Thread 719189442

Why did they help humanity in the end?

>>719189442 (OP)
Our willingness to keep fighting in the face of extermination and kill as many of them as possible

intergalactic monke betrayed them

>they were lied to and used by The Prophets
>the Covenant could harm their home world
>over the span of the Human-Covenant war they grew to respect humanity in it's sheer tenacity to keep fighting back against overwhelming odds
It's what happens when you have a very intelligent race that values honor and strength. I remember reading a passage in one of the extended lore books where a Pelican was trying to take off by the Elites were surrounding it, and one of the marines offered to sacrifice himself by jumping out of the Pelican and fighting the elites himself, and afterwards the Sangheili speak to each other about the bravery and sacrifice that one human made to save the others, and question why the Prophets wouldn't accept humanity into the Covenant.

>>719189442 (OP)
Human cock

>>719189815
I do wonder what would've happened if that oracle didn't spill the beans on humanity and the forerunners what type of role humanity would fill for the covenant.

>>719189942
They would've won. Humanity was losing the war until the Elites switched sides. The Elites were far more capable war leaders than the Brutes, and frankly it isn't even close.

>>719189442 (OP)
Some still keep fighting humanity

>>719190142
Oh, I was referring to the Oracle that kickstarted the war that made the Prophets panic when they realized their entire religion was contradicted by us hairless monkeys, not the ones we see in Halo 2.

>>719189942
I think initially it would of been something along the lines of Troubleshooters and a soft usurpation of the Kig-Yar's role.
That is until the ease at which humans access Forerunner Tech was revealed after which the prophets would likely shit the role to that of clerical/administrative work under their direct preview.
Is the Élite's were the sword than the Humans would be the Bureaucrats allowing the Prophets to ascend completely into a Noble Caste.

>>719190142
Anon was talking about the Contact Harvest Book AI Terminal Oracle and not Halo 2 Guilty Spark blabbing about humanity being forerunners to Keith David.

>>719190260
Maybe in 343i sloplore. By Halo 3 they have all switched sides. They followed Half Jaw into his secession from the Covenant at the end of 2.

>>719190583
I refuse to consider anything 343 to be canon.

>>719190368
I would imagine there would be some unease among the prophets that humanity can access their god's technology so easily, which would definitely come to a boiling point when the eventual discovery of a Halo ring happens. They would accept it for the moment, but I'd imagine that a Halo ring incident would drive shit sideways.

>>719189442 (OP)
they saw the beauty of BWC and repented

Remember how good Halo was? Games truly made with passion

>>719189442 (OP)
wort wort wort

>>719189850
Interspecies trade, Human men get Sangheili women, Sangheili men get Human women, seems fair to me

>>719191496
>you will never be a racist vet veteran grandpa calling your grandson's sangheili gf a splitjaw at every available opportunity while secretly jerking it to sangheili lesbians at 3 am

>>719191775
>yfw your daughter starts dating a sangheili male

>>719189442 (OP)
They chimped out once the Prophets removed their status as honor guards and replaced them with a more competent race

>>719192665
>Brutes are the H1B's of the xeno world

>>719192723
We don't give H1Bs to niggers. We give them to poojeets, which are of course analogous to the Covenant Grunts.

>>719192861
no that would be the flood

>>719192665
>Covenant under Elite military leadership
>conquers numerous planets, conquers Reach, nearly destroys humanity, but Truth goes into a panic anyway because 04 got destroyed
>Covenant under Brute military leadership
>disintegrates after not even a full year, has no military victories, even New Mombasa in ODST had the Elites clear a path beforehand

>>719193131
Good job outing yourself Split Lip. The Brutes obliterated anything the UNSC had left while simultaneously fighting a galactic civil war. Then continued beating the absolute shit out of the Elites until the Prophets pulled the rug from under them.

>>719189442 (OP)
Surely some of them felt some guilt?

>>719189442 (OP)
what a cool armor

>>719194207
The Prophets making shit decisions is the only reason the elites didn't succeed in activating 05. Regret was too busy salivating over the Ark that he didn't even realize humans lived on Earth or that he didn't need it for the great journey. Also, Tartarus was the brutes' only good leadership, after that they just copied whatever the elites did, put on elite armor and got promptly btfo by the Master Chief.

>>719194207
>The Brutes obliterated anything the UNSC had left
? All of 3, ODST and I guess Infinite is just the Brutes getting raped by Chief, Rookie etc
They're just retarded shit throwing apes, maybe with the exception of Atriox

I hated the storm, but I hate the banished more because of the potential they had. They were interesting in Halo Wars 2, then Infinite happened...

>>719189442 (OP)
The Prophets completely fucked them over, and worst of all they were lied to. The Rings that the Prophets deemed sacred were discovered to be weapons of mass annihilation. There was obviously a seed of resentment growing within the Sangheili, especially when the Brutes were introduced as their replacements. They pledged themselves to the Covenant so that they could embark on the Great Journey, only to discover that it was all a lie.

>>719195828
Were the prophets even aware of the true nature of the rings? Or did they know and just not give a fuck. What the fuck was their gameplan?

>>719189442 (OP)
Because halo is an allegory for real life.
Hopefully things happen the same way in real life, too.

>>719196041
It kinda flip flops based on the Halo material, I think in Halo 3, Truth knew but so deluded about doubling down on his lies about Humanity's connection to the Forerunners that he didn't care. Regret probably didn't know. Is there any indication that any of Thel's fleet gained indication on what Halo is?

>>719191109
It feels like a lifetime ago, but I used to be really passionate about Halo. I honestly forgot about how big Halo was to me at one point. Then Halo 4 and 5 happened.

>>719196041
I feel like it was implied some did, and that they thought by activating the Halo Rings, they could ascend into godhood. They hated humanity because of them being the true heirs of the Forerunners, and so they kept the true nature of the Great Journey a secret so that they wouldn't immediately be overthrown. Or something like that.

>>719196041
i was under the impression that the Prophets found out about the abilities of Halo after Guilty Spark informed the Heretics.
Regret, at least, does not believe it because he says that the monitors don't know shit about the Great Journey while being raped by the Gravemind.

I asked this in a previous thread but when i cheked for replies later the thread was gone so I'll ask again, I want to get into Halo but I'm not really enjoying the first one that much. Are the sequels better or are they more of the same?

>>719196773
I wonder if there is a place where you can read the lore of the first three games before it was poisoned by what came after.

>>719189442 (OP)
embarrassment. it was a haha, whoops. sorry for genociding you guys, our bad moment. better help them to save face.

>>719196041
Only Truth knew the full extent. He was going to activate the rings and reseed the galaxy with only the Prophets living in it without them being genetic dead ends .

>>719196773
They make some changes to gameplay between them. Some more significant than others. TTK in Halo 2 was incredibly short as that one went all in on regenerating health. It also introduced dual wielding weapons and "hard ping" damage break points to insta kill enemies. That ended up being incredibly necessary on harder difficulties as the enemies reacted much faster and were more aggressive than any other game in the series to that point. Halo 3 brough toned down some of the enemy aggression and reaction speeds as well as brought back some Halo 1 guns. They get better but the core is the same. If you don't like 1 you may not like the rest.

>>719190583
>>719190708
>muh 343
/v/ fags continue to be pretend Halo fans
Halo: Ghosts of Onyx confirms that lots of Elites still hated humanity.

>>719196934
fucking Space Jews

>>719196773
Halo 2 is imo the best out of the og trilogy. Both in terms of gameplay and story. The stuff with the Arbiter is extremely kino in 2 whereas he is more or less wasted in 3.

>>719196997
That's the one with the retarded Spartan III lore isn't it?

>>719197067
>retarded spartan III lore
It's where Spartan IIIs come from, if that's what you're asking.

Did you ever think what would've happened if the Blomkamp movie was actually made? I still watch Landfall and imagine that timeline every so often.

>>719197179
I never noticed the kill icons on the windshield. That's great.

>>719196773
the bungie games are quite old at this point so the gameplay is gonna feel dated. you might enjoy halo 2 anniversary due to the updated graphics, but i think more likely you'll enjoy the gameplay of 5 and infinite more. they feel much tighter and are a lot more fast paced. however, the tone and writing of these games is awful compared to the originals. you'll probably enjoy infinite more than 5, because the visuals and music are closer to the originals than 5's was, but keep in mind both games end on massive cliff hangers that are wrapped up in books and are completely disconnected to the original games. it's mandatory to shut your brain off and ignore the story of these sequel games entirely.

ultimately my recommendation is, if you can get the campaign for infinite for cheap, play that, and if you don't enjoy the gameplay you probably won't enjoy any old or future halo game.

>>719197336
Halo 1 literally plays better than 4,5 and Infinslop

>>719196997
>ERM AKSHUALLY 343 IS GREAT!!!!
They literally hired people that hated Halo to make Halo.

>>719197336
You are actually fucking retarded. This is why zoomers shouldn't be allowed on this site.

Remember when you could play as a covenant elite?
Bring that back

>>719189442 (OP)
>ywn sangheili twink bf

>>719197302
There are a lot of details with the props that get easily overlooked. Makes me so mad the closest thing they have to use is Landfall, the ODST trailer and District 9.

>>719197464
Better than 4? Definitely. Better than 5 and infinite? Not really.

>>719197960
Getting emotional doesn’t make you right. The gameplay can feel better in the sequels without them necessarily being better games. Also I’m 30.

>>719192665
You mean a more compliant race

>>719198001
Bring.
That.
Back.
Remember reach.

>>719198001
>Kept it all the way up until Reach
>Elites just had a minuscule amount of customization, but people were just happy the option existed
>Come Halo 4 and they've never made a return, despite the fact that the Elites are in these games and the models and rigs clearly exist
Trying to balance Halo and make it a competitive shooter is really what killed Halo.
That and 343 being so goddamn retarded.

>>719198073
>Also I'm 30
No you're not.

>>719198275
Luv me Sangheili Ultra, used to play the shit out invasion and made a shit ton of invasion maps.

>>719198382
It's a shame that Invasion basically died fairly shortly after launch from what I recall.
For me it was the Officer, just because I owned the Legendary Edition.

>>719198382
>throws a mach 5 plasma grenade at you

>led a genocidal military campaign against humanity that glassed dozens of colonies and killed 23 billion humans
>"no, see, we're good now because a bunch of worms replaced us with giant monkeys please don't exterminate us"

Sorry splitjaw but I'll be damned if I share this galaxy with even a single one of you filthy xenos scum!

On this board, humans are the descendants of Forerunners.

>>719198597
A special diplomat shall be visiting you later.

>>719198001
With how autistic dinofags are, I'm glad they never will.

>>719198669
Hell yeah. The whole mantle of responsibility thing is such fucking horseshit cop out sludge compared to humanity being the actual forerunners after a galactic genocide.

>>719189442 (OP)
The covenant never advanced for thousands of years (they just used shitty copies of forerunner tech for their military while making most people live in farm peasant tier conditions) or improved life for anyone or anything because they promised their citizens the great journey and when that turned out to be a lie it fell apart. They're primitives with plasma guns who had not a fucking clue about the reality of the forerunners or humans. The elites had a bit of self awareness and that was a problem since they had inserrectionaries like the one arbiter put down and they never wanted the elites on the great journey. So they always intended to backstab them last minute.
The Banished lore 343i added kinda made it look stupid i'll admit, the point of brutes was their stupid loyalty so making the banished brute led just defeats the point. Atriox should've been an elite.

>>719198597
Humanity is in no position to exterminate the elites, if we went to war with them again they would just finish us off.

>>719189442 (OP)
because of BHC
big human charisma

>>719198848
This. Which is why the only 343 lore that I kinda fuck with is ONI doing some shady shit trying to put humanity into a better position if another war does happen... too bad they did it the worst way possible and helped create The Storm.

>>719189442 (OP)
wort wort wort

>>719198805
I think Brutes leading the Banished works for a scrappy band of warmongers, but 343 had to get retarded and give them the "actually, they're so scary the Covenant kicked them out and you just never heard of them until right now" backstory.

>>719198805
Also why are The Banished at war with humanity in the first place? Both factions should, at the very least, completely ignore each other, or at best, be allies in their war against the genocidal alien conglomerate that wants both dead.
Why do the brutes, who actually wanted humanity in the covenant in the first place, so much so they built choppers for humans as a gift, want to now do what the covenant was doing and kill humanity?
Oh and why the fuck would they let elites into their ranks? The banished were founded on the idea that elites are evil dickheads

>>719189442 (OP)
>Arby got along with Johnson and Miranda once he discovered the Prophets are lying niggers
>Rest of the elites look to an Arbiter as a leader
>Arby himself has leadership experience and is able to rally the elites to at least agree to a ceasefire with the UNSC

Elite and grunt chatter still lives in my head rent free.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL6LdQU_Uu4

>>719199246
Worhby.

>>719198848
The post-war situation was one of the many things that 343i poorly handled. They were right that there would be a bunch of splinter warlord factions since yeah no shit, but the power dynamic between the uneasy ally elites Arbiter and co. represented and the UNSC humans was so stupid. I figured that the Elite led arby faction probably would replace the jackal mercenaries with human mercenaries since humans do everything a jackal can but better and they don't steal stuff. But instead we have ONI going in to start more shit with the elites in those travis books and 4 didn't explain shit about the storm covenant.

>>719199023
>the brutes, who actually wanted humanity in the covenant in the first place
I'm not a bookfag, when did that happen?

>>719199378
IIRC, contact Harvest. Choppers were farming equipment gifts to humanity before the Prophets found the Oracle that spelled out that humanity were forerunners, which undermined the entire foundation of the covenant.

>>719199329
Glowniggers working to ruin an alliance could be a compelling storyline, but not when handled by 343. That's my biggest problem with them. They have some good ideas here and there that end up simply being wasted potential because they're handled poorly.

What voice did you guys have for Halo: Reach? I chose Johnson.

>>719199464
I knew the Choppers were meant to be farming equipment, but I've never once heard of Brutes actually being open to the idea of humans joining the Covenant.

>>719199594
I'm pretty sure they were just like the elites, and liked humanity for their grit and honor or whatever. That and their literal monkeys, so they probably saw themselves in us.

>>719199529
I forgot about that, I genuinely can't remember since it was just for firefight so I rarely heard it, probably something boring like Cortana or Master Chief.

Is humanity being forerunners more kino than the forerunners being a separate species like in Halo 4 onward?

>>719199741
Immeasurably.

>>719199694
The original Brutes were an amalgamation of a bunch of different mammals.

>>719199741
Yes. There is something to be said about humanity being the lost ancient race and how it comes full circle with the events of Halo, how this conglomerate of space jihadists are actually killing their gods unknowingly is great story telling. Pottery, it rhymes.

>>719199741
Bungie's lore had some irony to the Covenant waging a genocide against their supposed gods. There is also reason for them to commit that genocide because the entire Covenant would fall apart.
343's lore is just some gay chosen one bullshit and there is no real reason for the Covenant war to ever happen.

>>719199741
Kino. The chief reason is that it's exactly why Humanity can access Forerunner technology.
The forerunners being a different species is abject retarded and does so much harm to the story, that 4, 5, and Infinite cannot be considered cannon.

>>719199306
Coomers giving female elites big tits is such a trash design. They should be flat chested and smooth.

>>719199928
Explain the 6-finger panels in Halo 2 :^)

>>719198530
I noticed, as a kid, that suddenly there was a lot less Invasion mode in Reach being an option. Why was that?

Spire is cool. Was it not balanced or something?

>>719199741
>well acktually the Forerunners had their own Forerunners called the Precursors who then became the Flood and the Forerunners went to war with ancient space humans because they were mad about who got the special title of galactic custodian

>>719199972
We know that female Sangheili look like because of Halo Legends :^)

Miranda was hot in Halo 2.

Why did they age her like 20 years in the remaster?

>>719200005
A mirrored texture.
Explain the shrek door on the same level.

>>719199741
I prefer humans being their descendants, but would have been fine with them passing the torch to a fledgeling humanity
They went full retard in the post 3 lore with the "actually they were an advanced rival galactic species the Forerunners nuked into being retarded"

>>719196041
In Halo 2 it seemed Truth knew the truth (heh) about what they were and had some 5D chess moves in his head for a bigger plan with them (maybe localized firing to wipe out all rival species like humans, sangheili), it's the reason he gets the other prophet killed, but then 3 took the easy way out and just turned him into a religious fanatic that actually believed the shit he was spewing about the great journey

>>719199741
I hate this, I hate that everything in the first 3 games pointed and hinted at humanity being the forerunners, I hate that the Halo Legends clearly shows humans under the cool armor, I hate that those niggers at 343i reconned this because they're a bunch of hacks who self-admittedly hate Halo.

>>719200081
They did the same thing to Cortana, man.

>>719200095
Different species, duh.

>>719200059
Giving an explanation on what the flood were was the biggest fucking mistake. You don't need to explain your galactic horrors.

>>719200059
god I fucking LOVE IT when the freaky mysterious otherworldly thing that's nigh on unstoppable gets overexplained and ruined with the retarded obsession with MUH LORE that's cropped up over the past 15 years or so.
Damn >>719200223 beat me to it.

>>719200192
Halo 3 be all
>You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of all they left behind. You are Forerunner. But this Ring... is MINE!
And 343i be all
>uhhh he was cuh-razy lol don't worry about it

>>719199498
What's so funny is that the Didact still could have worked as an antagonist in halo 4-5 or so even with a forerunners are humans premise as an ancient human with extremely advanced tech has plenty of potential motives to want to conquer earth and the galaxy. Having them be more inhuman due to their combat skin also has the thematic parallel to the chief so it was all there, but they wanted the forerunners to be a different species and convoluted the narrative beyond repair in the process.

Look at him go!

>>719200378
I could imagine a disdain for what his species devolved into as well.

I think Halo is just a dead series. No reason to keep it going. Banished aren't that interesting, nor are the Endless, if they're even going to be a thing later on.

Was High Charity fucked the moment that Pelican crashed into it? Or could it have been saved?

>>719200508
Fucked. Flood are super fucking quick at spreading.

>>719199594
>>719199694
>>719199464
He is wrong, an Engineer makes the chopper as a gift for humanity because it realized that the Humans were most likely the descendants of forerunners. The choppers, though originally farming equiptment, is hastily repurposed as a weapon for the Brutes to use. Brutes didn't like peace, they only know brutality and death. The diplomacy later in the book only highlights this fact, with the Humans attempting peaceful contact, but the Brutes only want one thing, the planet and its forerunner 'artifacts', aka humans.

What is it?

More Brutes???

>>719200508
Once the Flood got onboard High Charity it was ogre.

>>719200508
Maybe if there wasn't a night of the long knives style purge going on with all the elites being murdered by brutes in the city below, and if chief wasn't completely destroying the internal security, there could have been a mild evacuation of the covenant civilians over a couple of days, but no shit was fucked the way it was.

>>719199464
No, Choppers were made by an Engineer (the floaty squid aliens) to be farming equipmet gifts for humans, but his Brute bosses just saw a bike with a giant slicy weel (which they bolted spikers onto). This happened after things had already gone south.

>>719200378
I've thought about how a Halo 4 rewrite could work, and I think replacing the Didact with a spiteful monitor who feels he was abandoned would be better.

HE'S GOING TO TAKE OFF OUR BACKPACKS AND RAPE US WITH HIS BIG DEMON BUTT
WE DESERVE IT
Looking up this image, I saw the Halo 4 grunts again and remembered why I purged it from my mind.

>>719189442 (OP)
Because they discovered the Covenant was lying and betrayed them and then in response the Covenant decided to genocide them just like they were doing to the humans?

I liked the funny Halo 2 marines. Great senses of humor when they could die at any moment.

>>719201079
IWHBYD skull stays ON during this campaign.

>>719200440
Tensions from ONI agents wanting to awaken the didact in secret to get the edge over the elites kinda first act for the build up even. Since yeah there'd be humans resenting the idea of being second fiddle / mercanary for the space Dinos who were killing humans just a decade ago (even if it's because the humans in charge see no better alternative for the time being) all the while knowing the humans were forerunner. So they go seeking out the Diadict.
Yeah this is just fan fiction stuff at this point but it shows how frustrating it is to see 343i figure out an interesting premise and then fuck it up. I wouldn't trust 343i with this kind of plot either as they'd find a way to make it shit.

>>719189815
>humanity in it's sheer tenacity to keep fighting back against overwhelming odds
Wtf I just realized Humanity is Halo's Vietnam

Was Blow Me Away necessary?

>>719201287
No, but I'm glad they did it anyway.

>>719190368
>É

>>719201259
[CCR starts playing on the Pelican's radio]

>>719197302
What do the bonus limbs do for

>>719201374
Why do we always have to listen to this old stuff, sarge?

>>719201229
Considering that me and my friends constantly talk about what we would've done with the Star Wars sequel trilogy, I don't think it's bad to come up with "What if Halo 4 was better written?".

>>719201374
>Fortunate Son would be the equivalent of 1400's music today

>>719189442 (OP)
The Sangheili always respected humanity for their fighting spirit, they were "simply following orders" from the prophets.

>>719201429
Star Wars and Halo both need to explore different angles of the same war or the past. Halo Wars 1 for example was perfect, we need more of that. Star Wars should explore the Old Republic. Both franchises already finished the fight, but they keep milking them and adding "ACTUALLY NOW THERE'S A NEW WAR" even though humanity is literally exhausted and it makes no sense for them to have a significant fighting force anymore, and Star Wars fulfilled the prophecy and brought balance so there's no reason for 10 new wars to start.

>>719197018
Kek
Thanks for the chuckle

>>719201732
They literally are space jews, man. See >>719196061
Like I don't wanna start /pol/ posting but that's straight up what Bungie did.

>>719189442 (OP)
The better question is how did they sneak a fucking super carrier onto Reach and nobody noticed

>>719201714
I think that's the rut of sci-fi franchises currently, where they want to add onto the "mythos" so badly that they will shit on what came before to make their additions "canon". Star Wars, Halo, Star Trek etc. all suffering from people who clearly don't understand the franchises but want to leave their mark on it. This wasn't so bad when people were all coming up with their own new franchises and borrowed elements from each other, now everything is a legacy franchise that has shit stapled to it that don't belong.

>>719189442 (OP)
They wanted to have sex with humans but the Covenant wouldn't let them

>>719199972
Based, balloon tits are lame.

>>719201849
Thel's just rad like that.

>>719198371
yes he is

>>719202179
Griffith?

>>719202179
Nah, this is a Spartan II according to Japan

>>719200508
High Charity was uber fucked the moment In Amber Clad did a slipspace jump directly into it. At the end of the level, Cortana confirms that the flood were leaving its wreckage. Now, if the covies weren't busy with their elites-versus-brutes civil war, then MAYBE they could've contained it. Maybe.

>>719201429
Yeah true.
But I think that kind of setup would have worked story wise as it gives time to build up dread over the secret mission to awaken the diadict as the truth about them becomes more clear as the ONI agents and such the player may be working with display an increasingly more cult-like mentality as the goal of awakening the diadict gets more in reach.
You know, I realize this may just may be more repeating aspects of what I liked about CE's plot. They built the flood reveal and 343i guilty spark's true agenda up so well in that.

>>719190368
>>719190904
how would the Prophets even try to explain the "Reclaimer" title to the Covenant?

>>719202303
>You got your Dragon Ball Z mixed with my Halo!

Fun episode. Shame Spartan 1337 is probably dead.

>>719198275
>Elites just had a minuscule amount of customization
I guess that was the tradeoff.
Play as spergtans with plenty of customization OR cool Elites with like 4 different armors.

>>719202379
Probably something like "oh these guys are blessed by the gods and are required for us to begin our journey"
That shit ass Halo show has a human aligned with the Covenant and I think that's how they play her off.

>>719201287
Yes. I love breaking benjamin

>>719202524
Thanks for reminding me that show exists and that plot point is in it. Not to mention the emotional inhibitor chip crap John went through.

>>719189442 (OP)
>the elites are being replaced with dumber, more violent, but more easily controlled brutes
>the grunts are called the unggoy
What did they mean by this

>>719202524
I don't want to remember that gay ass show and its lore raping retardation. Shame on you for bringing it up.

>>719202640
>John
There is no John Halo in the crapbag Paramount Halo show. There is only Jimmy Rings.

>>719202358
Antichrist Diadict basically lel

Why do companies who make sci-fi shit always hire people that hate the original shit? I'd take something like Alien Romulus which is a fucking mess of a movie over the Halo tv show.

44m5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwn6h6vofOE#t=44m5s
Why the fuck did Tartarus ignore the "oracle" and try to kill literally everyone? Was it because he's a big dumb brute?

>>719200771
Monitors tend to be secondary antagonists, would be hard to make them a primary antagonist.

>>719202989
Literally yes. He dedicated his entire existence to the prophets, and just like Truth, didn't want to be wrong.

>>719202989
I think it's because Tartarus probably was so deep into the Covenant religion that he didn't want to hear shit. Probably also because Brutes are deathly loyal to the Prophets for various reasons, so anything that undermines that probably is secondary.

>>719202967
Alien Romulus is just the The Force Awakens of Alien. A soulless reboot of the original hit with faithful and pretty aesthetics.

>>719189442 (OP)
The majority of the Sanghelli were neutral towards humanity at the end of the war. The Covenant who help you in Halo 3 are the ships and soldiers personally loyal to Halfjaw and the Arbiter that understood the the threat of the Halo rings, which were only about 10 ships and a few thousand Elites at most

>>719203097
They never really tried. If not a monitor that you'd find on a Halo ring, some other kind of Forerunner AI who was completely unaware of the Flood due to being in a shield world.

>>719200292
>god I fucking LOVE IT when the freaky mysterious otherworldly thing that's nigh on unstoppable gets overexplained and ruined with the retarded obsession with MUH LORE that's cropped up over the past 15 years or so
Everything about Destiny 2 was this and it completely destroyed anything interesting or worth talking about in the setting at all, as well as retroactively turned every new and every other existing character into a homo.
Destiny 1 was a mess but it was clear through its grimoire that the original Bungie writers locked in the basement writing them had incredible ideas for a rich world to explore but never fully explain, because how would you when narratively so much knowledge of the universe was lost in the collapse and you only get glimpses of it in your excursions into space.
I don't need Dark Souls level of limited piece meal storytelling, but these modern fucks have zero understanding of subtlety and restraint.

Halo books and the Blur cutscenes have been a disaster for Halo as a brand

>>719202894
I just can't help but imagine the scene where the Chief is ordered to submit to the Diadict's rule and he simply refuses to because why the fuck would he? He's defeated the covenant and flood, like hell he did all that just to submit to the very forerunners who led to the rings being fired in the first place. The ONI agents (who might be spartan-IVs) then turn on him on the orders of the Diadict and chaos ensues.
We never got any alliance turns like what happened in Two Betrayals come to think of it.

>>719203257
The Force Awakens at least had some ideas on its mind about the cyclical nature of history and how the insurmountable expectations of the legacy of past generations cripples those who follow them. They absolutely started from a point of wanting to make recognizable star wars after most people found the prequels weird and alienating, but they were using familiar imagery to tell a new story

Alien Romulus is mostly brainless and just had CGI deepfake Ian Holm and had the nigger say get away from her you bitch because...it's a thing from other movies and I clapped. A better comparison would be to say it's the Rogue One of Alien

>>719203345
The speculations over what the Darkness, Traveler, Fallen, Vex and Hive were was the only good parts of Destiny, especially with Forsaken King filling in a lot more world building.

>>719200796
I always assumed breathing the wrong type of air would be lethal for them. Are they injecting methane right into their nostrils or some shit?

>>719203560
This is why if you ever want to "expand the lore" for any setting you should always remember that some mystery is good to keep things interesting. Even if, IF, you want to explain a certain piece of previously unknown bits you should still leave an air of mystery that future writers can work with. Yeah, some things should be hard canon that can't be fucked with, some can be up to interpretation, and some parts should always be in that "what if" territory.

It's why most new lore for IPs is so dog shit. The writers feel the need to explain every little thing when they really don't need to.

>>719203714
the Halo EU is so fucking stupid and I can't believe there are people who swear by it, and those are the same people who bitch the most about the TV show when that series is the logical endpoint of the EU thinking Halo is about Master Chief's feelings and political intrigue about colonial rebellions or whatever

>>719198382
>>719198275
Did playing as elites give any benefits or is it strictly a handicap to play with a bigger hitbox?

>>719203843
I unno, I didn't pay attention to it.

>>719196190
>>719196041

The ending of Halo 2 makes it weird. Truth sent Tartarus to activate Delta Halo, that pretty much says he didn't know it would kill everything, but there definitely wasnt enough time to unearth the Ark to get out of range of the blast.

>>719203843
You regen'd health.
Probably had something to do with their four hearts or something.

>>719203835
I think people only remember the really intriguing stuff about the Halo EU rather than the dumber shit.

>>719189442 (OP)
They weren't exactly, their fight was with the Brutes and the bastard Truth, Humans were just allies of convenience, but the Arbiter had a soft spot for them. I guess he was trying to make up for all the worlds he burned, and the rest of the Elites followed his lead, he's basically their king going by how the spec ops Elite interacts with him.

>>719189442 (OP)
bro they were literally backstabbed and lied to for centuries of course they would switch sides what a retarded question. you'd do the same if you found out you were backstabbed and lied to about everything.

>>719203835
There's probably a reason why Bungie ignored a lot of it when they made Reach and ODST. Sometimes you just gotta remember that shit in the background explains how we got here, but the here and now is why people are interested.

>>719203843
In Reach, they were faster, had better shields, and regenned health. That's why you couldn't play as them outside of specific modes.

>>719204089
Weren't Mjolnir's shields by the time of Reach better than the Elite's shield systems? I think that was a thing in Halo CE, or I might be mixing it up with The Fall of Reach.

>>719204016
It's so funny how the Bungie old guard will so openly dab on the EU and it makes the diehard fanboys seethe. Like they get mad at the people who actually made Halo for not having any affection for the corporate tie-in fanfic slop.

>>719189442 (OP)
Prophets were an allegory for the jews

>>719204151
>343 finally lets you pilot a Pelican
>You get two engagements out of it and they never do it again
FUCK

>>719204151
That one halo 3 workshop firefight mod has you using it at the start, it's pretty rad.
Shame the mod is a clusterfuck of random out of place enemies and is a pain in the ass to play solo.

>>719189442 (OP)
You ever get into a shitpost fight with someone and start thinking the guy you are fighting is actually kinda based?
Now imagine you found out da joos tricked you into fighting that guy in the first place.

>>719204226
Mark V used the same shields as Elites in-universe, but ingame they were weaker.

>>719203560
That's really all each faction needed, a Forsaken King type of expansion that fleshes out their their existing lore a bit in unique ways but doesn't map out literally everything about them.
I'm still pissed that even the most little of things that made the game's universe cool was stripped down and simplified, like Rasputin communicating in code, to all the different Fallen houses joining into only a handful, so that the sub-90 iq writers could more easily marvel-ify the plot

>>719204237
Many of the older books are good, Contact Harvest kept me intrigued the whole way through, and The Flood, while often panned as a retelling of the game (it partially is), also fleshes out many of the grey parts of the story. Currently reading the Fall of Reach, first revision though, so plenty of weird typos and other etc...

>>719204386
That's going by the HP and Shield tables from CE, yeah?

>>719204487
Yeah. Elites had 80 health and shield in CE, Chief had 75.
The armory guy in Halo 2 explains that the Mark VI armor has a different shield system.

Why was this on the Pillar of Autumn, anyway?

>>719204462
Contact Harvest is written by Joseph Staten, cinematic director of Halo 1 and lead writer of Halo 2, so it's pretty much canon and doesn't really contradict anything from the games.

I'll ALWAYS hate the Halo EU for letting any Spartan besides Chief live. Chief is explicitly said to be the LAST spartan yet the EU has all of his childhood friends survive the glassing of Reach by hiding in magic caves because every hack EU writer needs their original spartan, do not steal

>>719204450
It really is sad when high concept Sci-fi just turns into Marvel-tier shit.

>>719204623
Caves can be comfy, man.

>>719204605
The fun thing to me is that the gold elites that have swords actually have stronger health and shields than the gold elites that have rifles. Don't think they ever did anything like that again.

>>719204623
Yeah, as much as I liked Blue team, them surviving Reach was bullshit. I feel something like that is great for prequel stories, not during the main timeline.

>>719204705
I don't think sword Elites in that game could throw grenades, so they needed a little extra help.

>>719204623
It makes more sense that some spartans survived, but I do agree that the whole cave bullshit can be somewhat stupid. Still a good book. The Cole Protocol is well written too, generally as long as the books arent after the covenant war (or before, kek) they are fairly solid. Never 343 era books do take way to many liberties though, and Spartan 4's are gay.

>>719204764
Kek, I would unironically read an entire book like this

>>719204764
I've never engaged with Halo past the first three games and ODST. Why does reading this make me so angry?

>>719204901
Its a meme you dip (I hope).

>>719189442 (OP)
Betrayed by the prophets + the flood were literally about to wipe out the galaxy and needed all the help it can get to push them back

>>719204842
I've lightened up slight to Spartan IV's when someone in another thread explained their thoughts about them being a better implementation of the Spartan III concept of cheaper, more expendable Spartans since they make more military sense than orphans of war raised to die in suicide missions. Now, this feeling would be if the Spartan IV's were actually ODST+ instead of what they actually are.

>>719204623
It's right up there with Disney Star Wars taking Order 66 and making what was (up to that point) a pretty explicit example of a full on genocide....except now there's all these survivors we're just now knowing about. Then we get the extra retarded ones like Reva who became an Inquisitor to hunt down other Jedi, to get a chance to kill Darth Vader....while killing other Jedi in the meantime. The one youngling Anakin should've double tapped, right there.

>>719204932
Ha haaaaa.
Ha.

>>719204979
This was a problem long before Disney, you just aren't old enough to remember the time before the prequels

>>719205023
It's for the best then. Those times must not have been particularly good.

>>719204806
Only the black elites could throw grenades in Halo 1. Very weird thing I'm glad they changed in later games.

Actually the gold rifle elites don't have a programmed in melee attack. The Heretic Elites also have a melee attack with no hitbox so you can get up close completely safely. Makes the first two Arbiter levels a lot easier knowing that.

>>719205097
Heretic Elites have a melee hitbox, they just mistakenly did 0 damage.

>>719205001
I have no reaction image worthy of the amount of disgust I feel.
Wasn't one of the big points that Spartans have zero (0) sex drive?

>>719205097
Black elites were spec op elites with specialized capabilities like how the black grunts used fuel rod guns. Basically a rank added for late game CE to mix up the combat a bit more with super accurate plasma grenade throwing ninja elites and grunts with a one hit kill booger gun.

>>719204979
Even before Disney, the EU was throwing in survivors of Order 66, there were a lot of Jedi and not all of them were at the temple or on deployment with clones.

>>719204972
My problem isnt the concept, its the characters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9npd-ilCYJA

>>719205001
wtf I love Halo again

>>719205287
Yeah fair.

>>719204979
>Luke... when I am gone, the last of the Jedi you will be
we already knew Yoda was a filthy lying frog puppet, but goddamn

>>719205242
This one is also a meme, but yes, one of the augmentations reduces their sex drive, I think it's the pellet with the human growth hormone.

>>719205261
I get that. But I feel like they're super accurate MLB pitch tier grenade throws would do that well enough even if other Elites could also throw grenades.

>>719205261
In my head what happened at that point was the covenant at the ring sent a bunch of assassins to hunt the chief down because their intel was aware to some extent that the chief and Cortana intended to destroy the ring. And in Reach that kind of spartan assassin operation was an explicit part of the plot. They're basically the final boss fight of the game.

>>719205393
>I think it's the pellet with the human growth hormone.
Yeah, titanium pellet at that. These fuckers dont fuck.

>>719205287
To be fair, that might not be a literal remark on his height and more remarking that the UNSC played the Chief up quite a lot after the war, they basically make him out to be a messianic mythical figure, but she used the worst possible tone and selection of words to convey it.

Engineers are the cutest of the covie races and it's a shame we don't see them more.

>>719205537
True. You have to fight a big squad of them on the final elevator out.

Also the first time you encounter them is immediately outside the Keyes Proto-Gravemind room so you can extrapolate they were sent to destroy it.

>>719205287
Its been years and this cutscene still enrages me.
No wonder Palmer was given a reduced role in 5.

>>719205625
They can fuck, they just don't have the drive. Nothing gets them hard, they don't think sexual thoughts, and all that's probably exacerbated by the fact of their upbringing being entirely focused around military training and the familial attachment the Spartans have with each other.

>>719205683
The elite in that last squad on the elevator has a whole book about him.
And most players just dunk on him in two seconds because they still have the rocket launcher from the reactor room.

>>719205645
I like how ODST handled them, Rookie whistling to Vergil upon certain conditions was very cute

>>719196041
Truth definitely knew, though the original intention was that the Covenant's "Great Journey" was the Forerunners acting as the genetic template for humanity, which Truth Interpreted as Divinity.
It's the reason truth kills Regret and Mercy in 2. The Great Journey was only ever meant for one.

>>719205797
I thought he was just a C plot in The Flood?

>>719205930
I don't actually know because I can't read.
I just know he was the elite that captured Keyes, and had a grunt BFF that chief murders earlier in The Maw.

>>719205985
The Grunt BFF doesn't get killed by the Chief, he loads up a Ghost with supplies and tries to get away from the Pillar of Autumn, he dies when the reactor goes critical.

>>719205930
It was, I think. There are a few stories and one or two books focusing on the Covenant, more specifically Elites.
>>719205985
Read the book anon, https://liber3.eth.limo/#/search?q=halo%3A+the+flood

>>719201415
Cos in in charge, that's why
SWEET ROLLER

>>719204705
>>719205097
Yeah, CE is VERY specific with the way it handles things.
>Each individual enemy type is its own .actor file that controls basic perception info, along with .actor variant files that control weapon info...for EACH INDIVIDUAL WEAPON
>On top of that, this also applies to individual ranks too (minor, major, specops, etc.)
>This is NOT the case for the later games, which just use an ai_generic.character file with all the basic data in it (health, weapon usage, vision, stuff like that) as a master or template file
>Individual ranks still have their own .character files, though, such as elite_minor, elite_major, etc.
>Weapon parameters are also specifed in the .character itself (for instance, jackals have a plasma_pistol weapon node that has 'Special Fire Mode' properties, allowing them to charge it up)
>Extra fact: in CE, each and every weapon has its own melee.damage_effect file, rather then a universal melee.damage_effect file like in the later games
>This means you could do something like have the rocket launcher's melee do more damage then the pistols, for example.

I fully expect real aliens to be as nasty and miserable as the covenant or the combine at minimum

>>719201504
>He doesn't jam to chansons and ballades
top pleb

>>719204764
>people actually haven't read this book and just take a shitpost on 4chan as accurate and real
just read the books, this isnt real

>>719206205
The combine is just humanity from the future

Who gives a fuck about this gay Halo shit
Post Sangheili men with huge butts and balls

>>719206189
I love looking in code for shit like this.
Learning that all vehicles are just a bunch of spheres was hilarious, and that every dropship, both human and covvie, was manually piloted by a dev and just played back in a recording is crazy.
Also yeah my favorite workshop mod, Ruby's Rebalanced, has the rocket launcher do enough damage to actually kill flood combat forms since it's a giant metal brick you're smacking them with.

>>719206391
>Ruby's Rebalanced
Tried playing Keyes earlier on Legendary and just ragequit. Played the original insead.

>humans show valor and honor when fighting against the covenant. Makes elites question why the prophets would accept brutes and everyone else that shows either animalistic brutality or are coward
>humanity revealed as the forerunner race turns covenant from a righteous cause into a purely genocidal empire
>elite/brute civil conflicts that blew up as prophets chose loyalty over competence
>human cock
>>719189942
Didn't the elites have basically most of the covenant's military tech anyway? I know that humanity by that time managed to convince the engineers to defect too, so the covenant were basically running on fumes

>>719196041
In Halo 2, they questioned 343 Guilty Spark, who would have tried to tell them the true purpose of the array, they most likely doubled down and didn't believe it, like Regret with 2401 Penitent Tangent. Truth unironically believes the Forerunners ascended to godhood, and believed it right up to the end. The secret he was referring to in Halo 3 was Humans being the Reclaimers and a big part of their faith being based on a mistranslation.

I would guess they knew the Halo pulse would kill them, but physical death by the firing of the array was a necessary component of transcendance to godhood. The Didact in one of the final terminals in Halo 3 makes mention of a Great Journey, it can be assumed that the Covenant mistranslated the part about [False Transcendance] that Mendicant Bias translates for the Chief, as well as the part about the Reclaimers going by Contact Harvest.

>>719206205
I think the combine are closer to it than the covenant who basically are primitives outside the advanced tech they copied off the forerunners.

Are there any other sapient alien races that aren't in the Covenant?

Also why do we call other fictional species, "races" in sci-fi and fantasy?

>>719199741
The original trilogy makes no sense if the forerunners are another species. It's supposed to be a Noah's Ark allegory. The forerunners of humanity used the ark to survive the flood.

>>719206713
>Are there any other sapient alien races that aren't in the Covenant?
Not to my knowledge, though I do know that tons of Jackals aren't actually part of the covenant and are just pirating it up.
>Also why do we call other fictional species, "races" in sci-fi and fantasy?
Human "race" is my best guess as to why.

>>719206205
We're the precursor race for future aliens to find and wage holy wars over the artifacts we leave behind

>>719206737
Why have you neglected Contact Harvest? That one explicitly has Mendicant Bias stating that Reclaimers are its makers.

>>719206856
Contact Harvest is in the image.
>Medicant Bias: Confirmation

>>719206778
>He doesn't know about the secret Moa empire
Soon...

>>719206703
The Combine kinda is more existentially terrifying than the covenant due to how they modify people into drones and tools for their empire.
But the covenant kinda is a worst case scenario when it comes to theocracy where technology only can be used as a tool for their crusades and power while the castes just live in primitive, peasant-like conditions in ignorance beyond the propaganda they get fed as slave castes who get mass murdered by space Dinos if they piss off the hierarchs. I don't think they'd have wanted humans as a caste just over how they're too educated and capable of independent tech even without the reclaimer aspect. I think they'd still have sought to bomb humanity to the Stone Age before integrating them as a caste regardless.

>>719206713
Language is imprecise, not objective, you're just flapping your lips and tongue and pushing air out of your lungs, we assign meaning to sounds by consensus agreement. Most of how people really communicate with each other is by context, not by hard dictionary definition, everyone knows what is meant when you say the Covenant has races, specificity is for legalists, not casual conversation.

>>719206989
Oh, I overlooked it, I thought it was being presented in chronological order

>>719206391
Adding onto what I said, each and every damage_effect also has a whole ass damage_modifier list at the very bottom of the tag itself. It's hyper-specific, but also pretty inefficient, which is probably the reason they use a global_damage_table within the .globals file itself in the later games.

>>719206778
Jackals are basically parasitic, it is strange they manage any independence when the covenant were basically the only empire around and only had to worry about internal power struggles or uprisings from what the lore showed. Other space faring societies beyond humans, forerunner and the covenant don't seem to exist. And probably shouldn't as halo's power dynamic centered on it being humans vs covenant with the forerunners and flood as the more ancient dangers. It kinda undermines the threat and desperation the covenant represents if humans could go form an alliance with some greys or such against them.

wort wort wort

>>719206391
You can just download the MCC mod tools and take a look at each of the tags.

>>719205001
KINO

>>719202989
>Those fossils were planted in the ground to test our faith
type logic

>>719207302
There are mentioned instances of Jackals smuggling shit for Innies who still exist during the Human-Covenant war, so that's something.

>>719206991
Australia has never been so fucked

Are the prophets just the Jewish people of the halo universe?

>>719207508
>doomsday prophecy where everyone dies and they become gods
Golly gee willikers anon, that's anti-septic!

>>719207508
i think they fit ancient egyptian priests or the leaders of various islamic caliphates better

>>719202989
Brutes are literally that stupid, that's why Truth favors them.

>>719207389
>tfw no smuggler jackal GF.

>>719207862
Would the space jews do that anon? just replace their gullible competent allies with braindead negroes who only favor destruction and violence?

>>719208020
>Gullible
Anon they were constantly questioning the big three prophets and even had their own rebel groups.
The brutes were so in line with the narrative that when a machine of their gods started telling their leader "no actually that's wrong" he told it to shut the fuck up and kept doing what he was doing.

>>719207862
It doesn't even make that much sense. Brutes haven't even been in the Covenant for all that long. They wouldn't even have a real culture of worshipping the ground the prophets walk on in what? 50 years or something?

>>719207389
Seems like a thing added to show how the jackals kinda are amoral. Maybe the covenant as an empire is more illusion than it first seemed given how destroying high charity was such a critical blow to it, like they had a nomadic capital ruling over different worlds that were always more autonomous and not as into the great journey as the prophets. We fight their dogmatic indoctrinated soldiers sure but it seems the bulk of the covenant races just went along with it because the alternative choice would have been their home world getting glassed even if they somehow could beat the elites or hunters sent in to crush their insurrection.

>>719208215
It really didn't matter. They just needed big strong idiots to take bullets for them, since Truth got his hands on an index and started to travel to The Ark so all he had to do was turn on the rings.
They would be with Moloch- I mean the Forerunners soon enough, so stability didn't matter.

>>719208020
Jokes aside, the Elites are harder to keep in the dark, the Arbiter was resistant to the idea of his faith being a lie at first, but it doesn't take him long to accept the truth. We can safely take him as being typical of the species. The Brutes on the other hand are a lot more dogmatic, they're less intelligent and questioning, but just enough so to wage war effectively, and have no scruples or hangups on the battlefield like the Elites with their honor code, for example, Brutes don't mind using Human weaponry, but Elites find it pretty distasteful.

Truth says it all in Halo 3, the Elites never truly believed in the Great Journey. 343 goes into greater detail on it, but I'm ignoring those additions and sticking with the original material and what I can surmise from it.

>>719208246
The covenant come off as a society where for all the impressive military tech they have, most of the races lived lives not any better than that of a pre-industrial peasant and in total ignorance.

>>719199529
Default. The voice shit was retarded. I’m supposed to be my own original character, but I also sound like an established character? Also even if you get all the armour pieces for one of the campaign Spartans, you can never make them look exactly like they character? It was stupid. I hated customisation in reach. I just stick to default, all black noble six with no emblem.

>>719208445
>343 goes into greater detail on it, but I'm ignoring those additions and sticking with the original material and what I can surmise from it.

>>719206205
earth gets fucked regardless

>>719199741
humanity being a under dog and not some super special species is way more kino

>>719208246
>>719207389
I wish we could see more of the civilian side of the Covenant or more about what's going on outside the human war.

We already know that the Covenant was dealing with terrorist groups of their own (Heretics) so it's not like their entire empire was completely unified. I'd assume there were plenty of outer colonies that paid lip service to the great journey but otherwise did their own shit on the side. The prophets in Halo 2 even talk about how the Arbiters in history were crucial to keeping the entire Covenant from breaking as a whole. "The grunt rebellion"

>>719208704
343 lore doesn't even have that, according to them, humanity were on the same level as forerunners. Bullshit.

>>719199741
I never really understood why they even made that distinction if they were just going to make ancient humans another, identical, highly advanced civilization that lived at the same time

>>719200059
THE MANTLE OF RESPONSIBILITY
HURF DURF

>>719199741
>Is humanity being forerunners more kino
Yes, because the Forerunner-Flood war is essentially the story of Noah's Ark, and implied to be what the biblical story was based upon. Consider Humanity, an ancient and highly advanced space faring race who, through its technological and ideological hubris was laid low by a flood. Having the Forerunners not be Human just musses the original trilogy's themes up into a stock standard sci-fi.

>>719208617
>owning a smartphone
Not based.

>>719208704
Humanity still had to build ourselves back up from scratch after the rings were activated. The Covenant benefited more from Forerunner technology than their descendants did.

>>719203671
343 is retarded is the in lore reason.

>>719208562
That's pretty true, all their tech is just badly reverse engineered Forerunner tech.
They even have worse AI than humans.

>>719201287
still getting radio play 20 years later.

>>719209319
Kind of intentionally because they know about Mendicant Bias betraying the Forerunners.

>>719208704
I think forerunner era humans still represent a different entity from the UNSC humans, different relationship but the underdog angle still exists as forerunner humans would not have our values at all. The consequences of humanity's relationship to the forerunner tech and their ability to use it being made public knowledge I find unclear. I don't think the Diadict would be humanity's salvation even if they were an ancient human.

>>719208759
Local power players who saw the window for a power grab without the high charity's fleets ruling things is one of the given aspects of any post-trilogy halo. And just kinda useful for gameplay as the formula of covenant races is too fundamental to ditch. Every go at non-covenant enemies failed, the flood were tedious, the sentinels can't carry a whole mission and no one liked the Prometheans.

>>719189442 (OP)
because they took one look at Master Chief and realized he was different

>>719199741
I'd rather forerunners just be extinct and humans are one of the species that they saved that they knew had potential.

>>719203671
That's what the tube is for I assume. I guess 343 decided the atmospheric mixture they require just needs a higher methane content than is present on most life bearing worlds. Weirdly every other covvie race can breathe nitrogen-oxygen atmospheres just fine.

>>719189442 (OP)
pretty much because the prophets revealed the entire thing was not only a lie, but the elite were now on the chopping block so they had no reason to fight humanity, helped by the fact the elites always secretly respected humanity for how much of a fight they put up despite the fact they were hopelessly outmatched, there were some elites that still wanted to wipe out humanity but said elites either got wiped after a grunt fucked with a nova bomb, or were to scattered to actually do anything before the the human eltie alliance shattered the covenant

>>719201287
Play the mausoleum segment with the music turned off and ask that again. I fucking hated how badly the MCC butchered both Blow Me Away and Follow. They should have put the full versions in regardless to bait out whoever holds the rights.

>>719208759
I always wondered about covenant civilians. Elites are probably all conscripted at fighting age, Grunts are just barely above a slave race. But there must have been just non-military guys around High Charity with all the residential living areas.

>>719209319
>They even have worse AI than humans.
The books imply that Covenant AIs are just copied Human AIs, they don't seem to like that particular technology, but still need it for some things. Both in The Flood and First Strike, they're considered by Cortana and Guilty Spark respectively to be pretty dumb, like dumber than UNSC Dumb AIs.

Did I miss out on anything good by stopping at Reach or did go the way of Call of Duty where it's unrecognizable these days

>>719209394
I think it may even make a bit of twisted sense for humans to hijack one of the remaining rings and use it as deterrence to establish a "You invade earth again, we kill everyone" kind of ultimatum against the various warlords that exist in the wake of the destruction of high charity.

>>719209629
There is a known conflict that happened between the Grunts and Jackals over living space on High Charity and the Élites had political representation so obviously somebody needs to live thre.

>>719209832
You missed the most attractive Cortana in Halo 4 and a depiction of Blue Team all working together in 5, but besides that nothing.

>>719196041
not only did the prophets know about the truth of the rings, but they even knew the truth about human being forerunners, even if you skip books like contact harvest which has a scene where mendicant just says it out loud to truth and co, the dialogue in Halo 3 and even bits of 2 certainly imply the prophets knew hence why they started the war to hide the truth

>>719189442 (OP)
They paid the toll for relaxing around monke.

>>719209832
Gameplay specifically? Halo 4 is alright and pretty close to normal Halo gameplay apart from dedicated sprint, but fighting prometheans is pure cancer, and all the forerunner weapons are literally just reskinned human weapons, the ammo pools of nearly everything are tiny and every enemy is a health sponge. Halo 5 went all in on the mobility meme, and depending on who you ask, that's a good or a bad thing. Halo Infinite is open world slop.

The grunt rebellion is my favourite piece of covenant lore.

>>719209872
And the events of halo 3 would mean they know it's not a bluff.
But the tension and cold peace it would start halo 4+ in would not be long lived. A desperate means to regain the peace that likely would prove to be a Faustian bargain.
Yeah there was a lot of directions to go in and it is evident that 343i had a scrambled mess because of that.

>>719210041
>Halo 5 went all in on the mobility meme
This is kind of true. But at the same time, your health and shields are so flimsy in this game to compensate for being in a squad that on Heroic and higher, you're mostly just plinking down scope from behind cover.

It makes it one of the slowest and most tedious Halo games. You're basically playing a CoD campaign on Veteran.

>>719189942
I think the war would have happened for at least a bit. Would have at least been able to surrender.
Then it would all kick off again if the reclaimer thing got revealed after humanity was "integrated" into the covenant.

>>719210019
Regret doesn't seem to believe that the rings are a genocide weapon designed to starve out the Flood. Penitent Tangent tells Chief to fire the rings immediately to contain the Flood and Regret tells him to fuck off and says that the Monitors don't know shit about the Great Journey.

>>719202989
combination of being dumb, being to far in to just accept your life is a lie, and not wanting the brutes to give up their new position even if it means believing a lie

>>719210041
4 is not pretty close to normal halo gameplay. Of the three games it’s easily the worst and furthest from halo. Putting the insane sprint and loadouts and kill streaks and lack of weapon spawns aside, the AI in the campaign fire their weapons so damn fast, and have so much range, and are so bullet spongey, they feel awful to play against. On higher difficulties you’re always stuck in the back, playing peak a boo with the enemy, and trying to assassinate the big ones because nothing else takes them down efficiently. Compare that to infinite and 5, where you have so much more freedom to move around the level. 4 is not a good game by any metric.

Have they ever tried to explain why Truth feels entirely different between 2 and 3? It's not just the voice actor. 2 really gives the impression he's using the religion for personal power and why he kills off the other prophets, meanwhile in 3 every scene he's in he's ranting about ascending to godhood.

Did he get plasma brain cancer?

>>719210352
The interesting thing is that if the war did kick off after humanity's integration, would the Elites be by humanity's side or not? I would imagine humanity and their uniqueness being able to interact and integrate forerunner technology would interest and put in a good word for the Elites who believe in the actual sanctity of the forerunners rather than the covenant.

I never got into Halo
It felt like a shit 90s SiFi channel show the 20 mins I played when it came out

>>719210554
Writing took a huge dump between 2 and 3. In universe explanations don't really work.

>>719204304
that entire level was missed opportunities, should have had the level being something like long night of solace where its a massive air battle

>>719210198
Since let's be real, humanity has had to fight just to exist for decades, the trust people would have with arbiter's elites is going to be fragile as hell. Even with the arbiter being benevolent and the elites being friendlier with humans it's still a matter of time before the arbiter no longer is running that faction and how do they know someone more conservative doesn't come to power who would rather have humans as a caste rather than as an equal? How do they know the chaos of all the warlords won't just crash into earth again? It's not tenable in the long term. And humans know they can use forerunner tech, including the rings themselves. It's the one card they hold in that situation, there would be people not keen on waiting too long to play it.

>>719210630
For sure, I just want there to be a reason beyond that.
RIP to Truth when he was Machiavellian and not a ranting retard.

>>719210606
You should play more than 20 minutes next time. It has great lore.

Bring back invasion but make it bigger!

>>719210554
>>719210718
The writer they had for Halo 2 was so burnt out that he took a sabbatical.
In his absence the rest of the team wrote the main story of Halo 3 by literal committee.

>>719205287
you want to know something stranger about this cutscene, the original draft for it had a much much better take on chief and palmers initial interaction that also fits far better with the rest of palmers lines (in the base game not spartan ops since that is its own shitshow of what they hell were they thinking)

>>719196997
>343fags

Someone that has always bothered me is how the fall of High Charity was barely more than a footnote.

>>719210847
Jason Jones, the director of Halo 1 and 2, was so burnt out after Halo 2 he basically quit making video games altogether. He still has an office at Bungie but he hasn't been creatively involved in any of their games in 20+ years.

Joseph Staten, the lead writer of Halo 2, had a big fight with Marcus Lehto, the art director, and went to go write Contact Harvest instead. Marty O Donnell was the head creative left after these shakeups and he basically came up with the bullet points plot of Halo 3 because no one else was around to write it.

>>719207078
I think even more terrifying is that the Combine empire is so vast that we don't even know what the "True" Combine look like. Or if they even exist anymore. Their war machine could be just that" a perpetual machine harvesting and integrating entire civilizations into itself long after its progenitors may have faded into the ether. At least that is what I like to believe.

Why did flood only infect Elites and humans? Wasn't it something to do with spinal columns?

>>719210695
tl;dr, I basically think that the post-war ONI should have been doing a covert mission to take control of a Halo for the UEG so they can have a hard deterrence against the warlords and make the shanghelli think twice about trying to undermine human independence, not fucking around in Shanghelios like a bunch of twits.

>>719211360
There was a cut version of the carrier forms that had Jackal shields. That's probably where anything that didn't have sufficient biomass for a combat form went.

>>719211360
Bro your brute combat forms?
They do infect everything, but they use shit like grunts and jackals as general biomass rather than combat forms.

>>719211360
It infected the prophets too

>>719210554
In Halo 3, the only people Truth has left in his corner are stupid ape zealots. There's no one left to manipulate or be subtle for. He's either alienated you already or can only alienate you by not being ENOUGH of a deranged zealot lunatic. His persona in 3 is just him pandering to the only base he has left.

This isn't me defending 3's writing necessarily since that's a boring direction to take things imo. But for the direction they chose his behavior at least makes sense.

>>719211360
Lore reason: The other races didn't have the sufficient biomass to actually act as a proper combat form
Game reason: It would've wasted precious development time creating what is essentially just copies of the already existing three combat forms.

Take as halo ring and hold the damn galaxy hostage
It's that simple

>>719211725
>Lore reason: The other races didn't have the sufficient biomass to actually act as a proper combat form
Also the Flood still used their corpses to build up hives, so still had a use.

>>719211035
The plot was moving at breakneck speed in 3 and they had a deadline so I can forgive it a bit, they needed to stop Truth before he could fire the rings and everyone was racing the flood so no time to dwell. It doesn't take much imagination to conclude it was absolutely devastating for the covenant losing it and was a big part of why we were even able to stop Truth because the entire rest of the covenant that was loyal to him was getting mulched there.

Are ODSTs the best non augmented soldiers in the UNSC?

>>719212663
Without question.

>>719212663
pretty much

>>719212663
Yeah

>>719210554
They realized they made a mistake making the leader of the covenant be a schemer that doesn't actually believe the religion and wouldn't logically kill everything. Halo 3's Truth should have just been Mercy and Truth should have been the one that was caught by the flood form on high charity

>>719212663
fuck yes

>>719202303
>1337
was this intentional?

>>719213261
A doddering religious guy who doesn't even really do anything does fit a lot better for Mercy. It's just a lot more boring than 2 Truth though, so unfortunately the story was lessened either way.
I don't know what Halo 3 with a more 2 style Truth would look like.

>>719189442 (OP)
They relaxed around the Brutes.

>>719196478
>It feels like a lifetime ago, but I used to be really passionate about Halo. I honestly forgot about how big Halo was to me at one point. Then Halo 4 and 5 happened.

I think that's how everyone who was a kid or teen in the mid 2000's felt. It's also how I felt about Star Wars before Disney took it over. Used to be obsessed with both. Now both are husks that don't resemble anything I loved about them.

Imagine being some Grunt schmuck in High Charity as there's a civil war going on, the Flood invade, and then the power goes out

>>719189942
would have been worse for humanity if the prophets declared us heretics later on because we would have had no reason not to let them know where earth and our other planets were.
keeping our planets hidden was a big factor in humanity holding out for as long as they did.
and if they decided to just integrate us even after learning the truth, great journey happens not long after..

>>719200021
I think it was the title update that fucked up a lot of the map options in invasion.

>>719202989
>>719210532
>>719207862
>>719203186
Canonically were the brutes a part of the covenant during and before CE? If not, how the fuck did they indoctrinate an entire species so quickly?

>>719214709
Yes

>>719214709
They were in Reach as shitters not allowed anything as basic as shields. Just shock troops.

>>719214824
covenant only let elites have them
jackals had to bring their own

>>719203345
>as well as retroactively turned every new and every other existing character into a homo
I actually still cannot believe they did this lmao, I'm still in shock when I remember that they made what were built up as some of the most legendary, mysterious and badass guardians that'd ever existed circa 2016. It was already bad enough when in D2 they revealed Osiris was some stale old fuck who literally does nothing but function as a quest-giver, then they made him an actual faggot on top of it. The person he's a faggot with? None other than the legendary Saint-14, probably the second most hyped up character the series has ever had. It's actual comedy kek. I don't think I've ever seen an IP so blatantly hijacked by people who hate what it used to be.

>>719206189
>Active Camouflage
>Super Active Camouflage
There's a super version of the camo? Is it ever used in the game?

>>719189442 (OP)
Jewish leadership sold them out to niggers. The niggers were too stupid to realize they'd be sold out to the grunts, next.

>>719214824
>>719214806
I completely forgot brutes existed in reach, damn what a retarded question I just asked.

>>719215138
Nah you're good anon. I'd forgotten about them until you asked and had to google it to make sure I wasn't forging my own memories.

>>719199694
How would butts actually be armored irl?

>>719189442 (OP)
Human bussy

>>719215071
Not him but IIRC it just makes it so active camo doesn't fade from weapon fire. The stealth elites have that flag selected.

>>719211217
In other words Halo 2 was such a struggle that it broke Bungie and the only reason it doesn't get brought up more often is become the majority of Halo's fanbase came in with 3.

>>719205537
if you read "Halo: The Flood" that's literally what happens >>719205683 one of the POV elites is killed on this elevator iirc

>>719211360
They just turned everyone else into biomass for the hive mind. That’s the shorty canon explanation for the real reason which is why bother wasting time animating flood forms for every event type when you can just use elites and brutes to represent eh covenant, and make marines to represent the humans.

>>719215463
It's because the original trilogy was made in an era where most people weren't even on the internet, didn't follow development of games closely, and developers were less forthcoming about the process of development. A lot of what we've learned about the games since they came out has been after-the-fact Q&As and the commentary track.

>>719211217
What happened with Jason is a lot worse than that actually.
He got bored a couple of months into development and fucked off to China while the studio fell to shambles. If you watch the dev commentary for H2 his entire contribution is saying "idk, did that happen? was I there for that?".

>>719215450
Don't the stealth Elites lose their camo as they fire though?

>>719211360
I'm pretty sure carrier forms are grunts

>>719215612
They weren't trying to kill him at first, their orders were to capture him. That whole bit with the Hunters on the way to the security controls in Silent Cartographer was a capture attempt, there were a ton of Grunt technicians inside those containers.

>>719216065
It would make sense, the hooves are similar and methane is explosive.

>>719212663
In lore yeah, but in game holy shit the halo 3 marines mog everyone, throw one of those cunts in the back of a warthog and they'll just mow everything down

>>719191496
No, human men get sangheili men too.

>>719199741
Problem is that writers pull the ancient superhumans thing out of lazyness and a need for a deus ex machina.
It falls on it's head if you actually engage in it like halo did meaning that if another lazy writer picks it up they have to make a new ancient society to deus ex machina a solution.

Cortana should have sided with humanity and bombs the planets of each race that were responsible for genociding humans

>>719216290
I think the idea is that she got logic plagued by the gravemind, not that it matters because 343 can't for the life of them stick to an overarching narrative without having most of it be outside the games.

>>719214709
brutes were the ones who kicked off the whole human extermination on harvest actually. prophets trying to cover up the truth from the elites and all.

>>719216290
Why? She's not human herself even if she is a mental clone of one.
It's like saying arbiter should've glassed sanghelios as a favor to chief.

>>719199741
How did the forerunners devolve into normal humans if they had a galactic empire?

>>719212663
The Marines of Halo are really good considering everything they're fighting and the ODSTs are hand-picked out of the Marines to do even crazier shit behind enemy lines.
They're all fucked in the head without question to be willing to drop out of a coffin from orbit but they sure can shoot good.

>>719216290
I have no clue what lore this even is but I'm assuming halo 5?

>>719210554
You were filtered by 2. He was always insane.
There's several of those holograms where you can hear his sermons.

>>719215986
Looked it up. Stealth majors and sword elites use "super" active camo. Regular ones not.
I don't remember how to set up AI for H1 anymore so I can't quickly test to see the differences.

>>719215116
Which is why the Kig-Yar were always the smartest and the coolest of the cov.
Can't be sold out if you never bought in.

>>719214709
they got in 3 decades before the human covenant war, as for how the brute pretty much just got doen nuking themselves into a pre industrial society when the covenant found them so they were mentally broken and willing to try anything else to prevent another nuking which the covenant provided

>>719216421
It didn't help that Mendicant Bias told the Prophets that Humans were literally their gods.

>>719216694
I think that was Regret

>>719216845
It was Regret. Truth was the Politician, Mercy was the Priest and Regret was the Zealot.

>>719202503
It's weird cause, when changing armor sets for elites, you can see head, chest, arms & legs change. I bet they could've easily made elites more in depth customizable but just decided not to for some odd reason

>>719216737
theyre scum!

>>719217076
Lack of time, or maybe will. By the time they were making Reach, Bungie was pretty done with Halo and just wanted out, we only got Reach and ODST because Microsoft managed to out-jew them into making two more games before they'd let them divest.

>>719190708
The correct opinion

>>719216845
I am almost positive there are some Truth sermons.

>>719198669
TRUE

>>719189442 (OP)
They did it only because they were following Arby, and Arby felt le sad after realizing everything up until that point was a lie. The rest of the Elites just wanted Brute blood.

>A bunch of space monkeys somehow took down an AI who controlled all the Forerunner's arsenal in the galaxy
what?

>>719198669
>Last time you asked me; If it were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. There is no choice, we must activate the Ring.
>You can't imagine how exciting this is! To have a record of all of our lost time. Human history is it? Fascinating.

>>719217128
They're based!

>>719216710
What denotes a stealth Elite major from a normal stealth Elite? What changes with their armor, and perhaps their HP and the like? Sometimes it seems like Elites that are clearly the same rank have slightly different tones of color. Also, wasn't there a dead Elite with purple armor somewhere in Keyes, and one Elite with white armor somewhere? Is there anything in the files about those ones?

>>719192665
Hairy Jiralhanae paws wrote this.

>>719218075
>What denotes a stealth Elite major from a normal stealth Elite?
Shield strength

>>719218167
Stealth Elites don't have shields in Halo 1.

jeetralhanae

>>719217508
He was giving religious speeches while the civil war is starting in High Charity and latter as the Flood attacks, but that seemed much more like manipulation than him having any real faith

>>719199741
343i isn't canon. Forerunners are humans and everything 343 did to retcon that is absolutely fucking retarded

>>719218075
>Also, wasn't there a dead Elite with purple armor somewhere in Keyes,
It's a dead minor, the purple you're thinking of is its torn open corpse, which shows its guts.
>one Elite with white armor somewhere?
That's a thing that occurs when an elite is set to either an improper or impossible variant. It makes their armor white, and gives them a random head. To my knowledge, this happens once in 2, at the end of Gravemind, a few times in 3, mainly with the elite corpses at the end of Floodgate, and once in Reach, in ONI Sword Base, with the BoB elite spawn for that level.

>>719200081
343 is run by incompetent/malicious assholes

>>719192665
This. The Banished are clear proof of this. They were able to fight back against the entire Covenant on their own.

>>719201287
Absolutely

I can’t believe that we’ll never know what the fuck the endless are. I feel so blue balled. The story line was retarded but it was so incomplete that I just want a sequel to know what the fuck these retards were planning. All there campaigns were like this. They set the framework for something big and epic, and YouTubers familiar with all the lore make a whole bunch of speculatory videos about all the crazy directions they could take it, and then we get nothing. Just a waste if everyone’s time. What the fuck happened in infinite? We just fought covenant on a ring for no reason. It was halo 1 again.

>>719197874
>Gaylo 3

>>719218075
Literally nothing in H1 except for the super active camo flag. All the values are the same, same armour colour.

>>719218672
They keep retconning their plots instead of following through. I'm still annoyed that they killed Cortana off-screen after she was set up to be the big bad at the end of 5. The next Halo will probably pretend that the Endless never happened.

>>719197874
Halo 3?! MORE LIKE GAYLO 3!

>>719218672
>we’ll never know what the fuck the endless are
They dealt with this in a book

>>719206205
I personally believe space travel is an impossibility. It relies on wormholes being real and being something we can generate ourselves, and if that’s no the case, no one’s leaving their solar system. There’s a limit to how advanced a species can get.

>>719205001
Holy shit

>>719218901
As usual. So, what are they?

It's fucking insane how Halo used to be on top of the world in terms of video games, but now it's fallen into obscurity.

>>719219015
Ayy lmaos that are inexplicably immune to the halo pulse. That's it. Apparently the Forerunners locked them up because they were a danger to the whole plan of Humans inheriting the mantle if they were allowed to run around for 100,000 years unchallenged.

>>719204623
Yeah it’s pretty annoying. Chief is the last spartan. There are no spartan 4s. It’s more comfy this way.

>>719219096
So definitely not worse than the flood or an ancient evil like they kept implying? Does it explain why there were immune to the rings?

>>719219307
Dunno lol, my interest isn't that deep

>>719213358
6/10, made me reply

>>719218370
No, I'm thinking of one I saw in the level Keyes, not the cutscene during 343 Guilty Spark. It was weird to see Elite armor that, while a dark purple, was still distinctly purple.

To clarify the thing about the white Elite, this is about a dead Elite in Halo CE, also in Keyes IIRC. By the way, do Elites in Halo CE sometimes have minor differences with their helmets? I recall seeing some atypical Elites back when I used to play it on the Xbox. Also, on rare occasions some Elites seemed to have slightly different color tones between the same rank, even in the same lighting.

>>719210041
>all the forerunner weapons are literally just reskinned human weapons
Apparently the weapon designer at 343 was afraid of guns. Hence why the promethean stuff looks like nerf guns.

>>719219307
https://www.halopedia.org/Xalanyn
Here

>>719199741
giga advanced species losing technology due to war/genocide/extinction/last one who knew how it works died is a certified kino trope since it dates back all the way to Asimov literature, which invented or at least popularized the trope

>>719216676
Yeah
She started going Rampant in 4 I think and in 5 she's just evil. I think she died because in Infinite you're finding her old messages for Chief and there's a new Cortana called The Weapon who is going to choose a name that will likely be Cortana if the next Halo gets greenlit.

>>719219564
>be guy
>hate guns
>apply to job where you design guns
??

>>719189442 (OP)
Question for Halo lorepeople: is there a legitimate human terrorist group that spartans could destroy without anyone feeling sorry for the terrorists? Like actual terrorists and not just people who want to govern themselves? Asking for a friend.

I don't like Arbiter's armor in 5

>>719218672
>It was halo 1 again.
nah
halo 1 had clear plotting and twists/turns in its narrative that kept it interesting, you fought the covenant and then the flood/sentinels mixed things up.

>>719219696
Their entire origin sounds similar to something I posted here years ago, when asked how you would add new factions to halo. I said it would be weird to just have another advanced alien race hanging about, since about covenant and humanity are space faring and the covenant especially is very widespread, and there’d been no indication of them coming into contact with other advanced races. My idea was, what if the forerunners used to trap their enemies in giant planet sized domes, which they did not realise could be used to survive the halo rings. Somehow the domes would be opened, and you’d have a whole bunch of aliens races who hate humanity released into the universe.

>>719219965
there is a group led by a lady who went through an experimental spartan program who went batshit insane from it that does nothing but kill for the lols so probably them

>>719219965
Some of the innies are actually disgusting people. UNSC and ONI glow hard, but some of the reasons for rebellions are pretty wafer thin.

>>719220002
One day we will learn why they were so obsessed with the bare arms and the one bare arm thing.

>>719219935
>be studio
>made to make Halo
>hire staff who hate Halo
??

>>719220002
The bungie arbiter armour is clean but you can tell it is ceremonial as well. This is ridiculous.

>>719220248
Genuinely can't believe they bragged about this.

>>719220138
>does nothing but kill for the lols
Wait what? Who? Shit that'd make for a kino ODST-esque game where you're hunting this person across a city or a couple planets. Why are fun IPs always cursed to have lazy devs that don't care anymore?
>>719220157
>Some of the innies are actually disgusting people
Any groups in particular?

>>719220248
Apparently in Halo 4's early development, 343i came to Xbox division executives or something with a test build and they were like a bunch of fucking robots just saying "It just plays like Halo" over and over again.

>>719199972
You are gay.

>>719220346
The fabled "too traditional" build.

>>719220295
Right? I thought it was a story someone made up until I read the excerpt it came from.
>>719220346
>guys we tried to make this like the other games in the series
>wtf why would you do that, fans don't want more of the same
Share holders and executives are utterly contemptible

Aside from the forerunners being alien and no longer human, none of the sequel plot ideas were particularly bad. It’s all standard sci fi that gives you an excuse to shoot new enemies and travel to new parts of the universe.
>fighting deadly forerunner terminators?
That’s cool
>you AI waifu going skynet on your ass and taking control of the forerunner terminators to do this?
That’s cool. Maybe using your waifu was too much but it’s still cool.
>a brute led private group who see an opportunity to take over the universe by controlling a bunch of ancient super weapons
That’s cool?
>the CIA assassinating the only alien you’re friends with to encourage a war amongst the aliens while you rebuild
That’s cool
>you ancestors secretly being authoritarian dicks that imprisoned their enemies, and it now coming to bite you on the ass because they’ve resurfaced
That’s cool

They were all executed poorly, but none of them are inherently bad. Of course they’re all slop compared to the original story, but that’s the reality of continuing a story beyond its intended ending.

>Arbiter dies
>Next elite leader wants humans to be subjects
You just know this exact scenario had to be at the back of the heads of everyone at ONI, the UNSC and the URG.

Some of these numbers feel fudged

>>719220158
Thanks for showcasing these armor variants. Is there anything in the stats or AI that goes along with these differences and minor color tone differences, or is it all truly cosmetic and at most implying more nuance to Covenant ranks than humanity can determine by the time of Halo CE?

I genuinely believe if halo 4 had infinite’s art direction and gameplay, and the story wasn’t incomplete, it would have been well received and no one would hate sprint or advanced mobility in halo.

>>719220616
unironically oni spooks intentionally funded both sides of the elite civil war to ensure they are unable to do shit as long as possible, imagine if they actually showcased that in their games and made it relevant instead of just several the retarded forerunner retcons

>>719198073
What makes the gameplay "feel" better?

>>719220248
NTA, not following this conversation at all
But I think this kinda gets blown out of proportion.
It sounds really bad, but from the context in the article, it sounded like they hired people (probably the people from Retro Studios, who had worked on the Metroid Prime games) who "hated Halo" because it was such a behemoth in the market, that they felt like they couldn't compete with.
I don't think they went out and hired people that simply hated Halo to spite fans.

>>719220713
It probably would have.
The art direction change is overall my biggest problem with it.

>>719220616
Porn brain logic dictates that Sangheili women are using their influence over infrastructure, bureaucracy and logistics to puppeteer their government into vassalising Humans so they can fuck Human men.

>>719220617
>no one bought halo infinite
Damn. Was this because of game pass or was the game ass?

>>719220713
I'm a lonely single player pleb, so no, the story still would've pissed me off even if it was completed.

>>719189442 (OP)
>Why did they help humanity in the end?
Their interest aligned with that of the UNSC once they learned the rings were going to vaporize the galaxy.
They did glass new Mombasa out of the goodness of their hearts, they could had let the flood buttfuck earth. I mean I think they killed a couple of innocents, about thousands of them in the process but the flood would had destroyed them for sure.

>>719219553
>Elite armor that, while a dark purple, was still distinctly purple.
Are you sure you're not just remembering seeing an elite that looked purple due to the level's dark lighting? Because no such variant exists in CE.
>To clarify the thing about the white Elite, this is about a dead Elite in Halo CE
I was unaware of this, but looking at it now, the elite biped which is used for corpses does in-fact use a more ice-looking blue color compared to the standard minor, so maybe it's that?
>By the way, do Elites in Halo CE sometimes have minor differences with their helmets?
They do.
>Also, on rare occasions some Elites seemed to have slightly different color tones between the same rank, even in the same lighting.
If this is a thing, I couldn't get it to show up. Separate ranks do use slightly lighter or darker bodysuits or 'combat skins', so there's that.
>>719220645
NTA who posted that, but the icy elite on the right of that image is the 'elite special' or 'elite special cutscene' bipeds.

>>719220874
Kig-yar have already laid claim.

>>719220826
In context, they hired people who didn't like Halo. They didn't like how it played, they didn't like its story, they didn't like it wasn't completely action-packed like Call of Duty. They hired people who disliked Halo to make it something not-Halo. All for market reach.

>>719221034
FLAG DROPPED

>>719220713
I remember at the time, that section at the very start of the game where you're climbing up the side of something and have to move the analog stick over really baffled me. Never before had a Halo game taken control away from the player and put them on a linear path like that. It felt way too much like CoD. The signs were already there, and it just became worse from there. I think that Halo 4 was only as well received as it was because people had so much good faith for Halo at that point, and wanted to give 343 a chance. But as far as I'm aware, the multiplayer scene died out not too long after launch, and Halo fans were generally unhappy with there being too many changes all at once. It just didn't feel like Halo anymore at that point, and people were pretty divided on the story. I'll admit I had an emotional reaction to the ending at the time, but I genuinely cannot remember anything from it aside from that. Meanwhile all of Bungie's Halo games stick out pretty clear in my mind. What you're essentially saying is basically just "Halo 4 would have been good if it didn't have so many things that made it bad".

>>719189815
This, also fuck 343 for making the elegant elites look like animals

>>719220713
You are very very wrong. You are too new to realize the community hated the change from the original trilogy.

>>719221069
All of the 343 redesigns are criminal

>>719221065
They tried too hard to make Halo 4 "cinematic" like CoD turned out to be. The core gameplay experience didn't change too much if you go between any CoD game and Halo 4. CoD is pretty schizophrenic in its campaign, throwing dozens of enemies at you that die quickly to hitscan weapons while the environment around you explodes constantly.

The dumbest fucking thing about 343's Halo is that after 3, now everyone's a Spartan. All it did was completely trivialize the basic soldiers and ODST. Such a retarded decision, holy fuck. It's literally like if everyone in Star Wars was given a lightsaber, it's that baffling and stupid.

>>719220761
Why do we not covertly take over a halo ring and then tell those aliens if they fuck with humanity again, we'll fire it?
I used to assume it was just that 04 and 05 were the only rings humans could reach but it seemed like zeta halo was also reachable so I just figure they're not too hard to find.

>>719199741
NOOOO
That was stupid.

How come Scarabs were able to be destroyed in Halo Reach, then indestructible in 2, then able to be destroyed in 3?

>>719221282
Explain your reasoning pleb, or at least how it is worse than what we have now.

>>719221249
They wanted people to be able to self insert as a spartan, but they also wanted to humanise the chief. The only way to do both was to enable spartan OCs.

>>719202989
I can't remember. Did 3 have a final boss?

>>719221295
>How come Scarabs were able to be destroyed in Halo Reach
They were indestructible in Reach, only in 3 could you destroy them. In Halo 2 it's because dev time was limited.

What was the consensus on Halo Wars? A worthy series or no?

>>719221474
First game is good and the second is meh

>>719221427
You just shot a light bulb with a laser.
Gravemind kinda disappointing in 3, they just telepathically seethed at you.

>>719221474
I don't know about any consensus, but I thought it was underrated. I just wish they hadn't made it a console RTS.

>>719221136
True

>>719221474
It was surprisingly good

>>719221474
First game was fun
Never played the second

>>719221474
Hidden gem really especially the first one. The second was meh but way better than whatever the fuck 343 was trying to do

>>719221319
The Forerunners were never meant to be the focus of the game. It was always a mystery.
What did they look like and why everything they built was in such colossal proportions? These are questions the player can wonder about and use their own imagination, increasing immersion.
They also served to introduce the flood, if the galactic masters from 10,000 years ago could not stop it what chance did humanity have against it? The flood looked all the more threatening.

Humanity was chosen as the inheritors of the forerunners because they are the closest thing to them which also makes the player ponder if humanity would ever reach such splendor.

343i response was unsatisfying and somehow 343 Guilty Spark has returned...
The didact returned as well.
Star wars tier writing, nobody stays dead anymore except for Johnson and the rookie.

>>719221474
The first one is alright, and while I haven't played it in a while, I recall it was pretty fun to mod on PC. Haven't touched the second one.

>>719221474
It is very watered down RTS but it is a fun RTS nonetheless and I would love to see the sequel on Steam.

ALL UNITS
LOCAL UNITS
A BASE HAS BEEN DESTROYED
YOUR BASE IS UNDER ATTACK
REACTOR COMPLETE
GET TACTICAL MARINES
YEE HAW
Dun dun dun dun dun....

>>719221675
None of what you said addressed why Humanity = forerunners/forerunner descendants is supposedly stupid.

Kinda wonder if that Halo Mega Bloks game would have affected anything

>>719221732
O O O O O ODSTS STANDING BY

>>719206365
I'm pretty sure the book where a male human researcher gets stuck in a locker room full of naked, sweaty female sangheili is an official book.

>>719196997
Halo ends with 3
>muh books
No

>>719221732
>Play Covenant
>Choose Arbiter as leader
>Upgrade him
>Go apeshit with his ability while my army of Hunters go to town on any building, vehicle or infantry that is in their way.
Good times.

>>719221813
I think you can actually play that now, someone went and made it a full game

>>719221918
>disruption bomb upon yee

>>719221474
Babies first RTS.
It's fun and really gets the Halo feel with sfx and animations, but don't go into it expecting a deep experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWSLHcAyy90&ab_channel=XboxCanada

What did you think of this trailer?

>>719222107
Makes me more mad that the only Halo live action shit we have is Forward Unto Dawn (Boring), Nightfall (Eh) and the paramount show.

>>719221450
Didn't some guy ram into the face of one and destroy it at the end of Reach though?

>>719222107
I was obsessed with it for weeks, I'd rewatch it constantly.

>>719221136
I liked Linda

>>719222163
Carter did, yes.

>>719222163
Yeah, in a cutscene

>>719197880
>>719210978
>>719221875
>/v/fags can't read
Ghost of Onyx is why REACH even has Spartans, faggot.
This is why nobody takes Halo seriously: Fans of it are jocks who think Halo 3 is good.

Just take over a halo ring bro

>>719222107
Halo show should’ve honestly been the believe ads.
https://youtu.be/40jdpzrpIps?si=8eUsIiZ35XYPjVLU

and now that the threads over what did we learn?

>>719222382
Nothing. It just reaffirmed that 343 sucks, as usual.

>>719222327
I liked Onyx, honestly 343 should have just made Fall of Reach, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx into games.

why didnt Kat just sit on the Covenant?

>>719222107
It makes me mad at ODST if anything. Game itself is barely above an asset flip.

>>719222351
A documentary with some flashbacks would have been a great show

>>719221065
What I’m really trying to say is that Halo 4’s gameplay is not good, but I think Halo infinite’s gameplay is, despite the game having problems in other areas. Halo 4’s negative reception was cushioned by the goodwill halo had at the time, so you have people say things like ‘it’s a good game but not a good halo game’, or ‘it’s average not bad’, while completely ripping into infinite, when I think it should be the other way around. Infinite is judged more harshly because it’s prior games had destroyed all goodwill that halo had built up.

>>719221125
I don’t think you understand what I said. I’m not defending halo 4.

>>719222107
ODST advertisment and prerelease statements
>gonna be operator as fuck, regular human so no superhuman master chief stuff
What ODST actually is
>le quippy firefly cast and exactly the same gameplay as master chief except with a weird grenade throw
Still mad.

>>719221793
Too many reasons.
The forerunners serve to set the stage but they are not the focus of the story.
You are involving another faction that does not change the outcome and only serve as narrative device to explain the anger of the didact and nothing else.

And what do you gain from this change?
>There are ancient humans in space
Okay so why is it that we cannot find traces of them in the milky way? In fact that information would had change the perception of the covenant to think humans are the forerunners drastically altering the plot.
It is an unnecessary change that adds too many questions without a satisfactory answer.
Content for the sake of content.
It serves no purpose than to add bloat.

But let's say we are talking about a different franchise.
What about a story about ancient humans who became extinct for whatever reason but left behind artifacts of great power?
Well that is Assassin's Creed big reveal and it is boring.
You need a lot of explanations to make it work and none of it is intriguing or inspired.
It quickly becomes one of those Solid JJ videos where the characters are demanding more explanations and begin poking holes at the story.

>>719222351
The issue with adaptation shows is that they aren't made with the franchise in mind. Usually someone has a script for a show that was already rejected, then they get licensed to adapt a video game or a book or something, then the script is adjusted to fit the franchise. It's easy to tell that this was the case for Halo because it is NOTHING like Halo.

>>719221295
You only fight one of them in 2, and it’s not indestructible. Also the reach ones were indestructible. My guess is they just ran out of dev time or didn’t want to rehash the cool scarab moments from 3, so they just used them as set dressing in reach.

>>719222689
I think the point is that Humanity being forerunners is a better world building trick than forerunners being a different species to humanity, especially when the trilogy heavily hints at it from the word go.

>>719221474
The second one is objectively better than the first. They’re simple but sweet games. They’re great if you just want to play a casual and relaxing RTS. The control scheme for the controller is also very good. No other RTS makes controllers work as well as halo wars.

>>719221474
Bungie were dicks to Ensemble though tbf Microsoft had a lot to do with it but Ensemble did a great job

>>719189850
The fact that this is the first thing that comes to your mind means you're a faggot. Kys.

>>719220994
I remember the Elite looking purple for some reason. Maybe the lighting was bugging out, or the Elite was. Could you get a shot of all the Elite models used for Elites already found dead at locations in the game? That could help resolve things, though I think it was indeed a white Elite. I actually saw someone playing within the past year or so and they mentioned and briefly showed the white Elite too.

Also, is the "Elite Special Cutscene Biped" the one used for the Legendary ending with Johnson? The only particular Elite cutscenes I recall are the gold Elite in The Silent Cartographer, the minor Elites in 343 Guilty Spark, and the Legendary ending Elite.

>>719198669
humans being literally descended from forerunners is just as retarded as 343's ancient human space empire shit, thats why bungie moved away from it in the first place no matter

>>719223461
Way too late in the thread to be giving that a (you)

>>719223862
>bungie moved away from it
spark outright states you are forerunner, that is the exact opposite of moving away from it

>>719223862
It explains Guilty Spark well, along with Forerunner technology being attuned to humanity. It's weird if the Forerunners randomly picked a single species to resonate with their tech if that species ever became a spacefaring civilization eons later. The hand switches are just for convenience if the operator was right-handed or left-handed.

>>719223862
Every Bungie game hints at it, even Reach.
The fuck are you on about?

>>719224092
Last minute rage bait

>>719222815
No it isn't
>forerunners being a different species to humanity
I like this explanation because in the eyes of superior godlike creatures humanity is the closest thing to them despite all their flaws. The message being that we can too reach and attain greatness in time.

343i ruins this message twice to set up the didact and cortana.

>Humanity being forerunners
Uninspired and begs too many questions.
Why are the surviving humans left naked and afraid?
Do you mean humans or hominids? Because then explain all the ancestral species on Earth , shouldn't there be one super intelligent species then?
Why didn't we left messages so we could take off from where we left? I mean the ark preserved humanity but a dumb variant and did not bother to seed the planet with a ship containing all the needed information or have an AI monitor to teach them?
Seriously how do you explain human evolution then? This is almost scientology levels of stupid.

To put it bluntly the later breaks all suspension of disbelief while the former is somewhat more inspired.

>>719223621
Yeah that is that elite.

>>719224275
>why were the surviving humans left naked and afraid
you can ask the same thing in the current explanation
>do you mean humans
they certainly do mean humans, in fact it was even extremely deliberate of the timing (the old lore had it to were the forerunners disappeared 100,000 years ago, at the time of the ogs it was believed modern humans appeared 100,000 years ago) and again same applies with the current lore
>no message
see again the first point

>>719222278
>big yellow muzzle for no reason
Nope. It's shit.

>>719215041
As a destiny player since 2014 I agree with everything, but don’t forget the very stark world of
>Humans=have powers of light and life
>Aliens=have powers of darkness and death
It was a very clear black white dichotomy with a little bit of grey but like all modern writers alien are le victims and darkness was retconned as psychic mind powers and light is physical powers.
I’m glad this game and its leftist devs are floundering

>>719220994
spec ops were blackish purple

>>719224275
It makes perfect sense because it's Noah's Ark. The aftermath of the Halo array being fired meant the survivors of the Forerunner-Flood war had to rebuild from effectively scratch on Earth. As Guilty Spark stated, every other strategic option had been tried, the array was the last resort in a war that decimated the galaxy, the only option was to wipe the slate clean and start over. As with the biblical tale.
>inspired
Forerunners not being human is literally reflected across most sci-fi media in which there are mysterious precursor aliens, the opposite of inspired.

Humans being forerunner even makes having a forerunner antagonist in 4 more compelling lol
>why do they want earth?
To reclaim it
>why do we oppose them?
They would just repeat the mistakes of the past
>what makes them a threat?
Desperate people betraying humanity for the diadict's control and losing themselves in the process
>Enemy/combat sandbox
Okay that'll be more complicated and it's where it falls apart like the flood sucked and the forerunner enemies in 4-5 were just generic robo soldiers with light beam weapons that barely behaved differently.

>>719224878
Halo was complete with 3, doing anything after that was always going to be a string of An AnCiEnT eViL aWaKeNs. The trilogy was a neatly self contained story with potential for spinoffs, it didn't have to keep going forever and ever.

>>719224738
It didn't have to be like that. TTK was great, Rise of Iron wasn't great but it was good. Everything since Destiny 2 has been a complete and utter disaster for the series besides Forsaken. They honestly should have never made a sequel to begin with and instead kept expanding on D1.

>>719224060
>>719224092
Halo 3 terminals started muddying the water, Bungie literally could not have cared less about their own lore they kept contradicting it

>>719189442 (OP)
Because fuck the prophets and FUCK the brutes.

>>719223862
It was the case in CE, they moved away from it in 2, then they came back to it in 3, but the Terminal team wasn't on the same page as the Game team.

>>719225385
>moved away from it in two
>"I am a monument to all your sins"
>"A reclaimer here at last"
>"and this time none of you will be left behind"
>the original ending that outright showed a forerunner coffin with a human skeleton inside with the Aribter (then known as the durge) stating something along the lines of this is a forerunner

>>719225639
I said they moved away from it, not that they outright contradicted themselves. They were outright saying it in CE where in 2 it was simply implied.