Thread 719154109

Man it's nice being creative. How does your empire fare?

>claim to be creative
>play someone else's game

>>719154217
He's playing a leader with the creative trait, dummy.
It's why his borders are so large at that early date.

>>719154740
Yeah, I'm gonna gamble a bit and go writing before bronze working as it seems like the neighbouring schizo doesn't have copper either.

>other civ just spawning right next to your doorstep
I fucking hate this, give me some room to expand.

>>719154109 (OP)
Creative is not a good trait.

>>719155285
It very much is. It is in the second-best tier after expansive and financial and without it I would never do crazy settles like this

>>719155803
Build the Stonehenge and you basically have beta version of Creative. It depends on the map and location how useful it is, but your economy won't generally depend on the few tiles your culture might steal from your neighbors.

>>719155940
Stonehenge is a lot of hammers that could be used on workers and settlers and even then it's only half the culture that creative gives and pollutes your great person pool. It's not a bad wonder but creative is stronger as it also gives half cost libraries.

>>719156081
It's actually very cheap in comparison to other Wonders. It's the kind of Wonder you can rush in a handful of turns with early forest cutting. I'm not encouraging you to build the Stonehenge necessarily, I'm just telling you a single Wonder would give you universal culture output, meanwhile traits are more important than singular Wonders. The culture buildings in general tend to be not so useful in this game. Theatres and libraries are good, and theatres only when you want culture output or culture victory.

>>719156416
And theatres give happiness.

>>719156416
Well I'm already playing a creative leader with no stone so it's really far down the priority list. In another game I might more seriously consider it but Willem really doesn't need it.

>>719156574
The main purpose is to have fun anyway, with different leaders and traits. Just said it's not good because there's nothing else to talk about.

>>719156081
Wait, he's alive?

>>719155940
Depending on difficulty level, you're just not going to beat the AI on an ancient-era wonder.
Maybe industrious + stone could do it. But then see >>719156081 .
Early game you really do need to get workers + settlers + units + infrastructure going.

>>719156798
Yeah I'm on Immortal, so early wonders aren't really happening unless I really plan for them. The marble next to my capital does make me want to go for a cheeky great library + mausoleum

>>719156798
I don't know what difficulty you play/played on but assuming you do Warlord like most people, you can win ancient-era wonders. Naturally very easy on noble.

>>719154109 (OP)
Playing CiV6 currently.
Got a few games going but always start losing interest when I have to start voting for world congress. If you're not mobilizing troops against me, I don't give a fuck.

>>719157139
I never got past like a 100 turns in that. Somehow I just lose interest.

>>719157139
>rare Civ4 thread
>Civ5-6 zoomers start crawling in
Please follow the discussion from a safe distance.

>>719156936
Creative is "fun" in earth 18 when you play as France and destroy Madrid, Berlin, Rome and London with your cultural expansion alone, btw.

>>719157409
I know, Europe is so stupidly overpopulated in that map that you can do some funny horse archer rushes. This portuguese retard must have beelined alphabet from the get go

>>719154109 (OP)
Aw sweet a civ 4 thread. After all these years playing it I am still absolute shit at balancing an economy and army. Especially since installing K-Mod, AI can wage war and will fuck your shit up

>>719158230
Why doesn’t Civ IV get discussed more often? It’s a great game

Civ 4 is the peak of the series: iconic quotes spoken by an iconic voice, moddable like no other, leaders chosen without consideration of political correctness.

>>719159698
Because Civ 5 was a lot of peoples first Civ and it excels in presentation and people are suckers for that kind of thing. Civ 5 was my first game and I tried 4 and after playing it I was so disgusted by 5 I never played it again. 5fags only argument against 4 is muh stacks. They never played 4 and never got to experience the scale, decision making, tech tree, warfare, production in Civ 4. 5 is babbys first strategy game

>>719159698
Because this board is zoomer. Final Fantasy X is an old nostalgic game to them.

>>719159880
>iconic quotes

>>719159949
Just admit you got filtered by happiness.
>>719159949
Because it's outdated rubbish made obsolete by Civ VI.

>>719157139
That's the biggest drawback of 5 and 6 to me. World congress. It's a mandatory thing and you cannot abstain from voting you have to partake in it. I don't remember what era triggers world congress but it never made any sense to me, That was a modern idea with United Nations and all of a sudden we've got a world congress that everyones forced into. Stupid

>>719160069
I bet you love the I am fond of pigs quote. Get fucked nigger you have no argument all you have is an image that's supposed to somehow diminish his post

>>719160196
>Just admit you got filtered by happiness.
It literally makes no sense in the real world. Why would my city get pissed off if a city a thousand miles away is mad? So stupid. I dumped hundreds of hours in the game over years and I got good at balancing the happiness it was always a stupid mechanic. Civ4 had local happiness which makes sense.
>Because it's outdated rubbish made obsolete by Civ VI.
Outdated and rubbish how? You can't criticize something by slapping some phrases on it and expect me to agree. New doesn't equal better all the time

>>719160440
Civ VI has everything that made IV good in addition to unique leader and Civ abilities, hex fields, city states, a better unit stacking mechanic, and more.

>>719160269
The image is the argument, and itnis valid.

>>719160048
How did this board get so infested with zoomtards?

>>719160986
>itnis valid
Good morning sir

>>719160918
To each their own. I do agree that 6 is better than 5 but when it comes down to it, 4 feels like a proper empire simulator. I didn't let the leader art bother me when I played it. I wasn't a fan of district adjacency autism and still the same braindead combat AI of 5 so I never stuck with it

>>719161403
They came in and desu, we should be out.

>>719161502
>minor spelling mistake

4cucks are so fucking retarded.
Have fun fighting shit load of units in a single hex

>>719161535
Civ V is dumbed down compared to IV but is still good and is better than VI but IV is still the best. What does everyone think of III though? I haven’t played it in a while might give it another go at some point.

>>719162114
>What does everyone think of III though?
I like how simplistic it is although I'd rather play 4. It's a really good game on it's own and I see why people prefer it to Civ4

>>719161813
Retards like you that never played the games they are shitting on are retarded. Shut the fuck up you ignorant retard. inb4 hurr i played 10 hours

I don't know why but for some reason the Colonization mode of IV does not feel fun to play compared to the DOS version.

>>719157139
Democracy is boring as shit, should just get rid of it.

The greek niggers keep attacking me so every 30 turns I have to go burn one of his cities down.

>>719163220
Realism Invictus?

>>719163375
yes

>>719163521
Based. I never managed over a hundred turns, I'm just burnt out

>>719154109 (OP)
>square grid
after playing any hex based games squares feel so clunky and outdated

>>719154109 (OP)
Play xcom 2 with mods like a real man

VI, but
>playing Poland on island plates
>spawn on the same island as the Aztecs
>not sure whether I want to war with them, forward settle and begin killing the barbarians on their borders
>the barbarian camp in an awkward position and the Aztecs end up in a perfect position to clear it despite me doing all the work
>decide to declare war to lure them away from the camp
>open the trade menu to see if I can't unload steal some of their gold
>they have a relic
>Poland wants relics
>they refuse to trade it, not even for all of my gold and luxuries
>fuck it, war
>very quickly realize that we're the only two civilizations on a relatively small island
>worse, realize that there's mountain range dividing the island in half between the two of us
>two one-tile chokepoints, one of which is occupied by a city
>it takes an entire era to break through and capture their capital
>by the time the war is over, we're both completely irrelevant
>it took so long that I forgot about the relic
>two eras later, the Mayans offer it to trade it to me out of the blue
One little annoyance started a war that lasted hundreds of years and wiped out an entire civilization, yet I didn't even remember what started it. I assume he sold it for gold to pay for his units toward the end.

>>719154109 (OP)
I do not remember the game looking like that holy molly squares are so bad in retrospe t and that's coming from someone who hated the idea hexagons at first

>>719163703
This is the problem with nu-gamers. Too comfy in their ways. Squares aren't all that different and allow more movement

>>719162114
I'd say that VI is absolutely better than V without mods, it's a shame it doesn't have its own Vox Populi.

>>719163703
>clunky and outdated
Games have gotten worse, not better.
"Outdated" is actually a term of praise.

>>719165425
I'll never get over the terrible ideologically motivated leader and civ choice in VI. Secondly, I don't like 1 unit per tile combat that much.

>>719154740
What impact would creativity have back when it was all cave paintings and storytellers?

Some would say that Civ II is the best
https://web.archive.org/web/20201109043405/https://gamervw.com/2018/06/29/why-civilization-ii-best-game/

>>719163703
I really don't get why people are so hung up on squares vs. hexes. It's a really inconsequential thing.

>>719167505
Easy.
Their cave paintings had anime tiddies and other cave paintings did not. Thus people thought they were cooler.

>>719170370
People love to bitch about change and everything and anything. Can't wait to hear everyone complain about snow

>>719169815
I've been wanting to try it as I've played most of the games including Civ Revolution which is a fantastic casual game

>>719171405
Freeciv is pretty much civ 2 from what I remember.

>>719170926
Fair point

>>719160069
>Dan Quayle quote
Kino, zoomers will never understand

>>719165425
It does, but the difference is that VI mods aren't neatly prepackaged like Vox Populi - you have to build it yourself. The exception is probably Better Balanced Game, which is an overhaul mod that (obviously) rebalances the game. I believe it started off as a mod designed for competitive multiplayer, but it's very good in no small part because people play so much multiplayer VI.

Personally, I play singleplayer so I have my own mod list that includes:
>Civilizations Expanded, which is a complete rebalance of every civ and leader in the game
I cannot shill this mod hard enough. There's also a "Lite" version that's much more vanilla.
>P0khiel's mods that rebalance tall vs. wide
>two additional game modes that are so well-made they might as well be official
>extra luxuries
>extra and rebalanced natural wonders
>extra and rebalanced city-states
>rebalanced religion
>more unique units
>UI improvements for virtually every UI element in the game
>an overhaul of how religion and trade work, which also completely redesigns Arabia
>some minor rebalancing of the tech tree
BBG is good, but I just prefer other mods. The issue is that there's not some sort of agreed-upon god mod (or mod list) like Vox Populi.

That's it, you shitheads.
I'm installing it AGAIN
Fuck you.

>>719174674
Post your start

>>719174674
CIV IV is the first game I install every time I get a new computer

>>719171467
Free Civ doesn't have the live action advisors though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlTIk80uBPg

>>719163220
>Civ 4 at greater than 1080p
I wish someone would make a UI scaling mod

>>719182120
2560x1440 still works for me but I dread the thought going further

>>719182275
Oh I have. I tried it at 4K once. That was what taught me that UI scaling is important. Luckily 4's graphics look the same at basically any resolution.
Also Realism Invictus kinda ruined vanilla for me. Separatism can be annoying at times but vanilla also feels way less interesting without it.
>>719163672
Maybe try Neoteric World. It has some features from RI but doesn't change the game length.

>>719182120
But some guy at civfanatics is apparently rewriting the engine so just wait a few more years.

>>719154109 (OP)
Will they ever turn 7 around?

>>719182942
I myself haven't tried it at 4k so I can't really tell if it's actually unplayable although 2560x1440 does get a bit bad at times.

>>719183053
It's too ingrained in humankind mechanics that it's unlikely.

>>719182945
Oh that's encouraging. I wish him well. It'd help for the game's longevity since it's so old now.
>>719183161
From what I recall readability isn't affected too much. Though you're not gonna be reading the little tooltip fact that pops up when you hover over tiles. Just clicking on anything is a pain though because everything is so small. You can get around that by using just hotkeys but it's still annoying.

>>719183296
I wonder how much of the humankind crap they'll keep around for civ 8

>>719183795
It's kinda fascinating. Sadly he hasn't opened up his codebase as would likely be willing to spend some hours in improving it.

>>719182275
>>719182942
I don't mind playing at 4k at all, but I'm the type of person that doesn't use any ui scaling anywhere else anyway.
Last time I played was before they added separtism. They make it sound like the ai is too dumb to deal with it properly, but I'll take your word that it makes the game a lot more interesting.

>>719184249
Wait who are they? The game itself hasn't had updates in 10 or so years.

>>719184361
The people making the realism invicus mod that anon mentioned in the post I replied to.

>>719163220
Doesn't Civ4 have a better resolution that doesn't turn the UI tiny like that?

>>719184249
I first saw separatism in 2018 or 2019 after only having played the 2014 release before. It's been there pretty long.
I think the AI is adequate at managing it. They at least know to turn up espionage in response to it. If a country gets too big and too powerful then they probably are gling to crack once they get into long wars. I like it because it keeps the scoreboard more dynamic since nations can rise and fall still instead of it being a snowball game. For me RI is a bit more of a management game than strategy since it goes on so long it's hard not to take a decisive lead partway through without placing handicaps on yourself.

>>719183901
Going by the recent entries they'll mostly copy -endless legend 2 and be none the wiser

>>719154109 (OP)
Are Civ players more entitled to discuss slavery?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SojeFbKJcgE

>>719184681
I dunno they're still sticking with their dumb 1/3rd philosophy so I'd assume they'll keep some of that humankind stuff

>>719184974
Slavery is good, great even in Civ 4

>>719166058
>1 unit per tile combat
Who thought that was a good idea?

For me, it's Civ 4 Colonization

Only the rope will make that anon bitching about 1up stop them. Literally every thread.

>>719154109 (OP)
Hey, it's that game I use to play Ashes of Erebus!

>>719173360
Thanks for the input anon, I'll look up these mods.

I'm just going to say it
>Humankind does all of the things Civ V does but better
Well, admittedly it only has one victory condition which is a bit lame but otherwise it's surprisingly fun for a casual 4X game.

>>719160069
Are these meant to be bad or something?

>>719180739
Civ 2 is underrated

>>719190084
Have fun

>>719154109 (OP)
There should be a mode that is SLOWER than marathon, I want to enjoy the exploration and settling during bronze and iron age, and have a long drawn out medieval period before we get to the m*dern part of the game.

>>719192518
>before we get to the m*dern part of the game.
sorry m8, behemoth pulls the peasants' plow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyZm4r8InXY

>>719164026
>it took so long that I forgot about the relic
sovl, I love it when the games actually get some unique world history going on

I like anno 1800 more.

>>719192804
the only interesting part of the later third of the game is when you get to 1900s and different countries go down different ideologies and you get to become bros out of nowhere because both you are the philiphines or whoever are fascists, or declare war upon the filthy capitalist french as communist scythia and what not. once you're in true modern times it's just skip-turn spam if you're lucky and at worst a war where you have to micromanage 50 shitty units each turn.

>>719160269
>I bet you love the I am fond of pigs quote
Whats wrong with it?

I have memories of greatly enjoying civilization 2 on PlayStation one but when i tried to play civ 3 then 4, i couldn't understand the games anymore.

>>719193003
setting up for historical political divisions is one of my most autistic endevours in civ
>start game as korea, playing against korea
>once ideologies come around go for communism
>blast nkorean music while fighting other korea and whoever I feel like
I also do the same with russia against germany, and germany against russia.
italy against ethiopia was probably the most niche one.

>>719192804
Who at Firaxis was a fan of John Adams? There's never been as perfect a soundtrack for a game as the modern era in 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnF5rdJ1oWQ

>>719193176
I always though it was strange that they released what is primarily a PC game for a console it’s like how Age of Empires II was also released on the PS2, it’s pretty strange.

>>719194510
honestly the whole soundtrack was excellent
people focus on Baba Yetu, but it was hardly a standout

>>719157139
Civ games nearly always have bad/boring endgame but Civ 6's is particularly gay for some reason.
I think its cuz doing basically anything in the endgame in 6 requires you to either do absolutely nothing, or kill every other player in the match.
There's no in-between with 6.

Also i feel like 6 has so many random mechanics, currencies and intricate things slapped on that the AI doesnt even know where to being to optimise it all to ever be a threat.

>>719161403
when zoomers started turning 30 years old this year.

>>719183901
if 8 isnt 1:1 a copy of 5 or 6 itll be gg for Firaxis.

>>719154109 (OP)
Imma culture bomb u nigga