Thread 719163226

>Highest skill ceiling of any FPS
>/v/ hates it
Why?

>>719163226 (OP)
>high skill ceiling
>without movement techs
unc really thought he cooked :skull:

>>719163226 (OP)
I didn't want to learn all the spots on the map where the defender puts a bullet in the wall and then waits for the light coming through to get blocked and wallbang someone. At the time, thee was no deathmatch mode either.

They went from kino realistic gritty terrorist simulator to Fortnite kiddie FPS wannabe COD BO6 with future tech not possible to exist that nobody asked for

>>719163304
They fixed that years ago. You can't see through bullet sized holes anymore.

>>719163273
Honestly despite the shitpost I feel like you're right. Why can't fps games have body motion as good as max payne 3 or mgs5?

>>719163273
Even with the simplistic movement it's still exponentially more complex than any arena shooter.

>>719163396
>with future tech not possible to exist that nobody asked for
we had scifi gadgets at release

>>719163226 (OP)
Because it's fucking gay. Imagine focusing on esports shit over Terrorist Hunt.

>>719163470
Eh I dunno. I am on a FPS kick again after the bf6 demo. Okay fine I'll install it, collect your nickel with pride.

>>719163273
>unc thinks spamming jump is movement tech

>>719163226 (OP)
picrel
shit's not fun when every other match someone's got esp, aimbot, spinbot if they're a real faggot, or a combination of the above with hard bullets

>>719164168
It's only really bad at diamond and up.
Every big FPS has a cheater problem.

>>719163226 (OP)
it's too LGBT coded

>>719165030
We have a word for that anon, it's gay. Just say the game is too gay.

>>719163473
>Why can't fps games have body motion as good as max payne 3 or mgs5?
Because it's first person and that feels fucking awful.
If you want to experience what this would be like download the Out of Action playtest right now, it's definitely doable, but it does not feel good.

>>719163226 (OP)
>highest skill ceiling
>removes cooking frag grenades

>>719166675
>free kills from below
>skill

I had fun with it years ago but I didn't like how they tried to add a plot, how sci-fi the operators were becoming and how fucking faggy it got as well.
The albino astronaut with the satellite bounced super holograms was the final straw.

>>719163226 (OP)
The game sucks and has sucked for a while now. Gunplay feels clunky and the artstyle and lore have been ruined.
>>719166830
Just move

>>719166830
While being blasted from below sucked it was a punishment for allowing them to gain intel on your position.

>>719168229
>Just move
You have no warning with a cooked grenade.
>>719168403
>allowing them to gain intel on your position
Getting intel as an attacker is trivial with 10 drones and there are positions on every site that defenders always play or are forced to play after a wall is opened.

>>719168573
You have tools to destroy or disable drones.
You can prevent walls being opened.
Shitty map design though, yeah theres no fixing that.

>>719168959
>You have tools to destroy or disable drones.
Ban mute and now that's not an option and Mozzie is not an effective replacement.
Also IQ can destroy mute jammers from below and had frags at the time.
>You can prevent walls being opened.
Not going to happen at higher ranks. Bandit tricking is the only way to guarantee to truly stop a wall getting opened but it has problems.
1. Pretty much every bandit trick spot can be naded or soft breached vertically
2. Maverick is immune to wall denial gadgets so you have to use one of your bans on him
3. Keeping bandit from being killed while tricking usually requires defenders to hold offsite and/or invest utility doing so

>>719168092
yeah the lore is awful

>>719163226 (OP)
The original Siege, from release to year 2 or so, was incredible. Glitches and all. I put about 1700 hours into that game. A really good team could win a match without most of the players even firing a shot. Strategy, map knowledge, communication, and well-deployed gadgets won you the day every time. Since then, they've ruined the game with

>Dogshit new maps
Old maps were simple and intuitive. House and Plane, for example, were laid out like any house or plane would be. You would immediately know where basement or cockpit are, and could navigate easily. The new maps, and reworks of good old maps (Hereford) are intentionally confusing mazes.

>Operator Spam
Original Siege had the perfect balance of operators, it was like chess. Mostly realistic or at least plausible gadgets and abilities (jammer, sledgehammer, big shield). Every operator had a counter (Mute counters Thermite, Thatcher Counters Mute). Now, there's too many operators with dumb abilities (run through walls, holograms) that ruin the fun.

>Gay lore (see>>719163396)
Game originally had a hardcore premise about domestic terrorists using nerve gas, now it's Overwatch.

>>719171468
The old maps would be ripped apart by current siege players. They were only playable because nobody knew what to do back then.
>Original Siege had the perfect balance of operators, it was like chess
it was very simplistic compared to today. thermite, thatcher, and ash were pretty much must picks as was smoke and bandit on defense. you always attacked the exact same way because the maps were so simple there was no reason to do anything else.

what happened to Due Process?

>>719172184
>old maps would be ripped apart by current siege players.

Because the game enables them to play that way. It's why the game is shit now. Keep the movement speed slow, make new maps with the same simple design philosophy, and you'd be fine.

>>719172608
it got revived recently.
it's boring compared to siege.

>>719166830
It's only a free kill from below if
1/ you have absolutely zero control of the area below you
2/ your position is compromised or predictable
3/ you didn't open any holes for vert

>>719172608
in absolute dev hell. OG dev team were incompetent to the point of abandoning it and some big hearted small skill fools picked it.

>>719163226 (OP)
I hate all the waiting
>have to wait to find a game
>have to wait for everyone to pick an operator
>have to wait for everyone's potato PCs or consoles with hard drives to load
>have to wait for the prep phase
>have to sit around playing hide and seek for minutes before you can shoot anything
>if you happen to die early because some other autist droned you out or you died to some retarded tiny hole peek, you get to wait until the end of the round and then repeat the prep phase waiting

LET ME SHOOT SOMETHING

Ah yes the game where your enemies are Master Chief, the guy from Yakuza, Dallas from Payday, Lara Croft, Leon Kennedy, Rick and Morty, fucking 2B from Nier Automata and the list goes on

how the fuck am I supposed to even identify who the hell I'm fighting?? Crossovers were a fucking mistake

>>719172792
>Keep the movement speed slow
siege is slower than it has ever been.
>make new maps with the same simple design philosophy
if siege maps were designed the same way they were back then attackers would win 90% of the time.

>>719172813
>you have absolutely zero control of the area below you
there is always a cost associated with that. you send your roamers below there is no horizontal presence and attackers can push for free on the far side of the map and roamers cannot hold an area forever. the primary strategy for defense is to hold in layers and waste time slowly falling back room by room. you might be able to hold it early game but you're not holding it late game.
>your position is compromised or predictable
unavoidable late game. there are power positions defenders have to hold on most sites.
>you didn't open any holes for vert
if you're looking at the floor you're not watching something else.

>>719166830
if you throw a frag at a ceiling you should be dead. the game is just retarded.

>>719173298
just play deathmatch monkey brain

>>719173552
>if you throw a frag at a ceiling you should be dead
why? it created numerous problems. cooking nades isn't even realistic it's an extremely stupid thing to do.

>>719173881
the person, throwing a frag grenade into the ceiling a few feet above their head, should be fucking dead.

>>719174030
>my braindead unrealistic tactic should work because... BECAUSE IT JUST SHOULD OK??

>>719174310
anon you retard he is saying the one throwing the grenade should die

>>719175670
I assumed that wasn't what he meant because that's even more stupid. clearing an entire room with a single grenade would ruin the game.

>>719163226 (OP)
I think nobody likes the aesthetic

>>719176331
What? Where are you getting that from? How dumb are you?

>>719176575
he wants the grenade explosion to be so big it will kill the player throwing it if theyre in the same room.

>>719163226 (OP)
>modern ubisoft
>went from serious tactical to hero shooter
>female operatives
>killed t-hunt
>has helped keep modern ubisoft alive
Gameplay wise it could be the second coming of Christ and I'd still hate it.

>>719163226 (OP)
>90% of playerbase are hackers
>leftist developers used a game about swat teams to preach about transexuals and homosexuals

>>719173490
What a dumb complaint. You could have at least said something dumb like
>it ruins the military artstyle and artistic integrity of the game
And at least you might've had a point. But
>how the fuck am I supposed to even identify who the hell I'm fighting?
Really nigger? You're either blind or fucking retarded.

cheaters

>>719163226 (OP)
>Highest skill ceiling of any FPS

>>719163273
Even if it's shitposting anyone who shortens uncle is underage

>>719177403
>posts a console only tournament from y1

*BUUUUUUURP* UHH M-MORTY WE NEED TO RESPECT PEOPLES PRONOUNS MORTY O-OH JEEZ RICK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THIS N-NEW MAP IS WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE FOR OUR LATEST NONBINARY DISABLED OPERATOR RICK OH MAN

>>719163226 (OP)
>the most babymode gunplay ever made
>high ski ceiling

>>719163226 (OP)
Because shooting at 3 exposed pixels of an enemy also looking for your 3 exposed pixels isn't fun.

>>719177403
It's always entertaining to watch controller gameplay when they don't have aimhacks.

Last time I played this game (Oct 2018) it was purely played by sweats who had every angle of every map memorized. If that's changed maybe I'll try it again

>>719163226 (OP)
>Highest skill ceiling of any FPS
You sure you put up the right pic?

>>719177906
D R O N E

>>719178115
Yes UT is more or less a solved game.

>>719163226 (OP)
>Jump into game as a brand new player
>get instantly headshot from spawn through a peephole the size of your mom's dignity.

Gee op no idea why people wouldn't want to be punching bags for metasweats

>>719179339
>get instantly headshot from spawn through a peephole the size of your mom's dignity.
you'll be glad to know defenders are losing their ACOGs in a few days