Thread 719180457

> NOOO YOU CAN'T SELL TWO GARBAGE IRRELEVANT CLANS AS DLC REEE I AM ENTITLED TO BE THE PRETTY CLAN IN A VIDEOGAME REEE

Or how about you have sex in real life instead of playing toreador in VTMB?

What backlash?
Fromwho?
Game isnt out yet

game havent been released yet, and already we are having good content

Why would you make such a shitty bait post? Why do you inflict yourself on others like a turd in the punchbowl?

so they listened to feedback and are adjusting the game and that's bad?

zoomers have a greater attachment to random corporations than they do to actual human beings

Paradox should just get it over with and release this turd already.

I heard there are no weapons in the game and at this point I can't tell if it was a shitpost or not.
obviously I have no intentions of buying this game if I can't even be sure of such a preposterous claim.

>>719180798
>>719180664

Toreadorcels don't deserve shit.

How much xp do you get throughout the first game? Should I just focus on a couple combat feats and a couple social support?

>>719180934
there are weapons, you use them with telekinesis then discard

>>719180457 (OP)
Developers are not entitled to my purchase

>>719180934
there are no weapons in the game, there's no blocking and most doors are canned animations

>>719181531
You should focus on at least one combat style (ranged, melee, brawling or magic if you're a tremere) but if you do the side quests you should have enough xp to comfortably afford other skills too.

>>719181675
>>719181874
Wasn't that a hardsuit labs thing?

>>719180457 (OP)
>have 4 clans
>literally sell 2 clans separated because you're filthy rich and you need number go up even if it's detrimental
>what the fuck is with all this negative PR, don't they realize me making money is great?

>>719180457 (OP)
Selling 1/3rd of what seems to be the only real choice in building your character for $30 is horrendous, yes.

Are there borderline abusive sexual relationships with thralls though?

>>719182025
hopefully

>>719180457 (OP)
Must be fake news, shills told me they were legally obligated to do it.

>>719182025
If we get another Heather this would literally save the game.

>>719180457 (OP)
what engine is this running on? don't say fucking UE5

>>719182025
really? in current year? only if it's male

>>719182375
Vampire Engine, their own custom engine.

>>719180457 (OP)
Selling clans as DLC will be the least of BL2's problems.

>>719181875
K. Thanks.

>>719182418
how do you know this?

>>719182025

Why don't you sexless losers have abusive relationships in real life instead of desperately seek to have one in games?

>>719180457 (OP)
Paradrone defending getting fucked in the ass raw with no lube.
What a shock.

>>719180457 (OP)
They need to make up for all the time and money they wasted on this game somehow and this is the only way paradox knows.

>>719182625
so much projection

>>719180457 (OP)
It's called "we know the game will do poorly so we have to get the most out of it".

>>719182009
yes it was also how you used weapons in hardsuit labs version, minus the telekinesis

>>719180457 (OP)
>St. Peter’s cross lapel pins
that reminds me, is Lucifer and or Satan a thing in VTM? any lore fags here know?

>>719180861
Zoomers and millenials are the madmen generation, they got us good.

>>719183130
There are infernalists in VtM, but Lucifer is more of a Demon the Fallen thing I think, I dunno

>>719183130
He exists in the lore but he is not really relevant and it's obvious why. A lot of themes Lucifer usually brings to the table were given to Caine.

>>719180457 (OP)
Get a real job jeetnigger

>>719183394
>VTM Cain is very similar to Milton’s Lucifer
oh shit you’re right, I’m so retarded
iirc they both even have the “just say sorry and it’ll be fine” thing
huh

>>719180798
Yes. Paradox Interactive is the best publisher remaining and they deserve every cent. Paradox games are always 100% worth the money. People feigning outrage like this are just hurting their bottom line which means that I'll have a worse game because of it, and they had no plans to even buy the game to begin with.

>>719183667
Yeah, it's wild how much Caine in VtM is basically Lucifer’s emo twin. Both get offered a chance at redemption, both say "nah, I’m built different" and then spiral into brooding eternities of cosmic daddy issues. White Wolf really said “what if Bible but goth fanfic” and somehow nailed it.

>>719184057
I miss the times when they could do that

Play VTM Night Road.

>>719180457 (OP)
how about you stop sucking cocks for a second?

>>719180457 (OP)
Why should I buy a game that doesn't satisfy my requirements? Why am I obligated to pay the salary of game developers?

>>719184481
I tried but they didn't put any effort into the user interface. It reminds me of depression quest. It's probably literally just a bunch of html files bundled together, fuck that.

>>719184481

I tried it and it asked me the gender of my Gangrel's Wolf and gave me the option to make a non binary Wolf.

You should kill yourself.

>>719185208
a principled position i respect

>>719180457 (OP)
We are not playing your jewish game
You are not welcome here jew shill

>>719180457 (OP)
We are playing your aryan game
You are welcome here passionate gamer

>>719180457 (OP)
>how about muh real life
go work in real life job then, why the hell did you apply for vidya

>>719180457 (OP)
I hope Paradox actually do the right thing. Otherwise we all know that the game will get like 56 average user score at best

>>719184971
b-b-but.. t-think of the shareholders! How are the s-s-supposed to pay for their luxury cars now!?

>>719185208
It knew you were non-binary, judging by your refusal to define your gender, I'd say it succeeded.

>>719187856

Are you stupid?

>>719184971
The funny green line MUST go up and up

>>719188740
yeah, and you refused to identify by a gender.

>>719180609
>>719180457 (OP)
So the dlc is the problem and not game looking like it be vampire/action Dustborn sequel?

Amazing, perfect example of how to practice DEI eroding culture from inside out. It's simply matter of time until you turn person into a faggot, once it's started it was over.

>>719188740
Isn't that just more dehumanizing rather than a wholesome faggotry thing? Though the exclamation point makes it lean towards faggotry

>>719189701
I'm fairly sure the game will have "subtle" smash the fash writing

>>719180457 (OP)
The only reason it's being released is due to the good graces of some new publisher taking pity on them and probably using it as a tax write off. They should be paying me to even look at anything tangentially related to this game.

>>719189701
nah, desu it looks like something general audiences would like, it's not a Dustborn-like at all.
the real problem is Paradox being jewish as fuck.

I used to love hearts of iron 2 back in the day. I can’t imagine willing buying a modern parashit game with how insane their dlc bullshit is. Imagine paying $300 for one low effort map painter. It’s not like making these games is hard, they’re copy paste jeet slop that any studio could shit out. They’re just taking advantage of autistic people who don’t know any better.

>>719180457 (OP)
Who will they blame when it crashes and burns?

>>719190538
Paradox literally already went trough all stages of grief and cope during development. They already reached acceptance.

>>719180457 (OP)
>toreadore day 1 dlc
well this is either torrent or nothing

Is it true they removed all stats and skill checks?

I'd go into torpor to wait the next 7 weeks out, but my humanity is too low. With my luck I'd wake up at a time humanity can't produce electriciity to get the PCs running anymore.

When do they reveal it has Denuvo?

Please Paradox stick with the autistic map painters

>>719192626
Unless they want to reimburse all the GOG pre-orders, they're gonna have to do without that.

>>719192330
No stats/character sheet, meaning no stat check. The gut of the game should be conversations choices and their consequences. Trouble, we don't have any way to see how intricate/grnaular and far-reaching the choices you've made can be.
I don't expect Alpha Protocol levels, but if it gets high enough, we might have a decent game.

>no character sheet
>no inventory
>no guns
>paywalled clans
why does this exist?

>>719193314
Political mouthpiece like that one new Wolfenstein game

>>719182529
I saw it in a dream

>>719180457 (OP)
>Paradox
>shitting out DLCs like there's no tomorrow
STOP
THE
PRESSES

>>719193619
Yeah but this is a different audience who isn't used to it like the map painters

>>719180457 (OP)
>Folks'

>>719193845
It means they are referring to many people at the same time.

I watched the Paradox stream. So it turns out that literally from the start of the game you can just stroll into the pawn shop or the bar or most of the locations around the hub. And the vampires there are like, "Yea... so you really need to go and get permission from The Prince to be in the city. I shouldn't be talking to you." You can't enter Atrium immediately because Ysabella is setting up an exhibition.

Bet of Night is very amusing. Ads are funny.

>>719195691
Looking at it right now. Interesting.
Always bothered how those testers never seem to be experimenting with gameplay and/or level design.

>>719193314
because Paradox greenlit it 6 years ago.

>>719180798
>so they listened to feedback and are adjusting the game and that's bad?
doing the dlc in the first place was bad, shows you how scummy the industry has become

Foreshadowing Damsel already.

>>719180457 (OP)
How about you gargle a bag of dicks for the 11th time today, you tremendous boy molesting prancing la la man fruit

Reminder that they'd already "planned" DLC missions and chapters. 3 iirc, none of which were so much as written before the original version got shitcanned.


>>719200559
She was alreayd confirmed to be in the original version.

>no skimpy girls
Still not buying.

>>719195691
https://youtu.be/UKvWJc5v4Ts?si=8dKaZDdiVhKKiiab&t=4551
This chick is the Toreador trainer, I believe, and she gets super mad if you don't praise her art pieces.

>>719180457 (OP)
back in the day, they used to release complete games without piecing the game apart and charging you extra for those parts on day one.

>>719196343
>Always bothered how those testers never seem to be experimenting with gameplay and/or level design.
Appparently Paradox asked them to stick to the critical path.

>>719195691
Buy an add

>>719182418
>Vampire Engine,
It sucks

>>719200783
>>719200861
apparently Brian Mitsoda had already Ideas Guy'd they entire development process, but forgot to get actual competent devs.

>>719201045
>back in the day, they used to release complete games without piecing the game apart and charging you extra for those parts on day one.
Half-Life 2 Episode 1 is almost entirely composed of content cut from the base game.

>>719182375
It's Unreal Engine 5, but it seems fairly well optimized, much like Still Wakes the Deep.

The voice acting/voice direction/casting is absolutely exceptional.
https://youtu.be/UKvWJc5v4Ts?si=M0ApCWe9J-GiHo4O&t=5911

>>719201396
>on day one.

Nta but you need to read a book nigger

>>719201143
Even then, I'd try to sequence break, or at least experiment with gameplay on said critcal path.
Like, trying to kill the cops in that opening sequence? Sure, seems like it gives you a game over, so it's a break in the flwo of the video, but at least people geta read of what kind of systemic depths they can expect from the game (and how the Dishonored comparisons are wrong).

>>719201719
The day 1 thing feels misguided in this case because it wasn't originally day 1. The game just got delayed.

>>719202483
>but at least people geta read of what kind of systemic depths they can expect from the game (and how the Dishonored comparisons are wrong).
It seems to lean more towards Dark Messiah than Dishonored.

>>719182375
It's UE5

>>719199569
>become
Where the fuck have you been for the past 15+ years?

>>719202681
Even then, I don't think I've seen much environmental interactions.
The one thing the game might have is the whole INK/conversation depth. And if it's good enough on that front, then we have a game.
Otherwise? More of a decent show.
As a old VtM fan that has bought Redemption and Bloodlines day one (and hated the first while loving the second in spite of the mess it was), conversation depth would be enough for me. I don't know that people coming at it specifically from Bloodlines would be that forgiving though.

>>719202510
Not only that, my understanding is that the Fabien side story was supposed to the be story DLC and was reincorporated into the main game to add some padding. Which made them postpone release, which then made them release at the same time as the clan DLC that was being developed in tandem, and should have landed a few months later had things gone with original plan.
Basically, they managed to give more than originally planned to people while making it feel like they're being complete misers.
They have a gift for shooting themselves in the foot, marketing-wise.

>>719203646
>Even then, I don't think I've seen much environmental interactions.
What kind of environmental interactions were you thinking of?

>>719180457 (OP)
Nice bait faggot. Try harder next time.

>>719204000
Dark Messiah is know for kicking people into spikes; tactical uses of barrels, making people trip over ice and into their doom... the powers matter, but they do so within the frame of the level design.
I don't think I've seen any of that yet with Bloodlines 2.
Which I wouldn't hold agaisnt it, it's just a matter of having the right expectations.

>>719203962
There's no concrete proof the Fabien flashbacks were DLC, but I think it's super plausible. Maybe the flashbacks were about a different character who was also a Malkavian detective and then they sorta merged them together. Back in early 2024, the game took place in a much shorter time span. The 9 nights where you alternate between Fabien in the past and Phyre in the present each time you go to sleep is absolutely a revision made later in dev, and that content had to come from somewhere.

>>719201662
We'll see once the game goes into gear and the discipline mentors start teaching you stuff, but so far while I'm liking the hunting mini game, it somehow feel like it's the kind of stuff that could use another iteration.

>>719180457 (OP)
Honestly i prefer if they make total conversion of skyrim of VTMB

>>719201662
why won'tt these women shut up

>>719200559
Apparently Damsel appears in The Jungle, which is a homeless emcampment area in Seattle. It's not in the main hub. It's one of the side areas. You'll remember the encampment from the HSL demo.)

>>719201003
she'd be a pretty nice design if she actually had tits

>>719204409
That's a good point.

>>719206902
Because their job is to talk about the game and give insights on it. There's plenty of gameplay footage by other people who weren't involved in production.

I notice the British sounding chick is one of the callers on Bet of Night. They listen to a whole episode early in the stream. Apparently there's a bunch of episodes. Probably nine, one for each night or something.
https://youtu.be/UKvWJc5v4Ts?si=wqmTXCxaVKLcNY5Z&t=3202

>>719207285
It's an Outstar insert.

>>719201003
>>719207285
She's one of the recycled Hardsuit Labs character models, but I can't remember where I saw her. A huge number of character models were reused.

>>719180457 (OP)
They already sold pre orders. They wont do shit.

>>719209349
That they're even announcing something shows that the pre-orders are weak. A similar thing happened with The Outer Worlds 2, went from $80 to $70, the few people who paid $80 were refunded the difference.

>>719180798
This is the 8th time they're "adjusting" the game after "listening to feedback". Last time they just fucking killed the developer and got a replacement developer to take over.

>>719201340
No, it scrapes and licks.

>>719210493
This affects the presumably large numbers of preorders sold between 2019 and 2021 as well.

>>719211153
A lot of those may have already been refunded because two additional classes is not the equivalent of 2 story packs and an expansion.

I mean being realistic what are they going to do?

>>719180457 (OP)
>>719180584
>we're making a tranny vampire game
>put the tranny clans behind day one DLC
Not rocket science. The only reason Lasombra came back is because trannies hate Giovanni since it reminds them too much of their disappointed family.

There needs to be another Hunter game.

>>719203260
>>719201483
it's over

>Well, they say marriage is a fine institution, but some of us aren't ready for that kind of commitment.
https://youtu.be/UKvWJc5v4Ts?si=I1kBGULQRUILG6P9&t=3200

Hope this is good, I wanna be a vampire climbing buildings and doing speech checks.

>>719201662
game actually looks good, hype

Shills...................................

>>719213975
?
Tzimisce is the tranny clan

>>719201662
The fact you can be such a dick to everyone is amusing.

>>719183130
Lucifer is the biggest moralfag in the setting

Outstar used to praise the old version now shes loving this this version. I know shes a Paradox employee but lol.

>>719218289
Isnt that kind of accurate to bible lore? Doesnt he punish the guilty and whatnot?

We can make some connections. I think that Chinatown is entirely a The Chinese Room creation. I don't think it existed in the Hardsuit version. There was a hub called Aurora. We can make the connection to the Aurora pawn shop which is where, in the old version, the Baron operated from. I think they've kept the pawn shop, but stuck it near the biker bar. The gardens were their own hub originally, but that's in the top right corner of the map now. There was a hub called the university. I don't think it survived. Or else they just copied bits from it.

I wonder about the fact that they had so many hubs and standalone levels in the Hardsuit game in late 2019. It sorta speaks to the game being a big collection of disjointed questlines and basically each hub being a vertical slice. Heck, even Lou had her own dedicated mansion level. I guarantee that pieces of that mansion level were recycled for the upper floor of the Glacier Hotel where you meet Lou in this version.

VtMB 1
>Brujah
>Gangrel
>Malkavian - unique play through due to malk madness
>Nosferatu - unique play through due to nos ugliness breaking the masquerade
>Toreador
>Tremere
>Ventrue
VtMB 2
>Banu Haqim
>Brujah
>Tremere
>Ventrue
>Toreador - paywalled behind premium edition
>Lasombra - paywalled behind premium edition

>>719219027
Fabien takes the place of the Malkavian playthough.

>>719180457 (OP)
Good fuck paradox and their dlc scams

So when are they going to talk about this dlc shit issue?

>>719189701
It doesn't look that bad, the only problem I have with it is the ugly MC

>>719219027
>Lasombra
>Banu Haqim
these are pretty cool though, problem with the banu haqim is that you're gonna have to play as a fucking cammy muslim instead of one of the cool ones

>>719218145
You best be memeing, because they changed the downsides of lasombra to accommodate the tranny base. They don't turn into skeletons anymore.

>>719218989
Does anyone have a mirror for the Bloodlines 2 HSL footage of the warehouse chapter? I have the tower footage, but not the warehouse one.

>>719219509
pretty sure their issue was only a painful bite and not being to interact with tech/mirrors due to shadow magics

>>719219345
There's a lot of red tape, but optimistically, maybe by this weekend? The game is out in 7 weeks. They absolutely need to course correct PR because this has dominated the news cycle instead of discussion about how good the game looks.

>>719219509
That was the Cappadocians, not the Lasombra. The Lasombra curse was having no reflections at all.

>>719219509
The lasombra don't turn into skeletons, those are the capadoccians who are still in the game and turn into skeletons/zombies/corpses
I think you're mixing them up because they merged their discipline and both obtenebration and necromancy are now oblivion

>>719219736
>The Lasombra curse was having no reflections at all.
It also means they have this violent insecurity and need to assert themselves. They're the dark shadow of Ventrue.

>>719219794
Lasombra
>Dominate, Obtenebration/oblivion, Potence
Ventrue
>Dominate, Fortitude, Presence
I can sort of see it

>>719183130
yes

>>719219904
It used to be that way socially too. Ventrue were the bosses of the Camarilla. Lasombra were the bosses of the Sabbat. They're both leadership clans.

>>719195691
I get Ministry vibes from Bet. There's something off about her. She feels sly and mean in a way Deb never was.

>>719207721
she was the toreador PC in the HSL version

>>719180457 (OP)
>folks
never have I disregarded an article quicker and this is one more reason for everyone to be weary of any articles claiming the game has suddenly been fixed now that the release date is closing in.

>>719207609
I'd insert it into Outstar, if you know what I mean

>>719188740
it is objectively A wolf!

>>719220361
ok outstar, a decade ago maybe, I like the accent tho

>>719201003
so these are the people who demanded to remove the boobs from the game?

>>719219904
Their main similarity is that they both want to rule, ventrue want to lead vampire society because naturally they're the better rulers, and lasombra are tyrants who want to be above everyone else because they're better than everyone else. Lasombra believe that might makes right, and they're fucking powerful. They're even "allowed" (more like it's their moral obligation) to eat the shitters in their clan, if they're not strong, they get eaten, fuck them. They're extreme darwinists.
But truth is they're a clan of backstabby cunts where literally everyone is evil, powerful individuals with OP disciplines but they're not as unified as the ventrue for example.

>>719220240
Ah, you're quite right.

>>719220728
she looks cuter here somehow

Aside from the game itself being a shitshow, it always sounded like Hardsuit Labs was a complete trash fire full of both unhinged SJWs and creeps. The game had the misfortune to be in development in 2019 when the absolute bonkers insanity of 2020 was upon us.

>>719180457 (OP)
apparently you cant lol, since they are literally apparently walking back

>>719180457 (OP)
ive had sex and i play toreador

>the pitch and getting things rolling started sometime in 2015
that's always bad sign with the dev time is in the double digits

>>719180457 (OP)
do they realize the game won't sell yet.

>>719221545
The old version doesn't really reflect on the new version, aside from obvious budget constraints by Paradox. The team arrived with a vision of what they wanted the game to be, and they've executed that.

>>719221652
I bet they did mr. shill

>>719221652
it's just that the vision is kind meh

>>719180798
>landed perfectly on the floor mat
whats he bitching about, what an easy clean up

>>719193314
I was actually tentatively excited for a new Bloodlines game, but the moment I heard that shit I lost interest immediately. Why the fuck even make a sequel anyways if you’re just going to omit literally everything that was cool about the first one?

>>719221701
The decision to change the protagonist from a thinblood to an elder has resonated through every aspect of the project's design. This isn't the usual salvage job to clean up the game, stitch it together, get it out the door, ala Singularity or BioShock Infinite. This is a whole other kettle of fish.

>$60 for just the base game
>$90 if you want 6 clans instead of just 4
>$20 for the 1st game and you get 7 clans to pick from
>GOG is also currently selling 1 for $10

>>719221030
I wonder if I can get a job in one of these shit studios
I don't know how to do anything but I can speak 3 languages, all I have to do is put up with their bullshit and make sojak faces, and I'm bald too so

>>719221824
Because they want to make a game with a clear-minded mechanical focus (the player as a supernatural predator) instead of being a scattered grab-bag of wannabe Deus Ex stuff.

>>719221824
Because they think they know better and they hate the first game. See what the shill keeps saying.

>>719193314
>>no guns
Do people think that if they keep repeating this it will become true?

>>719219171
Not remotely the same you cum guzzling faggot. Take your shitty high school drama nerd shit back to your shill pit.

>>719222094
the guns are just temporary power ups, is this an arcade game from the 90s?

>>719221830
don't forget that 2 of the bloodlines clans have different writing through the entire game whereas the bl2 clans are superficial cosmetic differences and powers you don't need to use at all

>>719222094
using telekinesis to shoot a gun is RETARDED. Are you at the TCR really applauding yourself for this.

>>719222159
You wanted playable Malkavian, you got playable Malkavian.

>>719180457 (OP)
What year is it? 2012?

>>719221941
>scattered grab-bag of wannabe Deus Ex stuff
but that's what made the first one good, it wasn't any particurlar thing, but the combination of these elements,

The people shilling this game seem really stressed out and on edge

>>719222240
That’s not a playable malkavian. That’s a cheap knock off.

>>719222295
RPGs require more effort to make and doing math is hard for studios now so gotta strip out RPG elements out the RPG game that got famous for being a RPG loved by RPG fans

>>719221030
>it always sounded like Hardsuit Labs was a complete trash fire full of both unhinged SJWs and creeps.
They're in Seattle.

>>719180457 (OP)
>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET ME BUY THE HORSE ARMOR
Why are libshits such subhuman corpo slaves bros

>>719222319
Gehenna is coming for them and the chink room.

>>719222386
I hope so

>>719222094
>those hand gestures
RAWR HEAR ME ROAR :3

That's still not gonna fix the core issues of the game. Like, how do you think to make guns float with telekinesis but you can't equip those same guns and also they can't leave with you if you go out the door? It just boggles the mind at the decisions made here. You've got a cool idea where you could stack multiple guns floating at your side like you are Indian Matrix but you take 2 huge steps back with the not being able to hold the guns and they can't leave with you if you open a door.

>>719222216
>using telekinesis to shoot a gun
is cool as shit.

>>719222459
>here he is patting himself on the back

>>719222295
>but that's what made the first one good
What made the first one good was the writing and atmosphere. Everything outside that was deeply mid.

>>719222240
>mandatory walking sim segments as some literal who in your "RPG"
bro w h y ?

>>719222459
It's only cool if shooting more guns than you can hold at the same time. Otherwise dumb.

>>719222240
lmao

>>719222448
>also they can't leave with you if you go out the door?
Not an accident. The game separates various systems into discrete areas.

>>719222448
tremere would really only be the ones able to do that given the other playable clans don't have disciplines that allow that sort of thing

>>719222094
>drops weapon
>runs at you instead of picking it back up and shooting you
lol

>>719222628
>Press X for a cutscene to enter the next gameplay segment!
that is not discreet

>>719222542
wrong midwits like you are why good games aren't made anymore, the gameplay is deeply tied to the feeling given by the game, the imsim elements are essential to the atmosphere.

>>719180457 (OP)
even if I cared about your game, clan Malkavian choice is simply not there, therefore I don't give a damn

>>719222628
we know it's not an accident, it's low quality game design

>>719222798
>the gameplay is deeply tied to the feeling given by the game
In this game you play a super powerful elder that rips and tears her way through seattle. So the "feeling" was always going to be different.

>>719222848
It's game design intended to reduce scope creep and people gaming the system.

>>719183983
This is a new, weird type of shilling. Guess I'll think twice about buying their games now, even though I have enjoyed a few of them.

Tell you bosses that the reception for this tactics isn't very good.

>>719183130
Kinda sorta. Lucifer the angel is in the setting and is a major character. But he's not an evil guy. Evidently, God told him to rebel as part of His plan. His fallen angels fought heaven's angels in an orderly and friendly battle as they had no concept of murder or true violence. This lasted until Caine invented murder, which changed the war in heaven into a bloody genocide. Eventually the war ended with the fallen losing. Lucifer kept expecting God to intervene now that the war was over and announce His plan, but He didn't. Instead Michael and his archangels locked the fallen angels up in the Abyss. An eternal realm of nothing that after eons, all the fallen angels began to go mad and turn into actual demons. Lucifer himself was not imprisoned, and is never informed why.

So, the Satan persona isn't him really so much as his former generals who were imprisoned in the abyss and turned insane. His archdukes are the closest approximation to an actual Satan: Abaddon, Belial, Asmodeus, Azrael and Dagon.

GOTY 2025.

>>719222854
>>719222946
>nooo wait you can't rip and tear like that!

>>719222854
so it's just a brawler?

>>719222557
Because people love TCR walking sims and also because Fabien is great. (He's full of shit, though.)

>>719222854
With a marvel character in xher’s head

>>719222946
>Noooo you can’t play the game differently from how we intended! We have to remove options to prevent this!

clan disciplines
Banu Haqim
>Celerity - basically bullet time
>Obfuscate - cloaking/invisibility
>Blood Sorcery/Quietus - blood magic/blood manipulation
Brujah
>Celerity - basically bullet time
>Potence - super strength
>Presence - emotional manipulation
Tremere
>Blood Sorcery/Thaumaturgy - blood magic/manipulation
>Dominate - mind control
>Auspex - detective mode/stat booster
Ventrue
>Dominate - mind control
>Presence - emotional manipulation
Fortitude - increase toughness

paywalled clans
Toreador
>Auspex - detective mode/stat booste
>Celerity - basically bullet time
>Presence - emotional manipulation
Lasombra
>Dominate - mind control
>Obtenebration/Oblivion - shadow magic
>Potence - super strength

>>719223027
Weren't you able to play as one?

>>719223131
>people love TCR walking sims
What people
>Fabien is great

>>719223204
As a demon? Where?
In a vidya? Not that I know of.
In tabletop? Yes, Demon the fallen. It was bretty cool.

>>719223115
No.

>>719223220
Still Wakes the Kino was very popular.

>>719182625
>Bro, instead of consuming porn you should hurt real women.
kys nigger

>>719223372
Ok shill

>>719223115
Respectfully, why are people still asking questions like this that are easily answered by looking at trailers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEsWEA7YWiw

>>719223195
will presence or other disciplines affect dialogue choice?

>>719220980
more flattering lighting

>>719223027
I think it's implied Lucifer is in God's side, at least in vtm, in one of the gehenna scenarios, fair is foul probably since it's the one with caine in it, lucifer and caine meet and lucifer can't believe caine is still cursed since all he had to do was apologize.
Lucifer thinks Caine would have given up after a few months at best and it's been tens of thousands of years and explains that Caine is only miserable because he's a cunt who refuses to apologize. I take it as lucifer thinking caine was wrong and god is right

>>719223583
that would require vtmb 2 to be an RPG so most likely no

>>719182625
>madmaxpointingup.gif

Somewhat off topic, but do you think that a RPG with a number of premade characters could work? Like if you were given characters sheets to choose from and play the game based on that, like 1 or 2 for each clan, the trade off is less player choice at the beginning, but more interactivity based on the character choice, what do you think?

>>719224602
That's basically Swansong with extra steps.

>>719224602
1 kind of did that with certain clans not being able to get some stats over a set limit which pushed you into specific play styles with the different clans.

>>719180584
Its manufactured backlash, they intended to make whatever adjustments from the beginning, but this way they can claim they listen to gamers instead of the actual flaws in the game being pointed out.

>>719214108
>nu-hunter
This won't end well...

>>719189701
Dustborn is good thoughever

>>719180457 (OP)
>make the game insanely ugly
>sell the sexy clan as Day 1 DLC
Devilishly Jewish.

>>719180457 (OP)
How about I wait until the game is 50% off in 4 months? Yeah, Imma do that

>>719219383
>it's not that ugly aside from the MAIN CHARACTER

>>719227498
Man, everything about this character sucks.

>>719226530
There's nothing wrong with H5, it's just street level hunting, specially for a vidya adaptation it could be good.

Dev commentary but it's just Brian Mitsoda sitting there awkwardly.

>>719227672
>There's nothing wrong with H5
You're a retard, aren't you?

>Toreador superpower is kissing people to make them fight for you.
You can tell this wasn't made in 2020 because that would have been seen as rape back then.

>>719180457 (OP)
Let me guess, it's one ability each and zero reactivity? And of course, no fishmalk no buy.

>>719180457 (OP)
How about you have sex in real life instead of fellating greedy, anti-consumer corpos on 4chan?

>>719230438
Feminists are still dominating vidya, anon. They'll also still happily bankrupt studios, money be damned. Rather, they expect to get a job somewhere else.

>>719218793
>Doesnt he punish the guilty and whatnot?
No. That's a modern day misconception. He's the one being punished, hell was basically made for him and his angels.

>>719223583
From that latest stream: there's AT LEAST social uses of disciplines for hunting: they mention Lasombra/Toreador/Ventrue can use Dominate/Presence in conversations to manipulate the feelings of NPCs and get the resonnace they want.
No mention of that for conversations with other vampires though.
The Fabien segments show extensive use of Auspex (mind reading)/dominate in conversations though. And Mask of a thousand faces to set up one too. Very pre-scripted stuff in that case, but it exists.

so whats different between this and the hardsuit lab version

>>719180584
From the streamer that was paid to play the demo cohhcarnage, and everyone else
I doubt the clan choice is very impactful but for roleplay purposes it's shitty to limit such a small thing

I genuinely don't know which gender protagonist I would pick if this game is pirateable. I hate the male voice but the chick is making me non-buynary

>>719232079
I'm just skipping it entirely. I'll skim some lets play or look at the clips prepared for the media packet to be uploaded to 4chan by shills and laugh at it.

On the off chance they don't fuck it up I'll consider getting it well after its been reviewed and is on discount.

>>719180457 (OP)
>lasombra
>toreador
>irrelevant
Secondaries get out. Now.

>>719230705
>Let me guess, it's one ability each
One passive discipline, and four active disciplines per clan.

>>719231605
Hardsuit version was far more of an RPG, but the story itself seemed pretty bad and just carried by Mitsoda
Guns were a power up and melee weapons had durability
Hardsuit version had character creation of a mute protagonist, current version gives you a flat male/female choice of a voiced protagonist with minor customization.
Hardsuit development was notoriously going nowhere, current development has been delayed multiple times, but has actually advanced into a releasable state, which as far as we know the Hardsuit version never even reached.

>>719180457 (OP)
Wake me up when the headline says;
>"Entire Paradox staff executed by hanging following backlash"

>>719203260
>>719201483
...how many indians in the credits

>>719180584
4chan, Anon.
Their paid shills have been constantly trying to fake organic chatter about the game and they have been blown the fuck out so bad they had to report to Paradox that things are looking unsalvageable. Why do you think they suddenly stopped making threads two days ago despite CONSTANTLY having one up for weeks?

Don't kid yourself, for some reason companies think /v/ is a worthwhile place to shill and use this place to gather opinions. The mockery of the typical Paradox kikery DLC for a walking simulator game has officially broken them, hence OP's post.

>>719213975
Giovanni would have been great... Why can't we play as vampire mobsters skilled in necromancy?

>>719231605
It's hard to explain exactly, but basically they fired everyone and handed their work to a new team, who threw most of it out. They kept assets, so environments, character models, and various design ideas. But built the new game around a totally different design vision. With a completely different story. You can see shadows of the old story if you squint. For example, not all of the characters have been recycled into completely different people. The character Dale is still vaguely the same person. Except in HSL's game he was your landlord and helping you survive as a vampire, while in TCR's game he owns the apartment you sleep in, and he's dead in the present day, and I think you only meet him in Fabien flashbacks.

But for the most part is is legitimately a completely different story that reuses assets from a cancelled game to cut costs.

It's probably the most radical retooling of a game I've ever seen. I don't think we've ever had a game that got revealed, was allegedly months from release, and then got its entire dev fired, their work handed to another team, who then made a game with a completely different plot. Some of the scenes in the trailer are basically unthinkable imagery of the previous version.

day 1 DLC which is literally just content that should be part of the base game already is inexcusable

the only good thing the release of this train wreck has is that we have almost daily vtm threads

>>719233371
Those soulless Swedeniggers at Paradox has ALWAYS done this and you complain about it NOW?
Why?

>>719221775
Take it back, I was about to write this comment

>>719232874
>Hardsuit version was far more of an RPG, but the story itself seemed pretty bad and just carried by Mitsoda
There are claims that Mitsoda had written endless infodump questlines that went nowhere plotwise and failed to congeal into any kind of coherent whole.

It is true, however, that the Hardsuit version was a more conventional RPG. Made by a team who did not have any clue how to make an RPG. That's one of the reasons it ended up in development hell. They had no idea what they were doing. All of the RPG mechanics shown in public gameplay were smoke and mirrors bullshit. None of it actually worked coherently.

The Chinese Room who took over are a different kind of studio. They are historically focused on narrative and atmosphere, but as is the case (Bloober and Silent Hill 2) this game is their pivot into action, while still keeping some of those walking sim sensibilities. The Fabien sequences seem to be very walking sim-ish.

>>719233371
The game was scoped for 4 clans. The extra clans were always intended as paid DLC. They only became day 1 DLC because it missed its original release date.

>>719233467
This. Every single game of theirs is FULL of Day 1 DLC, some games having HUNDREDS OF DLCs (Europa Universalis IV lmao).
Paradox turned into a shit company.

>>719193314
why call it VTMB 2 if you're removing everything from bloodline except vampires

why not call it Vampire The Masquerade: A Dishonored Night or something

>>719233646
Because the game was conceptualized as Bloodlines 2. Of all the VTM games, Bloodlines 1 and 2 are recognizably similar.

>>719233612
>Paradox turned into a shit company.
They always were, you were just too blind to see.
Trust a Swede - Prepare to bleed

>>719233820
>Of all the VTM games,
All two of them huh? And you think it should be called "Bloodlines 2" because it's marginally more like the second game than the first, despite really being nothing like VTMB?

>>719233820
>Because the game was conceptualized as Bloodlines 2.
but then you removed everything from bloodline. keeping the bloodlines name when you don't have anything like bloodlines 1 is deceiving people at this point. couldn't your studio change the name? i'd have liked it best if you didn't try to bamboozle people

>Of all the VTM games, Bloodlines 1 and 2 are recognizably similar.
only because they're first person 3d game? it's a low bar, TCR

>>719233919
>All two of them huh?
Do you think vtmb is the entire franchise?

>>719231583
>resonnace
the fuck is that?

>>719234009
Yep.
Visual Novels aren't games.

>>719233919
If you look at VTM Redemption, VTM Bloodlines, VTM Swansong, and VTM Bloodhunt, the game that Bloodlines 2 most resembles is VTM Bloodlines. It has the vampire politics of Swansong. It has the v5 setting of Swansong. But overall, it resembles Bloodlines 1.
https://youtu.be/3hP7dCvHpKo?si=-ctDeMEEoWRPrXrp&t=1500

>>719233646
because they tried that and it failed horribly, what we're seeing now is a cobbeled together game created purely to salvage assets and recuperate costs.
the name is one of those salvaged assets

>>719180457 (OP)
You'd have a point if you can play Nos.

>>719234409
>it looks vaguely like another game in the series so it can't have it's own name or identity
You're absolutely unhinged.

>>719234514
The game doesn't seem cobbled together. It seems extremely polished. The previous version was a complete disaster from a tech perspective.

>>719234594
oh sure, it doesn't seem bugged up the arse but you can see the filed off serial numbers and cut corners on basically everything

>>719234579
The resemblance is not vague at all. It's in fact fairly overt.

>>719180457 (OP)
Gonna flop harder than pajeets with toilets

brujah gf that hates capitalism and fire torches cammy buildings before having hot, passionate sex with you

>>719234658
I think people are mistaking the studio's inherent inclination towards simplification and streamlining for a lack of time/resources. They've always been like this. See Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs.

How about you stop making these paid shill threads and get a real job you fucking pajeet subhuman monkey?

>>719233520
Those comments in your image are common knowledge to anyone who followed the development of HSL's version at all. You don't have to have 'an insider' to tell you these things. It was never hidden that the project was clearly a mismanaged mess, the demo they showed off after all the years it had been in development is evidence of this. The Ubisoft consultant coming and declaring it dead is also public knowledge, game journos were reporting on this at the time.

I love how every *eddit poster acts like they're some top secret insider with industry connections for stupid internet points.

Mitsoda being fired "without any reason" as journos were spouting back then was a load of bullshit. The man knows why he was let go as the company had to give a reason. Also, Mitsoda as decent as a writer as he is, didn't solely write Bloodlines 1 he wasn't the martyr as this place and other internet forums make him out to have been. Leonard Boyarsky admits that on that team of 5 writers Jason D.Anderson was the 'lore guy' who did all the research and ultimately made VTMB feel like it belonged in the WOD.

No offense to Mitsoda, the guy hasn't really done anything since Bloodlines 1.

Hardsuit Damsel looked terrible. I hope someone leaks screenshots of Chinese Room Damsel soon.

>>719234814
there's a difference between "streamlining and simplification" and "recycling and cutting corners" stop fucking lying pajeet

>>719180457 (OP)
How the fuck is day 1 DLC even a thing? Just put it into the base game

>>719234691
Disclaimer: Vampires do not have sex as they get nothing out of it and have to expend blood to fake body functions like a the cunt getting wet. It's a waste of time and effort only sparingly used as a means for luring kine.

>>719235002
What's the difference? Amnesia A Machine for Pigs took Amnesia (they were given the code) and they removed the sanity system, resource management, all physics-based puzzles, and so on. They didn't have a lack of resources. They just had this idea of what Amnesia could/should be where they felt a focus on narrative and atmosphere made sense.

>>719235026
because game publishers realized they could more easily release a $90 game if they also provided a cut dwn $60 version and called the rest of the game DLC

>>719234919
>those corpo bastards even take our struggle, put their brand on it and then sell it back to us. It makes me sick how disgusting those pigs are.
>wait I can see that you havent bought the premium deluxe edition of our game, don't you want to support the cause? The small indie developer that goes against the big bad wolf?

>>719235026
Because the DLC was created to be sold separately. It wasn't part of the game's allocated main budget.

>>719235029
with high enough humanity they not only have the psychological urge for sex but can also feel it

>>719235112
Why lower the price? Just cut out 30% of the game, sell it at $90 and then sell the removed parts for $60 (each).
You'll buy it anyway.

>>719235026
A. It's Paradox they're scummy as ever

B. This 'day one DLC' is their way of fulfilling their obligations of releasing two DLC like HSL were going to do. So, they can ship the project out the door and not touch it ever again. That's what they're doing here, the game was supposed to release in 2020 never in a million years did they ever envisage this project taking this much money and time to get out the fucking door.

>>719235243
Humanity is for retarded homo faggot cucks. You're probably a thinblood and (Caine forgive me for uttering the word) a limp-wristed Toreadork as well.

>>719235314
theres also the whole Tzimisce clan who get off on the whole torture and fleshcrafting thing

>>719235102
a machine for pigs was 1) meant to be DLC at first and 2) complete unfettered ass. it wasn't streamlined, it was cut down because the gameplay of the first game was too complicated for TCR to work with. they didn't lack money or time but talent, which is also a resource. so you can shove that game up your ass.
bloodlines 2 has i in a different way tho. re-used assets from the TCR game, from character models to the elixir system (who's presence doesn't make sense unless you remember the HSL's version was about a thin-blood and thin-blood alchemy was gonna be a thing) telekinesis and the enemy's face masks are there just to save on animation costs (and let's be frank here the animations that are in game are ass). a double jump and glide move despite the game clearly not being designed with parkour in mind.
the whole game just screams "we frankensteined this shit together and painted over the stitch marks"

not the target audience so shall not buy
I'll go back to the real one, thanks

>>719235748
>thin-blood alchemy was gonna be a thing)
It's a huge part of TCR's 2, actually. There's some kind of conspiracy involving thinbloods that is central to the story, and whatever was done to you involved some thinblood alchemist working for the former Prince (it's totally Dale, let's be real).
>and the enemy's face masks are there just to save on animation costs
What animation costs? The game has literally hundreds of NPC models inherited from Hardsuit and those aren't wearing masks. Bad guys wear masks to make the same bad guy appearing 10 times in 5 minutes less obvious.
>and let's be frank here the animations that are in game are ass
The animation is really good, though.
>a double jump and glide move despite the game clearly not being designed with parkour in mind.
What are you talking about? The game was designed entirely around those moves.

>>719236371
if you're gonna lie at least make it believable for the crayon snorters in the back

>>719183130
Not really relevant to vampires. But he does exist, and is a hollywood producer.
He has intense regrets for how he did the war against god's plan because all of his friends are now omnidestructive gigatards warped by their prison stay.

>>719201003
Real poseur shit

>>719222628
>I was retarded ON PURPOSE
okay. Still retarded tho

>>719236432
Point to a single section of the Paradox stream, when they were climbing up buildings and leaping from one building to the next, where it seemed like the game hadn't been designed around double jump and gliding.

So are the shills now under orders to wait until someone makes a thread before they move in and begin astroturfing, or do they still make the, "this looks really promising actually" threads themselves?

>>719236728
It doesn't look promising. It looks like a masterpiece.

>>719227672
>Bland setting
>Bland mechanics
>Barely any character progression
>Half the book is telling the DM to figure it out themselves
Granted, still not as bad as W5

>>719222094
>TCR staff was so triggered by the idea of making gun firing animations that you just make guns float and fire

>>719180457 (OP)
Well at least they've realized how retarded locking starting races is behind DLC, though were they already put under a preorder DLC?
Because if so, how are they going to handle that for people who already paid to get them?

>>719236931
No, they're just determined to never, ever, ever let the player forget they're a vampire. So anything that feels "human" got removed/had a spin put on it.

>>719180457 (OP)
>> NOOO YOU CAN'T CALL US OUT FOR BEING GREEDY KIKES, YOU MUST BUY ALL IRRELEVANT CLANS AS DLC REEE I AM ENTITLED TO YOU MONEY!!

>>719236725
the part where the street is clearly to wide to jump over

>>719237031
That's why the buildings have higher sections to jump off. It's why all the alleyways have drainpipes leading up.

>>719237115
>it's totally designed for parkout guys
>can't stay on the roofs and constantly need to go to ground floor to cross the street
>that's why the game's filled with ways to get up and of roofs cuz that's what parkour is all about
actually retarded

>>719222808
Same but nosferatu

No Nosferatu, no buy. Simple as

>>719237269
Rooftops exist so you can use vampiric sprint without breaking the masquerade.

>>719237773
ok, i'm gonna give you some homeworlk cuz you're clearly to retarded to figure this out without examples.
play infamous 2 for the ps3, if emulation is too much work for you bloodhunt works fine to

>>719235029
They don't have to, but they do it regardless to keep the masquerade and because it's fun.

>>719236986
Nothing says "vampire" like Bamham detective vision and telekinesis

>>719238564
Literally just Auspex and Thaumaturgy.

Because they even tried to pull this paradoxshit I'm not going to play it.
I've had just about enough of paradox garbage games and their subpar expensive DLC

>>719238663
God that's so vampire coded. I hope we also get flying that would totally work for animism.

>>719238754
you know you literally miss NOTHING by not buying the DLC? there's no story, no content to miss. youf ucking retard. were you even going to play toreador or lasombra?
>they're offering optional """content""" i don't care about so now i'm going to get mad and not play it!
how can you be this braindead.

So why is this a bad thing exactly?

>>719238764
Protean actually, Gangrel are completely capable of flight, they're just mostly wolf fuckers

>>719180584
this, who the fuck wants this game?

>>719238845
hello shill the optional content should already be in the base game, as well as everything cut + it should have been released years ago. Thank you for understanding

>>719238764
no, you'll get a double jump and a glide
that's not a bit btw, i'm dead serious with this one

>>719238845
Do you want some grease with that boot, colossal faggot?

>>719180457 (OP)
Or how about you have sex in real life instead of playing VTMB?

>>719238961
>literally any shitty design choice can be handwaved away with "well the source material doesn't say you can't"

So what you're saying is that White Wolf are retarded and this game is going to be the worst shit ever made by hacks.

>>719238984
I like double jumps and glides, i think it's cool and easier to design than outright flying mechanics

>>719239068
>"well the source material doesn't say you can't"
No, i'm saying your examples are retarded when the source material explicitly says you can do that.

>>719238845
The clans are really about facilitating unique playstyles. Like, for example, Toreador lets you kiss enemies to turn them into puppets so they'll fight for you.

>>719234297
A V5 thing. You can get some bonuses from hunting depending on the emotional state of the victim. So in B2 you an use discilpines to elicit/reinforce the wanted emotional state.

>>719239214
Oh you absolute retard.

>>719239285
First time I actually regret no extended character creation. Can you imagine making a burly big biker guy kissing people around to make them fight one another?

>>719239889
Says the secondary that doesn't even know what Auspex is.

Hoping this game kills the Chinese Room

>>719240213
Sacrifices are needed for greatness. VTMB1 (and their incompetence) killed Troika.

>>719240417
You wish people will love this game as much as Bloodlines

>>719239889
NTA, but you sound like a huge tool yourself.

>>719240213
How would it? They've already been paid for it, they've proven to business people that they can finish a project within scope and deliver a solid product from a purely technical standpoint (game design is another matter, but if business people understood game design the industry would be in a very different situation), meaning even if their current indie venture falters, they should be able to land work.
The only way I could see it happen in the immediate future is if the game becomes so reviled that no one would even want to be associated with the studio that made it, and so far, nothing shows the game being THAT bad, despite what some schizos would want.

>>719192971
>I don't expect Alpha Protocol levels, but if it gets high enough, we might have a decent game
kek

>>719240526
They're going to love it a lot more if we're being realistic.

>>719240608
You can expect a huge amount of reactivity and payoff for even minor throwaway remarks by the player.

>>719222094
>can't store or reload one ever
>every door is a "no guns" checkpoint
no guns

>>719240601
I think the real issue is that it might kill VTM games, what with Paradox being tired of the IPs constant fuckups and saying they don't want a Bloodlines 3.

>>719240601
Tell me the preorder amount lmao. You know it

>>719240610
and i'm gonna get laid before this game releases.

>>719180457 (OP)
She looks so hot in that photo, it's unfortunate that she's a hag

>>719240923
>t. closeted hagsexual

>>719240610
You wish. How much are you guys going to pay off game reviewers

>>719180457 (OP)
I will play this game
>but its nothing like the first game!!
i knoww i knowwwww, its just that im simply going to play it, and perhaps even enjoy myself, sorry!

>>719240923
anon, i think you might just be gay

>>719201003
She needs bigger tits.

>>719240885
You're getting laid in the next 2 months?

>>719240526
Well, I, for one, wish for it to deserve the love.
I want the game to be good. I'll be sad if it's not a "proper" Bloodlines sequel, but I'm in it for VtM, so if we get a good game, I'll be happy enough.

>>719240608
That's a high bar, but it's a decent comparison point. Different playthrough of the opening night already show variations in conversations depending on player choices (Lou talking about your reputation depending on how you described yourself to Fabien, for one). We'll see how things aggregate in the long run.
From what I saw on their github page, their cooked INK module is robust enough to allow a tons of interactions and granularity. Let's hope they put it to good use.

>>719240797
I don't know, not the first time I hear the doom and gloom, but at worse it goes dormant whlile we continue to play, as we did before the involuntary V20 revival.

>>719240837
Paranoid on top og being a tool.

>>719241093
The secret won't be the game reviewers. It'll be the absolutely glowing audience reviews.

>>719241196
I do wonder what has been left on the cutting floor. What ambitions they had that haven't been realized. They seem extremely confident in the game's choices and reactivity in interviews, though.

>>719241196
D-don’t be mean to me even though I am openly shilling my garbage on the mean chud site!
>>719241216
Game audiences totally loved Veilguard too (they didn’t)

>>719241171
no, i thought we were posting wishful thinking what with ppl "loving this game" as you put it.

>>719241351
>Game audiences totally loved Veilguard too
I'm not expecting Veilguard. I'm expecting something more akin to Hitman Absolution (94% positive).

>>719219027
desu clan makes zero difference in VtMB1 unless Nosferatu and Malkavian and that just changes some reactions/lines

I expect actuall more well written clans in VtmB2, VtmB1 with all its good things, wasnt some deep rpg.

>>719241497
You wish now tell me the preorders amount

>>719241351
>>719241497
I'm expecting 80%
The preview has pretty glaring flaws, but also seems very normie(good) compared to Veilguard's bad attempt at catching the Critical Role faggot audience.

>>719201003
Why is everyone saying this cunt needs bigger tits, she's a literal art ho, they're famed for their lithe flatness

>>719241518
I keep repeating it in those threads, a lot of Bloodlines worked on smoke & mirrors, but it's worth remembering smoke & mirrors *is* part of the craft.
A few choice NPCs reacting in a memorable way to the PC's clan (or gender) can have better lasting results that an actually more interactive game that put a lot of ressources on lower impact moments won't.
Again, we'll see how B2 lands. Can't trust reviews on that one, the only way to judgge is going to play the game.

I'm still stuck on whether to play Lasombra or Assamites first to test clan interactivity.

>>719241649
>The preview has pretty glaring flaws
Such as?

>>719200783
>Memberberries "blood pack"
>"remember the stop sign guys? Remember how randumb it was"
This alone tells you all you need to know about how bad this shit is going to be.

>>719242114
Anon, that's from the Hardsuit version.
They're keeping it because the other studio already promised it.

>>719233491
no

but yeah, that could of been way worse and some piece of gear literally designed to make shit easier, made shit easier. that shit could of landed on the bare metal floor

>>719221941
>Because they want to make a game with a clear-minded mechanical focus (the player as a supernatural predator)
How is that incompatible with any of the things listed?

>>719236986
>So anything that feels "human" got removed/had a spin put on it.
But then why adapt a series where vampires using guns is normal? Why remove that playstyle, when that translates to yet another aspect that the sequel lacks compared to the original

>>719234594
>It seems extremely polished.
Dude, come on. It absolutely doesn't seem polished as soon as you watch some open world gameplay

I dont understand how people can expect a good game from a company that only makes MS paint mapping games

>>719243808
that's the publisher, the dev makes walking simulators

>>719222946
>It's game design intended to reduce scope creep and people gaming the system.
>we are so bad at game design we can't implement permanent guns without people "gaming the system"
Your posts reek of PR speak

>>719235209
What's the difference? It's content they've made while developing the game that will release on the same day as the rest of the game. How is that not part of the development budget?

>>719241497
>I'm expecting something more akin to Hitman Absolution (94% positive).
What a very apt comparison, because Absolution is the black sheep of the franchise. World of Assassination was a response to the criticism made against Absolution

>>719244419
Personaly, I'm anti-DLC, but here what irks people seems more the day-one thing.
The trouble is psychological impact: the game was postponed for adding content. Meaning it releases richer, but later than planned... the same day as the DLC that was supposed to release a few months later, but was budgeted to be sold separately.
They should have postponed the DLC, and I'm betting most of the people crying wolf would have gobbled it up.

>>719181531
Just pick either guns or melee. Don't do both.
Otherwise lock picking is crucial. Outside of that do whatever the fk you want. there are skill books but they come in tiers. So the low tier only gives you up to the first 3 points. The best strategy is to hoard points and invest as you need. But the game isn't to hard so its whatever

>>719234664
no
no it is not

>>719180609
We were having good content for a while, anon.

>>719180798
probably the best use of Breyer's "Frozen Dairy Product" i've seen

>>719226186
It must be exhausting to think everything is some kind of conspiracy or evil plan.

Damn.
Look at all these Chinese room employees gas lighting in the thread.
Guys. we can see the product. You are cooked.

>>719247072
gaslight is one word

>>719245969
the guy who wrote this said rudi is a bad guy and he uses his cult leader status to feed on the protesters he leads like a predator and you're a stupid chud for missing the subtext

>>719183130
IIRC, fallen angels in OWoD are basically angel androids / robots.

>>719248168
That's NWoD where angels serve the God Machine. Demons in OWoD are regular fallen angels as we know them.

If you buy this shit you deserve to eat giant bowls of vile bugs for every dollar spent

>>719248965
day 1 purchase, sorry!

You're eating maggots, Michael

>>719243808
thats the publisher

>>719238971
Nobody sane wants this piece of shit, except edgy teenagers wanting to larp as sparkling vampires.

>>719241196
Fuck off, you fucking Hot Topic loving degenerate old man. Piece of shit old game you think was good only thanks to nostalgia, yet you retards shit on every piece of media they release. This will be no different, except for little kids - vampire shit is for children you retarded poor thing.

I found this in a previous thread, is it correct? I live in a purple place

>>719253542
No.

>>719253542
Es correcto, mi negro.

>>719253542
Not really. I mean, somewhat, but some of it is way too simplified. Then it also changes during the history, even the recent one. From when is that map?

>>719226186
Normally you'd be right, except Paradox holds nothing but contempt for its audience and they're just comically evil without much thought.