Thread 719146335

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/features/interviews/devil-may-cry-dragons-dogma-director-hideaki-itsuno-explains-why-he-left-capcom-and-whats-next/

Hopefully this is the end of people blaming Capcom for how Dragon's Dogma 2 turned out. Cause Itsuno made it clear everything is his fault and he deliberately designed his game to be hated by many.

(Not to mention even if Capcom fucked him over and didn't give him enough resources, Itsuno can blame no one but himself for stuff like a larger open world which makes the game worse than DD1).

based. if i was a game dev id want the same.

>>719146335 (OP)
I must not be the target audience then
Itsuno you hack, you lost me there

>>719146335 (OP)
This outs him as a blind hack. There's no fucking way he doesn't understand why fans of the first game are disappointed
"niche audience" my ass, you betrayed your own

>>719146335 (OP)
So he genuinely thought the game was fine as-is and was his vision in full? If so then eat a dick I'm ignoring your new studio.

>>719146335 (OP)
>(Not to mention even if Capcom fucked him over and didn't give him enough resources, Itsuno can blame no one but himself for stuff like a larger open world which makes the game worse than DD1)
To be fair, shit talking your former employee is a no-no, especially in a close-knit field like the Japanese gaming industry. But sure yeah, DD2 was Itsuno's responsibility. The dude aimed too high despite the limited resources he had and he paid a steep price for it.

He's lying through his teeth, there's no way Capcom didn't force his hand.

>>719146589
Did he aim too high? What exactly is ambitious about Dragon's Dogma 2? The game sucks ass but it isn't because it's trying and failing to do something novel and interesting, it's because it's Dragon's Dogma 1 but worse in every way.

>"Wow, this game is great, but sooo much jank. Imagine them making a sequel and improving on all that!"
...
>Our fans want a second game. So let's increase all the jank, because that's what set our game apart!
If capcom had taken over the wheel, it would genuinely have been a better game.

>>719146335 (OP)
>shitting on Nintendo
Based

Well that settles it, Itsuno has terrible vision. There's no way any clear sighted game designer would think having DD2's shit enemy variety, shitty static spawns for enemies spammed every few feet and almost complete lack of rewards for exploration "was a good thing that people wanted, actually".

Fraud hack

cope

Hope he dies in a car accident

>>719146335 (OP)
That interview makes it sound like he wanted out before he even started working on DMC5 and DD2, or at the very least wanted to pump out DD2 so he could move on to what he really wanted to do. If that were the case he should have just quit and let Kinoshita take over DD instead of half-assing a game just to get it out of the way. But I'm betting it's as simple as Capcom saying "we need DD2 released by this financial quarter, hell or high water" and he complied. Why leave on such a sour note when he could have done it on a high one with DMCV?

I'm sure he's taking the heat for Capcom. Work culture over there is still rather traditional.

"nah... I intended it for a niche audience unlike that stinky mass appealing Nintendo." Sounds like cope. I bet his tune would change if it was really successful.

>>719146335 (OP)
Unbelievable that there were still people defending Itsuno

>>719147732
As a player, I am still wondering if there's more than four skill buttons at a time, more than a handful of enemy types, any memorable NPCs the likes of which the first game was teeming with, or a good soundtrack like the first game had instead of generic western orchestralslop. Please "Actually..." me here, Itsuno.
It doesn't really matter what actually happened behind the scenes; either he's an absolute retard who had zero understanding of what was good about the first Dragon's Dogma, or he's a spineless cuck with zero integrity who was happy playing PR spokesman while Capcom butchering his pet project the second time. No matter which it is, I've lost all respect I had for him as a director instantly.

>>719146335 (OP)
>M-muh Nintendo is made for everyone but this is niche haha...
Fuck off. Everyone I know who played DD1 absolutely fucking adored it. DD2 wasn't divisive because it "wasn't for everyone", it was divisive because it was, at best, a side grade and at worst, a bigger, jankier, clumsier version of the first game. A game people had been waiting the better part of 12 years for.

>>719146335 (OP)
>Another boomer that will make a clone that will sell less and will quit as soon as he sees said clone sells less than the original ip then abandon the entire company

>>719146335 (OP)
All I really want for DD2 is better performance and more content. Specifically more monsters both large and small and some actual dungeons to adventure in.

>>719146697
with how fucked the AI code is and how nice the animation system is, I'm willing to bet they spend too much time on the core systems and then hastily slapped together the rest of the game

This doesn't surprise me at all. What Itsuno wants Dragons Dogma to be and what players want Dragons Dogma to be are clearly totally different.

Most players wanted DD2 to expand on the combat elements with more vocations and enemies, since that's what the DMC team is arguably best at. Itsuno however cares about the pawns and exploration, he wants to make games where you go on a "journey" with limited fast travel, somewhat similar to Death Stranding. I don't think he succeed, but that's clearly his intention. He could have easily made something more combat focused if he wanted but he didn't. Honestly he just seems sick of making typical combat games going by V in DMC5 and the Trickster vocation in DD2. Which makes me a bit worried about his new game.

>>719146532
he's just talking the marketing speech

>>719150286
>the pawns and exploration
which were also garbage

>>719150286
>Itsuno however cares about the pawns and exploration.

Exploration was kind of meh in DD2, I didn't find a single cave or location that really made me go "wow". Only really interesting part was the post game world. I mean shit, the first game had actual dungeons.

>DD2 opened everyone's eyes that Shitsuno was always a hack
>"N-no I just made a game for a niche audience haha"
Humiliation ritual 2 incoming

>>719150483
It didn't help that none of the gear was remotely interesting in the game. Would have been nice to find rewards that were cool there.

>>719150286
Aren't pawns even more limited in DD2 compared to DD1?

>>719150582
nah just the slow slide into irrelevance that happened to so many other japanese devs

>>719146532
The fans of the first game were not disappointed. DD2 is a good game, just not as good as Dark Arisen.

>>719146335 (OP)
>I made the game not like a Nintendo one to be liked by all the people
kek even a washed up game director knows Nintendo games are for literal braindead manchildren

>>719147796
I hope Hackzaki dies in a car accident too

>>719150610
No, pawn behavior is like the one thing they greatly expanded on in the sequel

>>719150721
This kills the discord tranny

>>719150286
>What Itsuno wants Dragons Dogma to be and what players want Dragons Dogma to be are clearly totally different
That makes zero sense considering he got so much right the first time and then streamlined a bunch of it in the second game. It really feels like corners were cut so they could hit a deadline but they wanted all the new stuff in so it was the old stuff that got trimmed down.

>>719146335 (OP)
Remember the marketing for DD2 heavily implied like 10+ more vocations than we got and everyone started shilling that but once it was revealed there was only going to be like 6 vocations it got very awkward

But is there anyone who can deliver a proper continuation of DD?

>>719151120
Unless they bring back Dark Arisen dev back, no.

Turns out DA wasn't for the DD audience then

>>719151082
They should have stopped believing after this was revealed

>>719146335 (OP)
DD2 proves that it was his fault that DMC2 was shit.

>>719146335 (OP)
Lmao tendies seething.
Based Itsuno the gatekeeper of Dragon's Dogma.

>>719151181
Wuzzat, I haven't played DD

>>719151204
He was only on DMC2 for 4 months, it wasn't much he could have done.

>Itsuno basically telling DD2 haters that they got filtered

kek based. DD2 was merely a victim of its hype cycle. People expected 20 classes, co-op, more content than DD1 with DA. The only true issue was the performance.

>>719146335 (OP)
>Itsuno indirectly calling Nintendo soulless
based

>>719151181
i remember the cope was that the other 9 vocations were on the back of the shirt lol

>>719151163
As good as DA was, the environment was way too samey , with the hub and the final city being the only real standouts, so they'd need someone else to design a proper world

>>719146335 (OP)
STILL
HAVING
A
BLAST

>>719150721
Dark Arisen can suck on my big fat balls the original game was better, DD2 didn't quite reach it but it's still a good game.

>>719151404
Still dilating on discord fellow sister!

>>719151259
Those are class icons and people thought there would be more.

>>719146335 (OP)
>Yes I butchered the original DD for it to be liked by a specific niche
just fuck off, you're a hack and let down everyone

>>719147732
>Fraud hack

>>719150862
this looks like a shop

Itsuno seems like one of those directors who's technically proficient but not as creatively blessed as he'd like to be. His best work is when he's building off other people's ideas (DMC, CvsS2). Dragon's Dogma was his big chance to create a new AAA IP completely from scratch and the reaction was overwhelmingly "This is flawed, but unique and cool!" then when he had a chance to make things right with DD2 he basically didnt listen to any of the feedback of DD1 and just made the same game again but with some more wacky physics. He also has bad ideas like making Nero's arms unswitchable in DMC5 which makes him "unique" on paper but in reality it just makes his gameplay more restricted and less fun than it should be.

He's a good craftsman, but a mediocre auteur

>>719151604
>>719151303
I just like how retards where trying to make sense of color patterns like in part 1 and making up shit. "Clown" class lol.

I think the little brown faveloid discordstains care more about the game than people who played and beat it over a year do at this point
they keep making these shitpost threads daily, sometimes multiple a day regurgitating the same tired script and images day after day

>>719152216
oops clown is in this one

>>719146898
>being this retarded
Nintendo's not the one that flopped lmfao

The chinese already killed of Ouka Studio
These are most likely next up for the Chopin block before or after their first new title is out. The only still around after their first sofar that isn't a mobile shit or a MMO i think is ArtPlay with their sequel to bloodstained

>LightSpeed Studio JPN
AAA action game by itsuno, bengus, Tomohiro, Tak "EXTREMEEEE" Fuji

>Lightspeed LA
Open world game by Rock Star dev who worked on GTAV and RDR2

>Uncapped Games
Strategy game by ex-blizzard devs

>Nagoshi Studio
3d beat em up most likely by Nagoshi

>grasshopper manufacture
Romeo is a dead man by Suda

>BulletFarm
COD dev with AAA fps game

>Worlds Untold ("paused", looking for neew partner lol)
Mass Effect writers working on an action adventure game

>GPTRACK50
Kobayashi hiroyuki, 3d action rpg

>>719150286
to his credit, both the pawn system and adventuring were considerably improved in DD2. even though I was seriously disappointed with how the game was downgraded in many other aspects, going out adventuring felt much more engaging with the depleting health and camping, and the pawns felt much more like active members of a party
it's just such a shame that the game failed in other aspects that me and many others felt were fundamental to make it a sequel worth the wait and hype

Maybe he can't express his true opinion and reveal any real issues because he's worried about upsetting Capcom or gaining a reputation as a complainer who blames others.
I mean, I know that's a factor, but maybe instead of that reducing the strength of his excuses by 20% it reduces the strength of his excuses by 90%.
And that last 10% of truth is
>uhhh well some people liked it so it's perfect as is

>>719152471
Im pretty i sure im missing a bunch more but whatever

Whens the DLC?

>>719152657
ask Capcom. the guy has nothing to do with the IP anymore

>>719150721
>>719151409
After a 12 years wait and all the talks about the original being unfinished and just a draft of what he had in mind, the final result of DD2 is simply inexcusable

>>719150286
>Itsuno however cares about the pawns and exploration, he wants to make games where you go on a "journey" with limited fast travel, somewhat similar to Death Stranding. I don't think he succeed, but that's clearly his intention
Most dogma fans would like that. But he didn't even bother making a genuine attempt. All you get is a half assed camping system and more punishing health loss.
Everything else is a sidegrade remake of the first game

In Japanese culture, if the thing was made shit under your watch, even if several other forces were actively interfering with you making a good game, it's normal to take the fall as it happened under your watch. Him saying "its all my fault guys" doesnt actually mean it was all his fault.

How is From able to mass-produce memorable NPCs with their release schedule, while DD2 completely fails with a 12 year delay?

>>719151303
>>719152216
>>719152278

>>719152848
He didn't say it's his fault. He said it's good as is.

DD2fags, I stand with you niggas.

>>719152904
>>719152956

>>719146335 (OP)
bingtrando catching strays LMFAOOOOOOOOO

>>719152904
>>719152956
>>719153006

>>719150889
>expanded on
I wouldn't go that far. They definitely made them a lot more useful than they were in DD1, but that's because training a pawn in DD1 took some serious fucking effort.

>>719146335 (OP)
tendies were shilling him so hard for the past few weeks to keep their anti capcom propaganda and he shits all over them like this
crazy shit lmao

>>719152984
This series was ruined and absolutely wasted by capcom.

>>719153205
I still say a small prayer every night that Inafune gets what he rightfully deserves, dude sabotaged a whole generation

>>719152838
>he didn't even bother making a genuine attempt.
eh, i disagree. the great ideas are there, they just didn't get to be fleshed out. I don't think I've ever played a more blatantly unfinished game in my life before.

>>719152885
Because FROM doesn't have 10 different beloved IPs the same way CAPCOM does.

>>719152657
Yes

>>719152984
>still not fixed on PC
CRAPCOM

>>719146335 (OP)
is this like 2012 again? Imagine people falling for shit like this again

>>719153415
What do you mean anon they fixed it :)

>Removes GFWL
>Also breaks the MP
>Still can't even buy the game officially
Capcom: FUCK YOU

>I don’t make good games everyone can enjoy
>I make shitty games a couple retards can enjoy
wdhmbt?

>>719152885
From has only ever made one (1) game.

>>719153590
He's right, it's better to make games that pander to a niche than to pander to everyone.

>>719146335 (OP)
>game was blatantly unfinished(see all those doorways blocked by rubble)
>was too easy and had shitty mtx(Capcom suits fault)
Despite this it was still fun and I hope Itsuno can actually make the games he wants now without having to dumb them down.

I don't believe a single thing he has to say about the topic because he'll be under so many NDA's that he can't say anything he wants to say. Even if he wasn't under a ton of NDA's he'd be under so much cultural pressure it might as well have been NDA's.
These people can't speak their mind as it is so ingrained in them that you don't shit-talk your "superiors".

>>719152657
YOU NO BUY WIRDS
NO DRC FO YOU

It is always the fault of the development studio when a game plays bad, has a shit story or runs really bad.

Just give me DD2:DA already.
Itsuno wasn't on that DLC.

>>719154380
Never ever

>>719154051
yeah, but he made a shit game, not a niche game

>>719146335 (OP)
the lack of dungeons or any kind of hard challenge at the end of the game kinda ruined it for me
I didn't even get the true ending because by that point I was kinda done with all the traveling back and forth

>>719154426
Seethe more tranny freak

>>719146335 (OP)
>oh boy if I take this one line out of context I can apply it to my narrative!

>>719154051
shit games aren’t really a niche

>>719146335 (OP)
It sold because people loved DD1 not DD2, retard.

>>719146335 (OP)
>I designed it for a specific audience
>What do you mean those people are the ones who hated it?
Or were fans of Dragon's Dogma not the audience?

>>719154958
>trying to change the narrative
Lol

>>719146335 (OP)
Itsuno made a glorified remake and thought it was a good game.

>>719154538
>That framerate

>>719146335 (OP)
>outside the target audience
I was the target audience for the first game, then they changed it for the sequel so I wasn't part of it anymore. That's why I hate it. I don't give a shit about games that I was never the target audience for.

And yes, it's about the lolis.

>>719152714
This is the core problem right here. DD2 feels like the sequel I would have expected 2-3 years later after the original. Not 12.

>>719146335 (OP)
He needs a reality check. The people most disappointed by DD2 were the diehard DD fans who expect a fully complete version of DD like he explicitly said they were making.

>>719146335 (OP)
>Dragon's Dogma: The most 6/10 ARPG to ever 6/10
>Dragon's Dogma 2: The most 6/10 sequel to the most 6/10 ARPG ever
What did you gays expect? Dragon's Cockma fans only have themselves to blame.

>>719155439
Didnt play dd2
Did they make it so you cant make lolis or something?

>>719150889
fuck off anon they ruined pawns
voices between male or female are just pitched and their fucking voice is their inclinations now
everyone has to be some cockney fucking brit if they want an aggressive pawn or some retarded sounding scholar if they want a pawn to use the right abilities for the right enemy in combat
if you want a pawn who has a deep and sombre voice well that's the pawn that is also retarded and tries to stick next to the arisen at all times
stupid fucking retard devs

>>719155872
You couldn't make characters under 160cm

>>719155872
minimum height in DD2 is 160cm (140cm with mods)

>>719156015
Still can't btw

>>719152471
These are all gonna suck, aren't they?

>>719146335 (OP)
It's clear that It's uno doesn't understand what made the first game enjoyable and thought people like his vision for the game, which is walking without fast travel and pawns.

>>719155289
>went from 6800 to 9070 xt
>still can't 60 fps in town
The game is so cpu buttfucked is insane.

So itsuno basically said the DD1 audience isn't the intended audience? Kek, you got trolled hard DDfags

>>719146335 (OP)
>For Capcom, creating Devil May Cry and Dragon’s Dogma sequels is the top priority
So this fuck is definitely the problem, the reason why DD2 has no more content at all is because he fucking left.

>>719146335 (OP)
BASED Itsuno san I am having an absolute blast playing DD2 personally

>>719146335 (OP)
>days of retards spamming how amazing itsuno was and he was only a victim of le bad crapcom and he is the true saviour of videogames
>itsuno shit talks nintendo and suddenly everyone defending him is gone
really makes you think huh

>>719156580
Yeah he fucked up and bailed.
>Yes, that’s it. Before you realized you are working on making the Devil May Cry 6 or 7. It’s not like I don’t want to make them, I do, but it’s hard to balance the time it takes with the personal satisfaction of making them, and with Devil May Cry 5 and Dragon’s Dogma 2, I already did what I wanted to make.

>>719146438
DD2 is a very niche game just like the first one bro you probably would think get it bro its all good man the game wasnt made for everyone

>>719154538
What's the lore behind this?

>>719156765
DMC bros... the stepfather doesn't love the series anymore

>>719156580
I hope kinoshita takes over DD then and wonder who will take DMC as director

>>719154426
well Im am having an absolute blast bro

>>719156580
>People were blaming Capcom when Itsuno was the problem the whole time
What a massive kick in the balls, holy fuck.

How many times is this deranged troon going to reply to himself saying the same thing?

>>719150721
You will never be an Arisen.

>>719156997
I'm sorry you're retarded.

>>719153205
its a very niche game bro just like the first bro Itsuno san didnt make the game for everyone bro me personally though I am having an absolute blast personally

HAVING A BLAST

>>719146335 (OP)
>calling out tendies
wtf I love Itsuno now

>>719157158
nah bro like not everything in this world is for everyone feel me like I personally had a blast playing this very niche game
made not for everyone but for blast bros like me

>>719146335 (OP)
nintendo sisters, how are we going to shitpost crapcom now that itsuno betrayed us...

nintendo being the butt of the joke again

So is this just another case of a director who made gold earlier in their career shitting the bed when they get free reign?

>>719146335 (OP)
>I'm very proud of it
WELL YOU SHOULDN'T BE

>>719152278
We were robbed... By itsuno, no less...

>>719157140
What does that mean? I completed Dark Arisen.

>>719154051
The problem is his game didn't pander to the niche that was DD fans.

Interesting parts
>The people working on the sequels right now are extremely good, so the young people can learn from them.
So there's already sequels for DMC and DD in the works
>It was the same with Dragon Dogma 2, I thought it was going to be impossible to make something better than the first one
Itsuno is a fraud

Pretty sure itsuno hated being at capcom for a long time.
He pitched dragons dogma to capcom before monster hunter was even a thing, and capcom turned the idea down.
Also he, like a lot of autistic japanese devs, hates the concept of sequels.
DD2 was some kind of meta criticism of sequels and shit.
Whatever, i never played 2 anyway and spoiled everything deliberately how it fakes you out with its ending and finally adds the 2 in the title.
Dark arisen was a really mediocre game.
4/10 and no higher.

>>719157502
you sure bro I personally had ab absolute blast bro just like Itsuno san intended when he made this very niche game not for everyone

>>719152532
No they weren't improved in the slightest. Pawns are still utterly fucking retarded and you still can't give them basic, specific commands like republic commando from 2005. Springboard is still a completely useless, dead skill simply because you can't tell your fucking pawn to do it. There is nothing in dragon's dogshit 2 that is improved, genuinely literally nothing. There are sidegrades at absolute best, and downgrades in the majority of respects

Why can't /v/ just move on? The game is shit deal with it and play something else.

>>719157518
its a niche game bro understandable you didnt get it bro

>>719157574
I can't tell if you're a bot or just severely mentally ill.

>>719150286
>Itsuno however cares about the pawns and exploration

>>719156541
I'd kek so hard if I wasn't seething with rage, lmao

>>719157643
to add to this the game just was not made for everyone bros its a very niche game

>>719157508
>already sequels for DMC and DD in the works
I hope so, with actual competent directors now.

>>719157593
you didn't play enough DD1 and 2 if you think pawn behaviour and interactions weren't improved

>>719155646
it's not like he has been working on it for 12 years bruh

>>719157738
nah bro I have been having an absolute blast with DD2 since day one bro I wouldn’t joke about blasting bro

>>719156015
My grandma is 150cm, what the fuck is with that shit?

dd2 is basically all the posers playing it for the first time and finding out the games were always mid

>>719157896
tell your nana I said hi bro

>>719157896
is she, perhaps, a lolibaba?

I'm going to find his email and send him a very angry reply to all that shit.

>>719146335 (OP)
When you're older, you'll understand that burning bridges all the time isn't the best way to go about things.

>>719158010
Itsuno san has a legacy most developers can only dream of achieving bro get real bro lmaoooo

>>719146335 (OP)
Who exactly was it made for then?

>people blamed Capcom for nothing all these years
Lol lmao

>>719158127
me bro I had an absolute blast personally

>>719158172
As if they didn't want DEI and mtx in this game.

>>719158172
It's so fucking crazy to me that those people even exist. Itsuno literally went around interviews promising so much things that were all lies.

>>719158283
I can only hope the whoever takes over, actually puts effort into what people really wanted from these games.

>>719158468
>reee I hope the game appeals to every normie faggot out there reeee
not gonna happen bro

>the same posts
>the same images
YAAAAAAAAAWN
Don't you brownies ever get tired?

>>719158538
some people's mental illnesses know no bounds

Blast bros...

>>719158605
I know bro the thought of bros hating in Itsuno san and his blast masterpiece simply because its a very niche game bro not made for everyone bro is fucking crazy bro
bros on here want nothing but chink gatcha coomer scams and unreal engine slop bro
well its all good bros I have no fear at least I got to have an absolute blast with Itsunos masterpiece before everything went to shit bro

Why does it seem like everyone who seethes about DD2 on /v/ never actually played the game or just hates the series as a whole?
I loved DD1 and DD2 was just more of the same. It played well and I had fun with it. My main complaint, other the performance (which wasn't even that bad, there were other games that ran much worse on my PC) is that there's not enough of it, something a good meaty DLC could easily fix.

>>719150721
Having a blast!!

wowzer!

>>719150286
What most fans wanted was him to fix the issues with dragon's dogma, not double down on them.

>>719158828
>DD2 was just more of the same
absolutely not

>>719158828
its Capcom bro
bros on here have a major hate boner
for what is essentially the masters of vidya and one of the few developers
still making good games bro
so sad desu ngl

>>719146335 (OP)
>I made the game for people who didn't play DD1 but wanted to try it
Ah I see okay I understand it now

>>719158886
its a very niche game bro you wouldn’t get it man its all good bro

>>719148763
that's crazy

>>719146335 (OP)
What a fucking piece of shit lmao
>Yeah the game is fucking dogshit but it sold well so I dont give a fuck
No wonder he got fired

>that one coping retard who insisted Dragon's Dogshit 2 was commentary on sequels and actually about Itsuno hating Capcom
Has there ever been a more copiously retarded fanbase?

>>719146335 (OP)
>>719147732
>>719148763
Shitsuno the Potential Man does it again! Just wait for his true vision with his new AAA game, this time he isn't held back by Capcom!

At least now I know Capcom actually cares about DMC and DD and It's uno was the one being anal about the sequels.
Crazy how things develop...

>>719159380
Yeah they care about DMC so much that the only things they did with the series after 5 came out was making a terrible mobile game, whoring it out to a pajeet to make a shitty TV series out of it and whoring it out to some chink cocksuckers do they could add Dante and Vergil into their dogshit gacha.
I wouldn't be surprised if they just sell the IP alltogether.

I've never seen /v/ fell out of love with a vidya auteur this fast. The 180 whiplash of anon's opinion on Itsuno from unquestioning hype to extreme seething in just one game is really something. Even people like Kojima or Miyazaki still have people defending them here despite all the shitposts.

>>719159693
Because it was always about the games with DMC and DD. They were attributed to Itsuno but apparently that was a bit much.

>>719158828
>more of the same
that's the fucking issue. DD has good core mechanics but fuckall content to use it on. If 2 were a good sequel it would have expanded the enemy roster and dungeon variety.

>>719159380
>>719159686
Kamiya will save DMC :) After he is done with Okami 2, he will make a Remake of DMC1 and save the IP.

>>719160036
well I am having a blast

>>719146335 (OP)
They're both at fault. Capcom for one approving it.

>>719151297
>um aksually nintendo bad
Nintendo based you mean.

>>719158886
Having a blastsissies, what went wrong?

>>719159686
Capcom doesn’t “care” about DMC, they treat it like a faded prom queen - trot her out every once in a while for nostalgia points, slap on a gacha skin and call it a day. The DMC5 SE re-release was the last half-hearted gesture before they shoved Dante into whatever flavor of the month mobile trash they were licensing out this week. Meanwhile, they’re busy wringing out RE for the billionth time and pushing DD2 as if it’s not just a tech demo with dragon cosplay. At this rate, Dante’ll be selling NFT sodas in the metaverse before we ever see a real DMC6.

>>719150787
>>719157295
>>719157360
>ericposting again
>>719156721
except there are people defending it right here?

>>719160248
is that a lot bro there are daily DD2 threads after all so I cant be alone and I love DD2 bro personally I had an absolute blast

>>719159693
He wouldn't have gotten this much flak if he himself didn't hail DD2 as THE THING in his interviews. Sure people still be grumpy but it would've been easier to accept

>>719146335 (OP)
Who was his audience because it sure as shit wasn't Dragon's Dogma fans?

>>719146335 (OP)
He's right, every retard that bought it have no right to cry about it after the non stop damage control campaign they did before release.
Each copy sold is telling Itsuno he did a fantastic job.

>>719146335 (OP)
no loli pawn no buy

>>719160708
People who heard about DD but never tried it
That's the audience

I wanted so fucking badly for my pre-release fears not to come true
>that's not all the vocations there are, right...?
>they didn't show every single monster in the trailers and pre-release footage, right...?
fuck man I've never been so disappointed by a game, especially one that was so close to being good

>>719152471
>Tak "EXTREMEEEE" Fuji
I trust him, he's never let me down
Yes I liked Gal Metal

>>719160843
well I had double blast playing both bro Itsuno san never ever made a game
not blast worthy before after all

>>719160424
Deepl nip translate
>Not Recommended - 278 hrs on record - Posted: 29 July
It wasn't that I didn't enjoy it, but overall it felt dated and tiring.

On top of that, the load times hardly improved right up until the very end, so with updates now stopped, I don't think it's worth buying new.

If you fancy making a donation to the esteemed company that won't release DLC and just lines up rubbish items for sale, then this might be just the ticket

ASS BLAST SISTERS

>>719160843
Yeah I get that impression. DD was always discussed here as the greatest 7/10 of all time and was obviously unfinished with a bunch of cool ideas that never quite made it. I was hoping to see that brought to fruition since they were given a proper budget but instead I got DD1.5 with every other NPC being a black londoner for some reason.

>>719146335 (OP)
>he deliberately designed his game to be hated by many
Based, buying DD2 now.

What did he say or do to make so many people so vitriolic as to try and pretend that DMC5 wasn't good? Did he misgender someone? Why are people screaming about tendies? I am baffled, spoonfeed me.

>>719161167
enjoy bro the game is an absolute blast

If there's one thing I learned is that you faggots know nothing about nothing, Itsuno was a godlike developer until a few months ago, Capcom was at fault for everything.
At this point I'd rather wait and see, even Onimusha is getting a new game and it looks good.

>>719151271
>people expected a sequel to be at least as good as its predecessor

>>719161172
He said:
>There's going to be a lot more stuff
And then there wasn't

>>719146335 (OP)
based

>>719155646
It would have been a disappointment even 2-3 years later.

It's all capcom's fault

>>719161172
People saying DMC5 wasn't good are just another kind of schizo.
Now, related to DD2, he over promised and under delivered heavily.

>>719155872
Not only did they restrict the height as others have mentioned, they also specifically rigged the sliders to fuck with the body proportions at the lowest heights. Adjusting nothing but the height, it shrinks the head and broadens the shoulders as you approach the 160cm minimum so that short characters look like deformed freaks.

>>719160376
Based on total shit
Shit hardware
Shit games
Shit fans

>>719146335 (OP)
So making it like a Nintendo game means DD2 would have been a huge success beloved by fans then?

>>719146335 (OP)
Okay but where's the dlc?

>>719156821
Then why did Dragons Dogma 1 have better quality?

>>719156580
>for Capcom, creating Devil May Cry and DD sequels is the top priority
Blatant lie btw

>>719159380
If you actually take that as fact then youre stupid
The entire interview reeks of corpo speak

So this confirm that Capcom wasn't the issue. He was.

>>719149925
>Everyone I know who played DD1 absolutely fucking adored it
"I know" is the keyword.

>>719161830
As much as I can respect this auteurship mindset of achieving "je ne sais quois" (uniqueness) quality to be different from the pack, I feel like most of the time they were too desperate for it to the point of self-sabotage.

>>719146335 (OP)
I mean I guess I am glad HE is happy with it, because I wasn't. Gave it a ton of time, trying out each vocation to find the one that stood out to me and none of them really did. Fewer skills across the board, both active and passive. Tried to give every class a "unique" action, but we still end up with dumb shit like "aiming" being a class skill (Sorry spell casters! Gotta give that up to make archer unique) and mage and sorcerer still share a bunch of the same fucking abilities. Fewer gear options. Somehow still nothing but the same few enemy types and the new shit we got were slimes that did fuck all. Gave the game way too much of a chance and other than the sphinx almost nothing stuck with me - but then I remember "ShinxParent" and just get annoyed again.

>>719150286
Too bad pawns got butchered too, dwindled down to just a handful of inclinations with no mixing traits at all. And their voice is tied to how they act in battle now! Isn't that just swell? Also that unique system of learning enemy traits? Fuck that, just hit the kill count requirement. Wouldn't want to be able to customize your companion too much or anything!

Like shit, why have them be the bulk of your party anyway? Just make the NPCs actual party members so he can tailor make the adventure he apparently wanted us to all go on.

But also the fact that there is jack shit to find anywhere also ruins a lot of the point of adventuring in the first place. Oh wow! Materials to make consumable items with! Good thing there are fewer of those, too!!

>>719161172
>pretend that DMC5 wasn't good
I suspect that's what this is really about desu barely anyone even played DD2. Just some schizo trying to push a narrative

>>719157434
DD1 was a happy accident that was good in spite of Itsuno, not because of him.

>>719163165
and its arguably best content wasn't made or directed by him anyways

I hope your new game bombs and Bengus phones it in like he did for jive faggot

>>719163091
nice try, Kojimbles-KUN
you're still a fart-huffing hack

>>719146589
>To be fair, shit talking your former employee is a no-no, especially in a close-knit field like the Japanese gaming industry.
didn't Shinji Mikami shittalk Capcom a couple of times

>>719158010
>run out of capcom to make chink gachaslop
>paying customers all know he's a hack and his name is now poison
He's already quite good at burning bridges. What's one more?

Drop the denuvo off it you hacks

>>719146335 (OP)
>>719146532
I mainly hate how he lied during his interviews and made it sound like the game had much deeper RPG mechanics than it actually had.

>>719150673
maybe he will be another catalyst for a big shitstorm like what happened with inafune and mighty no9

>>719150286
>Itsuno however cares about the pawns and exploration
the pawns are literally downgraded from DD1 though and the exploration is worse because despite there being more of it, a lot of it is very interchangeable and forgettab. the game has 40 some caves and only 4 of them remain in my memory: the waterfall cave in the starting area, the tunnel with the bandits and troll on the way to vermund, the slime cave at the beginning of the game, and finally the cave leading to volcanic isle. dd1 only had like 6 dungeons in total but they're all memorable

desperate

Does it still run like garbage even on a 5090?

>“Before you realized you are working on making Devil May Cry 6 or 7. It’s not like I don’t want to make them, I do, but it’s hard to balance the time it takes with the personal satisfaction of making them and with Devil May Cry 5 and Dragon’s Dogma 2 I already did what I wanted to make.”

This basically confirms what I suspected that Capcom wanted him to make DMC6 or more DD and he simply wasn't interested and that's why he left.

>>719146335 (OP)
>We were aiming for a niche audience
>Loads of people hated it but it sold well so who cares
Feels like a cope answer but I'm guessing he can't be honest because the funding for his new studio relies on his name. If he admits to having fucked up his last game the Chinese are going to question their level of investment.

>>719156580
>Itsuno left capcom because he didn't want to make sequels to his onw games
Now he'll make a new game no one wanted, nice.

>>719163863
He should have left earlier.

>>719163881
The entire reason he's working for them is because he's a disgraced fuckup.

>>719150286
>Itsuno however cares about the pawns and exploration, he wants to make games where you go on a "journey" with limited fast travel, somewhat similar to Death Stranding
Literally exactly.

There's Blastfags and there's retards who just want to make cool webms.

why is bro pretending it's the end of the line for him at 55? he probably had like 3-4 more games in him if he so pleases.

>>719152240
why do you keep bringing up favelas and discord? projection?

>>719164002
That's what I initially thought but then why are key capcom staff following him to his new studio?

>>719163668
No they aren't lol

Get filtered, fake fan faggot

>>719163104
lmao, what a shit take

>Also that unique system of learning enemy traits?
Yeah bro it was so fun cheesing and loading saves to get Three Star Hydra knowledge by making one eat a powderkeg


>>719158917
>Most "fans" wants him to fix Dragon's Dogma
This is the problem. You filthy niggers don't like Dragon's Dogma.

>>719164107
Dude said he didn't know how to improve on DD2 from DD1, I think he has a really big ego now for some reason and thinks he needs to make a big name for himself.

>>719163881
Anon, he's completely right.

Read the thread
>REE DRAGONS DOGMA WAS -SHIT- AND HIS JOB WAS TO FIX IT!!!
That's 90% of you miserable fakeass faggot fans.

>>719164107
He explained why. He said AAA games are disappearing so if he didn't act now he may never get this chance again. Without random Chinese funding he'd be stuck in the sequel mines till he dies.

>>719164248
DD1 and dmc shit eaters gave him that ego, they couldn't stop sucking his dick over mediocre releases and suddenly he thinks his half formed ideas are genius

>this thread again
reminder that capcom took funds from dd2 to put into wilds which ended up being one of the worst mh games to date

>>719164395
>>719164248
He doesn't have the ego, you're a pack of shiteating faggots who never actually liked Dragon's Dogma.

>>719164107
Because it is, no other dev studio would ever give him the chance to let him make what he wants to make

>>719164272
The majority of the people who hate DD2 hate it because it's worse than the first game, not because they want it to be more mass market.

>>719164225
Yeah, why learn based on actual experiences when you can just murder 50 monsters the exact same way and somehow pick up new knowledge from it. They could have kept the old system and either left out the more niche tricks or had NPCs scripted to try some of them for you if you offered them support. What they went to instead is far less unique and even less engaging. Spam camps to suddenly learn there is a chest full of arrows somewhere behind a tree? The fuck is that?

>>719164225
the problem with mentally ill retards like you is that you think anyone who wants DD2 to be better than it is must be someone who wants it to be a soulslike or some shit. fuck off, you dumb ass bitch cunt. i put this many hours into Dragon's Dogma because no other game is like it, not because I wanted to play a fucking soulslike. I love dragon's dogma, and because I love it I want it to realize its full potential instead of just 60% of it.
>fake fan faggot
what's a real fan, someone who dicksucks everything about the game including the glaring flaws or even downgrades compared to dd1?

>>719164174
Who? More frauds like him that got found out and are scurrying for chinkbux before they're run out of the industry entirely?

>>719146335 (OP)
>The target audience isn't DD fans
>But also we made the game extremely derivative of DD and offered very little that was new or different
lolwhat
It's literally just DD but less finished with less content and ugly brown people everywhere
What the fuck is he even saying?
This is something I'd expect from Gamefreak, where they'd say "ok yeah maybe the older fans aren't happy but we're selling gangbusters to the fanatic consumers and casuals", but it's not a popular series with a long cemented history, it's the second game and sold a couple million with mixed reception.

>>719163925
Yeah, DMC5 was a more appropriate send-off for him desu.

I can't imagine any kind of audience that would actually want the hybrid classes of the previous game cut, so I don't accept that answer

>If you wanted DD2 to be better than the first game you're retarded!

Living up to this shitpost >>719159326

>>719159693
I still respect him as the guy responsible for 2 of my favorite games of all time (DMC3 and DD). and while I also found DMC5 to be very good and DD2 to be ok, the latter showed me that he's not infalible
I'm still slightly excited to see what he's cooking as a Tencent dog, but I'm definitely not gonna be "hyped" for it like I was for DD2

>>719146335 (OP)
I love how this game lives completely rent free in discord trannys' heads

>>719164565
As opposed to the non-fraud who decided Wilds needed to be story-focused and then claimed that made it a success before we figured out the game flopped?

>>719164578
He simply thought people liked DD because of the barebones world and pawn system, people liked it because of the dungeon delving and cool classes.

>"Capcom's priority is making sequels to DMC and DD2"
>Itsuno gone
>There's a chance they'll let the director of Dark Arisen do DD3
sounds like a win to me. thanks for leaving, potential-man.

>>719164665
Did anyone in this entire thread try to claim that wilds was a good game?

>>719164494
>The majority of the people who hate DD2 hate it because it's worse than the first game,
It's literally DD1 but with more and better of -everything- and you fake faggot retards are mad because even though the world is covered in camps for you to change your skills at, you wanted to equip more active skills at a time and are having a hissy over a simplified armor system [yes the simplified armor wasn't a good choice]

>>719164505
>Yeah, why learn based on actual experiences when you can just murder 50 monsters the exact same way and somehow pick up new knowledge from it
Yes. It's much more reliable. Play the game a bunch, get your pawn hired out a few times: end up with high tier pawn who knows the cool anti-enemy tactics

>>719164563
>who wants DD2 to be better than it is must be someone who wants it to be a soulslike or some shit.
No you're all -literally- blind selective memory shiteaters

DD2 is DD1 but with
>More vocations
>Better pawns
>Bigger bestiary
>4+ major settlements instead of 2
>Multiple playable races
>Better quests
>Much much bigger and better world

It's an incredible game and you're a whiny faggot shitsmear who never appreciated DD1 for what DD1 did best.

im here for the blast poster.

>>719164737
Did I claim anyone did?
Just saying. You wanna talk about frauds scurrying out of the industry when the actual hacks are still at Capcom.

>>719164743
>DD2 is DD1 but with
>More vocations
already wrong

>>719164873
It -literally has more vocations you fucking illiterate faggot. Nobody ever teach you to count? DD2 has more vocations.
>BUT THEY CUT A COUPLE!
They have more vocations in DD2 than 1

>>719150286
>go on a journey
>find one nugget of shit in a chest after fighting the same losers that are dotted all over the map
>return by there on your way back
>shit nugget chest is empty
>return back to the city hub where everything actually is
>no new or interesting armour or weapons, it's the same shit that was there before you set off

>>719157637
kek looking back he knew.

>>719164810
There can be hacks in more than one place, anon. Itsuno is objectively a fraud. And if anyone is throwing in their lot with him it's because they're one too or they are a complete drooling retard.

>>719146335 (OP)
Blastbros... we fucking won!

>>719164743
>It's an incredible game and you're a whiny faggot shitsmear who never appreciated DD1 for what DD1 did best.
Awesome boss fights with varied ways to approach them. Particularly what I loved was climbing on them, but they also let you smack the fuck out of them with a beatstick, you could spam explosive arrows into their face, you could make gigantic magic explosions on them, so on. Post-game bosses like Ur-Dragon where they really make you use the climbing mechanics to their fullest.

>>719164743
>DD2 is DD1 but with
>fewer memorable locations
>no BBI or comparable dungeon
>fewer unique spells and abilities
>pawns that literally lie to you saying things like they've seen something in another arisen's world even when they haven't been hired by anyone yet, and also tell the same stories over and over again how one time they met an arisen who only hired women (even if, again, they've never been hired before, I tested it extensively)
also
>better quests
yes I especially liked the one where you inexplicably couldn't use a wake stone on the assassin or the priestess because it wasn't convenient for the narrative

you sound like a hallucinating LLM

>>719164990
>Itsuno is objectively a fraud
Because he left the company and Capcom's dedicated drones have labeled him a traitor, yes I've heard.

>>719163925
DD2 shouldn't even exist, the fanbase was always artificial and inflated by hipster retards jerking off to missed potential. Had a groundswell of fake fans not memed that mediocre shit into a franchise he could have ended his capcom career with a fighting game, which is what he's actually good at making and what he actually wants to make.

Now he's going to shit out another bad 3rd person action game, then retire and he's going to take all the best fighting game character designers from capcom with him. This isn't how it was supposed to end.

>>719164974
They did go all out

>Crazy postgame with a whole new reworked worldmap and several questlines including failstates for some of them
>Unique unmoored only high tier boss fights
You have shit taste and selective memory

>>719165079
>fewer memorable locations
Wrong
>BBI
DD1 didn't have BBI you dishonest shitsmear

I'd keep replying but you think DD:DA is DD1 so....

>>719150721
I beat Dark Arisen several times, 150 hours clocked in.
Meanwhile I just couldn't bring myself to even finish the 2nd, dropped it around the quest where you awaken the stone giant. Between the unrewarding exploration (finding the same weapon I bought 10 minutes ago in a chest of a long dungeon has the same hype as finding 5 potatoes and 3 gold in a Skyrim chest), the absolutely terrible main quest (the whole part after being exiled to the desert was full retarded) and the limited amount of skills + missing vocations were enough to make me regret buying it day 1 at full price (but that's on me and a valuable lesson for ever being hyped).

I have more than 200 hours at the first dragons dogma and the second one it's shit. Itsuno its' a hack.

>>719165158
grasping at straws lol

>>719165062
>Awesome boss fights with varied ways to approach them.
Right and DD2 has more monsters and more interactivity with them. So.... Not sure what your issue is. You couldn't skydive onto a Griffin's head to knopck it out of the sky with the sheer impact of your body slamming into it in DD1. You can now though.

>>719165231
test

>>719165259
It's not strawgrasping at all. DD:DA is DD1 with added post-release DLC.

>>719165080
I can guarantee I hate capcom more than you do. Itsuno is a fraud because he never knew how to make a good game and couldn't even iterate on one his team accidentally made in spite of him.

>>719164873
Categorically correct.
2 has ten completely distinct vocations that all play differently. The only two with any overlap whatsoever are Mage and Sorcerer.
1 had nine, and most of them were redundant clones of the base classes with a few new moves to a base moveset, and half of them were shit.

>>719165286
yea this interaction is amazing and the reason I wish the game had more than 3 enemies

>>719165158
>it's okay for sequel to be worse than improved version of the first part because uuuuuh reasons
You can argue that only if there's going to be a sudden DD2 DLC (there won't be any)

>>719146335 (OP)
Istuno is coping

So Itsuno took a fat dump and called it a day.
Ok I don't feel bad anymore calling Dragon's Dogshit 2.

>>719165378
same old shit, always gotta be that one kid who hops in to say "ackshually [thing] was never good"

>>719165417
It -literally- has more monsters than DD1 and if you whiny selective memory shitsmears hadn't thrown a melty, Capcom would've given us your BBI/Dark Arisen type expansion which would've been full of more monsters.

>>719165454
>You can argue that only if there's going to be a sudden DD2 DLC
No I can argue it even without DD2 DLC hitting. It's not fair to expect a game without DLC to be "bigger" than one with it. Until DD2 DLC hits, it's not a valid point of comparison to expect it to be superior to DD:DA.

>>719165361
so someone who loves DDDA doesn't love Dragon's Dogma?
you're genuinely mentally afflicted lol
btw I owned the original PS3 game and didn't play DA until a decade later because they backstabbed us by not releasing it as a DLC like they originally promised. you probably played Dragons Dogma for the first time in 2020

You are not a Nintendodrone, right? You actually BLASTED and was happy with Itsuno's vision, right?

TOTALLY organic thread

>>719164743
>>719165414
Already gone from "you're all fake fans that hated the first game" to "actually the first game was garbage".

Blast status?

why has this game of all games become a way for the resident schizoid nigger to seethe about nintendo

>>719165553
It was alright. Had a lot of problems but not enough for a dedicated schizo to keep making these threads and telling outright lies about both games.

>>719165498
Learn to read, you retarded nigger.

>>719163858
The game is cpu bound, even a 9800x3d or whatever the fuck is out there shits the bed.

>>719165539
>It's not fair to expect a game without DLC to be "bigger" than one with it
It is when it comes to a sequel that got released 10 years later

>>719165549
>so someone who loves DDDA doesn't love Dragon's Dogma?
They probably don't appreciate the ethos behind it. This guy has it right >>719150286

>Itsuno however cares about the pawns and exploration, he wants to make games where you go on a "journey" with limited fast travel, somewhat similar to Death Stranding.
That's what DD is at it's core. It's a game about gathering your pawn party, preparing your inventory and setting out onto the open road to face and find adventures and adversity.
>>719165574
No these are simply facts you miserable fucking shitskinned losers can't grapple with.

>>719165205
DA2 was a downgrade compared to DA1, but would you still call it a bad game?

>>719165648
because in the interview itsuno says
>If it sells at this level, all good”. Meaning that if the game was loved by so many, it’s all good. I made the game not like a Nintendo one to be liked by all the people, but for a certain type of audience

>>719157775
Why did they act like the Sphinx was this rare secret and you "have to go out your way" to find it etc

>>719150721
>The fans of the first game were not disappointed
yes they were

>>719162528
Ye but "I hope he fucking dies, nothing he ever made was good," is not an appropriate response to DD2 under-delivering, so there's something else going on. And why do people keep bringing up Nintendo? Is his new studio contracted for an exclusive with them or something? Is that why this has devolved to just mindless hate?
>>719163126
But why tho?

>>719165665
learn to tie a noose you waste of oxygen
your schtick got old over a decade ago

>>719165728
>It is when it comes to a sequel that got released 10 years later
Nope. Time between releases doesn't mean anything at all and is not a valid reason for you to expect things like that.

>WAAHHH I HAD TO WAIT A LONG TIME FOR DINNER AND IT DIDN'T MAKE ME CUM UNCONTROLLABLY AND SEE GOD

>>719164648
I don't really understand the massive turnaround into seething hatred that people seem to have had regarding Itsuno. DD2 isn't even terrible it's just "okay" and a somewhat disappointing sequel to Dark Arisen (imo a fine sequel to the base game but that shouldn't be the standard here).

Meanwhile DMC5 was a great game and he still has had far more hits than misses since DMC2 - which was not his fault. When his worst game within those boundaries is just simply "okay", how can people call him a fraud and a shitty director? He fumbled and still put out something better than a significant amount of AAA slop.

>>719165574
He was doing this yesterday too. Either a child or a marketer. Not worth your time.

>>719165732
>That's what DD is at it's core. It's a game about gathering your pawn party, preparing your inventory and setting out onto the open road to face and find adventures and adversity.
ok and DD2 is worse about that than DD1, and it being bigger doesn't change this fact.

>>719165498
You're acting like DD1 wasn't shit on since day 1 and that the contrarian view wasn't always people who loved it

>>719151271
>hahaha those idiots thought the sequel would be a better game haha

>>719165891
>don't really understand the massive turnaround into seething hatred that people seem to have had regarding Itsuno
because it's not organic

>>719165749
>DA2 was a downgrade compared to DA1, but would you still call it a bad game?
Yes? Everyone knows Dragon Age 2 is fucking dog shit, what are you talking about?

I liked dd2 and I think he is right it is a very niche game you can't get out of hardly any others currently. my only issues with it are 1. maps and story are pretty small. theres only like 3 major towns and handful of main quest. and 2. the pawn ai can be straight up retarded at times and could be tweaked/ improved. other than that a great game when you want to feel like you are in a greek mythology world.

>>719165938
anon is saying that literally everything itsuno made is shit, not just dd1

>>719165648
Blame itsuno, he literally says in the fucking interview he doesn't make game like nintendo does.

>>719165891
>DD2 isn't even terrible
Yes it is. And it's bad in ways that are both particularly frustrating due to the game it is a sequel of and also expose Itsuno as a hack that had no idea what made DD1 good despite having a decade to figure it out. That's why his reputation went up in flames immediately.

>>719165828
>kitchen has now more money and modern appliances but you're still supposed to eat mac and cheese for dinner
Sure

>>719165553
I refunded it shortly before release and played a pirated leaked build a few months ago. I couldn't finish it, it had me feeling depressed the more I tried to force myself to get through it. Ended up playing Tainted Grail instead and had a lot more fun even if it was a buggy piece of shit towards the end.

>>719165891
>but that shouldn't be the standard here
Why exactly? Because you're a conformist retard who won't admit that the fanbase are deranged retards.

>>719165917
>ok and DD2 is worse about that than DD1,
It has a bigger world that's more challenging to navigate with a very solid day and night cycle and an organic diegetic fast travel system. It has more to find and more to do out in the world.

>>719165968
This.

Wilds and DD2 despite earning some level of dissapointment or backlash naturally have been targetted by inorganic hate brigades.

GEE WE SURE HAVE BEEN HAVING THIS THREAD A LOT REALLY SUDDENLY

>>719165092
Unmoored World could have been such an amazing end-game point but outside of the bosses its completely empty. Just skeletons and maybe a few corrupted dragons. Meanwhile DD1 during the end-game completely changed all the enemies to their stronger counterparts, even before BBI the Everfall at least had new bosses. Also, where the fuck is the Ur-Dragon in DD2? I did enjoy the game, even did maybe 8+ NG's, around 3-400 hours played but it left me with this hole, where now I can't even go back to DD1 where I have over 1000+ hours.

>>719156821
It's not "niche" it's AAA shit. Pathologic is niche.

>>719166105
>bigger world that's more challenging to navigate
yea for the retard pawn ai that throws itself off of cliffs

>>719166105
Wilds deserves it. At least DD2 resembles the IP it's going for.

>>719166171
>DD
>AAA
Maybe in your parallel reality

>Shitsuno defenders coping so hard they're blaming japanese culture and deluding themselves into thinking it was actually capcom's fault
Why are you obsessed with defending this man and his work?

Can he save DD3?

>>719165938
I'm one of the few people that has actually played DD1 and DA and shit is a real exaggeration. Most of the base stuff like the post-game dungeon and farming Ur-Dragon is fun. I did bounce off the game a few times but my friend kept insisting I get into it and it was worth it. DA helps a lot because the free teleports really reduce the early-game tedium and BBI gives you something to do with your min-maxed post-game build, but DD1 is still a fun game, there's just less meat to it.

While I personally enjoyed DD2 a lot and got about 130 hours out of it, I absolutely understand why many did not.

The one and only real disappointment for me was the vocations. So much potential to have new and interesting classes and hybrids and we got even less variety than the first game.

>>719166121
Yes. Itsuno has been posting about his new Lightspeed team and seething retards who never like DD in the first place took it as a chance to renew the DD2 hate birgade threads.

>>719166152
>Unmoored World could have been such an amazing end-game point but outside of the bosses its completely empty.
It's not though. The evactuation quest is all over the world.
> Meanwhile DD1 during the end-game completely changed all the enemies to their stronger counterparts
Unmoored does this but a little less comprehensively.
>even before BBI the Everfall at least had new bosses.
The everfall is absolute fucking trash where they sequestered some bosses they didn't find good spots to implement elsewhere. Everfall is a bandaid on the endgame.

>>719166217
You mean based pawn AI that can even lower a ladder down to help me? Cuz that's -my- experience with DD2 Pawn AI.

>>719166236
I dunno man, Wilds was supposed to be Capcom's big game and it turned out to be a piece of shit. Seems to me like there's fault on both ends.

>>719156015
>You couldn't make characters under 160cm
the average height for an adult japanese female is 158cm lmao

>>719166251
There won't be a DD3

>>719166040
I didn't even say that DD1 is shit, you lying nigger. Itsuno is a hack. But sometimes the people under him were able to put together something good despite being sabotaged by his retardation. But with DD2 the weight of his incompetence became too much to bear.

only way I'd play this is if someone else bought it for me

>>719166352
>but look at monster hunter
Itsuno is a hack. It's that simple

>>719166418
>and I base this on absolutely nothing

>>719166251
No because Capcom is afraid of friction in video games which caused them to destroy their most beloved franchise.

>>719166436
>but look at Itsuno
Capcom is shit. It's that simple.

>Dragons Dogma
>Lovingly referred to as Fashions Dogma because end-game is all about equipping your pawn etc.
>Dragons Dogma 2
>Removes armour pieces and 90% of equipment is just bought in NPC shops
I used to do BBI runs where I would hire some random pawns and fully equip them and send them back to the owner. In DD2 I think I used my friends pawn for the entire thing, without even swapping. There's basically no incentive to even bother.

>>719165938
>You're acting like DD1 wasn't shit on since day 1
It wasn't, you're a liar. The vast majority of people never heard of the game to be able to care about it in the first place, and the only people who cared enough to talk about it was the small niche audience who could see past the jank. You are the lying revisionist faggot.

>>719165891
Because the love was artificial and inflated by e-celebs. His downfall mirrors a disgraced e-celeb because it's all fake posers they created. His best games are 25 year old fighting games that none of this new "fanbase" played. The only good game he released after that point is dmc3 which zoomers only give a shit about because it again became an e-celeb meme IP.

Itsuno is a solid workman style director, like many of the other capcom fighting game directors nobody has ever heard of. His best work was always sequels to other people's IP yet he became a kojima style mythical figure because of fake internet hype.

>>719162582
That's /v/ all right!

>>719166251
Just make Dragons Dogma Online 2 and release it to the West. If they released DDO in the West to begin with, we wouldn't have all this complaining.

>>719146335 (OP)
Itsunofags in shambles.

>>719166538
this, I remember making a DD1 thread on /v/ in 2012 and it got deleted and I was told to take it to /vg/ where we had a dd general

>>719166231
Sorry, slopper. But as much as you want to feel special for simping for some "underground" nipsloo it's indeed a big budget studio game published and heavily marketed by Capcom. Shitsuno didn't make it on his basement with 3 other people. So get off your high horse.

>>719166443
So now are we pretending he never worked on any of these games? Or that they didn't exist or something?

>>719166642
>Muh slop
Concession accepted

>>719166662
yes I'm sure you know all about their development cycles

so full of shit

>DD2 gets a bigger world
>the entire second half of the game just repeats the same things from the first and there's not much to find exploring
>DD2 gets more towns
>besides the main two towns they're all extremely bland
>DD2 gets camping to give a better feeling of adventure
>It's just sleeping and nothing else
I feel like we were so close to greatness, but it feels like every single piece missed the mark somewhat

>>719166538
Every piece of praise for DD1 at launch was that it was a good 7/10. The reappraisal from the mass market didn't come till after the souls wave forced a re-examination of both DD and monster hunter, the conclusion was still DD was a game with huge missed potential

>man basically says he made the game shit on purpose
>people still defend him and come up with their own headcanon
Just accept he isn't good at making games. Why can't you retards do this?

>>719166798
>It's just sleeping and nothing else
And cooking, with associated eating buffs AND it lets you swap skills to play around with more skills while in the wilderness.

Classic DD2 hatepost
>Lists a new feature
>Lies about the implementation to serve his pre-determined conclusion

I love how such a disproportionate amount of the people shitting on dd2 can't even provide accurate information about the game
I'm literally better than you at criticizing a game I like

>>719166724
>a game's director doesn't make any decisions at all ever

>>719166798
>DD2 gets camping to give a better feeling of adventure
>It's just sleeping and nothing else
what, you didn't like when your pawn said something like "these amazing conversations are proof of our bond as adventurers" without ever actually talking about anything specific?

>>719166020
DD2 vs. DD1, of course. My mind blanked.

>>719166915
who are you quoting?

>>719166867
Yeah the cooking felt really half baked as well. Only had like 4 clips of meat cooking and not much else. My complaints are really relegated to this type of stuff
>>719166918
I always wanted something more like pic related from the first game's soundtrack art

>>719165498
Dragon's Dogma 1 always sucked, its damage/defense system, the way progression was fucked, the balance of skills being complete ASS like yellows raining insane DPS on the move and skills that stagger cyclops being spammable as fuck.
Everything about DD1 was a poorly designed mess and the reason why it failed as ARPG

>>719167042
>Yeah the cooking felt really half baked as wel
There's more vairety than you'd think actually. There's about 6 different "cooking meat" clips if you pay close attention. But yes, the cooking was underdeveloped

>can't even good fish
I mean seriously.

>>719166940
>>719166443

>>719166918
>>719167042
need more wilderness living in vidya
rdr2 did it well if you can get past the slog

>>719167119
woah... 6...

>>719167008
almost a year and a half and still going strong

>>719167163
who?

>>719167232
lol

>>719167232
it's better than four because six sounds like sex and four sounds like whore and you want sex but you don't want to be a whore

>>719167042
>the first game's soundtrack
Speaking of soundtrack, that's another thing that got worse. I can't even remember any songs in 2, meanwhile 1's soundtrack is rent free in my head.

>>719150286
Now I am imagining Itsuno making an Elder Scrolls game.

>>719166928
Ah, fair play then. Nah, DD2 isn't a "bad game", just extremely underwhelming

>>719166682
>no argument

>>719167203
Go play something like Long Dark then, there's countless games that fit your criteria here.

>>719166820
The mass market did not become aware of Dragon's Dogma as an IP until DD2 started to be advertised. You're talking shit again.

For me, it wasn't the gameplay, the performance, or the story. It was the shitty real live videos of a lambchop cooking with day and night filters that ruined the game for me

>>719167372
I'll be honest I can't remember a single song from either game besides Into Free.

DD3 should be Death Stranding but fantasy themed

>>719146335 (OP)
Acknowledging it was mediocre would sit bad on future work interviews. Also prolly still under NDA and he cant say anything negative aboit Capcom without lawyers asking him questions and making him sign affidavits

>>719167519
I was thinking more as a side thing

>>719167623
>he didn't pogchamp and fist pump and turn around to onions chicken face at the Truman show camera hidden in his bedroom when Coils of Light transitioned into Eternal Return
You are not the vessel.

>>719167580
oh yeah, that was kinda jarring.

>>719167623
https://youtu.be/iz1gqx0uRbQ
https://youtu.be/YBHGbMn1ta4
https://youtu.be/UcoLNTG1tTo
https://youtu.be/OTNfuztCMgM
These 4 live rent free in my head

>>719167529
>The release of a new game triggered more concentrated Google searches than a decade of slow re-examination
No shit sherlock

There's no way Shitsuno wasn't booted from the company. Capslop was riding high from all Resident Evil and MH praise. So much that goyim were desperate to lap up anything with their name on it. Dragon's Dogshit 2 was their chance at an Elden Ring. A chance at the next Skyrim. Or at least Monster Hunter's open world brother. But out of touch Troonsuno fucked it up. He overpromised, underdelivered and once again squandered his dream IP. What a sad little hack he is.

>>719167643
but how do you make ladders then if not out of wood, and if they're made out of wood, how do you create believable scarcity without removing all trees...

>>719167787
I always thought the Bishop theme was great too. Always loved hearing it on repeat BBI runs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkmXhJH4J84

>>719167875
you're delusional if you think he was booted. dmc5 was so successful that they 100% asked him to do dmc6 after dd2 was done to which he said no

>>719146697
It is ambitious on a technical level, because it's the first open world game made with the RE engine, so they had to adapt it and the game runs like shit

>>719166820
>>719167529
Journos were shitting on it at release. But the handful of us that played it thought it was cool and fun. There were criticisms, but the 7/10 thing wasn't articulated until later.
Games were kind of shit back then. Remember this was around the time dark souls blew everyone's minds by not being hand holdy baby shit. So some of the issues with DD1 that stick out to people today didn't back then. We didn't really think of it as being as flawed and incomplete as people do now.

>>719167875
>Dragon's Dogshit 2 was their chance at an Elden Ring.
I doubt it, Capcom was kinda hush-hush with the marketing of DD2 I feel. It didn't seem like they had especially huge expectations for the game.

>>719146335 (OP)
>"Itsuno it sold well to normies but fans of the first game didn't like it"
>Well I'm sure normies didn't like it but I made it for fans and they loved it
Retarded gook.

>>719147796
I hope the wind pushes him off a cliff

>>719167434
DA2 wasn't a bad game, by the way. I replayed it recently and realized it only appeared bad in comparison to Origins. The game still has some Bioware magic and the combat is smoother than in the first game. The fundamental problem was how they were forced to rush the game, which clearly caused the big issues with the game. But it's still enjoyable, for something done in 1,5 years.

>DD was NEVER OBSCURE
contrarianism reaching new heights

>>719150286
>forest area
>high elf "area" that takes a minute to cross
>desert
>the end
Great exploration. Also the journey is somehow worse than the first game even pre DD.

>>719168321
>Forest Biome
>Desert Biome
>Volcanic Island Biome
That's literally three times more variety and scope.

>>719147569
>almost complete lack of rewards for exploration
the fuck are you smoking, there's TOO much rewards about exploration, you end up having a shitload of everything just by going into caves. did you play the game for an hour and got mad that you couldn't find a greatsword immediately or are you just retarded?

>this shit came out over a year ago
Wow time flies. I stopped playing like 10 hours in because it kept making my PC hard freeze. I assume it's been fixed by now but I honestly have no desire to pick it up again. Waste of 60 bucks desu

I couldn't finish it, everything was a slog and repetitive. Pawn system is cool, I'd like to see that for a game that's more engaging to play.

>>719168407
I think he meant meaningful/useful rewards

>>719152542
Or maybe he's genuinely bad at judging his own games which failed in multiple areas.
How often do game creators actually play through a majority of their own games anyway? At most, the might play through the first hour or two, which is usually the most dense and go
>"wow people will love 30-100+ hours of this"
despite the game completely losing steam right after

>>719168487
how is it any different in DD1? you got into the same dungeon 2-3 times each. i suppose it was nicer because they were handcrafted and you discovered new sections of dungeons as you revisited them, but it's still the same shit as far as rewards go.

>>719168086
The 7/10 thing was literally the score it received at launch, why are you pretending like nobody reviewed it till 5 years later? Metacritic and game journalists set the tone for all game discussion in that era, the consensus was immediately that it was a mediocre game, that's also why I skipped it.

I distinctly remember game journalists adopting a contrarian opinion on the games after souls put a special aura around clunky Japanese third person action games that filtered alot of people. Every mediocre game on earth has a retarded fanbase who love it because they were 11 when they played it, they are irrelevant here

>>719168589
unless you played the later added hard mode which flooded you with cash, buying all your gear at the merchant wasn't as feasible in dd1, and if I recall correctly there was a decent number of equipment that could only be found in the wild. and since there was overall fewer weapons it felt more impactful when you found one. in dd2 almost every single weapon I found in the wild was worse than what I was already wearing, only exception being the mage staff in the slime cave at the beginning of the game

>>719167793
Here's Metal Gear Solid for comparison, from Snake Eater to Phantom Pain it gets a 25% increase. DD to DD2 is a staggering 75%. The original was not mass market. You are, still, a lying revisionist faggot.
>>719168086
>Journos were shitting on it at release
IGN gave it 7.5 on release. GameCritics gave it a 7.5 on release. Polygon didn't have a score but here's a quote
>Dragon's Dogma never stopped surprising me. Like many of the Western RPGs that influenced it, Dragon's Dogma is an uneven experience, but it's one that rewards patience and perseverance, and it's a bold argument for why Japanese developers should continue making RPGs, with or without the inspiration from this side of the Pacific.
The Guardian also didn't give a numerical score but here's a summary
>It's reassuringly complex, and astonishingly well-executed given that this is Capcom's first attempt at such a game. It may apparently have come from nowhere, but Dragon's Dogma has the wherewithal to go places. If you've extracted all you can from Skyrim, this will fill the resulting void in your life.
You can go look it up. Pick any handful of whatever journos you like and you're going to see 7/10 scores with all of them saying it's a good game but lacking in places. This is all on the internet still for you to find right now. I don't know why you are so insistent on fucking lying about this, especially when you can go look at the reviews yourself right now and see you're a fucking liar.

>>719168589
>how is it any different in DD1?
Did any of the posts in this chain bring up or compare it to DD1?

>>719168993
>Here's Metal Gear Solid for comparison
I am a faggot etc.

Guess that settles it for everyone saying Capcom screwed him over. Itsuno really is a massive hack and DD1 must've been some sort of mistake.

>>719168993
You fucking retard. Why do you think DD2 has this sudden huge spike in interest for a sequel to a game nobody gave a shit about? It's because it spent 10 years undergoing a transformation from mediocre shit to cult classic, that kind of rise for a game normies didn't even like is obviously unnatural.

I never said the first game was mass market you mong, I said it was re-examined and talked about by a mass market. You got retards like asmongold shilling it to his brain-dead mass market fanbase off the back of that cultural flip to cool cult classic, none of these people played the first game.

>>719168436
I had a blast and it works great on my machine bro (ps5 based model)

>>719146335 (OP)
fuck this bitch ass nigger. hope he never finds success ever again

>>719168737
The journo score has fuck all to do with it. Especially in this case where it is near universally agreed that they were wrong about the game even more than they usually are. And it's not a joking "too much water" thing, either.
People call it the best 7/10 because they're acknowledging that it has a lot of flaws but is still really fun in spite of them. It developed as a way of selling the game to people without setting their expectations too high.
As for why journos shit on it, there were a few reasons. They were still super blatantly racist against nips, so a Japanese game that opens up with jrock triggered them. While it ends up becoming super easy, it's also easy to get your shit pushed in at the start which is the only part they played. And the relatively limited fast travelling. Holy shit did that piss people off. It was far and away the biggest complaint.
>>719168993
>you're a fucking liar
I'm not the one feigning ignorance about journo scoring standards to pretend that a 7/10 score was good.

>>719169571
>Why do you think DD2 has this sudden huge spike in interest for a sequel to a game nobody gave a shit about?
Because of the marketing campaign it had. That's it. That's literally all there is to it. There were a handful of niche fags playing their niche fag game then Capcom went all-in on marketting DD2 because they had the budget to do so and the attention sky-rocketted.

Nobody re-examined shit, the consensus on the first game has been the same since the very fucking day it released. Again you can go look this up right now, you can search it yourself, this isn't an opinion, you are factually incorrect you stupid inbred fucking cunt.

I think one of the absolute most disappointing parts of DD2 is how fucking boring the characters were. This bitch does not care about ANYTHING but guarding the emporer. Even when you get her as your beloved, she does not stop talking about the emporer for 5 seconds.

>>719166320
>effort post with good arguments and proof in webm form
>zero replies
Thread and OP confirmed to be anti-shill rrash

>>719169779
Itsuno san already has a legacy other developers could only dream of bro the dude done his part nah mean bro hes good

>>719166298
I too enjoyed my playthrough of DD2 but to me there are some pacing issues and oddities that really really irritate me.
Like the Batthal side of main story quests that just rushes you towards gigantus (like a the quest for the godsword which is just getting 15 crystals that you should have already if you have any roaming for adventure tendencies) and then few steps later after the giant, poof you are already at unmoored world. They could just force you to do some Batthal kitty princess (or was she highpriest/queen) related quests there as a padding that already are there and pace would feel way better than you just trampsing into the "haha we are not doing anything sinister in this magic laboratory so give me 15 dragon crystals and we make the arisens sword".

My second issue is purely about magic archer and nobody can convinve me that you were supposed initially get from elf town (since MA gear is already being sold there and Batthal) and maester it later from exploration to batthal - volcanic isle instead of getting MA and maester from the same short little side quests that you get kinda rail roaded into if you explore the cave path from batthal to isle.

These and some more minor ones feel like issues that come from lack of polish in the late stages of dev cycle and i'm in firm belief DD2 was rushed out when corposide felt it was playable enough and why not slap the microtransactions on top of it.
Everything that is wrong with it could be fixed just by adding little bit more and little bit more polish but as things are that just ain't happening no matter how much we'd wish for it.

>>719169837
>but the 7/10 thing wasn't articulated until later
Your words, not mine. Consistently it scored 7/10 on release. Kill yourself.

>>719169837
What are you talking about? The journalists were right for once in their lives, DD1 is a 7/10. The fact that your immediate defence is racism just tells me you're a schizophrenic butthurt weeb.

Yeah, I'd probably give DD1 around a 7 and DA around an 8.

>>719146335 (OP)
>I made a shit game that flopped uwu
genius

>>719170015
well both DD and DD2 are a blast outta 10 in my book bro and thats all thats matters bro that I had a blast personally which I did the game is an absolute blast

>>719150286
The health gauge loss is laughable
The dungeons are shit
The stealth quest still have no stealth/crouch button
The crafting system is incredibly barebones, you can't even make foreign knives and throwblasts
You have some weird quests with unique routes and that's it. You can sometimes parkour and jump with some vocations, but since there's no overwrching curated level design, the whole thing needs to be irrelevant and flattened for all vocations to proceed through the same obstacles in the end.
DD2 is no great "adventuring" game. Elden Ring offers a lot more of that

>>719170061
nah bro like if you didnt like Itsuno san’s masterpiece is one thing but to claim it was a let flop when its actually an absolute blast and Capcom has said
it themselves it was a financial success bro not flop at all man thats crazy bro

>>719169845
The marketing campaign was shit. It literally went from mediocre 7/10 slop to getting a fucking sticky on /v/ for a sequel announcement back to 6/10 mediocre shit. It's a crystal clear example of cult classic status inflating an IPs worth only to dump when people realise what it actually is and has been all along

I would have bought it if it wasnt pozzed with divershitty.

>>719170270
yea bro DD has always been a niche series for sure man for sure

>>719146335 (OP)
He won't even admit that he released an unfinished game.

>>719170375
>DD1 wasn't niche when it launched
You're a disingenuous moron, I'm tired of talking to you

>>719169990
There is no way you didn't know I was talking about fans saying it. Why did you decide to be a dishonest rat?
>>719170015
No, they were completely fucking wrong. DD1 is a genuinely good game, especially for when it released. Even by non-inflated standards where 6/10 means unplayable garbage, it would be an 8/10. And with the inflated scores it's an easy 9/10.

>>719170472
I am agreeing unironically thats its a niche series bro relax man geez bro

>>719170492
>Journos were shitting on it at release
>journo scoring standards
Your words, not mine. Kill yourself.

>>719150286
>Itsuno however cares about the pawns and exploration, he wants to make games where you go on a "journey" with limited fast travel, somewhat similar to Death Stranding. I don't think he succeed, but that's clearly his intention. He could have easily made something more combat focused if he wanted but he didn't.

What the fuck are you talking about. The combat felt like the only thing they put any effort into. I don't see how it could be any more combat focused when there's little more to the game than fighting fucking goblins harpies and wolves over and over.

There was absolutely no substance to the exploration or quests.

>>719146335 (OP)
I mean the base game is fine, it's just the NG+ mode that is worthless because it doesn't add anything new. You're just loading your already powered up character into a new world to do everything you've already done before all over again. No new gear, no new enemies, no new bosses, no new events. You don't unlock anything by beating the game.

>>719170270
DD2 was fucking everywhere leading to its release, it was all over every advertising platform, you are a lying fucking nigger if you're going to pretend that it wasn't. They pumped a fuckload of money into hyping the game up. If there was some re-examining of the game because of its cult status then people wouldn't be shitting on DD1. That's not how cult status works. You don't even know what you're arguing anymore you dumb fuck.

>>719170270
Retard

Was worth seeing this POS come out and tank, because it 100% exposed The Sphere Tranny as the paid shill he is.

>>719146335 (OP)
>he deliberately designed his game to be hated by many
Wrong. He made a game for people who enjoyed the first one, like me and i enjoyed it.

>>719170635
>ignores 90% of what was said to intentionally lie about what was meant
What is wrong with you? I can't even tell if you like the game or hate it or anything other than you sucking journo cock.

>>719151409
Now thats a contrarian hot take, congrats

>>719170959
same bro I personally had an absolute blast personally

>>719170992
>Everyone was shitting on it
>No they weren't
>Journos were shitting on it
>Provably false
>People only liked it long-after release
>Also a provable lie
>REEE STOP CONTRADICTING ME
Kill yourself.

>>719151271
I pity the fags that missed on DD2 by listening to discord trannies
>>719152714
They weren't working on it for 12 years. And had to make an entire new game from scratch, on a new engine that never had an open world game done in it and still did a great job.

>>719151271
>those retards thought the 80 dollar game was going to be good, hahahaha

>>719171101
>Everyone was shitting on it
Not only did I never say this, I said the opposite in a post that you replied to.
>Journos were shitting on it
You yourself provided proof that I was right.
>People only liked it long-after release
Not only did I never say this, I said the opposite in a post that you replied to.
Again, what is your problem?

>>719171447
>lying more
Kill yourself.

>>719171457
its a niche meme for very niche game bro you wouldn’t get it

>>719171649
maybe in half a decade from now you’ll come to the realization of just how much of a blast Itsuno san’s masterpiece is when your favorite fagtuber makes a video “Why Itsuno’s masterpiece is a blast after all”
trust me bro you’ll come around bro

It really goes to show how much people still care for this game despite all the shitposting via this thread
I wished that there were more classes and less talking about party composition.
Everything else was fun. Albeit past the initial performance issues.

>>719168749
Forsen said DD1 was dogshit too (he literally got filtered by quests not putting objective markers on the map). Do you agree with him?

>>719151880
>>719159326
nice reddit meme faggot

Haven't seen DMCfags spamming their shitty dance gifs in a while.

What is 'niche' about DD2 compared to Elden Ring which has way less guidance in it's map and quest structure and extremely punishing difficulty, or Baldur's Gate 3 which uses systems and a gameplay style too abstract and complicated for the average person to wrap their head around? It's a pretty casual game all around it just has major issues.

>>719158828
DD is my favorite game which is exactly why I know DD2 isn't more of the same.

I dunno, what we had in DD2 was fun

>>719171061
I really liked the pawns in DD2. It's funny how they comment on shit you do when talking to them at the camps. It goes well with my rule of hiring a pawn and never dismiss it.

While I enjoyed exploring the world in DD2 running into the same encounters with reskinned enemies got boring quickly, the thing I most enjoyed about 2's combat was the trickster class because a big part of the game is lugging around 3 NPCs and I felt trickster was the only class that really made use of it. Beset by some random encounter? I'm not gonna bother with that, my peons are already casting meteor.

>>719150721
LMAO

>>719172070
DMCucks should bang bang bang, pull the fucking trigger and join the rest of the 42%. Disgusting troon fanbase.

>>719164743
>It's literally DD1 but with more and better of -everything
Kill yourself

>>719150286
>e wants to make games where you go on a "journey" with limited fast travel, somewhat similar to Death Stranding.

That's what I want, but the game isn't fucking finished.

>>719167076
I smell a Fromdrone who thinks Souls is the pinnacle of action RPGs.

>>719148763
>someone tried to claim
Reuben Langdon said it. And then Itsuno said he did have a "discussion".

>leave Capcom years ago
That would've been 10+ years ago before DMC5 started production.

>>719166798
>camping
Honestly this was actually really disappointing. Having your pawns sitting around the campfire with the illusion of chatting but not really, it just rang hollow.

>>719158828
It's just discord trannies. They do that on every game that gets attention.Just watch as they shit in DMCV even thought DMCV was a massive hit and took /v/ over for a long time. It started with Barry going mad with the FFXV shit and escalated to other games. The ball is on NG4 right now, but as soon as some other popular game gets announced, they'll move there. Shitting threads is the only game that a tranny play.

It makes sense. DD was only ever good without Itsuno (DA, DDO).

>>719173897
Kinoshitafags are more deluded than the people saying DD2 was actually good.

I still don't know why such a harmless action adventure fantasy game gets peoples' panties in such a twist. I'm one of the original DD fans and I liked 2 overall despite it needing more dev time. I have plenty of criticisms across both games but I'm not afraid to say that I still enjoy them. The good things about the series far outweigh the bad things for me.

>>719174193
>I still don't know why such a harmless action adventure fantasy game gets peoples' panties in such a twist.

Because visually it looks like a normalfag game (Medieval Fantasy ARPG), but design wise its the complete opposite once you actually play it. It's weird and obtuse in a way games aren't anymore, so lots of normalfags feels "betrayed" by it since they expected something more approachable like Elden Ring.

>>719174401
It looks like a game, nothing about it "normalfag" whatever you mean by that. I wouldn't say ER is any more approachable either.

>>719174193
I really loved the first game and was seriously let down by the sequel, it isn't more complicated than that.

>>719172994
And he would be correct
>>719174401
>It's weird and obtuse in a way games aren't anymore
I wish that was the issue and not the game plainly sucking

>>719173060
>Reuben Langdon said it
Correct. And someone tried to claim that because Reuben said it that meant Itsuno said it
>That would've been 10+ years ago before DMC5 started production
And in that interview Itsuno basically refutes that idea

>>719175360
People who pretend Souls or Elden Ring have the best action RPG combat can be safely ignored as being retarded casuals who deluded themselves into thinking they're real enthusiasts. It's like thinking Elder Scrolls or The Witcher is the best RPG series.

>>719174401
It is a normalfag game it's just a mediocre one

>>719175526
Filtered

>>719175759
Fromdrones never disappoint.

>>719165539
>It's not fair to expect a game without DLC to be "bigger" than one with it.
it absolutely is in this context lmao stop huffing copium