Thread 719146185

Statements I never want to hear again in my life.
"Mists of Pandaria was the best wow expansion"

Its absolutely dead, nobody is playing it, its the biggest ever drop in the classic playerbase.

This expansion sucked. End of story.

>>719146185 (OP)
>This expansion sucked
Everybody who played during it knew this

>>719146185 (OP)
>"Mists of Pandaria was the best wow expansion"
Nobody ever said that though.

>>719146227

This was said on /v 1000s of times.

>>719146210
>>719146227
So, zoomers only think with their dick and the circles he's in almost certainly have people who jerk it to anthro full spread eagle panderians talking about how the update is xi xi Ong bussin type shit.

>>719146227
tpbp

>>719146294
Pretty sure people said class design was peak during Mists, you have to be pretty retarded to conflate that to meaning the whole expansion was great.

>Its bad because autistic retards who replay the same game 20x times and speak in twitch emotes dont like it
Ok.

>>719146349

so you are telling me class design doesnt matter at all?
why is nobody playing it?

I was fine with Mists until the grand enemy decided to be bugs.
Yes yes I know, Nerubians were always in Warcraft since 3 but God damn i got tired of Mist raiding fighting bugs.

>>719146185 (OP)
Mists of Pandaria was the best wow expansion

>>719146381
Anon. Stop going full retard.

Meanwhile in reality

>>719146490

take another shot with your chart zoomed out.

>>719146490
Zoom out

>>719146349
>spam weak damage spells until you get a proc, then hit the glowing ability
yeah peak class design

play a pserver instead my dude

>>719146526
>>719146551
Trend is going up, hitting sunwell/ICC levels, soon going to hit naxx levels of hype.

>>719146785
LMAOOOO

>>719146185 (OP)
There's around 200k people raidlogging, that's not amazing numbers, but it's far from dead. There are 30-40 person world boss groups being formed on my server nearly all day long, and several raid pugs every night, and I'm on like the 5th highest pop alliance server. I know a lot of people are invested in it failing, but it's not the reality.

>>719146785

holy shit that Wotlk spike.
I will be shocked if they bother doing wod if panda is a 70% drop in numbers already.
Id expect WOD to prob be another 50% drop from Panda.

>>719146430
the mantid are only the enemy in 1 raid out of 5 thobeit, besides a very minor part of SoO. the mogu have more presence being the main enemy of 2 raids.

>>719146785
kek what a dishonest cocksucker

>>719146969
Panda wasn't the big drop off from Wrath though, Cata was. and they still decided to go through with MoP. I think they will speenrun WoD even if it loses subs just banking on Legion bringing numbers up because it's probably the most memed expansion after Wrath.
but what will be interesting is whether MoP has a big decline within its own lifespan like Cata did or if it remains relatively stable where it is. cause if it remains stable, it will end up having better numbers than Cata did for most of its run. if it has a similar dropoff, then things will be looking grim.

>>719146969
>>719147191
They aren't sure what to do after MoP

Classic BFA soon

>>719147350
>wotlk with my mists of pandaria
why?

>>719147350
I'm pretty sure they send out these surveys during every version.
but yeah, I imagine they're tentative about continuing because WoD is such an unpopular expansion. on the other hand, Legion is quite popular. they're not going to skip an expansion because that would be a mess and an admission that their product was bad, which they'll never do. so they have to weigh if going through the WoD slump is worth the return that Legion will (hopefully) bring them. I imagine they're testing the waters with Legion remix to see how it would be received (remember they did the same thing with MoP remix before announcing MoP classic)

>>719147505
because there are people who don't want to continue to retail or later expansions, but also don't want to abandon their characters from classic.
that's not gonna happen though, rolling back characters and losing mounts / achieves etc would be a shitshow. these types of surveys just throw out a wide net of options to get a pulse on how people feel, some likelier than others

>>719147505
If you thought wotlk was the peak and want to rollback your current characters to it

>>719146210
It was good for its time for world PvP, it came out before the dimensional merge of the servers

>>719146185 (OP)
what i dont understand is why does anyone like any expansion? i first started playing wow with the release of classic and when they had tbc classic, it immediately felt like retail. like imagine if in old school runescape they release an expansion and none of it has anything to do with what was in the regular world that was already there

>>719147532
Problem with Legion is that it's so fucking farm heavy. Classic players are login-logout raid loggers, but they'd be forced to do world quests and AP/leggo farming all day and would get burnt out quickly. WOD would probably be better received

>>719147630
nostalgia. it's true, tbc and wrath have more in common with retail than vanilla, but they get a pass by people because that's when they started playing the game.

>>719147350
>(with my mist of pandaria characters)

>>719147716
classic is always on last patch of the expac so some of the grinding would be reduced at least.
but yeah I actually think WoD will do better than people expect, most people left playing MoP at this point are raidloggers, and for all the hate WoD gets (most of it deserved) its raids were actually well received and it will be on a super accelerated schedule so no content drought. it will lose some subs but probably not a disastrous amount. as long as there's 100k+ raidloggers still willing to log in every week, that probably justifies the cost of running the servers. there's like two people on the classic team, it's not expensive for Blizzard.

>>719146785
Proof of what we all knew - Disneyclysm killed WoW.
For how 'hard' Cataclysm was marketed, one waltz through the punny-cringe, poop-joke expansion was enough.

>>719146185 (OP)
I'm having fun.

>>719146185 (OP)
Yes they killed horde and did not let horde players follow Garrosh stupid shit

MoP was a good expansion, but it was retail, and people who play retail will play the last version of retail.
The only expansion with noticeable nostalgia are Classic, wotlk, and MAYBE legio.

>>719146185 (OP)
We already played the Pandaria remix something like a year ago, I don't need top play it again.

>>719146381
>so you are telling me class design doesnt matter at all?
This is /v/, people here don't play games for the gameplay, hence the gameplay is irrelevant.

>>719146185 (OP)
It's shit because Blizzard botched it hard by starting to do class balancing and by adding garbage loot pinata celestial dungeons

>>719148057
>nooooooooo I have to know which class is going to be OP for the entire expansion!!!
Get fucked shitter

>>719148117
No one complained about that in vanilla, tbc, wotlk, or cataclysm retard
You either start class balancing from the very beginning of Classic or you don't do it at all

>>719148165
>No one complained about that in vanilla, tbc, wotlk, or cataclysm retard
Yeah they did, and there was class balancing during Wrath. Vanilla and TBC would have been much better if they'd fixed the classes / specs that didn't work at all and nerfed the overperformers.

>>719146185 (OP)
how is this even a thing? classic shit should have ended at wrath
nobody asked for anything after wrath

>>719148165
they did it for MoP specifically because there was some crazy inflation in the last patches of MoP. it's the whole reason they did a stat squish in WoD. some classes would have been utterly broken.

>>719148270
plenty of people asked or it wouldn't have happened. they poll the players regularly. you underestimate raidloggers, once you get them on the treadmill they won't stop.

Wrath has more in common with Cata and MoP than it does with vanilla btw you just excuse it because you're nostalgic for it

>>719148436
>you just excuse it because you're nostalgic for it
TRVKE

Expansion itself isn't bad, Classic outside Anniversary servers is because of GDKP and RMT

>>719146915
>There's around 200k people raidlogging

I'd bet my house there's less than 30k real humans playing multiple characters, the numbers are spiked from all the characters doing GDKP raids (you get paid with gold bought via RMT, GDKP is a huge money laundering scheme) getting more gold (that they later sell through RMT)

>>719148436
personally I enjoyed MOP bc of the end of xpac island where me and the bois could do silly ass ganks.
but still.. the main cannon story ends at wrath

>>719148352
>some classes would have been utterly broken.
How can you look at warriors in vanilla and not think they were utterly broken?

>>719146210
Anyone with taste quit within a month of cataclysm dropping

>>719146185 (OP)
it has the talent system that retail wow abandoned in favor of "more complexity", it has the ability bloat that these players claim to hate in retail (alot of retail classes have braindead rotations and now have a one button rotation system).

Basically, the cognitive dissonance is too great, that not even the classic shill streamers can ever justify. It's so funny to see them just playing in silence not answering any questions anymore.

>>719148696
oh they are, but vanilla players are the biggest crybabies of any group and would throw an absolute shitstorm if they touched that. also, warriors were broken for more fundamental reasons than they just had their scaling cranked up in the final patch, which is the case in MoP.

>>719148674
>the numbers are spiked from all the characters doing GDKP raids
That's been the case for every version of classic. it was probably even worse during Wrath.
In any case, I can find groups for world bosses all day long, raids pretty much any day I want, and dungeon queues are short, and I'm not even on a megaserver. Certainly doesn't feel dead to me. Sorry that doesn't fit your narrative

boomer nostalgia: vanilla
third worlder nostalgia: wotlk
zoomer nostalgia: mop

>>719146185 (OP)
It has kung-fu pandas. I am sorry you're a joyless cunt.

>>719148674
I just play with the same guild I've been in since classic launched. Good times, no GDKP, fun and friendly environment.

ITT: turtle trannies and epoch idiots cry over offical wow servers are still lightyears better than their cucked, run by accension, servers.

Face it. Not matter how much you cry, blizz will never die. Every private server is a ghost town when compared to retail or mop classic.
You think you do but you don't was always right. Classic is dead, retail and progression are what people want, what they got and what they are playing.

stay mad fag. It's the only thing you can do.

>>719149628
/v/eddit isn't ready for a TRVKE like this.

I played Wrath classic and wanted to try Cata classic, but real life got in the way.
MoP just looks like screen vomit and I honestly don't see the appeal. If anything the community probably got even more ridiculous with the number of players dropping. It's just over for classic sadly; and TBC anniversary will be the next train to hop on.

>>719146185 (OP)
Why isn't classic just vanilla -> woltk on repeat with seasonal shit thrown in for each cycle?

>>719146915
Who the fuck on Earth would want to re-raid Mogu'shan Vaults and Heart of Fear?

Just typing that bummed me out. Fuck, those were crappy miserable raids with bad drops.

Isle of Thunder and ToT were okay. Siege is great, but I'm not playing that whole fucking xpac to see that again.

>>719146785
Proof "Classic" should have never done beyond Wrath.

>>719146185 (OP)
Imagine paying Blizztard for access to WoW in [current year]. You really have to be terminally domesticated debtcattle to even consider it.

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/c/in-development/patch-1125-public-test-realm/326
https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1n05s50/legion_remix_the_sacrificial_lamb_of_the_remix/
https://old.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1n11re2/legion_remix_and_how_it_differs_from_the_mop/

>>719146185 (OP)
It was the best but I'm not playing WoW in 2025.

>>719148270
>classic shit should have ended at wrath
classic should have ended at tbc
dungeon and raid finder, barterer, transmog, achievements and more don't belong in classic

>>719147350
They should just maintain frozen servers for TBC and WotLK. Or make fresh servers every so often if you like, or just make new content for those two if you like. I don't care. Literally no expansions other than TBC and Wrath matter

>>719146185 (OP)
WoW Midnight Classic when

>>719146210
Anyone with taste quit within a month of PandaLand dropping

>MoP is already suffering with playerbase decrease
>Blizzard introduces Midnight
>Losing even more MoP players to Retail

You can't be this incompetent by sabotaging your own version, right?

Or is it Blizzard sending a message that Classic WoW is finally dead so that they can prove that Classic players were wrong to begin with?

>MoP
>classic
>retardedicecream.png

>>719146349
>Pretty sure people said class design was peak during Mists, you have to be pretty retarded to conflate that to meaning the whole expansion was great.
No, they said that MoP was the best expansion full stop. Stop trying to backpedal.

>>719146434
haha, good one anon

>>719146185 (OP)
i'll still take it over TBC, cata, WOD and everything from BFA and after

>>719151978
>dungeon and raid finder, barterer, transmog, achievements and more don't belong in classic
Neither do Arenas, Flying mounts, tokens, draenei or blood elves or killing beloved warcraft 3 characters

They killed SoD for this?

I feel like any retard from /v/ could run this company better

>>719146185 (OP)
Wasn't the "MOP was good" crowd mainly about gameplay aspects of how all the classes were actually viable and generally balanced, as well as the nice music and some beautiful Pandaria zones?
Plus it was the last expansion where Garrosh was involved and also, for warlockfags, the last expansion when they had Metamorphosis in their kit (before DH).

>>719147350
Why are they so fixated on letting people keep their Classic characters? They've created so many dead servers and version forks because of this

>>719155423
>as well as the nice music and some beautiful Pandaria zones?
Pandaria is awful. The zones are tiny and empty. There are also no Pandas in Pandaria. I repeat: There are no Pandas in Pandaria.

Strongfat panda ladies are sexo.
Never played wow and never will.

>>719147350
They should have TBC and WoTLK Era servers with yearly reset and stop the Classic Expirement.

Classic+ is maximum cope. No need to bother with that shite. Classic Era is good enough version and with good community whatever you want to do.

>>719155590
>Classic+ is maximum cope. No need to bother with that shite.
Yeah except it's extremely popular

>>719155423
The only one who says MoP was good are the wow dev sock puppet accounts on their forums.

>>719155678
It is for 3 hours until you realize you are playing a 20 year old game. It's cope.

What Classic+ players truly want is a WoW 2 with a new game engine, new mechanics. A complete overhaul of its predecessor.

>>719155751
>What Classic+ players truly want is a WoW 2 with a new game engine, new mechanics. A complete overhaul of its predecessor.

Of course, but that won't happen and if it does it won't be good.

>>719155751

yup watch this video. Turtlewow made a full on classic + which is basically what bliz would make for classic+ but better. Here is the trailer.
It just doesnt make me want to play. The whole engine needs an overhaul and start again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oew8UPWNaA

MoP IS good, it just has a meme first phase with tons of daily grinding
ToT and SoO are both great raids and don't have nearly as much busywork

>>719155824
I tried Turtle WoW as High Elf Warrior. I got tired of the game once I did the same old Darkshore quests.

What I truly want is a brand new experience.

COPE

>>719146185 (OP)
I liked a lot of MoP for its content and class design despite the shitting setting. But that was then, not now. I'm not going backwards and people seem done with MMO's overall.

>mists of pandaria
>classic
Good lord time flies.

>>719147350
they should stop at the end of legion and reset everything to fresh then just keep repeating the cycle every 10 years

>>719156103
They're just going through expansions fast.

>>719155203
>MoP
>classic
>WilhelmScream.wav

why would you play blizzslop instead of swtor

>>719156053
There is a massive burnout going on between WoW players.

>MoP players realizing that Midnight gives an actual challenge in raids and arena because MoP is Retail, not Classic.
>Classic Fresh already preparing for TBC
>SoD is dying due to no new content announced
>Epoch and Turtle WoW are oversaturating the Classic+ market with bugs, broken classes and shady as fuck donations
>Classic Era and Hardcore players living on their bubble with stable community.

There is 6 official WoW games to play on Blizzard. 3 Classic+ on Private Servers. Also Warmane with WoTLK and TBC. That's total 10 WoW versions you can choose to play.

>>719146185 (OP)
It was a decent xpac that was sandwiched in between 2 completely shit ones. The early raids were fun, it had a nice aesthetic, introduced a fun new class, and pvp (outside of hunter stampede (even post nerf) and warlock pet sack/chaos bolt) was probably the most fun it'd ever been up to that point. I do think if WoD wasn't a complete piece of shit it wouldn't be looked upon as fondly though. Especially when SoO is one of the worst raid tiers of all time and lasted half the expansion. I suspect when SoO releases in classic and people realize that half the fights are CBT in video game form and there's no other tiers after that it will kill this "Modern Classic server" experiment for good

People already played MOP Remix, that's why many won't bother.

>>719146185 (OP)
>Could have finally gotten that Southsea's expansion
>Got wasted on Pandaland
Shame, Pandaria could have been a cool subset of the South Seas. But instead Blizz just completely sold out for the China market.

wait, MoP classic released?
classic should only exist for the first 3 expansions
after wrath they reset, thats it
thats when the game died for 99% of people anyway, that was the real ending

>>719156305
SoO is good but yeah 13 months of it obviously soured people to it. I quit and came back a few times during SoO because it lasted so damn long.

>>719156417
Cataclysm Classic could have had potential if Blizzard kept pre-nerfed Heroics and raids as the original Cataclysm had.

>>719146185 (OP)
>Its absolutely dead, nobody is playing it
but enough now about "the flopsoul saga" retail

>>719156279
Blizzard needs to gamble on classic+. If it works its a shot of new energy. If it fails they can just pivot to rolling Classic/TBC/Wotlk Fresh servers. There's no reason not to try at this point.

>>719156417
>classic should only exist for the first 3 expansions
>after wrath they reset, thats it
Classic shouldn't exist with any expansions

>>719156513
>Blizzard's Classic+ without new engine

Pass. Turtle and Epoch are already giving that service for free.

>>719156558
found the warrior / rogue main

I remember when /v/ was relentlessly shitposting throughout 2017 and 2018 and 2019 that Classic would be "dead in a month"

and yet here we are

>>719155423
>>719155713
i only knew pandaria through questing having started the game around legion's end
i thought it was the best expansion for quest stories aside from the elwynn-westfall-redridge combo which was an inferior version of the original that i later got to play in classic
being sandwiched between cata and wod stuff also made me appreciate it

What people mean by Classic+

>New Engine
>Reboot the entire Warcraft lore and start over
>Reboot all the classes
>Make Azeroth 10 times bigger than the predecessor since computers are more powerful than 20 years ago in 2004.
>No more Seasons or Expansions, update the content constantly

>>719146185 (OP)
its great and its not dead at all.

>>719156219
Nooooooooo!!! It's supposed to be DEAD!!!!

>>719155678
>Yeah except it's extremely popular
so popular that SoD dropped off hard after its first phase and never recovered

>>719146185 (OP)
i'm enjoying it and our guild fills raids to 25 with no pugs, that's all i care about

>mop
>is now classic

>>719157438
Correct. Cope, vanilla andy

>>719157306
Holy KEK!

>>719156869
Vanilla had a fuckload of unfinished content, so it was the prime time to put that in.
The problem is that anyone who worked on the game and was worth a dime already left so you have migrant workers and WoWfag millenials working on the game, who have absolutely no clue how to make a good video game.
This comes from the concept of OG wow devs being metal heads and hikers. They had a life OUTSIDE of the video game. And no matter how passionate you are if your life experience boils down to "I played WoW" you'll never make anything good. Elwynn is probably the best example of this. Compare it to any modern WoW forest, you can immediately notice why Elwynn works, while the rest doesn't.

>>719157640
pretty much aligns with my opinion on the project as a whole, yeah
Phase 1 was kino, phase 2 was okay, but everything after that was "retail minus" as the devs had no fucking clue what made vanilla special and turned the game into retail more and more with every phase

>>719157729
>Vanilla had a fuckload of unfinished content
More content doesn't fix the core issue of something like 4 specs total being viable and only 1 spec out of all of them being fun to play.

>>719146185 (OP)
MoP undoubtedly was the greatest time I ever had in WoW and was the best expansion

>>719146185 (OP)
It has the best class design, and I still maintain that. Just because Blizzard is desaturating the playerbase and all the streamers are on OSRS won't change that. The only thing I'm not enjoying is that the realm I play on is full of South American spics.

>>719156279
what does midnight have to do with mop, did you just typo

>>719156558
so play era, that's literally what it is

>>719157947
MoP is Retail Lite.

>mfw all the faggots thinking this was gonna be a resurgence in WoW classic

It feels so fucking vindicating seeing this furfag expansion flop. Shits so dead that blizz is checking to see how they want to sunset classic since its obvious no one wants WoD.

It's not the best expansion but it's the last time that the game had soul and fun classes; WoD pruned abilities and oversimplified the game and it never recovered after that

>>719157815
>the devs had no fucking clue what made vanilla special
Neither do the players desu.
That PvP event in Ashenvale had the potential to be amazing fun, but extremely few were interested in having fun, they just wanted their quick rep and to be done with it, preferably without any PvP at all. I'd make raid groups to go after stuff that wasn't the meta farm way and actually PvP and it was some of the most fun I've had in any game in years. But modern players don't care about fun.

>>719158007
>But modern players don't care about fun.
Did you miss out on the blood moon events? Most fun the game had been in at least a decade

>>719158550
>Did you miss out on the blood moon events?
Nah I played it a bit, but I wasn't a fan.

>>719146185 (OP)
MoP actually had good raids but I have no desire to play it again after I already did SoO for almost 2 years

>>719156219
>posts a raid group of about 40 people

>>719159741
>anon can't count

>>719146185 (OP)
Retail schizo getting raped by yet another version of classic

>>719149628
Retail is by far the most dead version of wow

they should create a “classic+” that it’s just vanilla and wrath fused together and polished making both expansions content worthwhile at max lvl 60 (tbc cucks can go play legion classic with their spaceships). remake storylines and new endings (no fire bolvar retardness)

>>719160132
They should have done this ten years ago when they saw OSRS worked

>>719146185 (OP)
>tfw everyone tried to bamboozle me on the "MoP was actually good" train
>resisted the urge to bother with it in any capacity
>dies immediately
Bullet fucking dodged.

You can't bamboozle a goblin main.

>>719146185 (OP)
>Release old WoW!
>OK here you go, but we've added back all the shit expansions you complained about
Do they not know what they fuck people meant when they said "We want classic WoW?"
They're just re-releasing the same expansions over and over again.

Just leave it at Cata or TBC and fucking DONT TOUCH IT for 10-20 years.

719160801
>it doesn't have 5 gorillion players so it is LE DEAD
yeah that sound about right for a gobnigger

>>719146185 (OP)
wait they actually got this far in classic? lol

>>719160953
classic era and anniversary are right there, sperg
nobody is forcing you to play MoP

>>719160132
they are doing a classic+tbc+wotlk server where all raids scale to the same level/ilvl but its only in fucking china

>>719160998
>classic era and anniversary are right there
Yeah and no one is playing that shit. MoP is more popular than all other non-retail versions of WoW combined.

>>719156270
They have no taste

>>719156814
It was mostly mazed retail rats begging people not to leave them

>>719146185 (OP)
THATS BECAUSE BFA IS THE BEST EXPANSION, LETS GO BFA BRO'S ITS CLASSIC TIME

Class design: TBC > Vanilla > WOTLK
Content: Vanilla > Ulduar/ICC > TBC > WOTLKNaxx / ToC
all I ever wanted was TBC's class design/talents/spells but in vanilla content

>>719162959
>all I ever wanted was TBC's class design/talents/spells but in vanilla content
So, are you a warlock or hunter main?

>>719163294
yes but also I don't want body type 2 night elf tanks holding aggro with a single thunder clap.

>>719163294
>if you like (expac) that means you MUST be a player of the top-tier dps spec
Seething.

>>719146185 (OP)
only vanilla wow is good you could build on it but nu-Blizzard would be way to fucking woke and retarded to do so.

>>719155496
they can't shake the fact that modern wow is an account game now, not a character game, even if classic wow was nothing like that

>>719146185 (OP)
maybe people just dont want to replay something they've already done on new characters?

>>719163542
>Seething.
Cope: >>719163481 >yes

>>719162959
it would be interesting if wow had stuck to a slower play style instead of the aoe fest of wotlk

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/legion-remix-will-be-a-flop/2158636

FFXIV WON

>>719164306
*run escape won

>>719155564
no faggot shit either, it was a different time

>>719146185 (OP)
Aside from tying dailies to rep gain, everything else is great
Blizzard really fucked with the game when they made it mandatory to log on everyday to grind instead of letting you go at your pace

>>719156219
A fair number of these are just mages using Mirror Image to make copies of themselves.

>>719162959
So you wanted the Hybrid tax on DPS where they bring more supportive elements to the party beyond raw DPS and the healers/tanks were balanced and had unique niches but could really do anything you needed them to.

As a Prot Paladin I hated TBC because everyone exclusively wanted Protadins for heroics and shit, no other tanks "allowed", so I'd be pestered by literally everyone.

>>719146185 (OP)
I am playing it though and it's the best iteration of Warcraft.

>>719146185 (OP)
Can someone explain to me why WoD is so vehemently hated? I leveled a character there when Sneedowlands was the new hotness and Old Draynor was fun to run around in and explore.

>everquest releases timelocked progression servers
>each expansion launches with all content unlocked and you get 2-3 months to farm it before the next expansion releases
>each year a new server is launched and the mazed players repeat the maze
>holly longdate came up with this and blizzard hired her from everquest
>blizzard could also do this and make fist over fist of money because everquest showed it works

>>719169330
>monkey people not playable
Why does Blizz consistently igore any good thing they have in setting?

What's your favorite WoW memory from MoP?

For me it was playing a Destro lock with Mannoroth's Fury and doing stupid crazy AoE on everything. As well as doing PvP and dropping Rain of Fire over the entire Arena so rouges couldn't use Stealth.

>>719169706
because wod had literally nothing to do and so much of its content was cut

>>719169893
>monkey people not playable
You've been able to make black characters since 2004.

>>719163570
>only vanilla wow is good you could build on it
The best thing about vanilla is no flying mounts, which means the world actually matters. But a lot of what WAS good is gone now, because people don't play it the same way they did 20 years ago. And there's a lot that's shit, like only a few specs being viable in endgame content and a lot of specs not functioning at all. With the exception of a fully geared and worldbuffed warrior, none of the classes are particularly fun to play and most of them only have a single button to press.

>>719147532
I can’t believe we might have Legion classic in a couple years. LEGION. Legion was less than 10 years ago. Legion ended a couple years before Covid. I still have vivid memories of my time with Legion, who I was at the time, what I wanted. It just doesn’t make sense. It’s way too soon for Legion classic

I hate that they killed the game with woke political shit.

>>719169893
ooked in the dooker

>>719169706
There was 3 raids for the whole expansion and literally nothing else to do. The entire expansion was log in, check your garrison table for your farmville dalies, log out. On top of that, the main hub being your garrison ensured you never saw another player. It might as well have been a single player game

All video game generals belong on /vg/

>already dead
>200k raiders in just NA alone
???

>>719146210
If was only good if (guess what) it was the first time you played wow

Peak PvP
Peak class design
Peak raids
Jade Forest and Kun-Lai Summit are top 10 leveling zones too

>>719147350
I simply can't fathom playing the old expansions again. Even if I didn't play classic, I started in TBC so it's the same shit
Already seen, already played

>>719147350
>No "Fix Warlords"

Lazy Devs

>wod classic soon
>then legion classic
jesus wtf is going on with time

Can you really call anything above WotLK "classic"?

>>719175790
Why does it matter what they call it? Doesn't change what it is.

>>719146185 (OP)
That's where I checked out during live back in the day, not surprised it killed classic today.
You can't make an entire expansion based around a fucking panda meme, much less make it China inspired after the success of Kung Fu Panda, it's retarded.

>>719174491
no

>>719176553
those madmen pulled it off, all the worst wow expansions are about orcs

>>719155019
I knew when they rolled out Cataclysm as quickly as they did that this was the plan all along. Only devs with actual mental illness would screw over their biggest cash cow in decades this quickly.

We all knew mop was gay. The furry porn addicts keep fighting though

>>719146185 (OP)
MoP was the best expansion, and I have no interest in playing a classic server when I already thoroughly experienced it.

>>719169706
The world and questing experience was praised at release, but WoD had one(1) content patch.
They literally abandoned it and left it unfinished because the movie flopped and they got orders to make a hard turn away from the WC1/2 orc callbacks.

>>719146185 (OP)
Classes design was at its peak at max level, but everything else sucked. It's like legionfags telling you legion wasn't shit because it introduced M+ while forgetting it introduced world quests and random drop legendaries.

>>719146185 (OP)
too many dailies and grind
and its time gated grind

>>719146185 (OP)
the dead reboot of the dead game is dead? WHOA dude, wow.. this really engages my neurons.

>>719146185 (OP)
Mists of Pandaria was the best expansion

>>719179134
>Packed servers of hundreds of thousands of people enjoying the game
>It's not the FOTM twitch game
>IT'S DEAD AAAHHH IM CRYING!