Thread 719133160

Abilities, self-heals and ultimates, each having cooldowns is plainly bad design. Cooldowns destroy all of the fluidity you are supposed to get out of a shooter game.

>>719133160 (OP)
that mushroom cloud is like 5x bigger than it should be

>>719133160 (OP)
Agreed. Abilities should either have no cost or if there is a cost it should be via some sort of resource system like mana or items etc you can buy/obtain from the map.

>>719133240
Thats just how much "Hero Shooters" needed to be corrected. They don't even deserve to be called shooter games.

>>719133160 (OP)
What if I don't like the shooter in the hero shooter instead?
Can I get a hero game?

>>719133528
MOBAs or MMORPGs

>>719133292
Yep, and this requires more thinking than just slapping 60 second cooldowns on overpowered unfun abilities.

did you actually think this was a big brain idea you stupid fucking zoomer

it's like you never played an old rts custom game where it would be inherently obvious why you might have a cooldown on a skill otherwise it'd be fucking busted

you don't even understand what fluidity is, you've reduced it to "why can't I press Q all the time" when there should be a lot more shit you're doing than just casting an ability

>>719135070
Zoomer is such a powerful insult that even zoomers use it.
Thank god Im not a zoomer.

>>719135070
Putting the cooldown on the overpowered unfun ability doesn't make it any less overpowered and unfun. Its a band-aid "fix" which doesn't work. And yes shooter games ARE about fluidity, they are not comparable to a RTS game.

>>719133160 (OP)
>Cooldowns destroy all of the fluidity you are supposed to get out of a shooter game.
i've always thought cooldowns in MOBAs sucked as stop-gap solutions to balancing, but they have a purpose.
So elaborate on what your proposed alternative would be

>>719135217
if you didn't have a cooldown you literally couldn't have an overpowered ability, every ability would have to be lame and shit because you can just spam it all the time, you'd have no reason to even use your base attack or gun or whatever shit zoomer game you've just been playing and got fucked off on when you can just press Q instead. without cooldowns you've eliminated pretty much all balancing potential outside of energy cost and most games don't even have that 2nd mechanic

hero shooters are just first person mobas you dense retard, so they are directly comparable and fluidity is not just "can i use this ability x amount" it's a combination of everything you do in the game

>>719133160 (OP)
>thinly veiled dogshit opinion
>look guyse i'ts a TRUUUKE!!!
>samefagging to reinforce the thread
lol
lmao
rofl even
pitiable wretch.

>>719135378
You don't have any cooldowns for a start.

>>719136148
ok, so how do you maintain fluidity or fun when you have 10 people smashing their ult button until the other person dies

>>719135978
there's 0 good hero shooter games so OP is right

>>719136247
you can't, OP is a retarded amerishart zoomer with 2 brain cells working overtime

>>719136347
you're a retarded faggot therefore if you dont reply to this post you mother will die in her sleep tonight, no immunities

>>719133160 (OP)
Smite used to have this as a meme mode you could play, but it was 80% base cooldown.
It was exactly the unfun clusterfuck you would guess.Especially when you had characters that could immune all damage every 1.5 seconds, and full-heal 4k HP bruisers even faster

class based shooters >>>>>>>> literal dogshit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hero shooters >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moba shooters

>>719136524
>unfun clusterfuck
so, like how the games still are WITH cooldowns?

>>719136886
regular teamfights were clusterfucks sometimes, sure, that's just the nature of any team game really.
But the point is more, that little to no restrictions lose their luster pretty fast. Which is why there's often a direct correlation to the degree of cheating and how fast you start to lose interest / the game gets boring.

>>719136474
faggot

>>719137078
actually games that dont have ultimates are not clusterfucks

>>719136347
Thats just like your opinion man

>>719138209
they certainly are.
CS, no matter the version can be
any RTS can
any normalfag shooter can
Even your favorite MP game probably is sometimes but you're either used to it or overlook it for the fun

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UH OH I SHARTED ON YOUR THREAD!

>>719138370
CS is ancient but i dont see how its a clusterfuck, you just throw ur nades then push a site. not that crazy.

>>719138209
Bro never played instagib with Locke and it shows

>>719133160 (OP)
>you are supposed to get out of a shooter game.
Then why isn't there a suicide option in shooter games?
Checkmate atheists

>>719140675
good ones do, or atleast go out muslim style with grenades