Thread 719163445

>Play war game taking place during the renaissance, early modern & Napoleonic era
>Life as a soldier is portrayed as adventurous, honorable and full of glory & action

Was living as a soldier during the renaissance & Napoleonic era really this badass & exciting irl?

It was also filled with shit, piss, diarrhea, tuberculosis, plagues, infections, malnutrition and high infant mortality. But if you can make it past all these things. Yeah, fun times to be a man.

>>719163445 (OP)
name 1 game

>>719163445 (OP)
Only for high class oficers, everyone else was sent to the grinder like ussual.

I want a sandbox boat game set in 1600s where you play as some random schmuck which can go from a poop deck scrubber to a captain of a fleet

Shame that it's a niche desire so the best I have is either excel spreadsheets or low quility mount and blade mods or some crap made by tryhard HaRdCoRe GaMeR morons which rapes the engine of a 25yo game from my childhood

>>719164597
What, weren't officers part of battles?

>Tfw no Sharpe vidya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Odqg6_k5E8

>>719163445 (OP)
Townsend has made decades of videos stating and it was absolutely shit unless you were an officer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKNGPMefJ_A&list=PL4e4wpjna1vxiYXYPu8GQN89ehaw2SDvU

>>719163445 (OP)
yes

In those days it was probably the most exciting thing you could have done. Unless you were rich or something, being a sailors or a soldier were pretty much the only way you'd get to see the outside of the are you lived in

>>719163445 (OP)
>>719163715
>>719167621
>>719169884
>slowly walks towards you without taking any cover
Did white people really?

>>719170630
You're god damn right

Some dude spent over 75 years as a low rank foot soldier in that era.
Seven decades of marching across the continent , eating shitty meals and fighting in line battles.
Survived getting shot to the chest and taking sword slashes to the head.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Thurel

>>719171112
Why did he never get promoted?

>>719170630
>everyone that DIDNT do this got btfo btw

>>719172125
Wasn't a noble so didn't get promoted automatically through nepotism.
Wasn't super skilled or ambitious either, so didn't get promoted on the field either.

>>719172125
Plebs weren't allowed to be officers back in the day.

>>719163445 (OP)
No of course not. You don't think being a soldier is really like your CODs or a Michael Bay movie, do you?

>>719172125
repeatedly refused promotion

>>719171112
his dad wasnt the duke of shittenfuaken or something

>>719170630
That shit wasn't invented yet.

>>719170630
Why didn't they run or have phalanx shields at least

>>719170630
And they conquered world.

Being a commoner back then was equivalent to being a jeet today. Living in squalor, eating slop, pouring buckets of shit out of your window into the street while thinking it's normal. You should be very glad you were born post-Victorian era at the latest.

>>719163445 (OP)
Maybe during times where military success could set you up for life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwM0gP1p0xw

What are some good piracy management games?
I already played Corsairs numerous times, and I played Cutthroats but it filtered me

>>719163445 (OP)
No, no, no. That applies to almost everything. Media, novels, stories, films, games, music etc always bring out the ideal and romantic bits and ignore everything else. Can you imagine marching as part of Napoleon's army from Austria to Moscow? almost 200,000 of his troops were casualties to some thing before they even penetrated the Russian border. A lot of men starved and straggled on marches, battles was the least of their worries.

>>719172125
Only high society had military commands back then. French revolution changed that.

If only there was a way to live that life now.

Were the Napoleonic wars peak warfare?
>firearms are widespread but they're not the end all for small arms yet so you have people running around with sabers and pikes in some cases
>kino cavalry charges
>artillery is advanced enough to be its own army branch
>wooden sailboats with canons
>the most extravagant uniforms all around

>>719172125
NCOs and equivalent mid-tier ranks emerge as armies professionalize by having formal permanent soldiers rather than disbanding your regiments or conscripting a bunch of peasants and starting from scratch every time after conflicts are done.

At least in France, that professionalization mostly happened during his lifetime in France under Louis XIV. All that shit was new, some people were going to slip through the cracks.

Also, a guy repeatedly refusing all promotions wasn't seen as a red flag back then - occasionally it means "they're happy as they are", typically it means "they're a flunk-out-fuck-up who does not want additional attention". Older militaries were more tolerant of these types because they needed meat for the meat grinder (you get shot or stabbed, there's no pennicilin, you're probably dying of infection shortly thereafter) and the lesson "up or out is important" was not institutionally well-known yet.

>>719170630
>Quickly runs towards you without taking any cover
Was it much better?

>>719164608
What is retro games.

>>719171112
>Three of his brothers were killed in the Battle of Fontenoy in 1745. One of Thurel's sons was a corporal and a veteran in the same company; he died at the Battle of the Saintes, a naval battle that occurred on 12 April 1782 off the coast of Dominica, West Indies during the American Revolutionary War.

grim...

>>719174391
Nah, peak warfare was pike and shot, where melee infantry still existed

>>719170630
what happens after you sprint anon?

>>719164608
Sid Meier's Pirates, zoomer

>>719171112
frog soldiers were built different back then. There was also the guy who could dislocate his entire jaw and swallow small dogs and babies and shit.

>>719172783
>Why didn't they run
the line would've been broken up and then they would've been cut down by cav.
>or have phalanx shields at least
artillery doesn't care about shields, and you have to carry all your gear, a shield that can protect against muskets would be super heavy

>>719171112
Holy shit I think I finally found him, I remember reading about a French guy who had a long military career and purposefully refused promotions. I remember the article being longer but this really does sound like him.
Sounds like a cool guy.

>>719164527
Holdfast

>>719176527
I'd push it back slightly before then. Guns existed and were useful. But they were still too primitive to dominate the battlefield. And armor was at its peak of effectiveness (and coolness). Armies had become mostly professional soldiers, so not a lot of conscripted peasants who didn't want to be there. But there was still a warrior caste to make things less sterile and disciplined.

>>719180342
a man of culture

>>719171112
>24/7 2fort players be like

>>719174496
doesn't up or out result in peter principle?

>>719172732
Concept of taking cover wasn't invented yet?

>>719181137
It does, but fortunately 'out' is a good method of solving that.

prior to 'out', you get competence at all n-1 phases of the pipeline they were passing through, meaning most people, especially in their early stages (aka the most important stage because meat grinder) are interacting with people still on their up, and not yet on their out

>>719164527
mount & blade

>>719163445 (OP)
no, it was even more boring that modern warfare.
Literally nothing to do and then you die from camp sickness. That's like 80% of every soldier ever

>>719171112
based

>>719170630
Why didn't they just zig zag?

>>719171112
Didn't people live to be like 40 before dying of old age during that time?

>>719171112
Today he'd be the guy putting in 30 000 hours into his favorite milsim videogame.

>>719172125
he refused all promotions offers that were made to him

>>719171112
>Died in 1807 at the height of Napoleon
based

>>719187503
No, people generally died of old age in their 50s and 60s, but a few exceptions would make it into their 90s and even the early 100s. The Dodge of Venice Enrico Dandolo died at the age of 98 in the year 1205, so it happened but it was quite rare.

>>719170630
>>719171112
>>719174391
>>719176527
>>719180342

>>719172125
He didn't want to lead, he just wanted to kill people

>>719177928
>rising from a deck scrubber to a captain in a cutscene
Doesn't count, it needs to be an actual game where you start in some port town/slavery/some other start and get hired by a merchant/pirate/merchant that plants to be pirate and then you do mundane tasks like scrubbing the deck of managing the ropes and you can suck up to the captain for better salary/rise in rank or befriend the disgruntled ship crew and plot a mutiny and the captain's AI (depending on his personality) can choose to attack/get attacked by other ships in the sea and the captain can die in process and your friend or even yourself can become captain and you turn to piracy and also your ship will stop at ports where you can spend your salary on whores and booze and if you join a military ship you can take part in massive fleet battles or port raids and of course there's also all the captain stuff that's in SMP or Sea Dog like searching treasures or romancing governor's daughters and there's also scurvy meter and and and

>>719163445 (OP)
God no, it fucking SUCKED. Imagine a time before canned food, just having to eat and feed troops was a challenge. Imagine a time before sanitation and field medicine, hope you don't get stabbed or shot.

>>719164597
Officers went in just as often as the troops. Napoleon in his early career lead several charges from the front, gaining the admiration and the trust of the men in his charge. Same for many of the lower to middle rank officers who were at the front issuing orders or commanding battle lines. Being an officer didn't absolve you of combat duty, it just meant you had more responsibilities on top of people still trying to kill you.

>tfw no thirty years war vidya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU1jgB004GI
imagine the kino

>>719190437
Did niggas actually ride around on horses with guns?

>>719189886
Three rounds under a minute? That's Soldiering.

>>719171112
Gotta respect the grind, he lived to be 100+ lmao that's incredible

>>719190814
Maybe he just liked the food

>>719174391
Nah it was WWI. There has never been a more transformative war from how military forces fought at the beginning of it compared to how they fought at the end.

>>719191040
>war so traumatizing you create PTSD

>>719192086
Trust me, WWI did not invent PTSD

>>719170630
This was classic warfare stupidity, not even have the sense to use shields like the romans did. Not as insane as modern warfare somehow but I'm not gonna go into that.

>>719163715
All of that happens to civilians

>>719170630
why didn't they just respac to a ranged class?

>>719187503
Average life expectancy was brought way down by high infant mortality

Is Mount and Blade Blood and Gold a good end of summer swashbuckling experience? If not, what are some other high seas golden age of piracy type games besides ass creed black fag?

>>719163445 (OP)
>never fought a navy as sophisticated as them
>french navy were basically cavemen in nice boats
hardly impressive

>>719183636
>renaissance, early modern or napoleonic
M&B is late medieval at most, unless youre talking about mods

>>719192590
Sea Dogs

>>719192709
cheers

>>719171112
>When his regiment was ordered to march to the coast to embark on ships of the French Navy, he was given the opportunity to travel in a carriage due to his advanced age. The 88-year-old Thurel refused the offer and marched the entire distance on foot, stating that he had never before traveled by carriage and had no intention of doing so at that time.

based boomer not trusting bourgeois technology

>>719192590
Caribbean Legend

>>719193815
He was built different

>>719187503
The real test was surviving childhood. If you made it through that, living to 60 was a very real possibility for everyone.

>>719171112
How did he stay so healthy? Is there any historical source for workout regiments or something? He must have stayed pretty fit throughout his years.

>>719170630
If you flinch the other side gets 2 shots off

>>719196063
I was thinking the same thing. Military food isn't even the best and he clearly lived all his life under their care.

>>719187503
no

>>719163445 (OP)
>Was living as a soldier during the renaissance & Napoleonic era really this badass & exciting irl?


Yes

>>719194543
Why isn't this game more popular? I played it a year ago and the ship fights were amazing. I checked it again now and they keep updating and adding stuff.
Time to reinstall.

>>719171112
>died at 108
>managed to survive under the reign of the last french king and Napoleon
Absolute madlad

>>719163445 (OP)
Medical practices were fucking horrid and germ theory had yet to hit its stride. The death of President James Garfield was a fucking nightmare, and that was the goddamn president in the 1880s. Imagine being a foot soldier 60 years earlier.

>>719198405
The best way of surviving the firing squad is making sure you're in it.

>>719196063
>portrait was taken when he was 89 years old
Art style aside he looks good for that age. Dude was operating on a whole other level.

>>719198449
Was it around the crimean war that they started to take attrition and medical practices in the field seriously?

>>719198564
Yeah seriously, he looks like a 60 year old. It was a year after he marched to the coast after refusing a carriage, so he had to have still been physically fit.

>>719163445 (OP)
Only for officers and even then not really. There was a reason they call it being “pressed into service.”

>>719163445 (OP)
>Men must be governed!
Was he right /v/?
Who was in the wrong here?

>>719199403
>the dude from a Knights Tale the gambling addict that loses his clothes
Wew

>>719199403
I mean regardless of the philosophical debate, Aubrey had a job to do and if he wanted to accomplish his objective then yeah he’ll come down hard on the men. They’re not going to start a societal experiment out there, they are out there to kill people. He’s managing a bunch of assholes on the ocean, if he comes down too hard, they’ll let him know by keelhauling the motherfucker.

>>719199114
good gig for officers. probably never had to get into any battles then you eventually got a desk job with good salary. and if you did fight you'd get nice cash bonuses for doing well as well as some crazy hero worship

sucked for everyone else though other than whatever personal pride they got out of it

>>719163445 (OP)
Yes. It wasnt a great life but it was far more exciting than what you would be doing otherwise and everyone would gather around and ask you to tell stories about your adventures. It was considered prestigious to be a military man back then.

>>719199759
>forces go NATO on land
>court marshal followed by firing squad
>do the same thing on a ship
>captain and first mate are sleeping with the fishes while the crew decides what to do next

>>719200036
Id say it wasnt really much worse than working in a coal mine or being a beggar. probably safer overall than being in the army and getting tropical diseases or killed in your barracks by rampaging natives

>>719170630
Imagine all the fucking 130+IQers that got lost in this stupid way because european leaders had to be jewish

>>719193193
And after that try out Sea Dogs 2, when finished with that, do it with the New Horizons mod. My favorite age of sail experience.

>>719200410
I think malnutrition and lack of schools fucked over the general IQ pool before war did

>>719196063
>lifetime of marching
>no microplastics in the brain
>ate actual food instead of goyslop

>>719200036
>Prestigious
Only if you were an officer.

>>719200576
>risking your well being with military food before preservation or refrigeration

The people who joined the military in this time were generally criminals, poors, and social outcasts. Think of the worst white trash wiggers you know in your life. Those are the people who would join napoleon or wellingtons army. Adventurous? Sure but also not as glamorous as modern media portrays it to be.

>>719200538
No, that's incorrect. There's factual evidence of very well educated men practicing sciences, which were called "natural philosophy" back then. Men like Vauban too, that would be considered geniuses even today. The IQ distribution was as real back then as it is today.

>>719200410
That’s par for the course, there are an untold number of incredibly smart people in places that won’t or can’t nurture their intelligence, and whatever potential they have is destroyed by war, disease, and malnutrition. Happens all over the world to this day.

>>719200410
Education wasn't even that prevalent, WW1 was worse because they actually pulled college students out of the universities

>>719172783
Shields do nothing against muskets and just slow down reloading.

>>719200728
???????? whats your point? in general people were malnourished and uneducated. you can use as many anecdotal cases as you want but that won't change the historic facts. and the few smart wankers were usually staff officers, far away from any action

>>719200990
Being malnourished and uneducated doesn't mean that your IQ plummets or intelligence, disappears. People of higher intelligence find ways of adapting to their situation, that's the defining trait of intelligence.
>the few smart wankers were usually staff officers
No, they weren't, the staff officers being recognized for merit and intelligence was a rarity, it wasn't until the British actually began that practice that they became a superpower.

>>719190537
watch a fucking western for jah's sake

>>719201140
>Being malnourished and uneducated doesn't mean that your IQ plummets or intelligence, disappears
Uneducated not really but malnourished? Especially dealing with childhood malnourishment? Incredibly deleterious to adult intelligence.

>>719201218
A kid won't turn into a downie from undereating. Most suffered from avitaminosis in those times, their societies still ran and they still advanced scientifically and constructed marvels of engineering.

>>719201364
From a study in 2015:
>The previously malnourished group showed substantial deficits on all outcomes relative to healthy controls (p<0.0001). IQ scores in the Intellectual Disability range (< 70) were 9 times more prevalent in the previously malnourished group (OR=9.18; 95% CI=3.50-24.13). Group differences in IQ of approximately one standard deviation were stable from adolescence through mid-life.
>Moderate to severe malnutrition during infancy is associated with a significantly elevated incidence of impaired IQ in adulthood, even when physical growth is completely rehabilitated. An episode of malnutrition during the first year of life carries risk for significant lifelong functional morbidity.
You should note though that the middle class which really began to flourish over the last few hundred years brought down the prevalence of infant and childhood malnutrition by a significant margin.

>>719163715
>>719163445 (OP)
>Poo poo pee pee DEATH
It was significantly less bad during the Renaissance than all of the other times to live before it though.
>Life as a soldier portrayed as glorious
Well, uhhh, if you were cavalry maybe. Read War and Peace. Depends on if you were winning or not, a great amount of being a soldier is just riding your horse into entrenched cannons and watching your buddies die.

>>719201569
Whom were those studies conducted on? Because if they were studying starving niggers, this isn't really applicable to European nations that we're talking about.

>>719167234
Yes, officers got killed in action just like everyone else. Artillery fire didn't discriminate

>>719201647
When you said renaissance did you mean enlightenment

>>719200701
>>>>>>>Before preservation
Nigger what? Ooga booga cavemen preserved meat by hanging it on racks to dry.

>>719201673
Do you genuinely believe European infants are somehow immune to the effects of malnutrition?

>>719201713
No (yes sort of)
I saw Napoleon and assumed he was talking about that time frame.

>>719201795
European people handle enduring hardship much better than niggers do, as evidenced by them thriving in an environment where you can't sustain your populace entirely by eating shit that's lying around and where you have to plan for harsh winters.

>>719170630
>tfw Americans defeated by them inventing the insane and hitherto unknown tactic of hiding behind rocks and trees after shooting

>>719201839
>I saw napoleon and assumed he was talking about the renaissance
Boy if you don’t shut the fuck up

>>719200269
>>719200659
Stop basing your entire perception of the time on what jewish books and media tell you. Similar to today, people would gladly feed and house soldiers for a night just for the chance to hear about their stories.

>>719202032
See now you're talking about the rennisance again too wtf

>>719200170
Can anyone who can translate vatnik tell me what this means?

>>719202063
Yeah more or less, this.
Telling stories would literally get you free room and board anywhere, it was even a paying position. That was what people spent their time doing before mass media, stories, singing, dancing, ect.

>>719201978
It makes sense when you think about how much more hilly and heavily forested colonial America was compared to flat Western Europe. Those line tactics don’t work well when the other side has endless cover. Conversely the Colonials would have gotten BTFO trying to do that Indian warfare shit in France.

>>719202194
>NATO mentioned
>defense protocol kicks in
Lole
Lmoa

>>719201945
The harsh winters theory is so thoroughly debunked it’s hilarious you still believe in it. Society wasn’t created in areas with cold winters, dipshit. Europeans are not some special people immune to malnutrition. You know which Europeans were building up the west with all that architecture and scientific discoveries? It wasn’t the fucking lower class, I can tell you that. The two biggest examples of lower class scientists were Michael Faraday and Gregor Mendel, and both of them had families that were employed and able to keep food on the table. Infant malnutrition was not a problem for them.

>>719202471
No it wasn’t you fuckin redditcuck kys

>>719202380
>Nerve status
>Touched

>>719202471
>deboonked!
Cuck

>>719202514
>>719202549
Hey where was civilization first developed you dumb cunts
Was it in Northern Europe with its harsh winters?

>>719202471
>Societies were not created in areas with cold winters
Read a book or something, particularly a history book about native american cultures.
Cold weather societies - like native americans - that had cold winters spend their winter months doing winter crafts to prepare for the summer, and telling stories. Harsh winters that force people inside are not "debunked" in any way, any native american culture book will tell you about how they had stories that would only be told during winter - it was all seasonal and they lived around the seasons, and adding in a winter season forced them to remember more and made a period of the year that could only really be dedicated to learning.

Harsh winters were partially about food, but partially about sharing knowledge and preparing to take advantage of the coming summer. Basically a quarter of the year or more where there was nothing else to do but share knowledge.

>>719202063
That's just incorrect. Soldiers were one of the most looked down upon professions, especially during the Napoleonic era. Here's even the Duke of Wellington describing his own conscripted men:
"I don’t mean to say that there is no difference in the composition or therefore the feeling of the French army and ours. The French system of conscription brings together a fair sample of all classes; ours is composed of the scum of the Earth—the mere scum of the Earth. It is only wonderful that we should be able to make so much out of them afterward. The English soldiers are fellows who have enlisted for drink—that is the plain fact—they have all enlisted for drink.”

The general perception of soldiers is that they just weren't suited for much of anything else, save for the officers. This has changed in modern times, but not completely.

>>719202625
you libs are gay as fuck. literally gay as fuck. and what gets to you right now as you read this is the gnawing fact that you are a homosexual but you still want to deny what I've just said.

>>719202768
Many hot weather societies reached a greater level of attainment and culture faster than cold weather societies. Because you know what also forces you to think ahead and store food and stay inside? DROUGHTS.

>>719202868
Come here and kiss me then dude

>>719200036
1. this feels like the whole 'simpler times' argument which got called out pretty well here.
https://youtu.be/c50qJiiB-O0?si=LXIUDpVsKUBCfsDI&t=17

2. Being a sailor was absolute shit. Most of the time you were conscripted by a press gang where if you were walking around the docks and they found they, just dragged you away and forced you to sign up. Second, people really don't realize how small these ships were, given how much they fetishize height. I went on the USS Constitution and even though I'm 5, 10 I banged my head on the deck beams 4 separate times, now imagine having to slouch over for months on end.
Also if you go into combat, you're not getting proper medical treatment, you get hit by shrapnel? That arm or leg is coming off immediately since it' easier to do that and then stick the stump in boil oil to cauterize it then try and treat it otherwise.
And was also said before, you are not moving up the ranks unless you come from a noble family, enjoy forever being a grunt.

I've got a good feeling that a vast majority of 4chan's current posters would end up like Hollom.

>>719171112
Astoundingly based, what a massive unit of a soldier.

>>719192669
he probably means mount & blade napoleonic wars dlc

>>719203052
>Second, people really don't realize how small these ships were, given how much they fetishize height. I went on the USS Constitution and even though I'm 5, 10 I banged my head on the deck beams 4 separate times, now imagine having to slouch over for months on end.
To be fair, you being 5’10” would have put you on the much taller end of the scale at the time that ship was built. Washington was 6’2” and people thought he was built like a mythical hero.

>>719202984
>Bro stay inside it's DRY outside!
Lmao, what?

>>719203282
>bro stay inside it’s HOT as FUCK outside
Wowwwww what a concept

>>719203346
They don't do this though, they go outside and sit under a tree.

>>719203247
True that, modern diets have made people huge by historical standards. But I'm more referencing to people who want to go back to serve on a navel ship as they are as opposed to being in the shoes of a sailor.

>>719203375
Wrong
>One of the most remarkable cooling techniques used by ancient civilizations was the implementation of wind catchers. This architectural feature, prevalent in regions such as Persia (modern-day Iran), Egypt, and the Middle East, involves capturing and channeling natural breezes into living spaces. Wind catchers are tower-like structures with openings at different levels. These openings direct the airflow downwards, where the ground cools and circulates through the building. By exploiting the natural wind patterns, ancient societies could maintain comfortable indoor temperatures without relying on artificial means.
>By utilizing the cooling properties of water, ingenious cooling systems were created. For example, in ancient Egypt, the residents would dampen mats or curtains with water and hang them in doorways or windows. As the air passes through these wet surfaces, it cools down significantly, relieving the heat. Similarly, the ancient Persians developed “qanats,” underground channels that brought water from distant sources to cool their homes through evaporation.

>>719203052
>this feels like the whole 'simpler times' argument which got called out pretty well here.
I didnt say it was simpler but we can not fathom how well equipped the average person was compared to our pampered lives of today and jewish textbooks and media want you to believe we live in le heckin best time ever!!!! so you dont realize 90% of people today are actually worse off than a slave 200 years ago. Being a solider gave you a purpose in life, which was better than what a lot of people had back then and even today.

>>719203864
Jesus Christ you have no fucking clue how badly a person living then would fight to live in today’s conditions

>>719203739
>Persia and egypt
>Ancient
Lmao

>>719198389
It's literally just an awful remake of Sea Dogs sold at a higher price with mods being sold as DLCs.

>>719203739
The Romans would pipe cold water through the walls of their houses like a car radiator. Pretty smart

>>719201978
>>719202354
>Hurr furr gurr America won because they invented using cover
How the fuck do you think fortresses and cities were ever captured if every single battle was fought in "line battles" you neanderthals?

You can't hold territory with skirmishers. You cannot occupy a town by hiding in the woods. You Are you brown retards really ignorant of the fact that skirmishers were a thing?
Like is this the narrative you've been gaslit into believing?

Jesus Christ, it's little wonder shitholes like India were conquered with such massive, one sided casualties when their armies were probably filled with utter retards like yourselves who thought
>MOOP BAP BUDOO WHITE PEOPLE ARE SO SILLY WITH THEIR FORMATIONS AND TACTICS

every time with these threads, I swear

>>719204059
What on earth are you even referring to as ancient if not them

>>719204052
NTA.
actually people living in those times would have a wife and 4 kids and a tight-knit social group and would literally kill you if you tried to take them to our time period.

>>719204112
>719204112
Ones that were ancient enough to influence human evolution, like everyone else is talking about when they talk about theories that force adaptation to certain climates.

>>719201978
You mean the Americans beat them by getting the French to get involved

>>719204110
My family was there you goddamn niggerfaggot. My ancestors were some of the very first white people to settle South Carolina. Kys

>>719204125
>hey buddy, in our time modern medicine meant that you didn’t have to bury 2 of your 6 kids, and your wife might not die young due to cancer that was impossible to treat
>also, those spices your country is sending thousands of soldiers overseas to plunder? We have them in bulk
I’m sure.
>NOOOOOO TAKE ME BACK

>>719204187
Are you stupid or just pretending to be

>>719204297
>OK let me point out material benefits to living in our times
>Yeah yeah don't worry about it you'll totally have kids and a wife somehow, everyone in our time does
>Yeah of course you'll have friends too that you talk to in real life, everyone in our time does

>>719204297
He would tell you that he does not believe you because you didn't present any evidence of your claims. He'd name you a charlatan and you'd be chased out of the village and or beaten. And he would be right to do so. Only idiots believe empty promises.

>>719203461
>navel ship

>>719204125
>better access to quality food
>better access to comfortable living conditions
>not having to wake up at 4AM every morning to take care of animals, the fields, and other chores

>>719204052
I highly doubt a person time traveling to our time would find any kind of fulfillment in an office job and the social isolation that is modern living. Materialists cant comprehend this, but people back then enjoyed life for more than material goods and simple pleasures.

>>719203876
Would this suffice as a substitute?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nr1AgIfajI

>>719204486
>50% divorce rate
>1.6 births per woman
>Social media replacing traditional social interactions
>But wowie I can microwave popcorn!

NGL I’d go back to the 1700s if I could. Wouldn’t be my first choice of times but I’d go. Fuck globohomo and fuck what (((America))) has degenerated into. The modern world hasn’t done a goddamn thing for me.

>>719204486
>quality food
>2025
>>not having to wake up at 4AM every morning to take care of animals, the fields, and other chores
Instead you're waking up at 6am to make Mr Goldshekelstein more money!

>>719204517
It’s a good thing there are more jobs in the modern day than sitting in an office and wanting to die like you’re in fucking Fight Club.

>>719204629
They had popcorn back then. You wouldn’t even be giving that up.

>>719202471
No, but evidently Europeans and Asians have this concept of being able to track time in a forward and linear matter. Many African languages barely have a concept for future tense, never mind concepts that require thinking ahead at all. Things are either happening, or have happened, but never will happen. A peoples language can dictate much about their thought processes, and many bantu speaking tribals just don't plan for the future because in their language there is no such THING as the future.

>>719204640
You’d beg to go back within six months.

>>719204712
>jobs
You are a slave and every single person 100+ years ago was better off than you are.

>>719204712
And you are never going to get one of those jobs because you live in a neo-feudalism where all good labor positions are passed down to family members. But now you also don't get any of the benefits of feudalism, like being able to negotiate rent and tax with your lord.

>>719204798
>serfdom exists

>>719204804
>feudalism
>negotiate rent and tax with your lord
They didn't negotiate they just tried to skimp out on what they had to pay

>>719204792
I doubt it honestly. I grew up on a farm. I’d be ok

>>719204798
You don’t have a goddamn clue what slavery is, and you never will. You know why? Because of the time you fucking live in.

>>719204954
You should read some history books perhaps before making stupid statements like that.

>>719204939
And serfdom gave you free rent, free food, and a salary. Can you say the same for yourself, wagie? If you arent working for yourself, you are worse off than a serf.

>>719202380
He has a point. The only people who care about nato are russians and serbs. Nobody else even remembers it exists

>>719205078
I can pay for my rent, food, have complete freedom of movement, a car, savings, etc.
You're delusional.

I wanted to ask about
https://store.steampowered.com/app/311310/Naval_Action/
But it seems it is being raped by players. At least it is free

>>719205167
Keep telling yourself that. Mr. Silversteinburg loves that you're defending his system so feverishly!

>>719203876
tell me which it's in and I'll share

>>719205323
Even in your fucking worldview, the people living 200 years ago were still working for Jews, dipshit.

>>719189886
15 second reload is above average, which varies but I think the British standard during Revolution/Napoleonic times was 20 seconds, quality stuff

>>719203876
>>719205356
meant to attach this pic

>>719205394
Excuse me, but I shant further a discussion with a wagie that relies on jewish systems to make his living in this world. Good day, peasant.

>>719205962
Sorry, I thought being a peasant was a good gig in your view.

>>719205432
>>719203876
Specifically this one. But if you got the castle one too, many thanks

>>719206473
Damn, I think I remember this and the castle one. I wish I could find a ton of the old books I remember picking up in my elementary school library. There were at least a few on almost every era you could think of, bronze age, iron age, Roman, medieval, so on.

>>719163445 (OP)
no, you sat at the bottom of the boat most of the travel

>>719206591
There was also the human body cross section book. I think it and the Medieval one and the Man O’ War are sitting at my parents house somewhere.

>>719205012
"Experience demonstrates that there may be a wages of slavery only a little less galling and crushing in its effects than chattel slavery, and that this slavery of wages must go down with the other." --Frederick Douglass (an escaped chattel slave).

>>719187503
life expectancy is a little screwed because of infant mortality and dying from cuts being a death sentence

>>719206473
took a sec more to find decent quality ones but here ya go
https://litter.catbox.moe/fh8uirndbu77mlwn.pdf manowar
https://litter.catbox.moe/cysvpt0fm8fs5ox6.pdf castle

>>719207530
In a rare event for modern 4chan, Anonymous delivered and is awesome.
I, and my very distant childhood thank you for this.

>>719207157
>>719205012
>>719204798
>Wage slavery could be as bad as actual slavery
Crazy how people vote for wage slavery because they're so obsessed with the culture war that the very people who keep them in wage slavery incite. If only we had candidates who wanted to tax the rich and protect the working class and people voted for them instead of falling for the 'mum anything that doesn't help the rich is communism' meme.

Things are shitty now, but they're still a lot better than before. You sure as hell wouldn't have time to shitpost on this site. Or even the freedom to state your opinion if it was unpopular.

>>719207530
where'd you get them? some content dump somewhere?

>>719205308
>mostly negative

>>719207530
>to go school
>read the castle one during recess
>go home
>play aoe2
MEMORIES IN THE CORNER OF MY MIND

>>719167421
God save Ireland

>>719208480
taxing the rich doesn't work unless its at gunpoint and the real problem are megacorps, who can just move to another fucking country

unions worked until they were commandeered by the rich and the left, and now you've got fucking STARBUCKS employees trying to unionize. they're fucking jokes now

the real enemy are these shadow holding corporations like blackrock and private equity firms who do nothing but inflate bubbles to create more bubbles so number goes brrrrrrrrr.

>>719211509
>taxing the rich doesn't work unless its at gunpoint and the real problem are megacorps, who can just move to another fucking country
So do both of those and find a way to stop unions from being corrupt or whining that Starbucks employees shouldn't be treated like shit either.
>shadow holding corporations like blackrock and private equity firms
So wall street and vulture capitalists. Nothing a little proper regulation and taxing every stock trade wouldn't kneecap.

We live in a 1984 scenario where the Ministry of Truth would tell people that the past was run by evil capitalists and that the current way to live is way better except in this reality it's jews telling you were living in the best time ever while keeping you in debt slavery and making movies portraying life 100+ years ago look as shitty as possible and that monarchy was evil. If you can't see through this you are the goy cattle the jews see you as.

>>719192335
Shield were of no use and were phased out by late Pike and Shot but even then pikes were still being used until late 18th century

I need a Total War game that spans an entire millennium.

>>719212860
The best memories I have of Total War Napoopan is of defending settlements with weak garrisons against full armies. The victories I pulled out of my ass were crazy.
I should return to either Napoopan or Empire. They were both decent at the time, but I think I'd appreciate them more now.

>>719208876
its fine , no porn dolphins .
Its Stephen Biesty's Cross-Sections Castle and
Stephen Biesty's Cross-Sections: Man-Of-War

>>719212860
600-1600 would be good. The rise of medieval warfare all through its peak and eventual decline in the face of gun powder.

>>719163445 (OP)
no retard that why it's called romantisism.

>>719164608
that sound like trash really, like
>grind to be captain
>now the actual game starts.

it's much better to start with a dingy and trade and combat your way up to a real ship in an mmo game versus other players who choose to be pirate or not.

>>719215623
hello sAAAAr from ubisoft

Fuck you

>>719215759
no i am more line of chinks shit voyage century but remade made better.

like u start at the bottom and then what ? you become a captain, the loop to captain feels like sim slop loop.

>>719163715
You can't trick me into taking the vaccine, jew

>>719215894
I just want basic gameplay to be deeper than "control the ship like a car in GTA" approach of sea dogs or "B747, but with sails" that some simulator games have. Ironically sea of thieves is the closest to what I want, but it's not realistic enough with graphics and it's friendslop (I have no friends)

>>719215509
I feel like that'll just be Med 3 but the fall of Rome to the Scramble to Africa would be the ultimate Total War experience. (476 AD - 1898 AD)

>>719170630
>spread out into cover
>get raped by horses

>>719164527
Warband