Thread 719109775

holy shit this is harder than any boss created by fromsoft
and you are telling me there will be harder shit in silksong?
soulbabs are in for a tough nightmare

>>719109775 (OP)
>he doesn't know about Markoth

>>719109775 (OP)
either you havent played any souls game, or youre trash at hollow knight. radiance is ez, absrad is just dealing with randomness in the first phase.

>>719110467
post 1cc p5 clear

>>719109775 (OP)
Beat absolute radiance first time btw

>>719110020
dash slash
>>719110467
i recently first or second tried almost every ds3 boss
you honestly just roll inside the attacks in the second half of that game and estus is so forgiving. its easier than ds1/ds2 bosses which are in turn much easier than the hardest of hollow knights'

>>719109775 (OP)
Genuine question as I'm playing HK for the first time now, is it harder or easier than Eigong

>>719112334
depends on how much you struggle at simon says where you dont have to think and every attack has a canned default answer
if you struggle with that, eigong is harder
if you dont struggle with that or you already played sekiro, eigong is much easier

the boss in op's pic specifically is an outlier though, its the weaker version of that fight. Half the people find her comically easy and the other half find her pretty hard so you cant really gauge

>>719112735
I see, so I'm guessing the harder version is going to be reliably harder than nine sus
Cool

>>719112867
Kinda? Absolute Radience comes with the context of the boss rush before it and the equips you put on, compared to Eigong the fight could be harder or easier depending on your build or how you handle under pressure

>>719109775 (OP)
Radiant Markoth is harder

>>719109775 (OP)
>soulbabs are in for a tough nightmare
>implying souls fans didn’t enjoy the shit out of Hollow Knight when it came out during the souls drought between DS3 and ER

>>719113445
des/ds1/ds2 fans probably really like hollow knight
same goes for most of ds3/ER fans, but a lot of adhd zoomzoom secondaries will dislike the speed and nonlinear progression. And early bosses like Soul Master requiring good movement instead of just rolling inside attacks

>>719113234
dash slash
literally just do that, dash slash. it has a ton of range
discovering this instantly made me go from struggling with radkoth to beating him hitless when i did my all bindings run

>>719109775 (OP)
>Tfw you will never get all the cheevos because you are too old for this absurd pixel perfect execution shit
Feels bad
Even I was able to 100% Nine Sols but this shit is just brutal

>>719109775 (OP)
I gave up on trying to do the Pantheon of Hallownest organically and just used the invincibility glitch to get through it. I usually would have just not bothered since there's no real point in ding it in the first place if I'm not going to partake in the challenge but I wanted to see the final ending that I've never gotten before since Silksong is finally coming out. Honestly though I'm not too bothered since I think the Pantheons are the genuine worst part of the entire game. Boss gauntlets where you need to restart the entire thing upon death is not my idea of fun challenge.

>>719114260
Hollow Knight bosses just have too mcuh going on for me. I can deal with quick bosses that have a lot of move variation like Pure Vessel and NKG but ones that just have random mob spawns or projectiles coming from off screen or worst of all the limited floor space where you need to do platforming during the boss just absolutely filter me completely. Had the same issue with Rabi Ribi. Just too much shit going on.

SEX WITH MY GIRLFRIEND (male), PHANTOM, WHILST HORNET WATCHES.

>>719114086
>the speed
What speed? It’s one of the slowest games in the genre

>>719110628
>no reply
kek

>>719114294
Pantheon of hallownest is just 20+ minutes of filler doing the easiest bosses in the game before you can tackle the two or three that actually matter right at the end.
I felt no joy when I finally beat it, just emptiness

>>719115585
thats what i meant, dummy

>>719115873
post scriptum
i think its funny how one of the slowest metroid-likes has by far the most dynamic enemy/bosses in the genre at some point
Its so miserable playing a game like Ori 2, having such a monster of a player moveset, and having almost every boss be so ridiculously slow and anemic

>>719115760
Yeah. I know it triggers people's autism cause they need things to be as hard as humanly possible but I think I would have genuinely really enjoyed the Pantheons if they just put checkpoints in between them and sprinkled the harder bosses throughout instead of all

>>719115953
it's the same problem as action games that focus on giving the player 20 million epic combos but forget to have good enemy design, like DMC3 and it's 7 enemy types with two moves each

>>719115585
>>719115873
>>719115953
Hornet looking like she moves about at the speed of sound compared to pussy knight is genuinely the biggest reason I think I'm going to like Silksong more than Hollow Knight. I replayed Hollow Knight this week and I'll be real I don't think it has aged well. It feels SOOOOOOOOOOOOO clunky and slow to control.

>>719109775 (OP)
>forced fandom wars
Kill yourself nigger

>>719115953
They have involved movesets but I’d hardly call them dynamic. Most fights involve you rigidly dodging attacks and whacking away at the boss because they don’t respond to your attacks.
They’re better than other metroidvania bosses because those games don’t care and that’s not the focus, but by action game standards they are very lacking

>>719109775 (OP)
About to play this
What am I in for?
Is it really harder than Dark Souls

>>719116320
Honestly you should never play a metroidvania for the combat anyway. I blame all the Dark Soulsfags who lump onto every action game making how Dark Souls like it is the only thing the game is about. HK has some really good exploration helped by the phenomenal art direction and level design.

>>719109775 (OP)
I love the Radiance's intro.

>>719116397
Its piss easy if you are not a zoom zoom on adhd and actually realize you have to wait for enemy attack, dodge it and then hit.
Once you have most charms you can facetank everything just like in dark souls and win

>>719116397
It's easy outside of pantheons

I just lost a good steel soul run by double hit dying on that dumb easy greenpath crystal dash spot. I didn't bench warp when I hit two masks like I should have FUCK.
I Steel Heart'd the swtich version but haven't yet on Steam. I kinda want to give up. I am, I don't want to burn out before Skong.
Calling it here

>>719116134
yeah basically
hollow knight gets to mog by having so much more flow across moves on both sides
>>719116320
what do you consider better? Specially for sidescrollers. I used to think that until i actually started playing more action games and looped back around to thinking stuff i considered childish was actually among the peak
Pure Vessel for example, he can at least parry you, his attacks are pretty dependant on context. And theres a lot of dynamism in defense because theres more than one right answer, and your situation after dodging an attack might determine what you have to do next. In comparison most action game bosses feel so canned AND these days theyre overly reliant on iframe dash or deflect shit

Unironically souls games are a good example. Elden Ring bosses are definitely more dynamic specially with the jumping and ducking under, but practically everything in the preceding souls trilogy feels less dynamic when its time for a straightforward duel, though i appreciate the poise mechanics

>>719116870
I don’t play side scrollers for boss fights. If I want good boss fights I’d play something like KH2

>>719116087
>>719115760
i think you guys are just doing it with the wrong mindset, just practice the hard bosses in the hall of gods first until youre consistent, and then have fun with the full gauntlet and learning cool tricks to optimize damage output against easy bosses
Only p5 with all bindings is actually miserable, and dare i say 20x harder, but it also made me learn so many cool tricks against all bosses in the game. Did you know you can make your projectile spell hit the massive moss charger 3 times by dashing behind it as soon as possible?

>>719117023
i havent played kh2, can you show me its best or most dynamic bossfight?

>>719109775 (OP)
radiant floorless markoth is still my kryptonite

i have to this day not beaten the pantheon of hallownest. fuck that shit

>>719114260
>MUH CHEEEVOS
Faggot

>>719117095
for radiant markoth people are using the grub charm cheese
for pantheon of hallownest people are getting gud

i cheated the entire boss rush thing just to see what happens.

Hallownest pantheon should just been the hardest bosses

>>719117035
I did that when I went through Pantheons 1-4. I completely all of them. It was not fun. I'm not doing it again for the 5th. YOU may find it fun but that's not fun for me. Is it a skill issue? Maybe but not all content was meant to be enjoyed by all people and I do not fucking enjoy those Pantheons. Though I generally enjoy challenging content but I just think endurance challenges are just straight ass. I'd rather do one super beefed up boss over and over again until I can beat it where it takes like 2 minutes to retry compared to needing to spend half an hour to get back to the only difficult bosses.

>>719117265
People say that but honestly eventually you get so fucking good everything until markoth is such a non issue it takes like 12minutes to just retry the relevant stuff.

>>719117035
>Did you know you can make your projectile spell hit the massive moss charger 3 times by dashing behind it as soon as possible?
No, i will pogo when its dashing and i will hit it in the ass when its jumping. Yes i will fight moss charger for 10minutes with all bindings. Yes im that retarded

>>719117308
yeah i just didnt really see it that way
P5 was something i only tried twice before absrad, i spent a while in the hall of gods doing PV and NKG, and thought it was fun to cut through bosses
Then i just practiced absrad, PV, NKG, GPZ etc for a while in the hall of gods and just did a final run, though it was cool

The only way i saw it as an 'endurance challenge' was doing All Bindings, which is actually an absolute pain in the ass and id say about 20~ times harder than just doing P5 normally. But at least it feels good in retrospect and it made me learn a lot of cool shit about the game

>>719109775 (OP)
If imbecile like forsen can do some stuff so can 99.99% of /v/

>>719117583
Just spam slash against it when its charging towards you so its indefinitely pushed back

>>719117262
You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.

>>719117735
You cant do that with all bindings, you would know that if you actually did it.

>>719117481
yeah all the pre-Markoth shit is a blur to me, the only one i still randomly lose health to is Grey Prince Zote because he's just so chaotic and i dont have the patience for his shit
by the time i reach AbsRad i'm too annoyed to keep dodging perfectly

>>719117653
You're free to disagree as you please. It doesn't change anything. I don't want to do that. It's not fun.

I find hard games boring and tedious at my current age. I liked them when I was younger. Now I just prefer movie games like FF7 Remake and Silent Hill 2 Remake and the Resident Evil Remakes and Expedition 33.
t.35 year old boomer

>>719117091
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMMp0rwPVmQ
I get that it doesn't make sense for every boss to stagger when you attack them, but I hate it when every boss just ignores you while you attack. That's why I like bosses like this and Yozora from KH3. Looking for and taking advantage of openings between attacks to get a combo off feels good
Helps that the music is way better too

>>719109775 (OP)
Platformers boss are always harder than 3d ones

>>719109775 (OP)
>he didn't give a delicate flower to the godseeker before beating p5
you didn't beat the game

>>719117653
I was stuck in a loop where I thought absolute radiance was already a lazy and shit fight so I just wanted the thing over and done with rather than doing practice attempts

>>719118131
Gratz, you are exactly who sony is aiming for but sadly you dont actually play video games

>>719118131
I don't mind challenging content but I find the specific challenge presented by the 5th Pantheon to be more tedium than fun. It's not even the gauntlet aspect I find annoying cause I did the speed run challenge for Furi where you need to beat the entire game on the hardest difficulty in under like an hour and 15 minutes where if you die even once you need to restart the whole thing.

>>719118408
Its the fucking last phase being actually a gimmick where you have to dash underneath her hit and dash back until it dies. Died like 4 times before i said fuck it ill watch a video and then 1st tried it.

>>719111319
>Beat absolute radiance first time btw

true pantheon autism is to try it hitless and spend months losing runs to shit like Marmu and Traitor Lord and never seeing any tangible improvement or progress.

>>719109775 (OP)
>holy shit this is harder than any boss created by fromsoft
it depends on the restrictions you put yourself

>>719114086
There's no rolling, faggot

Pure Vessel and Absolute Radiance are really hard and they put them at the end of the boss rush full of easy bosses (except for NKG) so good thing you have the basement to just grind them out I guess.

>>719117481
ok, then they should a made an extra pantheon where you fight every boss and made an in between one where you only fight the good ones, lock the truest ending behind the one that's good and let the autistic have their fun against the shit bosses.

>>719115048
Based.

>>719117831
You literally can, its just worse. Doing that without quick slash simply requires better timing and maybe walking slightly backwards if your timing isnt perfect
I can go record it right now if you want
>>719118072
Im just sharing my point of view, no need to get autistic over it

Are the Godhome endings even canon because that entire area just feels like a fever dream.

>>719118707
easier to just say: hey here fight all bosses, than saying here are the hardest bosses in the game
because some inbreds will always complain that something isnt hard or something isnt easy

>>719118881
well i tried like 7 times without charms and could never make it work but idk ill see again

>>719118891
According to Team Cherry, all endings are simultaneously canon

Honestly they should’ve put Pure Vessel at the end of Path of Pain instead and then just had pantheon 4 be all the dream bosses + vessel + AR for the endings.
Keep pantheon 5 up top anyway.

>>719118195
yeah, the lack of poise and enemy reactions to being hit is what i consider to be the only unreactive part of HK
the reason i consider it more dynamic though is because, compared to what you showed for example, it feels so much less trivial and interesting to defend from enemy attacks. almost everything that boss is doing can be boiled down to the same thing
>>719118525
theres plenty of options to deal with that phase, you can play as you please
just dashing under and striking is the 'safest' idea but its also kind of really slow compared to hammering her

>>719119007
>all endings are simultaneously canon

>>719118653
Thats literally what i said you autist
>>719119035
i assume you mean there should have been a checkpoint at the end of path of pain right??
Having PV at the end of that gauntlet without a checkpoiint would be completely deranged

>>719109775 (OP)
Is this just the normal Radiance? Lol

Good luck anon

>>719112334
It's more like Lady Ethereal.

>>719119007
>>719119057
They didnt say the endings were simultaneously canon
What they said is that they are 'equally' canon, as in none of them take precedence over others, you just choose the one you like the most yourself. Its not some DX Infinity War time shit

>>719119125
Yeah. There’s checkpoints in the path anyway though, I remember the difficult part of the path was just that one hallway and I kept doing it over and over.

>>719118454
I just watch snoy movie games on youtube at 4x speed as they are too boring to play

>>719119226
the thing about PoP is that the final arena with the double kingsmoulds can literally just kill you and send you all the way back to the start

>>719119189
>What they said is that they are 'equally' canon, as in none of them take precedence over others, you just choose the one you like the most yourself.
See >>719119057 reaction

>>719119281
It's not even true anymore. Sealed sibling can't be the canon ending if Silksong is a sequel.

>>719112334
Easier. Eigong is bad hitbox incoherent anime-slash spam with a ridiculous healthpool. Lategame HK bosses have some quick attacks that might require precise positioning, but with intuitive telegraphing and patterns that you can adjust to quickly enough.

>>719118881
>Im just sharing my point of view, no need to get autistic over it
I'm just saying there's no way to just change my perspective on things and suddenly think it's the most fun thing ever. I am personally not built for that kind of gameplay so I don't mesh with it and so I wish it wasn't like that. This isn't a right or wrong situation it's just preference, there's no real reason to have it be more than that.

if silksong isn't a prequel then its existence is going to rule out at least one "equally canon" ending

>>719119270
Oh. Yeah I didn’t know that, it’s been a while since I played but I know I won that because I’d remember if I lost. I forgot they were there, seriously that one hallway at the top took up most of my time in the path.

>>719119647
>it was all in Hornet's head

>>719119813
It's not a prequel

>>719119813
How do you make knight "dying" alone, knight dying with hornet, and knight defeating the radiance, dying and hornet escaping with something else following her (presumed to be free of radiance HK himself) EQUALLY CANON

>>719120039
See >>719119928

>>719119959
Idk if ragebait or just being stupid i really cant tell.

Sequel as second installment, prequel as story

>>719119928
>>719120123
ill smack you in that fuckin head how about that

>>719120230
>it was all a dream because hornet is in purgatory

I never found soul master or his dream variant (soul tyrant?) that hard, I remember first trying them both and just finding the latter annoying because he has so much health. Besides Grimm I kept seeing complaints about him being the hardest dream boss but it’s just an HP sponge. White Defender was stronger honestly, especially with that ground slam move that’s near instant.

>>719120148
Can you just stop with the mental gymnastics. Literally nothing implies it's a prequel, take your meds.

>>719120039
It means either the information is outdated and they ARE going to have a singular canon ending or the connection to Hollow Knight will be nebulous enough that it doesn't confirm or deny any of them.

>>719120148
Then they would have used the word installment or entry. Sequel is always used to refer to a story taking place narratively after its predecessor.

>>719109775 (OP)
The worst part about Radiance is that it takes 19 seconds between the confirmation input and the actual fight in Godseeker.
>>719109775 (OP)
I'm going for Storm Lands this week anons, wish me luck.

isnt that fucking talk about all ending being canon just from before godhome? pretty sure that one is absolutely the only ending thats canon

>>719120148
The void is released with the true ending of Hollow Knight which is why voidlike beings like Phantom have appeared.
It's a sequel.

>>719119142
So pretty easy then
>>719119785
I dunno I think >>719112735 makes a good point about simon says. The hitboxes aren't that bad considering how extremely generous the parry hitbox is, and her healthpool isn't even much higher than the last miniboss in the game (Cixing has 5000, Eigong's phases are 5000/7500/5000 iirc)

>>719109775 (OP)
I know none of you will relate but I'm concerned that Silksong is going to be so easy for me it'll be absurdly boring. I booted up HK for the first time 6 years, straight into my completed Godhome save and second-tried Pure Vessel while learning the attack and dash timing again, first tried NKG, and first tried Absolute Radiance.
the combat in Silksong had better be significantly different because this dodge-and-hit gameplay is nothing to me anymore.

>>719120720
>>719120774
Yeah it makes the most sense for that end to be the canon one.

>>719120774
>>719120835
*ekhem* flower ending?

>>719110467
That's Absolute Radiance you tard and he is anything but easy.

>>719114294
On one hand youre a filtered faggot but on the other hand>>719115760 is 100% correct so i think youre justified. Hollow knight is a fine game but its bosses as a whole arnt challenging and its combat isnt interesting enough for a full boss rush to be a good idea. Should have just been the handful of story bosses at the very most.

>>719120536
mgs3 is the sequel to mgs2

>>719121220
Nobody calls MGS3 a sequel to 2.

>>719121107
Platform is small, it's basic Radiance.

>watch endings again
>radiance is shown in the very first one
how much fucking detail does this masterpiece have, i clocked 110 hours still probably missed shit ton

>>719119791
i wasnt trying to change your perspective dummy, i was just saying how i viewed it
>>719120720
i dont see any reason for godhome to be anything but the least canon, let alone the most canon
but theyre most definitely going with the route of "doesnt matter, just make your own headcanon, they all fit"
>>719120781
i am the guy who made that post
Eigongs' hitboxes are absolute utter dogshit. You get destroyed for trying to play outside of the box, do cool tricks and shit. I can get some image comparisons if you want
She wants you to play the canned simon says in which shes actually pretty easy, i dont get why shes so overhyped
And yeah she does have incoherent anime slash spam: She has some attacks that are literally unreactable the first one or two times you see it, but then you never get hit by it again because it just boils down to pressing RMB. I wish devs were better at copying sekiro
>>719121767
for me its was realising the droplet sound effects were perfectly synced to an actual droplet somewhere in the room

>>719122321
Post pics I like seeing visualised hitboxes

>>719116626
>Challenging the Sun to a fight
Actual peak

ok i quickly booted up nine sols just to show how atrociously bad eigongs' hitboxes are. not to mention the disjointed tracking and shit
its a bit contrived because im just doing silly shit to get in the perfect position to showcase it, but point being: A lot of 9s bosses have windows where you can actually deal a lot more damage by doing something other than the default answer, which is cool and good, but sometimes it gets bogged down by bad hitboxes, because the devs didnt really make the game thinking of anything except the canned simon says. eigong is one of the worst offenders, specially given its a final boss, theres no reason for her to not be the most polished

And dont get me started on how she punishes you for doing the objectively most rewarding answer against 90% of green attacks. took me a while to get rid of that muscle memory
https://files.catbox.moe/4qut2n.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/j1a2ne.mp4

>>719122552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtRdWP62HMg

chances of bug laying eggs ON SCREEN in silksong?

>>719122589
In that first one you're fine if you just get a little higher and tag the top of her head. It took me a while to get it down but it was free as fuck when I did.

>>719122792
yeah, but its ridiculous how atrociously unpolished eigongs' hitboxes are anyhow. it bogs down the fight so immensurably hard

>>719122589
wow that's absurdly low-effort bullshit. thanks, I was almost convinced to play that a few days ago

>>719117772
shit was cash

>>719122939
the game is actually nice, just be prepared for the player defense to be more canned than sekiro. In turn the player attacks are more interesting than sekiro

>>719109775 (OP)
Its only hard because the game really isn't built for this bullshit. Hollow knight isn't a bullet hell, it's a metroidvania.

>>719123024
if im going to play furshit it had better be 10/10 furshit

i did the path of pain and that was enough for me, i'll never do the pantheon shit
i'm too old

>>719123236
I've seen people mention it a bunch and I generally don't actually remember what that is.

out of curiosity, how many here didn't have the prerequisites to fight the radiance when they first fought the HK?

>>719123335
that's because you didn't find the secret area in the white palace dreamnail area

>>719123379
No I did everything including all the pantheons I just haven't played this game in over 5 years.

>>719122713
its fucking impossible for silksong to beat

>>719123429
if you did PoP you would remember it, go smack that hidden wall which doesnt even break buddy

>>719123782
No I'm telling you I have done everything anon. EVERYTHING. I know because I specifically looked for everything to do when I beat it originally. I'll probably remember it if you describe what it is I just don't remember the specific name.

>>719123782
I suffered through a million deaths and getting halfway through the path of pain before giving up, cheating through it, and being disappointed.
A few seconds of content, nay, basically a fucking still image that was already confirmed, for all that shit.

>>719123915
its not the ending its the journey thats the goal of path of pain

>>719123698
>the moon(s) grow(s) wings

How do I beat absolute Radiance? He's my last hurdle on the final Pantheon.

>>719123698
are you sure?

>>719109775 (OP)
>took me a few hours to beat Radiance (vanilla)
I guess I'm shit at video games. I breezed through Metroid Dread's bosses after a second playthrough, but that seems like its own thing.

>>719119189
this just means I wont see the Hollow Knight back to normal and yapping it up with Hornet in Silksong then since the Pantheon ending is really the only one where he'd be alive :(

>>719123782
I looked it up. It was the Pale King's buzzsaw fun house That shit was infinitely easier than the Pantheons.

>>719124517
even if we fight shade lord the setup or reveal is ever gonna even touch sun growing wings
best that can happen is wandering in a dark room until suddenly challenge prompt pops up and 8 white eyes appear

>>719116397
i'm also playing it for the first time and it's way easier than people have made it seem over the years. I've stumbled onto bosses at half hp, that people have complained about being stuck on for hours, and beat it first try.

>>719124556
Nah that's not unusual. You see people breezing through this game with restrictions and think you're shit because you struggle with the intended experience but you have to remember that these people have spent hundreds or even thousands of hours playing the game.

>>719109775 (OP)
Tbf for me this mf was harder than anything from the game combined. I breezed through the pantheon and stuck at this mf for weeks

>>719124748
A dark room? No. Hornet is climbing, to the surface of the world. Finally, she reaches the top, and beholds the night sky. Then the moon and the stars go out, except for eight of them, which then draw near.

Who the fuck gave the Pale King that many circular saws?

>>719124898
Cool, star spider boss? This is going to be epic.
I would call her Star Weaver

>>719124496
You can practice against her in the hall of gods.

>>719124898
I want a boss that's like so big it's the entire arena.

>>719111791
Stopped playing dark souls game for this reason, ds3 first boss is just constant spamming of tracking sweep attacks which is insanely annoying to deal with, until you realize you can just dodge behind him and hit him a couple of times over and over again.

Then you realize almost every boss in the game is the exact same. Joke of a game.

Bloodbornes influence ruined the series, roll/dodge spamming, healing is too quick/spammable, emphasis on trading hp, it’s fine if that’s what you want but it shouldn’t be in dark souls.

the white lady has to restrain herself because of her insatiable need to breed

>>719125264
She WILL watch you fuck other bug girls too after fucking her.

>>719124418
>

Oh all of the redditors are back out once again to pretend that Hollow Knight isn't a slightly above average game! Hooray!

Silksong is going to be circle jerked for a few days, more viral marketing to pretend this game had ANY depth in it's combat. Just like KCD2, just like so many games before it.

This is just sad /v/ loved shitting on Reddit Knight and now Silksong is coming out and the redditors are back to pretend this game somehow is not just slightly above average, but worth your time when so many other better metroidvanias exist that make this game look incredibly dated and below average.

>>719125519
Why are the bloodstain spinoffs so much more kino than the main game?

>>719125705
Hollow Knight is the best game in the genre and you are transexual.

>>719125708
inti creates makes kino when restrained by an outside entity

>>719119785
>Eigong
>bad hitbox
holy shitter

>>719125705
i dare you to check the archives from when HK was launched so you can see how /v/ really feels about this "reddit game"

>>719118490
I didn't mind the pantheon but dealing with gimmick fuckers like the collecter was honestly worse than dealing with a lot of the proper end bosses. Had a lot of fun fucking around with doing radiant fights in the hall of gods though, hope there's something similar in Silksong so I can see if I'm not too old for it now.

>>719119813
I don't know why people take that as some word of god team cherry are going to stick to as law, it seemed more like a "feel free to imagine what you want" for a game that wasn't planned to have a sequel, easily something they could change their mind on by the time of godhome's new ending and silksong starting proper development.

>>719122589
I haven't played the game but the first one at least looks like a magic teleport type attack so I could cope with it, the second is pretty bad though.

>>719122939
don't be psyopped. Nine Sols is a 10/10 masterpiece in quite literally every department: gameplay, story, music, characters, etc. if you skip it because of this shitter's webm's then you are a certified retard.
the hitboxes for that boss are completely fine and she is one of the greatest bosses in the history of video games

>>719118242
>spoiler
Already cleared the original quest
Can I get the flower again?

>>719127817
go back to the grave

>>719116397
Not harder than Dark Souls overall. Outside of the boss rushes, there are 4 hard things in the game, 1 of which is optional even for 112% achievement, 1 of which is just optional in the base game, and 1 of which is DLC. Outside of that there was a boss in the base game I had trouble with that I'm getting mixed feedback in these threads if he was a problem for other people.
Having played and platinumed Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, and Bloodborne I can tell you the last boss rush in this game is harder than anything in those including their dlc. The penultimate boss rush is also about equal to the hardest things you'll encounter in those games and for both it gets a little more frustrating if you let a certain character live in the base game. There are also restrictions you can put on yourself called bindings that restrict your attack power, health, etc that make these challenges insanely hard, and a small easter egg unlockables if you clear the last boss rush with all the bindings. There are also pages in the bestiary you can unlock by challenging bosses individually outside of the boss rush modes and beating them without getting hit.

>>719119813
they're going to ignore happenings in Hallownest. You just have to headcanon that in the default Pantheon ending Hornet beats the shit out of the cliffhanger shadow monster.
What would really be based is if they actually let you choose your canon in the beginning and things change based on that.

>>719120692
>I'm going for Storm Lands this week anons, wish me luck.
wew child
saving that one for retirement

>>719122552
>>719122713
I haven't gotten that hard since finding Red on Mt. Silver

>>719125264
ARI GIBSON please draw her NAKED without the bindings

>>719124693
There's more than one jumping puzzle. One is required for completion and that's the one you're thinking of. The other is super fucking hard to find and absurdly difficult.

>>719126130

Oh you mean searching for when this game first came out? Are you a fucking retard? Do you not understand how viral marketing works? Do you think this concept just got invented whenever a game that >>YOU don't think is worthy of the praise starts getting threads made about it?

I'd love to see you play a strategy game. You can't even follow one singular line of logic. Here's the end result faggot, games were shilled back then too you double nigger.

>>719129068
It's crazy how hard you're trying to pretend

>>719125770

It isn't even in the top 5 and it's not even remotely close. Ender Lilies absolutely blows the fuck out of this game. Nine Sols absolutely eclipses anything in this game. SOTN is still better, Bloodstained is even better. Shadow Complex is better, Axiom Verge is better, Salt and Sanctuary is better and all of those are not even unknown games or games that are way far in the future.

>>719116397
play blasphemous instead

Do you guys think Silksong is going to be easier? Now that they have a gigantic audience of normies thanks to the hype machine, there's no way they'll have stuff like Godhome in Silksong. Too many of them will seethe over not being able to finish their cheevos

>>719116397
Easy to beat for the most part. Harder if you want to get the true ending but nothing too ridiculous. I think that sawblade palace is required for the true ending which can be a bitch but there's ways to cheese it with regeneration charms and patience. The true full achievement completion of the game that requires you 100% finishing Godhome is an absolute nightmare though. Incredibly difficult with no way of cheesing it. It's a true skilltest like 90% of players will never beat. Even people "good" at video games.

>>719129439
they're Australian, making people seethe is in their blood

>>719129439
Did the devs ever say anything about Pantheon difficulty? I actually do remember reading something in a thread saying they'd tone it down after hearing the feedback.
Fuck that, beating that shit was such a rush I want more.

>>719122713
>watching youtubers react to The Radiance for the first time
Ah kino, we meet again.

who is the ongbal of hollow knight if it is so hard?

>>719122321
>i dont get why shes so overhyped
because it plays much differently than the rest of the game until that point
you can get to the end easily without respecting the parry mechanics but she forces you to use them, and her timings and hitboxes feel a lot different than any other enemy too

>>719129439
I hope is harder than Nine Sols

>>719128807
Holy shit I love this image

>>719123698
They've had 7 years to do nothing but think "we HAVE to make something even cooler"
They did it I'm sure.

>>719130538
No clue. Whoever they are, they probably aren't playing vanilla Hollow Knight. The mods are incredibly degenerate and basically change the game's genre.
https://youtu.be/s3nWg9JSy2k

>>719129336
>Ender Lilies
you are literally transexual lmao. Also bloodstained just sucks dick

>>719109775 (OP)
I liked the game, I don't like the amount of bullshit contact damage you can take.

Anyone else trying to beat the pantheons before Silksong?

>>719131112
But I wanna do that

>>719131112
link it

>>719134130
it's a video calling people retarded for immediately taking screenshots of their hollow knight game, going to reddit and asking how to get up to a ledge or whatever the fuck instead of just progressing forwards cuz they're things that get resolved immediately. idk why that guy is calling it out

>>719124496
use the void scream spell with the charm that buffs spells

>>719124496
You can also pretty reliably heal during the multiple beams of light attack. It never shoots in the same position twice, and the last one is usually a few degrees offset from the first. So, take position of where the second beam hits, or take position where the first beam hits and pray. With good timing you can heal twice in a row. Only try this if you're in the middle of the arena. The horizontal swords come out very fast and seem purpose built for punishing this.
Generally though, my best advice is to just be patient and focus on defense. In the second phase, it teleports around a lot. Chasing her is a great way to get in a messy situation and die. Don't be too greedy, one more slash isn't going to make a difference.

>>719109775 (OP)
That's normal difficulty by meteoidvania standards

>>719110020
ive been playing through recently, i beat this guy 1st try
his projectiles arent that hard to dodge so i just hopped around and charged my slash to hit him whenever i was able to get close
there was no time to heal i guess but i didnt take much damage

>>719136083
He's likely talking about Attuned/Radiant Markoth, who you fight without a main floor- it's only a few platforms.
You can heal when he does his spinning ring move.

>>719136546
ah ok, im just on the default difficulty
yeah im remembering being able to heal during that attack now

>>719136715
You are right about the charged slash though, that's a good technique whatever the difficulty.

>>719136083
I beat him on first time too but it was also a no-upgrades run

>>719127326
>because of this shitters'
i killed eigong in 3 tries
if you think its that special, you DESPERATELY need to go actually play sekiro

>>719132069
I did it once and I'm never doing it again

>>719110628
every boss on radoant shpuld be enough to show that i know what im talking about. also, how do you "1cc" a pantheon? you cant continue after dying

>>719120781
> The hitboxes aren't that bad considering how extremely generous the parry hitbox is, and her healthpool isn't even much higher than the last miniboss in the game (Cixing has 5000, Eigong's phases are 5000/7500/5000 iirc)
They are awful. Her talisman dash grab has a hitbox that extends both a few feet above her *and* it has a lingering, phantom hitbox that leaves a trail behind it. Additionally, Eigong's stationary slash that generates 4 waves of crescent projectiles at you can't be reliably dodged, because it also has a phantom hitbox that extends a few feet above Eigong's head, despite there being no visual effect for that. Her hitboxes are god awful.
Eigong has a combined HP pool of 17500, compared to 11580 for JI and 11375 for Fuxi and Nuwa. Despite this massive jump in total HP for the immediate next boss in progression, she has about a third of their openings, meaning Eigong's effective HP is 52500.

Haven't played hollow knight in years does it play better with a controller? Think I played it with my now defunct 360 controller and considering getting a new one for Silksong and MH wilds but don't know which to get

>>719141896
doesnt matter which
>>719141541
eigongs' openings are fine, theres plenty of good spots and uses. but yeah her hitboxes suck
easily the most overrated vidya boss ive heard of in a while

It wasnt that hard

>>719142146
No they aren't. She shouldn't have roughly five times the effective HP of the previous Sols, *and* bad hitboxes, and a boring boss theme, and an unintuitive third phase with attacks that have no frame of trajectory for you to work with. There are times in the fight where you can literally do absolutely nothing other than block the same series of thrusts three times in a row because she won't use any other attack. Only Lady Ethereal is a more passive fight, and that's only because of her clones redirecting your damage to them.

>>719110020
>Radiant Markoth
>Radiant Zote
>Radiant Absolute Radiance
I can probably clear the entire basic game deathless after all these years purely out of the muscle memory these guys have ingrained into my hands

>>719125860
see >>719122589

So having played two (objectively inferior but I still really liked them) harder metroidvanias in Aeterna Noctis and Souldiers I wonder if HK is easier or if it was simply better designed so I struggled with it less.

Like I know for a fact the platforming in AN is harder because it was designed to rip off celeste. But with the bosses I can't tell if ones like the Souldiers dragon or AN's emperor I struggled with because they were genuinely difficult or because the former was badly made and the latter like all bosses in that game was easily cheesed with a ranged build.

>>719132069
Yeah.
I finally beat pure vessel and I just gotta do the 5th. I’m gonna do ascended NKG, PV, and AR when I unlock it before I get the actual win. Could do every other boss in the game based on instincts and reactions but those three I gotta memorize, especially since they’re at the end of a super long gauntlet.

>>719142428
There's a charm that that does internal damage on perfect block, felt like it was made for this fight, even on the blocks you are doing damage, you just need to convert it to real damage from time to time

>>719112735
>>719119785
>>719122321
>muh simon says
>muh hitboxes
Ahh the common calls of a shitter. Got any actual criticisms?

>>719128823
I've done everything anon. I really don't know how many times I need to repeat this before you internalise this fact.

>>719109775 (OP)
I just got to the patheon for the first time. Did the first three challenges first try. Is there anyreason at all to do them with all of the modifiers enabled? Or is that just an extra challenge for the hyper autistic. Ngl i dont think hollow knights combat is fun enough to slog through all that. I was already getting burnt out by the normal boss rush. Maybe if it let me keep my charms i think thats the deal breaker.

pantheon 2 all bindings fucking sucks. i hate oblobbles and marmu. i died on nosk because i have 0 practice on them but holy fuck i don't want to do oblobbles again, takes so fucking long

>>719142428
Holy fucking shit is this post real. Im laughing so fucking hard rn

>>719143362
every unique binding you do adds to a score which unlocks lifeblood cocoons in rest zones (even if you're using bindings so it can help). cumulatively finishing all bindings in all pantheons unlocks an extra area with some lore.
activating all bindings at once in a pantheon simply lights up their orbs on the door when you win. otherwise taking all at the same time does nothing, it's just for screenshots and bragging.

>>719142880
>no counterargument
you think a dumbed down version of sekiro is the coolest deepest thing to ever bless 2d combat

>>719143390
>holy fuck i don't want to do oblobbles again, takes so fucking long
nigga, your spells? your dash and cyclone slash? your shade soul double hits?

the projectile spell can hit them multiple times, on top of hitting two at once

>>719143723
Theres nothing to argue against? Every game is a simon says simulator when youre a reductionist faggot and every game has bad hit boxes when you suck diarrhea feces

>>719109775 (OP)
>Bossfight starts with a screamer

You don't even know how hard can it get

>>719143805
Didn't attach pic

>>719143791
I don't think you actually know what bad hitboxes are. It is an objectively quantifiable metric that quite literally cannot be argued. If the hitbox extends beyond the range of the visual indicator. It's bad. Objectively.

>>719143843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq8E_1LkoAc&list=RDMq8E_1LkoAc&start_radio=1&ab_channel=ChristopherLarkin

The bossfight OST is so hype as well

Absolute Radiance kicked my dick.

>>719109775 (OP)
>holy shit this is harder than any boss created by fromsoft
I found Radahn Consort harder.

>>719143774
idk i'm not that good at the game and i save the soul for healing, got 4 max health so i'm concerned with being able to top it up especially in that fight.

Meme game

>>719144119
One change I really like about Silksong is the fact that healing and magic are now separate bars so you can always use them and have healing.

How this series memed its way into having the the reputation of "HARDEST THING EVAR" when it requires two buttons to play and animations are slow enough that a geriatric grandpa can react to them, I will never understand.
>b-but it came out at the perfect time when games were all about handholding
Call of Duty on veteran is literally harder than DS.

>>719143805
>Bossfight starts with a screamer
If you don't hold down to roleplay bowing back you deserve what you get.

>>719144126
Yes a grassroots growth of a massive memetic fandom

>>719144432
CoD on veteran is grenade spam.

>>719109775 (OP)
So why are moths so powerful and how do they cope with getting beaten by a beetle?

>>719142527
>Radiant
It's just one fight. Grind it enough and you'll beat it. Fucking PoH on the other hand... I still haven't beat it. I told myself that once Silksong release date will be announced I'll go back to it. But I dunno.

>>719146867
Ooooooo use the invincibility glitch oooooo your morals be damned OooooOoOooOoo

>>719146919
What?

>>719146945
If you open the quick map while falling off a ledge with water below and then close it before landing, you’ll sink. Open the quick map again before jumping onto land, which you can do in the menu now, then charge a crystal dash in the menu and move around a little before closing it. Now charge a dream nail teleport, but let go of your crystal charge the moment you begin to teleport away. If done right, you will be invincible until you rest at a bench.
This was found in 2019 and they never patched it out.

>>719146919
Kek, I did the same. PoH is too unfunfor me to care about doing it legitimately.

>>719147031
Sounds like too much work.

>>719147031
why not just watch the game on youtube

>>719147113
Because Pantheon of Hollownest is bullshit and deserves to be cheesed

>>719122589
This chink garbage is nothing next to hollow knight

>>719109775 (OP)
Radiance is only hard if you never upgrade the Nail and don't use any charms that increase spell damage. 340 hits kind of sucks, but throwing out some Howling Wraith at it in between will seriously cut down. Pure nail and that thing goes down in 80. Less with Fragile/Unbreakable Strength. It's honestly hard to say which is faster, pure nail or spell build.

>>719147380
I wish the game gave you more charm slots. I feel like too many charms were just damn near mandatory so there was basically zero customization to speak of since you'd only have like 2 notches left at most after slotting in the needed ones.

Hardest boss in “base” HK was Lost Kin but only if you fight it right after the normal version. They added it in a later update iirc so if you fought it then with shadow dash, best nail, and all the magic, it’s easy.

>>719147475
Eh, once you feel comfortable enough with fights, you just end up over charming anyway.
>>719147526
That's what I did when I first got the game, the Dream Boss fights were added and I found the Lost Kin right after. I was stubborn and thought that I could beat it with my load out and didn't want to come back. I wish I could have done the same for the Failed Champion, but I just couldn't get used to the speed of the jump.

>>719147526
He tends to bump into you a lot with jumps in, so not having a shadow dash at this point is frustrating. Later into the fight it's easy to get overwhelmed with ghosts too. Not even mentioning significant amount of health with only half upgraded nail. Yeah he is quite tough after based version.

>>719147526
Lost Kin is the most kino fight if you only have one or two nail upgrades.

Amazing flow.

>>719143843
plap plap plap
Get Abyss Shrieked!
Get Abyss Shrieked!
Get Abyss Shrieked!

>>719109775 (OP)
That's certainly an opinion but is it a good game?

>players are going to lose the shadow dash and descending dark i frames clutch in silksong

OH NO NO NO NO BUGBROS
WHAT DO WE DO?

>>719143896
It's not bad, but I've heard better

Pure Vessel can suck a goddamn dick with his two damage per hit bullshit.
I can't figure out any consistent way of surviving the fight.
I jump? He gets me with his downward slash. I dash away from him? He attacks from off the screen.
I dash through him? He immediately attacks again, giving me no way to react because of the cooldown.

And I'm supposed to be doing this after 40 minutes of boss battles without any form of save point in between?
Who the fuck designed this horseshit?

>>719148395
People just tell me to get good but I've always hated that the last few bosses do double damage. It makes getting those extra masks feel completely pointless because now I'm just back where I started in terms of damage I can survive, except it's worse now because healing takes longer

>>719148395
PV, like his corrupted counterpart, is pretty weak to being pogoed on. Outside of the jump, pretty much none of his moves can reach you.
>I dash through him? He immediately attacks again
Are you using the sharp shadow triggering his parry?

>>719148395
Practice in the boss room- I'm pretty sure it's unlocked as soon as you see him in the pantheon.
Pure Vessel is all about learning his individual moves. Really, the only problem is when he performs a move and you're just out of position for it (particularly common for his main 3 swing attack, which has a very brief window to pogo over).
Stay on the ground be ready before he starts and attack, and react to it. Often this starts by jumping, since he doesn't have a lot of moves that hit high in the air. Once you learn how to dodge every move, you can learn to get counter hits every move. The end result is kinda a dance that's probably the best combat in the game.
If you get hit, get over it and stay focused. You can heal once in the stagger, and if you're feeling lucky, once or twice during the circles attack.

I just beat Lost Vessel and got the double jump, can I finish the first game on time or did I leave it too late?

>>719150295
The first blind playthrough of the game is like 40 hours, give or take. And Lost Vessel is pretty far into the game already. You have plenty of time. And if you ignore all the optional content, you can rush the game in like a couple of days at leisure pace.

>>719141541
Fair point, the webm anon made a great point that the hitboxes are "fine" IF you do the expected parries, but they're awful if you're trying to dodge or do anything other than just parry the standard way.

>she has about a third of their openings, meaning Eigong's effective HP is 52500.
What do you mean

>>719142765
That charm sucks btw, it does 10 damage per block, while if you do the unbounded parry it does 130 or so damage per block without charms.

>>719125125
stupid sexy bug

>>719150295
use this
https://reznormichael.github.io/hollow-knight-completion-check/

here's my run for reference. It's also my first run. I think you got it if you put consistent time in

>>719150295
Average blind 100% playthrough will take around 30 hours.
If you're not autistic, it'll take 20-ish hours to beat the game.
You have more than enough time to casually beat the game before Silksong.
And do yourself a favour and look up the DLC ending instead of attempting it yourself.
It's designed for masochists and I mean that literally.

I'm really liking this game. It feels a lot like smash bros and it's really clicking.

I used cheat engine to beat absolute radiance, the Godseeker dlc can suck my dick
What the fuck was that last part supposed to be? A kick in the balls after you think you've finally done it?

>>719151260
>using a "completion analyzer" tool
>using a "completion analyzer" tool on your first run
Holy shit, just play the fucking game.