deserving things.

https://youtu.be/3nfEkuqNX4k?si=3zgxMumHxJr33kNG&t=652

Look at this timestamp and tell me DLSS4 isn't better than native. I don't give a fuck if you buy a DLSS4 card nigger, in fact I think you SHOULDN'T because they're overpriced, worthless, and no modern games are largely trash. But DLSS4 is still a massive technological leap.

>>719146753
What exactly has Nvidia done here that AMD aren't also guilty of? it just seems like a lot of misdirection when you could be blaming both Epic Games and the developers who use Unreal Engine. I understand hating gameworks tied features and all of that stuff. Less so with whats going on in this scenario. There's no discernible reason why the performance is so bad as to it being tied to any GPU manufacturer specifically. What we're seeing is just horribly unoptimized shit. Maybe that's being used to push framegen. But there's other games on more optimized engines that make use of framegen anyway.

>>719146998
>I hate shit but thankfully for me I cooked it before eating it
I see...

>>719147045
that's every game ever tho. It's either a loading screen, a stutter, or a convenient long empty corridor where your maching seems to work a lot for no reasons.

>>719146998
>1080p
>dlss performance
Jesus christ, post a screenshot. That must look fucking horrendous lmfao

>>719147071
>SAAAR I did the needful

Don't care your shit sucks

>>719147165
You're trying way too hard to fit in newfag. Tone it down will ya

>>719147130
That's not true... I played Horizon Forbidden West and God of War Ragnarok and did not drop a single frame in the entire game. Truly, the most perfect ports I've ever played. Lies of P is very close, too.

>>719147189
You're a poojeet and you stink like the ganges

>>719147103
Whomstve started pushing all this fake frame and fake resolution shit huh? Whomstve sold it as a shortcut for development huh?????

So basically, the game runs perfectly well at 1080p and 2k with 55-60 fps, but it has bigger frame drops in 4k?
Sounds good to me, imagine being retarded to even play on 4k.

>>719146934
Cool lighting, cinematic atmosphere, but notice how the NPC animations still jerk around like they're puppets dipped in molasses. Unreal Engine 5 keeps winning in screenshots and trailers but in motion? Just glorified tech demo tier most of the time. Wake me up when someone actually ships a full game on UE5 that doesn’t run like a toaster trying to render a Pixar movie.

>>719147108
I never said I hate the game. Game is good. I will buy it as soon as I see an MGS4 Meryl replacement mod for the game.

>>719106284 (OP)
Stop being so poor geez
Imagine not buying experimental cpu in 2025

I have no way to prove this but I'm pretty sure that the 30FPS/60FPS toggle just enables frame gen

>>719106284 (OP)
I'm on 9070 XT, 4K with FSR4 Performance (OptiScaler) and had to tone Global Illumination and Shadows to High, but I run at rock solid 60 fps, except for the fucking bees.

>>719147478
>>719147108
eat*

>>719147281
If framegen is some inconsequential thing being used in other game engines that have actually optimized games running on them (in which you also don't need to use it on because the performance numbers are still sufficient) then this theory leads nowhere. It's just a shit engine the industry made the mistake of switching too. I mean there's no way of getting around the fact that they knew lumen was going to be a big performance cost on GPUs and hence this half baked idea of faked frames was considered.

>>719146954
>TAA+native
notice how the kike never shows unsmeared images
>so does every single other AA method
fuck temporal methods. they wouldn't be needed if it weren't for dithering, low sample effects and broken specular (all of which became the norm after TAA)

>>719147647
TAA isn't something you can turn off in most modern games, anon. Complain about TAA all you'd like. It sucks. DLSS4 improves upon it in literally every way. Slapping MSAA into games just wouldn't work. Just supersample if you're that much of an autistic purist.

>>719127538
hehehe

>>719147613
You have a stronger willpower than I. I would see this shit for 3 seconds before turning the game off and emulating the original at 5x res

>>719146934
there is nothing impressive there

>>719147772
>this shit tastes slightly less rancid!
fuck off you kike

>>719147613
>this is the game that needs a high-end gpu to play

>>719147832
You luddite europoors are so easy to spot lol, I find your brand of irrational anger hilarious. You guys hold insane vendettas for the smallest shit

>>719147647
>notice how the kike never shows unsmeared images
Modern games without a temporal layer look unusably bad. Nobody shows unsmeared images because nobody who actually compared this stuff thought the "unsmeared image" look in any way acceptable. If tech outlets suddenly started showing comparisons to AA off or to old AA methods, most people would wonder why there are so many rabid contrarians pretending this looks acceptable.

>>719106284 (OP)
>8k
>4k
theres your issue stop using gay meme resolutions

>>719147613
You lowered the graphics didnt you, you sneaky cunt

>>719107234
marketing jeetnigger update your script

>>719147946
>heres your 1080p bro

>>719147946
>stop using gay resolution, play in 480p instead like a chad
kek

>>719147916
you mean people would realise that the industry is fucked and games both look and run worse compared to the prior decade

The enshittification continues. Shitty over priced gpu gimmicks and shitty engines designed for the lowest of low-cost slavecoders to check boxes and pump out something that will run just well enough to sell. Thanks Jensen and Tim Sweeney!

>>719147958
Of course I did, I said in the beginning I was playing it on medium with DLSS Performance at 1080p >>719146998

>>719148045
>something that will run just well enough to sell
you are quite generous here

>>719148045
>run just well enough to sell.
Nobody is happy with a 5090 not reaching 60fps. That's not 'well enough' but something being severely wrong. That's like going back to console GPUs. Well it may as well be considered that because UE5 games look like shit anyway.

>>719148040
>you mean people would realise that the industry is fucked and games both look and run worse compared to the prior decade
People would also realize that what was considered an acceptable rendering mode 10 years ago would be considered visually glitchy and unstable if it came out today. If TAA got deleted today and we went back to MSAA (does nothing in deferred rendering except turn your game into a slideshow) or FXAA (does nothing) people would complain more than they do with TAA today.

70$ for a remake that run like shit
jeje

>>719111568
>GTA6
>will be "console exclusive" for 6months/a year
>will come out on PC
>will then get an enhanced edition a year later
>idiots like you will triple dip.

>>719148192
or you know, just run it in native full resolution and you wouldn't need to have to add shitty AA all other the place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60nBfS2ZQ0A&t=26s

When you really think about it the gamers are the ones that are wrong here for having too high of expectations.

Really the game runs perfectly fine. Gamers are just too entitled now and need to be taken down a peg or two.

>raiden is a white guy that was born in a 99.999% black country
>sniper wolf is a blond hair blue eyed middle easterner
>paz, chico, and chico's sister are all light skinned south americans
>naomi implies that she's indian with tan skin, but is clearly a white woman
unironically, what is kojimas problem?

>>719148457
you know how people can check the game out on youtube, being played in real time
it looks fine and as long as you spent over 300€ on a gpu past 5 years you too can play it at ok fps

>>719148192
>visually glitchy
we went back to fucking dithering. temporal aa is on par with composite cables on CRT (except now you get ghosting too)
please wake me up from this nightmare

>>719148510
ive checked and it looks a blurry mess with ghosting

>>719148035
>>719148039
for me its 144p
pure kino

And it won't have any of these features.

>>719148473
>or you know, just run it in native full resolution
TAA runs at native resolution. I know you've seen techlets online convincing you it's not native (because they don't understand why it looks softer than MSAA of the same resolution) but you are running a game at native resolution when using TAA.

>>719148035
what's the hold up here? how can it not get 60fps at 1080/medium graphics?

>autosave scumming
Getting Foxhound rank feels hollow and soulless

>>719148658
It's a 4060, anon. That card's raw power has always been total shit. The 1060 was the last xx60 card expected to run native 1080p, the 2060-3060-4060-5060 are all intended to use DLSS at 1080p.

>>719148682
You paid 80 bucks for a 3 hour game.

>>719148693
truly the mustard race

>>719141190
Ah kuritsu gami, game looked like a blurry mess no matter the settings I tried.
Is crazy to me how good MGS5 looks by comparison with most modern games.

>>719147808
rough

>>719148641
My point is, you don't really need any AA method when running in high end resolution. Its because devs aren't prioritizing image quality/clarity first and foremost that they end up with a scene that is too bloated to be rendered correctly at high resolution with a decent framerate, and then of course, they reduce the resolution and start mixing shit up with disgusting AA method that ruins everything.

>>719141190
This specifically is an FSR problem. Lumen is dogshit but what you're looking at in that webm is the textbook example of FSR2-3's disoclussion fizzle. Same thing happens in KCD2 and that game does not have Lumen.

>>719149074
>My point is, you don't really need any AA method when running in high end resolution.
The 'high end resolution' that eliminates need for antialiasing is probably 8k.

>>719126000
the gears remake also crashes to desktop and bricks itself if you dare to change the settings, steamies are still spamming clown emotes and trying to defend it in the comments of negative reviews calling this out
Do not trust a steamie for anything but retardation and rimming shit devs.

>>719126000
what's stopping a company from just using their own keys and giving themselves good reviews?
they can generate infinite game keys if they wanted to

>>719149196
No need to go that high, you can go in between. (like 1440p help on 1080p) Wipeout Omega run in 4K native and look perfect on a PS4 PRO.

>>719149369
The pixel count of 4k on its own is not enough to address temporal aliasing in modern games.
>Wipeout Omega
Graphically lightweight game from nearly a decade ago, proves my point.

>>719149439
>temporal aliasing

>>719149615
Yes, temporal aliasing. Are you confused?
https://www.cryengine.com/docs/static/engines/cryengine-5/categories/23756816/pages/26872518
>SMAA is an efficient post-processing based technique that can reliably detect and smooth edges in an image. While it works very well in removing jaggies and staircase artifacts from edges, it does not solve the problem of temporal aliasing, where individual pixels and entire edges can flicker when in motion. To address those issues, CRYENGINE has pioneered the use of highly efficient temporal filters that take information from previous frames to improve the stability of subpixel features that would otherwise crawl and flicker in a very obvious way.
Go read the documentation of any modern engine and it'll tell you what temporal aliasing is. You need a temporal component to your renderer to address temporal aliasing, something like SMAA only addresses geometric aliasing.

>>719149439
depend of the composition of the scene and the way it's rendered, that's why WO is a prime example for that.
>Graphically lightweight game from nearly a decade ago, proves my point.
that's the point I'm trying to make here, graphically lightweight or not, the end result is absolute gorgeous.
Also, it's a proper good remaster (compared to this mess of MGS3 Delta) with a lot of 4K assets improvement (mostly texture).
Which prove that image quality should be what devs should aim instead more than anything.

>>719106514
1440p baby 240+ fps all day long

>>719106954
this is embarrassing. I have 2 friends who were acting like anyone who dares speak their distaste for ue5 slop remakes is some incel loser.

>>719148682
>Play time: 2h 52m 34s
>Price: 80 eurodollars
do kojidrones really?

>>719106284 (OP)
modern gaming in a nutshell

>>719148693
jesus christ I weep for modern PC gaming

>>719106915
60 looks like dog shit to me now and 110 is pushing it
t. 180hz freesync chad

>>719134186
>Doom Eternal
>RDR2
>Late gen PSR games (that ran just fine on units from 2014)
Gee, I wonder what could've changed in the last 5 years that caused games to boast egregious system requirements all of a sudden. Can't be poor optimization!

Maybe I should turn on ray tracing or something?
>Forest area is now lit up like a dance floor
Ah, yes. That did the trick!

>>719150385
>PSR games
PSFOUR!

>>719146650
Don't even mention if you're trying to make a point about in house engines. I swear the weaseling around with your words you did there was just fucking pathetic. You're making a point about in house engines, don't in the same sentence mention GTA.

>>719106915
I could live with 100fps for the rest of my life but idk, I can tell when I'm playing at around 70, 100, 144. The motion clarity when panning around quickly is an easy way to tell.

>>719106954
is this at max graphics?

>>719135028
>foolish anon, realism is what games are for!

runs perfectly on my 4080 super and 7800x3d

>>719106284 (OP)
is the amd fucking him?

>actually ugly as shit aside from general rendering
>all assets look bad
>music sounds worse than ps2
>voices sound worse than ps2
>controls are weird, worse than ps2 mostly(moving while aiming is nice though)
>cardboard box equip animation is clunky as fuck
>new character models suck

I am not a fan and recommend new players play it on PCSX2 or PS2

>>719106284 (OP)
might be a hottake but i rather they completely remake the game make the level seamless instead of just the same game but looks better
if i want the original experience i could just boot up the original game

>>719125680
DLSS4 cannot fix the ghosting of software Lumen, it's a separate issue. You can only fix it by forcing Nvidia's hardware raytracing to replace software Lumen.

>>719113795
>used goods
your tiny consolecuck SPECker can't even penetrate the 30 fps hymen

>>719112113
Are you... no, it can't be... that the retard writing like this... is actually below average intelligence.
Castrate yourself, then euthanize yourself to increase the average global IQ by at LEAST a standard deviation.

Game looks like something from 8-10 years ago but wants massive power. What is going with gaming

>>719152349
>playing on low settings

The game with levels this small has no excuse to run as poor as it does

>even with dlss

FUCKING

YIKES

Metal Gear Solid: Frame eater

The fact that there are people defending this kind of optimization is absolutely crazy, paying $80+ for a game that can't even keep a stable 60FPS on an RTX 5090 has to be the biggest middle finger to the gamers

>>719146124
You can fix most of these issues in the game with Ultra Plus.

>>719109287
9800X3D is single CCD, there's no parking issue here

>>719155308
kek

>>719142623
>But honestly they don't even care about games anymore since AI is where they get all their money.
This

>>719155171
I'm playing with everything maxed out.

>>719134186
THANK YOU

>>719141413
>most men can work those places, they choose not to
HAha oh shit nigger
OK, I have $250k sitting here to do a job that you can do, and you choose not to take it, Make a "doc" about why you are now poor. fuck you

>>719155324
Right now it even cannot go above 60FPS.
Feels like PC port from PS2.

>>719134734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik3deWOVCHI

This reminds me how in my country we get waiters/cooks that are underpaid, asked to effectively do everything by themselves at times by the restaurant owner (cook,serve,clean) and they excuse saying that keeping up a restaurant is expensive....then my answer is simple, yes it is expensive then if you can't afford it without cutting corners, simply don't.

>>719106284 (OP)
>playing in meme resolutions
I have a 5800X3D and a basic RTX4070 (not ti or super) and I get 60fps stable on everything high, because I play at a modest 1080p.
You really don't need more than that for a game like this.

>>719107096
>light leaking through walls
>no shadows
>no reflections
>cant tell if things are made out of concrate or metal or what ever

Amazing

>>719155235
Jesus. They cant even use the excuse that its semi-open world.
A 2025 game remake could easily remove the original loading screens in between each area and have them all connected.

>>719155810
>RTX4070 (not ti or super) and I get 60fps stable on everything high
interesting. mind posting screens? this is not typical of what others are saying.
unless you are using DLSS (which would make it a lower rez upscaled to 1080p)

>>719155628
>10 billion polygons for mud

>>719144523
Isn't that the Return to Form Deus Ex game?

>>719129280
if you kojimbo (creatividad) was here he'd use his own engine, fox or whatever he's using for death stranding (i know it's not his per se)

>>719106284 (OP)
RX 9070 XT
no problems here

>>719155867
Wouldn't that fuck with the scale of the game? The loading screens don't just hide loading times but also hours of snake just walking with nothing happening. They'd have to either make a big open world like V that's mostly empty or have the same issue as Monster Hunter starting with World where the maps feel claustrophobic compared to previous games because every zone has to be connected by a 50m corridor making the map feel less like a jungle and more like someone's backyard

>>719156313
>but also hours of snake just walking with nothing happening
ah i hadn't considered that.

>>719147916
>Modern games without a temporal layer look unusably bad
Bro, there's a lot more than just the lack of AA going on there. The foliage is designed to literally not work without TAA. It's the same thing with hair and fur. The models don't actually have all those vertices, which the final render pass cannot figure out whether to display this or that one, and so it choose randoms ones from frame to frame.

>>719156297
>no problems here
So it looks good? And justifies the demand on your hardware?

>>719153330
this is incredibly ugly. kojima has a great eye. idk how many polygons you put on snake, this looks like it was directed by AI. soulless

>>719127415
>16.67 ms
DLSS is quality, framegen is on, and Reflex/low-latency is off
Right?

>>719156448
it's a shitty UE 5 game what do you want exactly? it runs at 60 fps at 1440p

>>719116070
>soldiers to capture
>animals to hunt and capture
>can destroy installations, capture outposts so they can't be called for backups in missions
>weapons to find
>can walk into a boss fight without knowing
Calling MGSV a barren open world game is a regurgitated reddit opinion

Works on my machine!

>>719156673
It literally looks worse than MGSV and performs worse while having PS2 tier level design instead of the PS4 openshit 5 had.
>>719107885

>>719156673
Make your mind up are there problems or not.

>>719155810
>I get 60fps stable
I already know you are lying. It's UE5 game.

>>719106284 (OP)
buy an add

>>719144183
>Most of the important games were on custom engines
>Orly?
Yes?
2004: Far Cry, Doom 3, Half-Life 2, Chronicles of Riddick, Halo 2, Silent Hill 3, Metal Gear Solid 3, Painkiller.

It's kinda fucked up I get better performance in Ground Zeroes 8K than MGS Delta at 1440p.

how the fuck did they achieve this?
the game is a joke by todays standards. ultra tiny enviroments. no complex simulations. still runs like that. how?!

>>719157110
It's honestly impressive.
What's even more baffling is that they started making this game on UE4, according to datamining.

>>719135134
>Why can't they just make a game engine?
but they only used it on MGSV and PES

>>719106284 (OP)
holy SOVL
glad they finally fixed this game. it was never good in the first place. dont like it? go play the original

>>719157110
>leave cave
>enter orange area
>lose at least 15fps for no reason despite me walking slowly as fuck

>>719110086
Get used to it, it's going to stay for many years. Normies love the "cinematic" flat look.

>>719157702
>when you realize the orange filter is a trillion tiny polygons
T E C K O N O L O G I A

>having to turn down to 1440 on a 5090
What's even the point?

>>719134186
This, it's funny because i've been doing this for years now

>i see new game
>look at the graphics
>look at the requirements
>if it's both worse than a 2015~2018 game then i simple don't buy it.

>>719157905
genuinely feels that way, this is retarded lol

reminder that all of this started because nvidia thought it's better to make every single consumer calculate the lighting instead of a corporation paying people to do it

uh... bros what the fuck is this???

>>719158158
100% camo for people who bought this game

>>719155950
Sorry about the clumsy paint edit.
I'm still right in the beginning of the game, I dunno if the environment will get more resource hogging further on.

>>719156913
>my draconian PC cannot handle a single UE5 game so no one can
retard, you don't need a high tech PC to run UE5 games at 1080p

>>719129280
Nah, it's a shitdevs issue. A lot of popular games that run well.(The Finals) For example is unreal 5, you just never hear anyone talking about that because they don't even realise it that it's unreal 5. Unreal is a great engine, it's just so easy to develop for that it attracts the lowest of denominators, and those are the ones that can't be arsed to give a single shit about optimisation. Because that actually requires technical expertise and a understanding of the engine proper.

>>719158532
The finals is using Nvidia's custom fork of unreal which for some reason doesn't suck nearly as much as the standard branch.

>>719158524
Faggot. UE5 always stutter so you can shove your "stable FPS" you know where.

>>719158643
Probably because it's gatekept and only decent devs are allowed to develop with it.

>>719158470
>dlss
fair enough as long as you're enjoying it. but would recommend emulating the original

>>719158648
I posted a screenshot of my settings and you can see the framerate in the lower right corner
>>719158470

>>719158710
Notice the Upscaling Quality: Native

>>719158763
>>719158714
>>719158710

>>719158470
>1080p
>DLSS
Bragging that your 4070 can play the game at 900p lol.

>>719158882
amdkeks can't even play it at 720p

>>719158882
>native
And I wasn't bragging, I was saying that by playing in 1080p it runs fine.

Struggling to -
oh wait it's fine.

>>719156843
a game being shit doesn't mean it performs terrible retard
but the faggot in the OP with a 5090 does have problems

>>719107234
>Blaming FSR for lumen fuckery
Bravo!

>>719158954
1440p
works on my machine tech illiterate xwitter faggot

>>719128409
Btw this isn't 100% true. Games with their own internal framerate limiter work as a way of throttling the frame gen while having super low input lag and no odd frame pacing behavior. For instance, Portal RTX of Half-Life 2 RTX. If you open the console and type in fps_max and pick a number based on your monitor's refresh rate and frame gen multiplier, you can get very good results. For me with a 5090 and a 4k 144hz gsync monitor, I can even have playable input lag setting the limiter to 34 fps with 4x frame gen so essentially my effective visual framerate is about 136 to stay in gsync range and my input lag still somehow feels better than you'd expect for 34 real frames per second.

What's really fucking annoying is shit like Witcher 3 Next Gen version where in the early days they actually let you set the game's fps limiter in the menu alongside frame gen and it worked perfectly. At some point, these pollack retards fucking disabled the limiter if frame gen is enabled for no fucking reason. The best part? Cyberpunk 2077, on the same exact engine, still lets you use their fps limiter even with the latest version of frame gen to support 3x or 4x so there was no excuse for them to disable the internal frame limiter.

IT GETS BETTER. You USED to be able to comfortably toggle frame gen on or off in the game and be perfectly fine. You can still do so in Witcher 3 HOWEVER in Cyberpunk they made it so toggling it on from a cold boot setting of off would require a restart. IT DIDN'T USED TO REQUIRE A RESTART AND NO OTHER MFG GAME DOES. Holy fuck are pollacks incompetent retards. Infuriating.

>>719158158
Just so you know, it may look like "Rainbow Flag" pants that I'm wearing today, but I am not a gay.

>dlss at 1080p

you literally run the game at 712p in quality mode and at 540p in performance lmfao#
actual fucking clowns

>>719159541
Cyberpunk framegen felt extremely smooth and pleasant compared to some other games, input lag was barely noticeable for me.
I still preferred to play with a tad lower settings and native framerate but it was surprising to see how well it worked.
If I was a couch gamer I would definitely have used it.

>>719159675
>>719158861
>NATIVE
you fucking retards cannot read

>9800x3d

I wouldn't never in a trillion years buy a AMDjeet CPU

>>719159810
>he doesn't know what DLSS is
shut the fuck up retarded monkey

>>719159871
stop baiting you fucking monkey

>>719159958

you're brown and play the game at 360p

shut the fuck up retarded brown monkey

>>719159748
I think it's definitely better suited for controller gaming as you can't feel input lag nearly as badly on there as you can with mouse. That said, targeting 138 fps on a 144hz gsync monitor using 2x frame gen (or smooth motion) with Reflex automatically capping the game to 69 internal fps, can feel really amazing by itself. Nearly indistinguishable from native 100+ fps and looks almost identical save for a few blemishes. It's 3x and 4x frame gen where things start to get ugly if you don't uncap framerate entirely and let your card run full tilt. The visual blemishes stand out a lot more with these for some odd reason. I'd be really surprised if they go beyond 4x in the future. Honestly I'd be surprised if we ever see a card like 4090 again which doubles the RT performance over its prior gen equivalent. We're reaching the end of the line for transistors and companies like Nvidia know this, hence the push for fake resolutions and frames. It's the only thing they have left. It's bad times ahead.