Thread 719143367

Let's talk TVs vs. Monitors for gaming purely from a performance and picture quality aspect.
Which is better?

Monitors, do you have brain problems?

>>719143367 (OP)
consoles dont work on monitors and pcs dont work on tv

Bot marketing thread when no one has jobs or disposable income. Or Switch and Bait (or xbox or sony) enjoyer who is surrounded by influencers. sage either way

>>719143367 (OP)
>get cheap acer 1080p monitor
>get 2 free cheapo monitors from an office throwing out old computer parts
>hook them all up to PC
yup, its gaming time

>>719143428
>pcs dont work on tv
they do though, they aren't stuck in 2014 anymore without a dedicated pc mode
my qd oled tv does just well streaming from my pc

gamer tip:
instead of googling "best TV", google "best TV 2015" or similar for an actual cheap appliance that isn't shit

>>719143428
both wrong, very epic

>>719143367 (OP)
I'm thinking of buying one of the midrange hisenses for 700
I want actual 1000 nit hdr but I don't know if it's good to get a hisense or not
For PC and PS5 btw

>>719144807
youd prob be better off buying a 32" 4k monitor with no TV OS ruining things

most televisions have built in image filters you can't disable

>>719144912
do they hit 1000 nits now? i thought they were all stuck at low brightness

>>719143367 (OP)
too many tvs say they're 8 bit/10 bit when they're 6 bit
tv fudges numbers too much, usually has weird filtering, usually has poor windowing

they're cheaper than desktop displays though, they can be serviceable and you might like them more than low end tn, but eh

>>719143367 (OP)
I'll never buy a TV given all the preinstalled smart trash especially after I've seen that they are unhinged enough to show you ads in the menus.

I have equally mid-range TVs/monitors that both have similar features (mini-LED, HDR w/ 1000-1400 brightness). The quality is pretty similar, but the TV clearly has worse smearing in darker scenes. Monitor is better at motion handling, that's about it.

>>719144948
prob like 300 nits 50% window

anyone can push their 2% window sizes above 1k but its mostly performative

>>719143367 (OP)
>top 5
>shows only 4
Sasuga

>>719145097
Also, I forgot to mention TV has worse screen uniformity compared to the monitor since it's so big. Monitors don't suffer from it much at all. On some panning scenes on the TV you can see a DSE pattern, especially on bright solid colors.

>>719145097
yeah the VA monitors with reduced smear come from specific samsung patents and only a handful VA monitors use those kind panels

You prob have an AOC miniled monitor with that tech
The TV prob has better motion handling when it comes to interpolation and watching anime

QM8K any good for movies as a poorcel?
65"

>>719145329
this nigga watches anime with smooth motion on oh my days

>>719145329
Yea the monitor is AOC. Smearing isn't a problem at all so when people shit on VA for smearing I don't really understand. However, if they experienced what the TV has and think that's what modern monitors look like then I get it. As far as I'm concerned VA on a monitor doesn't have any smearing issues anymore.

>>719145442
eh
8 fps panning scenes are literally the worst experience you can have

>>719143367 (OP)
Monitor for the performance, tv for the cinematic SOVLFUL experience

>>719145364
rtings seems to like it fine
I've never seen this kinda slow bright transitions tho
usually VA is only slow in dark tones

>>719143367 (OP)
Typically monitors, at least gaming ones, will have better response times and refresh rates.
Also; better pixel density, given they're not as huge.

>>719143367 (OP)
As long as it's 1080p 60hz both are good.
But realistically if you're going to play on a couch then you're almost always better off with a TV.

>>719145059
You never have to open the smart menus let alone press the smart button, ever.
And adds should only be able to appear if you're stupid enough to actually connect it to the internet.
I only own tv's that are a decade old though so please forgive me if the industry really is this fucked these days.

>>719143367 (OP)
Let me end the thread for you:
>Anything above 1080p is a meme for video games, 4k is best for films rescanned from 35mm/70mm masters and workspace
>1440p is a cope resolution. It is doubled 720p, and almost everything has been standardized for 1080p/480p
>Ultrawidescreen is a meme and only good for music or video editing software
>Curved screen is a meme
>Anything above 60hz is a meme, you are not a pro e-Shit gaymer, you do not need anything above 60hz
>OLED is a meme. It was designed for phones for deep blacks and brightness for outdoor use for mobile phones and battery usage. It is not for static images you will have on screen for several hours
>HDR is a meme. Artificial post processing for films, and it is barely used in any worthwhile game
>Anything above 2.1 or 3.1 sound is a meme like Atmos. Surround sound is a gimmick and barely useful in any good game unless you're playing atmospheric movie trash. 99% of the greatest films ever were released with a mono or stereo soundtrack
>60" should be the minimum for 4k
>If you want size get a LED or Laser projector
>If you're getting a little shitty monitor 30"/23" and below don't waste your fucking time with 4k/1440 which will also kill performance

>B-but I switched from X monitor to my new FAG monitor and it looks so MUCH better
Yeah, no shit replacing your old fucking burnt out monitor still using a fucking DVI to DP/HDMI adapter makes a fucking difference

>>719143367 (OP)
I prefer my 75" glossy MiniLED over any shitty as 27-32inch matte monitor. It's not much of a debate

>>719145948
bad bait

>>719143367 (OP)
I use a small OLED TV as a monitor. It's quite nice.
It feels like all of the innovation is happening on the TV side. The only thing monitors still have is refresh rate, but then you're sacrificing literally everything else and paying out the nose for it.

What a tired topic

OLEDs are the only option, best at everything it's not even close. All that you need to know is where the panel comes from (mostly LG Display) and even if somehow the brand (Alienware, ASUS, Sony, Panasonic, etc) fucks it up with software, there's always a "raw" mode that disables their mistakes. TV/Monitor is an irrelevant marketing term at this point, seeing that all GPUs come with at least one hdmi 2.1 nowadays.

If your budget is below $500 then you don't care for image quality so don't bother replying. If you buy a non-OLED you clearly wouldn't care about burn-out either since any alternative is vastly obsolete at this point looking 5x worse (not nearly enough local dimming zones, shit contrast, more delay, ghosting) and you're burning money from day1 on something that comes bundled with an equivalent issue guaranteed, not year 5+ (inconsistent light bleed) that unlike burn-out can't be insured

The ONLY exception to all this is if you NEED to play at above 120fps, for some fucking reason. Exclusively an autistic CS or Quake player I guess?

>>719146975
OLEDs are not perfect, and burn in is not the only problem. Also has less brightness overall, worse text clarity, and worse VRR flickering.

I got an LG C4 for 950 bucks
It's nice I guess but I don't see what the big deal is

>>719147590
put an ips monitor next to it in a dark room

>>719143367 (OP)
TV's because you can get a (second hand) plasma.
LCD and OLED are both rubbish for gaming.
>>719143428
What planet are you on?

>>719146975
>best at everything
-Motion blur
-Absurd price
-BFI doesn't fix motion blur and drives panel cost up by another 2x
-Burn in
-ABL can't be disabled
-VRR flickers like a motherfucker
-Shortest life span out of the entire history of display tech

They're good for movies but OLED is absolute shit for gaming.

>>719147615
I can see that but the price difference is still way too big and you should play video games in a well lit room

>>719145948
>Anything above 60hz is a meme
Absolutely fucking not you mongoloid

>>719147906
QD OLEDs are pretty cheap to manufacture and prices have gone down a lot.
You can regularly see oled monitors at 500€ price point.

IPS backlight bleed is very bad and you can notice it at any lighting conditions, its just extreme in dark room scenario. OLED also enables HDR which obviously doesnt work on edgelit displays.

>>719147821
nah lol, games look incredible. This whole thread of people coping is rediculous and contrarian as fuck

>>719148049
Here's your top of the line $1,100 MSRP 27" display bro

>>719147705
Plasma is dogshit

>OLED
Yeah why don't I just fuck my eyeballs with a spoon while I'm at it

>>719143367 (OP)
>TV: cheaper, lower quality
>Monitor: more expensive, better quality
That's basically it

is it even possible to get basic led "dumb tvs"

>>719147528
My OLED stays at 0 brightness during morning/night, 30 most of the day, 60 if I have my skylight window directly in front of it open, maaaybe 80 when pushing it. Unless your room is surrounded by natural light on all sides, maximum brightness is never an issue. If you live in a mansion with fully structural windowed walls then sure.

True on text clarify IF 1) You don't change an option in windows for pentile displays, which mine is considering it's from 2020 (still zero burn-in btw, main PC/console monitor 12h+ daily) however LG Display has moved away from pentile subpixels as of late IIRC so this is a non-factor. And 2) if you bought a small (now old) desk monitor rather than 48"/55" stand monitor ~1m+ away from the desk, where PPI text issues are not noticeable.

You got me with VRR, which apparently is still an issue inherent to the tech. I wouldn't know since I never used it. Limiting FPS and/or using Vsync has worked before and will in future. But fair

>>719147821
-Yes? Among the main advantages?
-No. Cheapest way to get amazing quality. You wouldn't compare OLEDS to TN panels but rather to professional dual layed LCD's. Like I said, if your budget is below $500 why even BEGIN to care about this topic? You can get 48/55"C models below $1000 nowadays. Brand new ones cost more sure, but way below equivalent alternatives.
-BFI isn't needed in OLEDs, they are inherently superior.
-insert Everything about non-OLEDS, which makes it worse than burn-in day1
-True. If you live in a window mansion and keep it at 100 brightness all day, ABL will kick in
-Again, who uses VRR? Is it implemented well in all games? Genuine question, I just limit fps and I'm good to go.
-Plasma TVs were a thing. Anecdotally 2 of my LCDs shat their pants while the OLED's still perfect (see white ring'd BenQ on the right). Lastly, if you get warranty for ~10% extra, every half decade people go to your home and change the whole panel no questions asked. I haven't even done it yet.

>>719149710
Ty

>>719145442
>oh my days
bugger off the 4chan Nigel, or I'll ring up the guvnah.

>>719149710
>-BFI isn't needed in OLEDs
I have a feeling they're saving BFI as another incentive to buy some future model once the annual + 120hz with little more brightness cycle has been exhausted

>>719148647
yeah, they're called Commercial Displays now.

>>719144083
I was using a TV as a computer monitor in 2012. Both of you are complete idiots.

my pc is connected to both my tv and monitors depending if I want to play in bed or at my desk. 90% of the time I use my monitor at my desk because my chair is comfy and I like having my second monitor
>monitor
27" 1440p 240hz OLED XG27AQDMG
>tv
47" LG B4 (4k, 120hz, OLED)
due to the genres I play I use a controller 99% of the time even at my desk so that's irrelevant to my choice
>>719144481
retard

>>719143367 (OP)
>performance
MSI QD-OLED, turn off DSC if you don't want shitty banding
>quality
LG C1 48 inch as a monitor, newer models have pink tinted whites, dithering that looks like ass, overshoot etc...
The size makes 3D games very immersive and in games like STALKER and other FPS games where you must aim at target far away it's unbeatable.
Else see above(MSI QD-OLED), only downsides are dithering(but much better than LG's) and colored fringe on white contrast because it has no white subpixel(people whine about the white subpixel but it's actually very good, it makes white text sharp like a monochrome LCD)
>>719143394
OLED TVs used to be absolute kino, and also the only way to get an OLED display period a few years ago(2021 and before).
The size is too large for 2D games but for work and 3D FPS games... i don't believe it can be beaten
Nowadays they are absolutely worse, forced sharpening algorithms, dogshit dithering algorithms for LG, overshoot that's worse than models from before, downgrade updates etc...

>Want to get a new TV
>It's all smart tv crap that spies on you because they TOTALLY need to offset the million dollars it costs to shove the equivalent of a Pi Zero into it.
>3D TVs don't exist anymore

>>719145948
Just for anything confused, almost everything in this post is wrong. Trolling is only okay in on-topic threads, not when we're discussing something that is outside of what /v/ is normally about.

>>719157478
you're a fucking moron
>>719157703
you're a fucking moron

>>719147923
Apparently, there are actually people who can't tell the difference. That's why you also get people who say they don't notice a difference between 30 or 60 FPS. Some people's visual processing is just flatout bad. So yeah, for those people, they're probably better off with 60 Hz and 30 FPS (though maybe there are still advantages they just can't notice). Meanwhile, for people with normal visual processing like us, it looks like a slideshow.

>>719143367 (OP)
TVs are kinda ass for anything that's not actually watching the TV. You're forced to use a remote for one, monitors have all the controls on the panel.

I took the OLED TV pill and got a LG C5 as monitor last month. My only complaint is the display doesn't turn on or off with the PC.

>>719157990
some samsung monitors have tizen OS and come with a remote
the remote seems universally useful for navigating the options, so would be nice if all >400€ monitors came with one
TV OS is trash tho

I'm tempted

>>719157872
Elaborate on how I'm a moron.
Unless your answer is
>I'm a fucking faggot sperg and don't know what a use case is you're only allowed to get a monitor my autism declares

>>719143367 (OP)
tvs are bullshit
they all come with some gay little os now and tries to be its own computer and its very bad at it
just give me a tv sized monitor without any extra bullshit, i don't need it ever

Why not go for mini LED over OLED if you want to hold over until micro LED?

>>719143367 (OP)
OLED monitors
240hz > 360hz > 480hz> 120hz
No debate, your TVs are not for gaming. Go back to watching your movies and leave the discussion.

>>719158286
miniled isnt good while oled is good
when you have some extreme budget options at 1440p its best to buy miniled, but its because its budget option and the alternative is IPS

>>719158286
mini led kind of looks like shit, there's always too much white in like a hot way
like staring at one of those highway electronic billboards

Monitors are simply superior for gaming and this is the objective truth

>>719155187
>2012
WOW I WONDER WHY THERE WAS NO PC MODE

>>719143367 (OP)
TV is always going to have much better picture quality. Hell even my budget VA TV looks better than my 4k OLED monitor

>>719158164
Don't go for those 100 inch Hisenses. They are all bad quality when it comes to the components, and they all suffer from some sort of QC issue even if you get a "good" unit. Where do you think the savings come from? Even their U line. If you want a large TV, go for the QM7K or the newer QM8K if money is an issue for you

>>719158286
I have both mini LED and OLED and i prefer the OLED. If you're worried about the burn in all i can say I've done some retard shit like leave a static UI on my OLED screen overnight quite a few times and I've tested for burn in and found nothing. I'm not sure if I'd trust playing an MMO on it though, ill use the mini led for that. The biggest negative of a Mini LED is white haloing with blacks, just haloing of bright sources on blacks in general. It can technically get much darker than any LCD screen you've seen because of backlight clamping/variable backlight. But it still doesn't look proper black like an OLED does it. It's hard to describe, they don't look as natural. But it's not as bad as some will make it out to be if you never used that backlight clamping, you don't ever see backlight bleed. It is actually pitch black. Just not deep blacks and that's hard to describe unless you know what the two screen technologies look like. A major disadvantage of getting mini LEDs blacks to be like through backlight clamping actually adds delay, like the latency goes up.

One advantage to the mini LED, being an IPS panel is that it does not suffer from VRR flicker from gsync. Advantage to OLED is pixel response times, which is a huge advantage, it's way quicker and doesn't suffer from mini LEDs backlight clamping adding delay doing proper blacks on top of that.

OLED is a meme and will burn in

The thing about playing vidya on a 4k TV is that, well, you need to be able to run 4k. 4k is a stupid resolution for vidya though that not even the crop of the cream graphics cards will manage at 60 FPS reliably on Ultra, and definitely not with raytracing on. So then you have to use upscaling because running the TV on a lower resolution is even more retarded. That affects image quality. Just get a proper monitor and play vidya on that and use the TV for what it was made for, movies. If you want to play games on a TV, you're basically a console peasant.

>>719159504
statistically what I have up most of the time on my 4k monitor is 4chan text

>>719159568
And 4k resolution is excellent for productivity, I wouldn't use anything else anymore. Gaming, however - 1080p or 1440p.

>>719143428
Based retard.

>>719159568
the 4 in 4k stands for 4chan

TV are useless.

>>719143367 (OP)
Monitors because you don't have to instantly disable all the post processing and ai bullshit right out of the box.

>>719159669
4k does nothing for productivity, a larger screen does tho

65' S90D that does everything I want it to while also looking perfect
feelsgoodman

TVs are for poorfags

PA32UCDM here, I have none of the issues listed.

No one needs 4k right now. It hasn't been "perfected" at this point, so you're just wasting a bunch of money.
1440p on OLED is the gold standard for visuals and performance right now.

>>719160452
>1440p
lol @ poorfag

>>719160496
I make more in a month than you make in a year, Aiden. I guarantee the poor fag here is (you). Blindly wasting money. I bet you bought a scalped PS5 too, didn't you?

>>719160496
He has a point if it's a 480hz 1440p OLED.

>>719158209
I don't know which of the 2 morons you were.

>>719149710
you never get burn in becasue for years now they just dim it instead(the algo just wears out the whole panel down to "burned in" levels)

>>719160452
>1440p
lol

4k will be a meme until the next displayport revision that allows for actually perfect screens
i'm talking 4k 480hz that can switch to something insane like 1080p 1000hz

>>719160656
>480hz 1440p oled
lol the most retarded screen spec I've seen.

>>719160496
>>719160737
What's wrong with 1440p? It's about the highest resolution you can run games at 120fps with the best hardware

>>719160951
>what's wrong with 1440p
it looks like dogshit

>>719143367 (OP)
TV for controller, Monitor for KB+M. Speaking from experiense here, KB+M + Couch w/ Cofeetable ain't exactly ergonomic (and i count that for performance). But with a controller you just lean back or lie down cause it is all in your hand.

Strictly speaking though Minitors tend to have higher specs in my experience, especially since TVs fell for the smart meme and can just be fucking awful to deal with sometimes these days.

>>719160991
Resolution doesn't affect what it looks like

>>719160884
For now I'm fine with 4k 240hz. I'm still waiting for the shaderglass app CRT beam simulation shader from blur busters to be ironed out. It had syncing issues i last checked. Once it is implemented flawlessly then 60hz CRT emulation on my screen. It will eventually look better when I'd upgrade to 480hz. But for now it might solve how poorly running games handle in a lot of scenarios. Theoretically it might eliminate the need to have a higher framerate than 60 fps in most games.

>>719160991
that's determined entirely by pixel density and viewing distance

>>719157703
>>3D TVs don't exist anymore
It fucking pisses me off how right when the tech was good 3D TVs got abandoned. They really should have delayed the release of them about 2 or 3 years.

The human eye literally cannot perceive higher than around 60 fps, you faggots are just trying to justify a shit-tier purchase.

>>719161410
you're either poor, blind or stubborn
pick

>>719161410
post arm

>>719161231
so is 720p then. go and buy a 720p monitor and sit further back

>>719145932
>you never have to open smart menus
Not the case anymore, every tv now comes with preinstalled OS and you must interact with it to use tv functions. Settings are accessed through OS, you can only change source through OS, etc.
>And adds should only be able to appear if you're stupid enough to actually connect it to the internet
Kinda works(some tvs may force you into connecting to internet for initial setup but you can disconnect after that) HOWEVER since HDMI 2.1 you can pass internet through hdmi cable and I fully expect that once 2.1 becomes the requirement it they will either force some kind of internet connection or at least try to get it as a default from connected device unless you specifically disable it beforehand

>>719161097
>Resolution doesn't affect what it looks like
lol clueless retard is clueless

>>719161617
1080p, 1440p and 4k all look the same on a 100 inch TV from 10 meters away

>>719161564
so there's nothing wrong with 1440p if you're not going to fuck with your eyes and sit further away than a foot from the screen?

guys i think i have solved monitors:
https://www.amazon.com.be/-/en/Samsung-ViewFinity-S7-S32D700EAU-Monitor/dp/B0D3F72X39

32" 4k VA 250 euros
it's perfect for everything. big enough for movies, VA for good blacks, semi glossy, 4k for huge work space. VA is the best thing between IPS and OLED

Who the fuck cares about cost-efficiency and other cope terms? I had a s90F last year and I bought a s95F this year. I've got a 5090, and I'll buy a 6090 when it comes out.

>>719161982
>VA
wrong board retard

>>719162108
Typo, s90D last year.

>>719162125
>wrong board retard
a lot of VAs post already.

>>719162239
i meant that VA panels are literally the worst panel tech for playing vidya that exists

>>719162364
thank you reddit.

>>719160991
This is the sort of retarded opinion we have to suffer.

>>719162472
enjoy your shit response times barely fit for 60hz

>>719143367 (OP)
TV for consoles and movies/shows.
Monitor for PC gaming. If the monitor is ultrawide then movies and PC gaming.

Last I checked TVs still had no QOL that monitors have like automatic on/standby that’s necessary for PC.

>>719161758
love the cope. keep repeating it to yourself and sooner or later you'll actually start to believe it yourself

>>719161982
>VA is the best thing between IPS and OLED
Mini LED IPS are fine for blacks too. If you're using backlight clamping that is, they're all technically 'fine' under those circumstances. It's just LCDs lack the ability to go deeper than an OLED. The same is true about a VA as it is with an IPS.

>>719162803
you are overcomplicating things. i understand that most people want something futureproof but OLED are still pricey and for 250 it's a no brainer for me. it's the best of every word and the alleged VA drawbacks just don't exist at 60hz.

>>719162649
see >>719145562
even tv VAs can have decent pixel response time these days

>>719162790
Weak bait

>>719162939
VAs actually a share a flaw with OLED. VRR flicker. If you ever see a frametime variance or framerate fluctuation in a dark scene with gsync turned on. It flickers. From my experience with the IPS screen that i own it doesn't do that. Up to you whether that matters or not. Might as well list the flaw.

/v/ is literally full of retards... Not the meme retard, but actual retards with extra chromosomes.
As one of the retards here pointed out earlier, 1440p is the most stable and relatiable resolution for max visuals right now. 4k is still a meme for now. It will get better and it will replace 1440, but for now, right now, no.

>>719163295
Looking at what is going on, I don't see 4k replacing 1440p any time soon thanks to GPU power not increasing as much as before, prices going up every generation and games being unoptimized messes

>>719156317
retard

>>719163295
1440p is poorfag territory. Third world resolution for third world computers.

>>719164246
Weak bait

>>719164427
You're not a stinky 1440p poorfag are you anon?

>>719164554
Weak bait

>>719160731
>reads that my brightness levels stay at 30% most of the time, up to 60% during peak hours
>only counterpoint conspiracy is that it gets less bright over time
Ok? I guess in about 15 years time I'll finally have to use 100 brightness during peak sunlight with all windows open instead of 80. And I won't have to use 3rd party programs to further dim the OLED during night because 0% is still too high currently.

oh no

>>719164246
idk man my 4090 still can’t run 3440x1440p games at 165Hz maxed out. 9800X3D btw

>>719164583
theres couple different things going on
first the pixel refresh algo forces volts on the pixels so everyone has similar usage
and since the pixels wear down long term they compensate that by driving them harder according to the predicted wear

So every pixel has same amount of volts driven through them and at 30% predicted wear they get 30% more volts

>>719164629
lol , upgrade then

>>719164246
>1440p is poorfag territory
Not if the aim is 480hz and eventually even beyond that. I would also like to place a disclaimer in this thread about anyone who owns a TV is excluded from sitting at the big boys table anyway because they got memed into think anything beyond 120hz doesn't matter. They spent all of their money about having some goddamn smartphone interface in the package rather than higher performance. There is no one more dumb than TVfags.

>>719164795
I’m afraid the 20-25% uplift a 5090 can give at 1440p won’t make up the difference in games like Wilds and MGS Delta.

>>719164840
1440p is poorfag territory.
It costs less to buy a shit 1440p high refresh rate than it is to buy a 4k and run it.
You're just cheeping out and making up excuses.

>>719163295
1440p is retarded consoomer territory which is fitting for your post anon.

>nobody needs more than 720p
>>but 720p looks bad
>b-b-but 720p is gooder and I still can't max it out at 1000fps with my 5090 so there

>>719164957
If 4k is more than viable if you’re happy with 60 fps. Then again, if double digit framerates are your thing I’d suggest sticking to consoles and I say this without a hint of spite.

>>719164957
I don't even own a 1440p monitor, but i understand it's use case. Performance matters and even the 1440p plebs as you consider them to be: still have better hardware since you capped yourself with a TV.

>>719143367 (OP)
i dont have room for a tv on my desk and i dont have room to connect my desktop computer to my tv

>>719165134
My console on a 4k screen looks better than your PC on a 1440p monitor lol

>>719165164
>you capped with a TV
I don't own a TV

>>719164902
The troll is obvious, but just to repeat it for anyone who might think they have a point: Even the 5090 can't run games at 4k@60fps, let alone 120fps or beyond, consistently at Ultra. Raytracing is entirely out of the question unless you also activate framegem AND DLSS. And even then, it will struggly in a variety of games.

4k is a meme unless you can't see the difference between 30 and 60 FPS.

Halfway point between smart TV and a dumb TV
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/cbd21d5f
It even runs Linux

>>719163295
4k is fine on 32" and above but this isn't really a desktop size anymore. For 27" it's nonsense unless you're glued to your monitor but then you won't be able to perceive the whole display so you constantly have to shift focus, move eyes or your head and at the recommended viewing distance the difference between 1440p and 4k is insignificant. However the real reason why 4k is shit right now is cause most GPUs only achieve it via memescaling. On top of this you have issues with OS scaling still sucking hard.

>>719165354
what games can a 5090 not run 4k?

>>719165245
I've got 4k 240hz. But understand the benefits of higher refresh rate, like in any competitive game. Some of LG's 4K 240hz OLEDs include the option to change your native res to 1440p and higher refresh. Problem is that it doesn't look very good and you'd likely be better served if you just had a 1440p monitor for games like Valorant/CS or something.

TVs with an OS on them spy on you

>>719165207
I have a 65" 4k LG C2 120Hz OLED TV which I could connect to my 4090 if I wanted to do that. I usually don’t bother though as 3440x1440 has usually a bit more performance to offer.

>>719165538
anyone saying they can feel a difference with fps over 90hz is retarded.

>>719165643
so upgrade

>>719165398
The MGS game that just came out

>>719165690
is that it?

>>719165538
4k doesn't divide evenly to 1440p so of course it's going to look like shit

>>719143367 (OP)
Monitors, you get whats advertised with them more often than not
TVs you have to research every model and decipher all the marketing terms every manufacturer uses to figure out what your tv actually outputs. Only does 4k in this mode, 120hz in that other mode but not 4k, also that's not really 4k the TV uses an upscaler, "hdr" but its the lowest spec so its worthless(monitors have this shit too), etc

>>719165690
https://youtu.be/kGgHP7qTDjw

>>719165684
Offer me an upgrade that can max out every current AAA game 3440x1440p at 165 Hz and I’ll buy it. Then I’ll consider 4k.

>>719165801
games don't need to divide resolutions anon.

>>719165649
I can feel the difference between 144hz/165hz and 240hz. It's noticeable. But i don't think it will ever be truly a big leap until we have better motion blur reduction methods available. Right now BFI doesn't cut it. Still waiting on things like gsync pulsar.

>>719165864
I don't care what you do or how shit your games run. I just find it funny how you'd rather complain about your games running like shit than upgrade so they don't

>>719164741
I'm aware, the automated message/process pops up twice yearly, maybe thrice?

What you're warning me and others about is the equivalent of the long term dangers of potassium overconsumption in bananas. Or that my city's water supply has 12% more microplastics than average and those will shave off 2 years of my life.

Yeah comes with the territory I guess, but I'm getting all the other massive advantages for that little slight. If I used an LCD as the main monitor I'd have a 80% worse experience during my 10.3 years of use - good thing I can trade that last 0.3 for 80% improved quality. And as I mentioned, I've yet to use my warranty, any day now I can get a brand new panel delivered and intalled at home to start from scratch.

Lastly, I'm a drawfag, I've bought "professional grade" >$1000 non-OLEDs prior to 2020 and I've used a variety of pen displays (a couple of them also above that price) boasting about their qualities. The OLED mogs them all, not even close, nevermind gaming or work, it's just so much better for procrastinating too.

>>719165840
>3 grand gpu
>can't even keep fps at a solid 60 fps
>much less hit 120 fps

Have a 4k 240hz panel and my only complaint is VRR flicker. Gets bright enough that it’s uncomfortable at max brightness, motion clarity and colors are nuts.

>>719157478
>OLED TVs
Mine is constantly scanning my local network and it's impossible to stop it from advertising itself as a bluetooth host. The amount of spyware on them is insane.

>>719166102
>game runs like shit on every system
>durrr it's teh gpu fault

>>719167051
It's a mixture of the GPU, the game devs and the shitty UE5 engine

>>719167145
how fucking braindead can someone be. you're a lost cause.

>>719167340
Oh big brain nigga, tell me why the game runs like shit

>>719167051
Well it would run better if the GPU was better. Anything else is just excuses.

>>719161982
>guys i think i have solved monitors
>16:9
>60Hz
>VA
>4K meme
If you want a cheap basic monitor for light gaming and productivity I'd suggest Dell P2425 or Dell UP3017 if you don't mind buying used tech. For high end LG 27GX700A is probably the one to get. Anything mid range not worth it.

>>719149710
>Again, who uses VRR?
Just about every modern monitor has VRR
>it implemented well in all games?
It's done at driver level, if a game is has a fluctuating frame rate, you won't see tearing within the monitor's VRR range. Also useful for if you have a 144hz display and want to play a game that is locked to 60 or some other framerate and not see tearing. Or if you're playing a game at 144hz and then the game has 30 fps CG cutscenes, without VRR those would tear like a motherfucker
>I just limit fps and I'm good to go.
If you think that is fine without VRR you're probably getting driver level v-sync which can be laggy as fuck depending on the game or driver implementation. You're probably getting triple buffered vsync which is nowhere near as bad as double buffered vsync, but VRR with globally capped FPS 3 below the displays refresh rate (141 cap on 144hz) gives you the smoothest frame times without massive traditional vsync lag.
>https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/14/

>>719161982
OLED or bust. I can't afford OLED but it's what I aspire to

>>719169114
Enjoy your burn in and wasted money, megafaggot

>>719143367 (OP)
Monitors for high framerate (60fps+), TV for high resolution (4k+) but usually run at 30fps.

Alright, may as well ask. I want to upgrade to OLED. I have a 32" 120hz monitor but it's an IPS and the backlight/black balance is killing me. I don't want anything larger because of my setup (I actually sit in front of it at a desk and have limited space). Maybe a tad bigger but that's the sweet spot for me. Searching around is a fucking nightmare these days because everything wants to go higher and/or has shitty listings or just returns TVs.

I want a
>Monitor
>OLED of some type
>120hz
>32" or around that
>Gsync compatible or similar
>Maybe Display Port, definitely multiple inputs
>Somewhat reasonable price (Preferably not $900 or some shit)

Any recommendations or specific models?

Why is this so hard to find these days? Tired of tech just shoving everything up as hard as it can and doing its best to spy when I just want a simple mid-to-high range device.

>>719171637
Fuck, forgot to add
>preferably 1440p (4K is a meme for games and I don't know if cranking it down still has issues like old TVs and monitors did)
>Not fucking Samsung, every piece of shit device I ever had minus SSDs that crapped out on me of any type is Samsung

>>719170646
>burn-in
Faulty or heavily used unit

>>719171952
>heavily used
What is gaming.

>>719171637
There are very few 2k oleds, just go to the local electronics store website and filter by oled/2k, chances are ythey will present you everything that is actually available

>>719171637
oleds start at 240hz
1440p is 27 inches starting with $450 and 4k is 32 inches starting with $800

>>719170646
Literally not an issue with modern OLEDs

>>719172368
I agree with your post except for the part where you said
>Literally not an issue with modern OLEDs
If literally is

>>719172262
Heavily used = 24/7 for a prolonged amount of time. E.g. if a monitor was displayed in a store and played barely moving blue animation/showed static picture for a year non-stop. You playing vidya even for 8h a day wont do shit

>>719172486
somehow i don't believe you're speaking from experience and are instead passing on shit you heard in your game of internet telephone

TO BE HONEST
4k doesnt seem like a meme with 5070ti super/5080 super coming(if leaks are true)

It looks liken they're introducing 175Hz monitors or whatever, what does that bring over previous 120 or 144Hz refresh rates? I mean, 120 and 144 make sense, they're divisible by 24. 175 isn't divisible by anything that makes sense, nor 24, nor 30.
So, the fuck is that refresh rate for?

>>719172810
>+2% performance will un-meme it

>>719172936
Base 5070ti/5080 are already ok at 4k, super versions will have 24gb VRAM at the same MSRP

>>719172917
Since vrr introduction mit doesn’t really matter, just an option better than 144 and cheaper than 240

>>719147821
>-ABL can't be disabled
Truly the worst offender. I use my TV as my PC monitor. ABL shit means when you open the fucking Google page, that fucking ABL shit kicks in. Awful.
Funny how 'they' traded good WHITES for BLACKS.
Really makes me think.

>>719173191
more vram doesn't mean shit when it's not even being filled up to begin with like with the 5080
4k means conceding on being stuck with upscaling at 60fps

>>719172810
It's still a meme with these cards. Mate, the 5090 is currently able to run most of the demanding games at 60+ FPS at max settings. However, it's already a close call with some (Black Myth Wukong, STALKER, the latest FF come to mind), so it won't be long until it will fall under 60 FPS with newer games, especially what with the UE situation (regardless of whether it's an inherent engine issue or a dev skill issue, the end result is the same).

The 5070/5080 upgrades are 1440p cards, or you can run 4k with lower details or intense DLSS. But why go 4k at all then?

>>719143367 (OP)
What TV do I need to connect my PC so I can game on it? Have a samsung I bought like 3 years ago that works but when I connect my PC and try to game, it has awful screen tearing and when I try to set it to "game mode" it stops recognizing my PC.

>>719172343
>>719172362
Okay, that's helpful. Shit, do they really not sit at 120? I was only looking at that for price reasons assuming 4K MAXXX 240HZ DICKEXPLODER was expensive for no reason. Shit. Still want 32". Do they still have issues with colors/refresh running 1440p like old monitors and TVs used to running below native, or just buy the big thing and crank it down? Any suggestions with those specs in mind?

>>719143428
You're aware that Nvidia GPU comes with HDMI?

Anyway I prefer TV because the screen is bigger.

I haven't gone monitor shopping in like 6 years and realized after getting a new laptop that has a better screen than my main PC, I need a new one.
I have a 4070 super. What buzzwords and features am I supposed to avoid and which should I be looking for? I'm tempted to just look at benq and get a $500ish dollar one and not bother with it.

I just want Ambilight to be native on all TVs... for fucks sake, the patent should have expired by now. I can't live without it anymore.

>>719175321
that's entry level oled pricing, you can get a 1440p 240hz one for $450
from there you can either go for 4k for $350 more or 360hz or 480 hz for $200 or $400 more if you care

>>719143367 (OP)
TVs usually have lower refresh rates and are less likely to have adaptive sync support

>>719149710
>My OLED stays at 0 brightness during morning/night, 30 most of the day, 60 if I have my skylight window directly in front of it open, maaaybe 80 when pushing it.

You're supposed to use 100% brightness when using HDR. You're not even using the monitor right. I seriously hope you aren't using OLED without HDR, what a fucking waste.

>>719175565
They also have higher input lag

>>719175697
you buy oleds for how everything looks, not to blast yourself with light
dim monitors in the dark look just as good as bright monitors in a lit up room

>>719176068
No they don't. That isn't how HDR works, retard. HDR has meta data that tells each part of the monitor how bright it should be. If the monitor isn't capable of displaying such brightness it has to tonemap the content and it doesn't look right.

>>719158324
>240hz
Aka "I love potato graphics, but at least it's smooth"

>>719149710
>My OLED stays at 0 brightness during morning/night, 30 most of the day, 60 if I have my skylight window directly in front of it open, maaaybe 80 when pushing it. Unless your room is surrounded by natural light on all sides, maximum brightness is never an issue. If you live in a mansion with fully structural windowed walls then sure.
Brightness is not the main issue with light in the room. I got my first OLED recently and I absolutely love it but it's an issue. Any amount of daylight it's like a mirror. I can see my face clearly in it during dark scenes, and in brighter scenes it still lifts the blacks and ruins the contrast. This is with my blinds drawn. I have hung up a black linen sheet behind me with pins so the magnolia wall doesn't beam into the screen, which actually gives me an almost flawless experience after 10pm. I usually game in a black sweater too. Without the sheet there, the light from the screen alone is enough to illuminate the wall behind me and lift the blacks. I feel like for it to be no issue at all even in daylight you'd have to have blacked out windows, dark walls, dark clothes and either be black or wear a balaclava.

>>719167538
because it's been coded shit.

>>719175697
I do when a game warrants it. On PS5 the mode & brightness change accordingly because it's set up well. That being said I don't play moviegames where most HDR implementations are done well, the superior nippon engineers are 2 decades behind on that.

On windows with my 3 monitor setup it's a fucking nightmare because MS is incompetent and hasn't done anything good to this day, especially if you don't want to fullscreen mode the game. Outside games the HDR is terrible. I don't consume westernshit movies so I have no clue if they do it well. 99.999% of Youtube videos don't use it (if any), neither does any other media I consume.

OLED mogs everything else outside HDR too, it's clear as day even for a half blind person. It's a nice bonus I guess, but a whole lot of industries need to do a better job with standarization & implementation for it to "just work" on PC.

You know when you open an archaic jap porn game that doesn't scale at all in windowed mode and if you full screen it, all monitors spasm out for a few seconds, windows then changes the resolution of your main monitor to match the game's 980x654, and it's somehow still cropped? HDR on multi-monitors with different resolutions and technology is on that level of nightmare still.

>>719176702
Weird. Isn't most of that due to glossy vs matte screens though? You could try to install a matte film over the monitor I guess?
That wouldn't be an OLED issue per se, but more of a true black issue, and you'd only experience good contrast with blinding brightnesses of samsung tv's that push the blacks up to gray and whites up to staring at the sun - that way a small amount of light bleed wouldn't affect it.

I'd experiment with the matte texture first tho, AFAIK it's just glass so you can use cheap ones made for windows/doors.

>>719176691
4k 240hz. But in truth it's on some older titles in which i run it on. Sometimes i play Battlefront 2 for example. Games that generally still look pretty good like this are awesome with this monitor.

>>719143367 (OP)
Pretty sure it doesn't matter even in fighting games now. No more 1frame links

>>719161592
>HOWEVER since HDMI 2.1 you can pass internet through hdmi cable and I fully expect that once 2.1 becomes the requirement it they will either force some kind of internet connection
Isn't it optional like literally everything else in the 2.1 standard

>>719178261
Yeah. I have the Samsung g9 and while it's great and all there are very few games I play that I can push 240fps on max. Older games I might want to play are either locked framerate or don't have super ultrawide support.

>>719177758
I tried going to HDR on windows after using Linux a bit and couldn't stand it. HDR just works on KDE plasma.

>>719159227
You're a meme and I fucked you're mom LMAO

Dear monons,
The human eye, for most people, can't pick up the differences in frame rates beyond 60 FPS. There are some morons who's eyes can, but they a significant minority compared to the herd of sheep you all are a part of.
Secondly, the human eye, for most people, can distinguish the resolution differences between 1080p and 1440p. But, they cannot perceive the difference between 1440 and 4k.
So why then, do morons pretend like they can, you might ask?
It's quite simple. Human beings are morons. Simpletons easily programmed through marketing media and social influence to believe they can. Social pressures also dictate they must agree or be separated from the herd.
So, you see, you simpleton morons?... All you need is 1440p at 60 FPS.

>>719181493
>The human eye, for most people, can't pick up the differences in frame rates beyond 60 FPS
Stopped reading here sonybro

>>719143394
bigger screen is always better for gaming unless you are some retarded esports shitter

>>719181493
you haven't seen a screen above 60hz and it shows

>>719145948
that is a lot of words to simply tell us that you are poor

>>719181927
>>719181989
>The social media addicted SHEEP bay out in pain

>>719182189
i have a 144hz screen and i'm soon buying a 360hz oled and then a 4k 480hz oled
cope eyelet
or should i say poorfag because you're filtered by the $100 entry barrier for a $100 144hz monitor

>>719182189
>My shitty underpowered console can't output more than 60 frames so that means anything higher doesn't exist!
At least you updated the script from 30 frames lol

>>719158324
>TVs are not for gaming
tvs have been the primary screens used by gamers for decades.
modern tvs have all the same features as monitors do. higher refresh rates, lower iput lag, etc

>>719182436
Naw, they actually don't. Your favorite YooToober tell you that, lil chud?