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Anonymous No.719169347 >>719169541 >>719171149 >>719171423 >>719171438 >>719171553 >>719171661 >>719173929 >>719174082 >>719175127 >>719175386 >>719178541 >>719178767 >>719179128 >>719179197 >>719179820 >>719180357 >>719181175 >>719181705 >>719182092 >>719182835 >>719183272 >>719184371 >>719185718 >>719186732 >>719186790 >>719190118 >>719193073 >>719193870 >>719197128 >>719198323 >>719199989 >>719200325
I don't get it. It's good but it's nothing special
Anonymous No.719169541 >>719171205 >>719188157
>>719169347 (OP)

you will never understand
Anonymous No.719171149 >>719178296 >>719182564 >>719183656 >>719193309
>>719169347 (OP)
Everyone agrees it's good. Everyone thinks it would be nice to play another one. Some people see a large crowd with consistent opinions and spiral into frenzied hype.
Anonymous No.719171205 >>719183845
>>719169541
>tattoos his masturbating hand with a guy
Gay.
Anonymous No.719171320 >>719171440 >>719173065 >>719192603 >>719197953 >>719199532
Whether you think it's just an okay game or a masterpiece really comes down to how well you vibe with the atmosphere. For me it's melancholy kino.
Anonymous No.719171423
>>719169347 (OP)
You seem to undervalue how starved people are for a good game.
Anonymous No.719171438
>>719169347 (OP)
Only people that claim it's some unrivalled masterpiece are retarded contrarian shitposters when strawmanning what fans of the game say about it.
Anonymous No.719171440 >>719192603
>>719171320
This
More SOVL in the soundtrack alone than in most games' entirety
Anonymous No.719171553
>>719169347 (OP)
the amount of truly special games anyone will play in their lifetime is probably very small. being just "good" is enough
Anonymous No.719171661
>>719169347 (OP)
Why isnt something being good enough for you people? Its a solid game and came out at the perfect time. Thats really it
Anonymous No.719173065
>>719171320
I love the atmosphere and aesthetics and music, but it's just too hard for me.
Anonymous No.719173440 >>719173672 >>719182368
Filtered. God, I love it. Bandwagoning little fucks are trying out Hollow Knight en masse before September 4th so they can be cool enough and "in-the-know" to join Silksong discussions, yet they're just too casual to appreciate it.

You are all pathetic, and I look down on you all.
Anonymous No.719173672 >>719177719
>>719173440
>yet they're just too casual to appreciate it.
The game is easy as fuck. It's a fucking Switch game. Kiddies beat Hollow Knight
Anonymous No.719173929
>>719169347 (OP)
>It's nothing special
Post 10 good games from the last decade
Good games are special nowadays
Anonymous No.719174082 >>719175494 >>719182761
>>719169347 (OP)
Word of mouth mostly.
People compared the weighty combat to Dark Souls which made it immensely popular.
As a result, many normies who never touched a metroidvania in their lives think it's the coming of jesus because the usual metroidvania mechanics are all new to them
Anonymous No.719175127 >>719175254
>>719169347 (OP)
It had less competition in 2017.
Anonymous No.719175254 >>719175602 >>719188087
>>719175127
Except the thousands of other metroidvanias released so far
And if you mean indie metroidvanias La-Mulana is leagues better
Anonymous No.719175386
>>719169347 (OP)
Yeah, it's the Dark Souls of Metroidvanias.
Anonymous No.719175494
>>719174082
It's funny how the success to HK never translated to any other game of the genre.
Then these fans claim this is the greatest game ever, as well as wanting to rename the genre to hollowvania, yet most of these clowns never even played another metroidvania.
Not saying the game is bad, but come on, it's not even the best metroidvania there is.

My theory is that waiting 8 years for this game turned them so defensively, their head is clutched in their ass.
Anonymous No.719175602
>>719175254
I can enjoy games that are worse than other games. I had already played La-Mulana before Hollow Knight. One is slow and puzzle focused and one is fast and combat focused.
Anonymous No.719177719 >>719177953 >>719182191 >>719186076 >>719189589
>>719173672
>Kiddies beat Hollow Knight
Not even adults beat it.
Anonymous No.719177953 >>719178097 >>719182161 >>719195359
>>719177719
whaaat
I'm not the hollow knight?
Anonymous No.719178097
>>719177953
The real hollow knight was the friends we made along the way.
Anonymous No.719178215
Oh look, it's this thread again
Anonymous No.719178296 >>719178348 >>719190072 >>719201438
>>719171149
It's not about being a contrarian, it's about a fanbase that WILL NOT ALLOW any criticism of the game. Like FromSoft fans. Hopefully the devs didn't listen to their sycophants too much, otherwise they might end up in the situation FromSoft is currently in (which is producing slop for their most vocal 'influencers' while ignoring their own authenticity).
Anonymous No.719178348 >>719178721 >>719189416
>>719178296
>it's about a fanbase that WILL NOT ALLOW any criticism of the game.
You not liking the game is not "criticism", you fucking retard.
Anonymous No.719178454 >>719178689
I don't get the appeal of platformers, full stop. One of the most boring genres out there, with only fighting games and sports games being worse.
Anonymous No.719178541
>>719169347 (OP)
Starts a bit slow
Gets awesome
Anonymous No.719178689
>>719178454
what genres do you like?
Anonymous No.719178721 >>719178784 >>719178918 >>719179172 >>719180178 >>719190072 >>719190120 >>719194881 >>719195876
>>719178348
The game is mid. Bad pacing, bad power-up system, too few, insubstantial abilities, lasts way too long, story is vagueposting nonsense about some uninspired fallen kingdom, literal Meat Boy levels.
>n-no you, retard!
Yeah, I thought so. Keep guzzling that Team Cherry cock, anon.
Anonymous No.719178767
>>719169347 (OP)
Babies first metroidvania
Anonymous No.719178784 >>719179089
>>719178721
For someone who dislikes the game, you sure spent a lot of time talking about it.
Anonymous No.719178918
>>719178721
Name a charm that you used.
Anonymous No.719179089 >>719179228 >>719190072
>>719178784
That's what criticism is, you mongoloid. Why are HK fans so fucking stupid?
Anonymous No.719179128
>>719169347 (OP)
So which ending is canon?
Anonymous No.719179172 >>719179275
>>719178721
>umm it's just bad, it took me too long, I'm too stupid to play it
Funny how you had your chance and still couldn't offer a single piece of valid criticism lmao
Anonymous No.719179197 >>719179271 >>719179364 >>719179453
>>719169347 (OP)
>12th Hollow Knight Derangement thread this week.
Is it a lone schizo, or a seething indie dev competitor?
Anonymous No.719179228 >>719179275
>>719179089
>That's what criticism is
No, criticism is an analysis of the faults and merits of something.
Screaming "THIS IS BAD" isn't criticism, it's you forcing your unwanted opinion upon everyone else.
Anonymous No.719179271
>>719179197
It's very effective ragebait, that's what it is.
Anonymous No.719179275 >>719179573
>>719179172
I hope you realize you're just proving me right. You're representing that fanbase that doesn't allow criticism.

>>719179228
But I didn't, did I? You haven't refuted any of my points. Therefore, I accept your concession.
Anonymous No.719179364
>>719179197
Probably a mixture of schizos, contrarians, and maybe a pissed off journo because the no review copies 100% had actual journos in the threads trying to defend journos
Anonymous No.719179378
>it's nothing special
is the cope people that don't like a popular game reach for after failing to argue that it's bad on every possible terms
Anonymous No.719179453 >>719179646
>>719179197
>Hollow Knight Derangement
I'm using that from now on, for other games too.
Anonymous No.719179456 >>719179551
it's super metroid for zoomers
Anonymous No.719179551 >>719179693
>>719179456
Super Metroid is better by every possible metric.
Anonymous No.719179573 >>719179719
>>719179275
>You haven't refuted any of my points.
You haven't brought up any points.
Once again, "THIS IS BAD" isn't a 'point', it's an opinion.
And you cannot debate opinions, as they are not factual.
Anonymous No.719179646 >>719180058 >>719190072
>>719179453
Please do! Makes it easier to filter your ilk.
Anonymous No.719179693
>>719179551
I agree, but zoomers never played it and that's why Hollow Knight (a hollow clone of it) fascinates them.
Anonymous No.719179719 >>719179809
>>719179573
>Bad pacing, bad power-up system, too few, insubstantial abilities, lasts way too long, story is vagueposting nonsense about some uninspired fallen kingdom, literal Meat Boy levels.
I accept your concession again. Not many people can lose twice. Very impressive.
Anonymous No.719179809 >>719180025
>>719179719
I see now that I have been talking to someone with a brown skin color.
I should have known better and will strive to be even more racist against your kind in the future.
Anonymous No.719179820 >>719187119 >>719190237 >>719191372
>>719169347 (OP)
Only faggots and women play this indie slop. Real men play this.
Anonymous No.719180025 >>719180061
>>719179809
>he lost three times in a row
Embarrassing, honestly.
Anonymous No.719180058 >>719180143
>>719179646
I'll make sure to typo it occasionally, just for you
Anonymous No.719180061 >>719180258
>>719180025
I wonder if low IQ and schizophrenia is linked somehow.
Anonymous No.719180143 >>719180272
>>719180058
Oh, that's no problem at all! Regex filters are very good at catching those. I already do the same with people who keep spamming "trans[subject]".
Anonymous No.719180178 >>719180258 >>719180281
>>719178721
>The game is good
>The game is mid
>Proceeds to say BAD BAD BAD BAD
If you gave me that description to any game and I trusted your opinion I would skip it. You want me to skip a good game? I thought we agreed that it is good?
Anonymous No.719180258
>>719180061
>four times

>>719180178
>he can't read
Not doing any favors for your cult, anon.
Anonymous No.719180272 >>719180367
>>719180143
>Bragging about having to create his own safe space.
I would be so embarrassed
Anonymous No.719180281
>>719180178
It's a shartyfag, anon. He's not here to discuss, he's here to bait others into giving him (you)s and derailing the thread.
They don't believe the things they say. Everything they post is crafted precisely to make other respond to it.
Anonymous No.719180357 >>719180636
>>719169347 (OP)
bad gameplay with high production value: the game.
the sequel looks better tho. the hornet seems to actually fun to control.
Anonymous No.719180367 >>719187375
>>719180272
>I would be so embarrassed
That's a sign of immaturity. You'll get over it once you get older.
Anonymous No.719180636
>>719180357
>bad gameplay with high production value: the game.
>high production value
it's made by 2 guys, what are you on about?
Anonymous No.719181175
>>719169347 (OP)
don't worry about it, it's just normalfags who haven't developed a more refined palate yet
Anonymous No.719181249 >>719181467 >>719182239 >>719182397 >>719183410 >>719185787
I've been playing it and I want to like the game, but it seems as if the game doesn't want me to like it.
There's been a few enjoyable moments like the mantis lords boss fight, but overall there's just WAY too much padding with the bloated samey world, aimless backtracking, and long runbacks from save points to boss fights.
I lol'd when I heard that that the sequel has an even bigger world as a selling point.
Anonymous No.719181467 >>719181740 >>719181862
>>719181249
Silksong is going to be Banjo Tooie'd by the autistic Hollow Knight fanbase and I'm all for it
Anonymous No.719181705
>>719169347 (OP)
play moar indie metroidvania
Anonymous No.719181740 >>719181814
>>719181467
>Banjo Tooie'd
What does that mean? That the sequel won't be as well-regarded as the original?
Anonymous No.719181814 >>719182060
>>719181740
a portion of fans will call it too big and the worst game ever in an annoying way
Anonymous No.719181862
>>719181467
dunno what that means but your scrimblo platformer hasn't been the most wishlisted game on Steam.
Anonymous No.719181912
It's no masterpiece.
Anonymous No.719182060 >>719182843
>>719181814
It can't possibly be more bloated than HK.
Anonymous No.719182092
>>719169347 (OP)
>It's good
And that's all I ever asked for
Anonymous No.719182161
>>719177953
Hollow Knight is your brother who dad loved more but who wasn't as good at the job dad have him as you
Anonymous No.719182191 >>719182416
>>719177719
that's a higher than average completion rate btw
Anonymous No.719182239 >>719182554 >>719182698
>>719181249
It sounds like you're trying too hard, genuinely. Take it slow, enjoy the atmosphere and sounds. The game is not fun if you don't immerse yourself in it. It's anti-retard.
Anonymous No.719182368
>>719173440
>game is dogshitslop
>"y-youre too casual too appreciate it"
Anonymous No.719182397 >>719182594 >>719182736
>>719181249
I had a theory that thirdies liked this game
because it's cheap and has a lot of content, it's not high quality, but art isn't super cheap and it's not 0/10 so they shill it because they got it for a buck on a sale and sunk a lot of time into it
Anonymous No.719182416 >>719182469
>>719182191
It's not. Average is like 30-40%.
Anonymous No.719182469 >>719182774
>>719182416
you are a troll, the average is like 10% if not lower
Anonymous No.719182554
>>719182239
You don't actually believe what you're typing.
Anonymous No.719182564
>>719171149
I don't.
Anonymous No.719182594
>>719182397
it's flawless as a product
Anonymous No.719182698
>>719182239
Atmosphere and sounds don't make a game more fun to play you fucking idiot.
Anonymous No.719182736
>>719182397
here is a tip for you, thirdies pirate all their games unless they're from a richfag family
.t second world, I never paid for a single game before I got a job
Anonymous No.719182761
>>719174082
>Hollow Knight
>Weighty combat
Are you actually retarded?
Anonymous No.719182774
>>719182469
Maybe for some huge open world games. The majority of single player games I've checked have a 30-40% completion rate. Expedition 33 has 39%. God of War has 46%, etc.
Anonymous No.719182835
>>719169347 (OP)
le dark souls of metroidvanias
Anonymous No.719182843 >>719183073
>>719182060
Isn't it supposed to be bigger than HK? They also have DLC planned for it.
Anonymous No.719183073 >>719183918
>>719182843
Bloat implies content without substance. At the very least, Silksong will allow faster and more fun traversal, and hopefully a lot more substantial upgrades. Hornet's string needle thing has a lot of potential, and she's more acrobatic overall.

If you have a world that's 1.5x bigger than HK, but you travel 2x as fast, it won't seem so bad.
Anonymous No.719183146 >>719183305 >>719183558 >>719190574
The slow start and gatekeeping the minimap are my only complaints about the game.

Give us the fucking minimap you aussie fucks. It can still be empty when you enter a new area, just dont have locked behind some retarded npc hiding somewhere.
Anonymous No.719183179 >>719183290
Actually good metroidvania are getting delayed because of Silksong, sad.
Anonymous No.719183272
>>719169347 (OP)
It's a forced meme pushed by actual and legit paid marketing shills and reddit tourists.
Anonymous No.719183290
>>719183179
Well I'm not sure Grime 2 is even releasing this year, anyway.
Anonymous No.719183305
>>719183146
i'm glad i'm not a low attention span retard who can't appreciate getting lost
Anonymous No.719183410 >>719183547 >>719183630 >>719183875 >>719184391
>>719181249
>There's been a few enjoyable moments like the mantis lords boss fight, but overall there's just WAY too much padding
When did this "I literally only care about bosses" trend start? It's so common in zoomers.

It's a metroidvania, getting lost and having no idea where tf to go is the main selling point. Yes, the bosses are cool too, but falling down a random hole and ending up in a strange place with no map is what made me fall in love with the game. You think you explored everything and the game is about to end, but then you reach Kingdom's End. And there are a bunch more areas after that too, it's pretty crazy.
Anonymous No.719183547
>>719183410
Nowwhere in that anon's post did he say "I literally only care about bosses." Also, he's 100% right.
Anonymous No.719183558
>>719183146
As the a massive Hollow Knight fag I have to admit that the game starts slow and keeps a lot of movement and fighting tools which may be frustrating if you're an experienced player.
It forces you to play a vary simple version of the game for a while.
It's good for easing a noob in, but not for an experienced player.

The minimap thing is fair, even if I'm fine with it myself. A matter of preference.
Anonymous No.719183630 >>719183708
>>719183410
having no map again is one of the most exciting things for me in silksong
Anonymous No.719183656
>>719171149
I got an hour in and dropped it. Just wasn't an appealing game to me at all
Anonymous No.719183708
>>719183630
That's because you have Downs Syndrome
Anonymous No.719183720
>critically acclaimed game has flaws
Ick
Anonymous No.719183845
>>719171205
With a sick tat like that, what makes you think he needs to masturbate?
Anonymous No.719183875
>>719183410
>When did this "I literally only care about bosses" trend start?
Zoomers grew up with streamers and streamers rush bosses for views, so they think that's how you're meant to play games. Everything that's not a big boss is filler for nerds.
Anonymous No.719183918 >>719184164
>>719183073
The most annoying thing to me is not being able to use the game-equivalent of the shinespark as often I'd like. Usually because either if you run into an enemy that isn't killed by it, you stop in your tracks or the level design doesn't let you use it as much.
Anonymous No.719184164
>>719183918
Since everyone is stating hot takes in this thread anyways, I have one.
Other M had the best implementation of the Shinespark and I wish more games had one like it.
Anonymous No.719184371
>>719169347 (OP)
you already posted this
Anonymous No.719184391 >>719185276 >>719186839 >>719190194 >>719190339
>>719183410
The exploring has to be FUN retard
I don't care about these areas they all look like one-note shit but the note changes depending on the area.
I don't care about the platforming it's not fun. It's either nothing at fucking all or some Meat Boy wannabe shit.
I don't care about the enemies they're not fun to engage with.
I don't care about finding secrets because more often than not I get FUCKING NOTHING out of them.
I don't WANT to explore in this game because it's not fucking fun to explore in.
Anonymous No.719185098 >>719185268 >>719185545
I have been on a massive metroidvania kick lately and after playing like 20 in the last 4 months I have to say Hollow Knight is still near the top of the list. I am not going to argue about whether or not it is the best, but it I made a tier list I would 100% put it in the S-tier. In fact if I had to pick one thing about it that would be the game's biggest flaw it would be the fan base. You ever really enjoy something, but the people who attach themselves to it turn out to be the biggest faggots imaginable and it kinda sours you on it? That's Hollow Knight and its fans. You can't discuss anything you like or dislike about the game because there will always be some turbo autist there to scold you for not liking their favorite part enough or for disliking another part.

I will give Team Cherry props, they managed to cause Aeterna Lucuis to be delayed which is great, because Aeterna Noctis controls like dogshit and I want the subhuman spics that made it to SUFFAH for creating an entire legion of retarded redditors who hyped it up as the greatest Metroidvania ever instead of the sloppy, shitshow that it actually is. What is the deal with Spainards putting out dogshit metroidvanias that people pretend are good? Between Aeternum Game Studios, The Game Kitchen, Mercury Stream, and Dolores Entertainment all make terrible fucking Metroidvanias that reddit all claims are the best examples of the genre, and are all Spanish developers.
Anonymous No.719185268
>>719185098
>enjoyed hollow knight, got all the cheevos and everything
>friends brother is "in love" with the game
>didn't even finish it
>is one of those zoomers that kept spamming silksong when memes for years
you're onto something
also the amount of girls i know that bought the game for the artstyle but stopped playing because its too hard
Anonymous No.719185276
>>719184391
>I'm not having fun, game sucks
just play something else man, you don't have to force yourself to be a part of the big hype train
Anonymous No.719185545
>>719185098
>if I had to pick one thing about it that would be the game's biggest flaw it would be the fan base. You ever really enjoy something, but the people who attach themselves to it turn out to be the biggest faggots imaginable and it kinda sours you on it? That's Hollow Knight and its fans.
This isn't exactly some hot take.
Anonymous No.719185718
>>719169347 (OP)
you don't get it bro
it was LITERALLY the first metroidvania
Anonymous No.719185787 >>719186016
>>719181249
I didn't mind the runbacks (though I dropped it before I finished it so maybe they get worse in the endgame) but otherwise that's pretty much how I felt. Fun moment-to-moment gameplay dragged down by awful map design resulting in an overall mediocre game. Kind of like Metroid Dread.
Anonymous No.719186016
>>719185787
>I didn't mind the runbacks (though I dropped it before I finished it so maybe they get worse in the endgame)
You unlock a mark and recall type spell about halfway through so runbacks no longer matter. Though yes, Traitor Lord has the worst one and he's a "post-game" boss (after the first ending).
Anonymous No.719186076 >>719188935
>>719177719
What's the completion rate for Radiance ending?
Anonymous No.719186134 >>719186517
>hollow knight for route variety and nonlinear progression, world, bosses
>environmental station alpha for nonlinear secret hunting, mystique
>ori and the blind forest for movement, dashing and bashing
there you go, the trinity peak of the genre
Anonymous No.719186517 >>719186697 >>719186983
>>719186134
>ori and the blind forest for movement, dashing and bashing
Have you played Afterimage? I am in the middle of a playthrough right now and the movement and combat is BIC. You get like six different weapon varieties that each have a handful of special moves on their skill trees that you activate with fighting game style button combos allowing you to tackle any combat in a number of different ways. It also has excellent movement skills and platforming. Shame that you don't even need to use all of that most of the time because for like the first half of the game you can just facetank most bosses and by the time you get to the end you will have so many consumables, levels, and OP gear that it trivializes the remaining bosses. Really excellent idea but fumbled in execution.
Anonymous No.719186572
The best thing you can do to enjoy HK is not reading any guides.
Anonymous No.719186638 >>719186842
Why does having to do a tiny bit of work to get an area map make people seethe so much? Team Cherry wanted to make a world you could get lost in and not just handing out a theme park map is part of that. If you don't like it, fine, but that's personal preference not an objective flaw.
Anonymous No.719186697
>>719186517
>chinese anime girl trash
No thanks I’m good
Anonymous No.719186732
>>719169347 (OP)
Try finishing it
Anonymous No.719186790
>>719169347 (OP)
It's not good. It's style over substance
Anonymous No.719186839
>>719184391
>the areas all look the same except when they dont
>the platforming isnt fun because
>the enemies arent fun because
>the secrets give you nothing (objectively false)

It must be hard for you living on a day to day basis
Anonymous No.719186842
>>719186638
The last game to do anything like it was fucking Metroid 2.
Anonymous No.719186983 >>719188278
>>719186517
>Afterimage
>you can just facetank most bosses
Basically, this game had a Wuchang moment and the devs were forced to add an easy mode and name it "normal" while the original difficulty is now called expert or hardcore or something. If you're playing it on "normal" it will be braindead easy all the way through.
Anonymous No.719187119 >>719187634
>>719179820
You and I are the only people here who like COTM.
Anonymous No.719187375
>>719180367
>People who hate Hollow Knight literally factually self-admittedly have no shame and think immaturity is a sign of enlightenment
Holy kek. Can't make this shit up.
Anonymous No.719187482
Is he still going?
Anonymous No.719187634 >>719190860
>>719187119
I liked Circle when it came out, but the years have not been kind to it. Still like it better than Harmony, but Aria is leagues ahead for that generation of Castlevanias.
Anonymous No.719188087 >>719188278 >>719191249
>>719175254
Nobody will ever give half as much of a shit about La Mulana as Hollowknight and you should feel ashamed for even trying
Anonymous No.719188126
SEX WITH MY GIRLFRIEND (male), PHANTOM, WHILST HORNET WATCHES.
Anonymous No.719188157
>>719169541
This. If you don't get the appeal its not for you
Anonymous No.719188278 >>719188756
>>719186983
Nah, I am playing expert right now and the bosses are just as easy. I just beat the Lava Horns in Ashen Canyon like an hour ago and the entire fight was basically me walking right up to his snout and spamming Anemogrim until he knocked me back then walking right back up to him to continue. I was level 49 facing a lvl 69 boss and the only thing I think was different about the fight was that I used potions instead of healing charges because it would have taken more time to wait for distance and heal than to just smash the up button.

Near as I can tell the real difference between easy and hard mode is basically that traps don't damage you which makes the meatboy style platforming sections way less obnoxious. If the chinks had just bothered to properly balance out the bosses the game would be a lot better.

>>719188087
/v/ gave a very big shit about La Mulana more than a decade before Hollow Knight even came out.
Anonymous No.719188756 >>719189560
>>719188278
>I am playing expert right now and the bosses are just as easy
There are a couple BS bosses, like that bird in the sky temple area with a tracking laser attack that one shots, and also the red haired katana girl going full Malenia on your ass.

And I guess the centaur that unlocks the i-frame dash ability can be a big wall.
Anonymous No.719188935
>>719186076
More than expected
Anonymous No.719189416 >>719189468 >>719189518
>>719178348
Really proved him right here.
Anonymous No.719189468
>>719189416
brown
Anonymous No.719189518 >>719189979
>>719189416
what's your criticism?
Anonymous No.719189560
>>719188756
>There are a couple BS bosses, like that bird in the sky temple area with a tracking laser attack that one shots
lel, first time I got to Collosus of Pyro Ifree warned me that if I challenged him he was going to oneshot me. I thought it was just a warning that I was going to face a tough boss, not that he was literally going to kill me by screaming as soon as the fight started. I couldn't even be mad since they warned me.
Anonymous No.719189589
>>719177719
Thats also only for one specific ending. If you only do the true ending you wont get that achievement
t. Didnt get that achievement until 2 days ago
Anonymous No.719189979 >>719190068
>>719189518
I believe the point of that anon was that sycophant fans do not allow any stance on the game that isn't deep throating it. Replying to that with "UR A WETARD1!!" because he might not like it gives that some validity.
I mean you didn't even get a chance to engage with me before one popped up to do the exact same thing.
Anonymous No.719190068
>>719189979
okay, what's your criticism that's not allowed?
Anonymous No.719190072
>>719178296
>>719178721
>>719179089
>>719179646
Anon, we already discussed how you're not a victim.
Anonymous No.719190118
>>719169347 (OP)
>It's good
okay so you do get it
Anonymous No.719190120 >>719202356
>>719178721
>mid
Ok

>bad pacing
Ok. Idk really what you mean since the game is a metroidvania, the pacing is dictated by how much you want to explore. You can end the game after you get the three watchers.

>bad power up system
I cant argue against this if you dont specify your issues with it.

>too few, unsubstantial abilities
Few I get, but same as above. What aspect do you believe is lacking? Give some examples.

>vagueposting nonsense about some fallen kingdom
Fair enough, you dont have to like that style of storytelling. I personally do. I dont really see an issue with a cliche story either, cliche for a reason, etc.

People are saying your criticisms narrow down to 'BAD BAD BAD BAD' because theres not much to extrapolate from your statements.
Anonymous No.719190194
>>719184391
BASED
Anonymous No.719190237 >>719190663
>>719179820
All Igavanias are trash.
Anonymous No.719190339
>>719184391
so then fuck off
Anonymous No.719190574
>>719183146
You don't get it, it's shit on purpose.
The fact that you have to stand completely still to open a map, so you even can't look at it while falling or running through an empty area, is just the cherry on top.
Anonymous No.719190663
>>719190237
Iga had zero influence on CotM, hence why it's so based.
Anonymous No.719190860 >>719191129 >>719191216
>>719187634
CotM is stylish, has the best magic system in the entire series and some of the best bosses Castlevania ever had to offer; it's also the most well-balanced new school CV game. You just have no taste.
Anonymous No.719191129 >>719191542
>>719190860
The jumping is really clunky and in a platforming heavy game that is a massive flaw. Also the double tap running is annoying, even if not a deal breaker. The card system was based and I wish we got some variation of that back in someway.
>new school CV game
Oh, you are taking the piss.
Anonymous No.719191216
>>719190860
I got filtered by the dragons. Enjoy your game I don’t like much.
Anonymous No.719191249
>>719188087
Hivemind drone
Games aren't a popularity contest you fucking redditor scum
Anonymous No.719191372 >>719191643 >>719193167
>>719179820
CoTM is terrible
Aria and Dawn are just blueprints for Portrait and Bloodstained
Anonymous No.719191542
>>719191129
>The jumping is really clunky
Skill issue.

>Also the double tap running is annoying
Very easy to get used to it, a lot of classic beat em ups had double tap running and no one complained about it.
Besides, there's a trick where you first press the opposite direction and then quickly slide your finger to the one you wanna run to and Nathan would still run - it's a bit easier than double tapping.

>Oh, you are taking the piss.
I've meant sotn clones. Although cotm, while deriving a lot from sotn, also differs too much from it to be called a dead-on sotn clone.
Anonymous No.719191632 >>719191993 >>719193167 >>719203205
should i try this? this would be my first metroidvania
Anonymous No.719191643 >>719196271
>>719191372
Shit bait.
Anonymous No.719191993
>>719191632

if you're interested in it then try it
Anonymous No.719192603 >>719193057 >>719193167
>>719171320
>>719171440
Really? All it takes is some slow piano music and some dark blue bloom filter?
Anonymous No.719193057
>>719192603
>All it takes is music, color palette, and lighting
...yes? those are crucial components of atmosphere
Anonymous No.719193073
>>719169347 (OP)
that's why it's almost mediocre, yes
Anonymous No.719193167
>>719191372
B:RotN was good and I like that there are plenty of opportunities to sequence break, but the map was small. With Metroidvanias I personally love having a massive map provided there are good movement options, it isn't a bunch of empty space, and there is a reasonable amount of clues so that you don't get exploratory fatigue causing you to end up having to take a break from the game so you don't get burnt out. Hollow Knight came dangerously close to that last point on my first playthrough as the map is so big and there is no guidance so I would reach a roadblock and end up having to wander around for hours trying to figure out where to go next.

Also B:RotN 2 got an announcement trailer a couple of months ago and Playstation has a bunch blog videos. Looks like it is going to have a two character system like Portrait, but which ever character you are not playing as at the moment will be computer controlled. Also instead of sticking to the strict 2.5D style the first one had, Iga seems to be playing with perspective a lot more.

>>719191632
Hollow Knight is a solid game. You get a lot of gameplay for a very reasonable price, and if you can vibe with Metroidvanias it is one of the best in the genre. There is a LOT of content in the game and if you play it blind you can easily sink 40 hours into your first playthrough. If you do decide to play I recommend you don't look up any maps or guides unless you get completely frustrated and just give up. The charm of Metroidvanias is discovering the world and slowly developing your skills while gradually acquiring abilities in game to allow further exploration. Granted not everybody likes Metroidvanias so your mileage may vary, but if you are going to play one Hollow Knight is one of the better ones.

>>719192603
Worked for Ender Lilies/Magnolia, Grime, The Last Faith, Ghost Song, and Chronicles of the Wolf.
Anonymous No.719193309 >>719193514
>>719171149
one thing i noticed from hype-fueled games like silksong and E33 is that people who say they want it never bring up any notable gameplay element that warrants the hype
it's like New York. you're just supposed to like it because other monkeys also say they do
Anonymous No.719193514
>>719193309
>it's like New York. you're just supposed to like it because other monkeys also say they do
People are supposed to like New York? Maybe I am just old as fuck, but I've always seen New York as a shithole and the butt of jokes for everyone living outside of it, with the notable exception of a two year window after 9/11 when we were supposed to pretend it wasn't a festering shithole.
Anonymous No.719193870 >>719194407
>>719169347 (OP)
Hollow knight's special parts are in its soundtracks coupled with the scenery and atmosphere along with the lore. The actual game itself was already analyzed and its nothing special, its only redeeming factor is that its a really big metroidvania and it has pogoing. The combat itself is EXTREMELY mediocre which is why I'm really excited for Silksong, Hornet seems to be able to do way more than the knight
Anonymous No.719194407 >>719195220
>>719193870
i wouldnt call the combat extremely mediocre as much as i would call it wasted potential, very few encounters require for you to use your full moveset. the fools challenge is especially fun
Anonymous No.719194881
>>719178721
See? NO criticism, only CONTRARIAN shitposting and slandering our GOD Team Cherry
Anonymous No.719195220
>>719194407
I found your bread and butter to just be way too boring for 90% of the game, this is why I don't like combat systems that depend too much on what you're fighting, you need to have things in place that make the player feel good even if they're beating trash mobs, HK doesn't even have a drop of that, you're always just pogoing around or braindead slashing things that can't hit you. Hornet on the other hand seems to be able to do AoE attacks, diagonal slashes, weapon enchantments and other stuff
Anonymous No.719195359
>>719177953
im sorry you got spoiled by a shitposting thread anon :c
Anonymous No.719195876 >>719196316 >>719196550
>>719178721
>too few, insubstantial abilities
Apparently you need more than dash, double jump, wall jump, projectile, downward dive to break floors, spell for striking things above you, swim through acid, charge slash and circular slash. What else would you suggest?
Anonymous No.719196271 >>719197382
>>719191643
Soma sexual
Anonymous No.719196316 >>719196550
>>719195876
ur forgetting dash slash and super dash
Anonymous No.719196550 >>719196784
>>719195876
>downward dive to break floors, swim through acid,
Nobody, not a single soul in all of existence has ever thought of the SotN snorkel as an ability.
>>719196316
Dash slash should NEVER be separate from dash. A fancier and more powerful version, sure, but the basic ability to dash attack? Fuck off.
Anonymous No.719196784 >>719197000
>>719196550
it's not the basic ability tho, ur exposing urself as someone who's never played the game.
Anonymous No.719197000 >>719197239
>>719196784
It is by virtue of a basic dash slash not existing at all.
Anonymous No.719197128
>>719169347 (OP)
It's an allegory for Communist China.
Anonymous No.719197239 >>719199859
>>719197000
dude you just press the dash button and then the attack button
Anonymous No.719197382 >>719199268
>>719196271
Nathan's hotter. Soma looks like a fag, even more so than Alucard.
Anonymous No.719197953
>>719171320
id agree if all the chars didn't sound like banjo kazooie ahh npcs. completely undercuts the tone.
good game tho. the music is goated https://youtu.be/gDJGY92Gv6k
Anonymous No.719198060
Bros...I got to Absolute Radiance...I see the light at the end of the tunnel...
Anonymous No.719198323 >>719199948
>>719169347 (OP)

some people definitely has genuine criticism of the game for whatever reason and good for them for at least trying it and finding out its not their cup of tea but i'm pretty sure alot of anons are playing out of hate for the popular thing and is going into the game expecting something that they don't even know if they want or not coupled with a pessimist pre-disposition to the game and i feel bad for them. this happened with BG3, EXP33 and will continue happening while /v/ is alive.

that said, for me HK is a straight fun metroidvania with great atmosphere, soundtrack, artstyle and captivating world. wouldn't say its a masterpiece precisely because it doesn't do anything completely out of the box and i haven't played the most acclaimed metroidvanias to state higher or lower quality, but all i can say is my experience was definitely a fun and quality one.
Anonymous No.719198452
It's fine. Movement is pretty basic and the music isn't very memorable but it gets the job done
Anonymous No.719199268 >>719200010
>>719197382
too bad Nathan's game is abysmal dogshit
Anonymous No.719199532
>>719171320
oh its for shut ins who don't travel the world
Anonymous No.719199859
>>719197239
And watch as absolutely nothing happens.
Anonymous No.719199948
>>719198323
I didn't go into the game expecting something wild. I expected
>good Metroidvania
and got
>dogshit Metroidvania
instead.
Anonymous No.719199989 >>719200229 >>719200467
>>719169347 (OP)
>hoillow thread
Should I try to beat p4 and p5 before Silksong? I got filtered last year and never went back.
Anonymous No.719200010
>>719199268
Igafag detected. How's your furniture collecting going, little one?
Anonymous No.719200229
>>719199989
Pantheon of Hallownest is not worth it at all
Anonymous No.719200325
>>719169347 (OP)
>I don't get it
>It's good
Why do retards always answer the question in the OP themselves?
Anonymous No.719200467
>>719199989
Are you the type to perfect every fight after many hours of practice? The final boss, Absolute Radiance is RNG though, so even if you're a god gamer, you might fail anyway, and that's after a 40 min long boss rush with no saves.
Anonymous No.719201161 >>719201410 >>719201715 >>719201792 >>719202285
indie game aka game we paid minimal amounts of money for to a marketing firm that specializes in shitposting so we get massive returns on investment. tale as old as time. instead I will now list actually cool and fun games in the genre including free ones
lyle in cube sector
amr2
la-mulana (the og is freeware)
axiom verge
cave story (the og is freeware)
shadow complex
castlevania II
within a deep forest/knytt (if you're actually a muh mood and aesthetics fag)
blaster master series
iji loosely qualifies
rain world
Anonymous No.719201410 >>719201715
>>719201161
oh and environment station alpha is pretty tight too. there's another funny spaceman one I can't remember the name of also which is not as expansive but still cool.
Anonymous No.719201438 >>719201630
>>719178296
>game has large fanbase
>criticism of game
>one person disagrees
>have meltdown that entire HK fanbase is unhinged
Anonymous No.719201630 >>719201980 >>719202919
>>719201438
And outside fantasy land it looks like
>game has large fanbase
>criticism of game
>unhinged HK fanbase has a meltdown
>one person engages in discussion
Anonymous No.719201715 >>719201971
>>719201161
>>719201410
Hollow Knight is pretty cool too, it's a game about exploring a kingdom of bugs that's long been in decline. Has a big open map that connects to different layers in clever ways, it's well worth a play imo
Anonymous No.719201792
>>719201161
Tack on Astalon and Biomorph
Anonymous No.719201971 >>719202046 >>719202285
>>719201715
as someone who actually plays video games, I hated it. it's fucking boring. if youve not played many games, I could see how it would be engaging. but there are so many other better and even free things, so why? ah, yes, because you've been paid $0.03 a post.
Anonymous No.719201980
>>719201630
pretty much this
Anonymous No.719202046 >>719202206
>>719201971
Oh that's funny because I've also played a lot of the games you listed and still enjoyed Hollow Knight. I think I've identified the actual problem - you might be a massive cocksucking faggot.
Anonymous No.719202206 >>719202264
>>719202046
look at how he seethes at how I won't buy silksong. and I pirated the first game to figure out it's a piece of shit! hey everyone, there's a site that mirrors gog games on free download sites by the way. gay thread.
Anonymous No.719202264
>>719202206
I'd rather you not play Silksong as you've established yourself to be a retard, so pout all you want about not playing it.
Anonymous No.719202285
>>719201161
>>719201971
Why do you schizos keep insisting HK is the product of some astroturfed shill campaign? Just accept a ton of people like it and move on. Pokemon is pure unadulterated garbage but I can accept those games are still incredibly popular.
Anonymous No.719202356 >>719202435
>>719190120
Can't help but notice the one post that actually countered his complaints is the one post the tranny ignored. What is it about hollow knight that makes non gamers seethe so much?
Anonymous No.719202435
>>719202356
All of Hollow Knight's biggest fans have never actually played it.
Anonymous No.719202436 >>719202638 >>719203551
dogpiling is wild shit lmao. so y'all have a discord you coordinate in or what?
Anonymous No.719202638 >>719202739
>>719202436
>People who have a different opinion are "dogpiling"
>People who have a different opinion are an organized hate campaign
Beggin ya ta take your meds, and I don't mean the HRT
Anonymous No.719202739
>>719202638
whatever you do do NOT look at the comments for any video that has any combination of "hollow knight" and "bad," "sucks," "boring" okay! they are totally stale from years ago people have NOT gone out of their way to crusade those videos to increase engagement!!!
Anonymous No.719202919
>>719201630
Right it's the entire fanbase instead of a few outspoken retards.
Anonymous No.719203081
I can't like hollow knight because some other people I don't know like it more than I want them to. People should only like things vaguely and never be enthusiastic about liking anything.
Anonymous No.719203205
>>719191632
Yeah its very good.
Anonymous No.719203428
yes
Anonymous No.719203551
>>719202436
why are you black?