Thread 719191293

This is a game from 2008 that will also run on a toaster.

This industry is 100% fucking cooked.

>>719191293 (OP)
i dont know why devs became allergic to baked in lighting
all the beauty, with a fraction of the processing power

I thought Brink came out in 2011. That game had such a nice aesthetic.

>>719191365
It doesn't sell GPUs

>>719191365
How are we supposed to sell $3000 graphics cards like that goy?!

>>719191365
>i dont know why devs became allergic to baked in lighting
When games stopped being static linear corridor theme parks, and started going towards open world with night/day cycle and physics/destructability. Baked lighting sucks ass in those scenarios.

I always thought it was odd how damn good the sound work for gunfire was, violent and percussive with stuff like Doppler shift and distance/onscuration muffling that made it incredibly immersive and realistic. Very cool, but odd for a game that emphasizes hand to hand combat if you must fight. Then BF3 came out and I realized it was probably an earlier version of that sound system and they were pleased enough with it they wanted to use it as soon as they could.

>>719192268
It had the most realistic 'tearing/stretching plastic' effect Ive ever seen in a game. No other game has even ATTEMPTED those physics as far as I know.

The simple truth is women completely ruined the gaming industry.

>>719192073
stupid fucking decision then because static linear games are vastly superior to open world slop any day of the week

>>719192073
>When games stopped being static linear corridor theme parks, and started going towards open world with night/day cycle and physics/destructability.

>>719191365
>"yeah bro just bake all the textures at all supported resolutions"
>"AIEEE WHY ARE GAMES 200GB??? AND WHY DO THEY TAKE FOREVER TO COME OUT!?"

>>719192734
Yes. Baked lighting makes no sense in games in which you can affect the environment or its illumination.
Do you think it's a coincidence that Doom 2016 and Eternal (100% baked lighting) had the most static, uninteractive levels in the whole franchise, and then the game that abandoned baked lighting immediately gained proper physics and destructibility and larger maps and more advanced illumination?

>>719192073
Games had day and night cycles since the Nes days

>>719192987
yeah castlevania 2, famous for its seamlessly smooth day/night transitions

>>719192939
i agree this is why baked lighting is faulty at times but most modern games now are still linear games with basic level designs and rarely is there proper physics so ditching baked lighting at once is just ridiculous given the state of game design right now

>>719192912
Developers used to compress their textures in the past, crazy to think about these days, right?

>>719193205
yes anon old games were smaller in size because magic and the heccin genius devs of old!
and not because they only had 1 set of very low resolution textures and now you expect them to fucking bake the lighting for the 4k textures AND 1080p textures AND 720p textures and 640p and 480p... because it's gotta run on my 2007 laptop or else it's lazy and unoptimized!
you think baking that shit doesn't take a massive amount of time and space that no compression algorithm is going to fix? all for the sake of an inferior lighting model so that pablo can run it

>>719191293 (OP)
This shit popularized yellow paint (but it was red back then)

>>719193653
ah yes i remember all the games back then had red paint. i remember re5 had it, gears of war, halo and yes even cod.

>>719192939
>gain more interactibles
>lose game quality
How curious

>>719192939
>in games in which you can affect the environment or its illumination.
you can have that in conjunction with baked lighting, there's no real excuse other than competency crisis

>>719191293 (OP)
And this is an attempt at baked lighting in UE5.
Shadows are low resolution, ignore solid geometry (look under the car), and the engine can't seem to properly handle those transparent wines during baking, so it just made the wall pitch black.
Does it at least run good? Nope.

>>719192538
You’d be a massive fucking whiny bitch back then too, regardless of the tech. You’ll always just bitch, as will most vidya addicts on this board.

>>719194312
btw this is how it looked back when it was still UE4
at least the car is mostly considered solid now

>>719192939
who cares, shit game

>>719191782

yeah they just shilled physx instead

honestly pretty tame compared to what we're dealing with now

>>719194312
>>719194506
>both images still feel like the car is floating

>>719192073
>When games stopped being static linear corridor theme parks
Yeah, when?

>>719191365
>have talented artists manually put in a ton of work to make the game look great
vs
>have some underpaid newbie copypaste the lighting system from other games on the same engine to automatically make the game look passable in a fraction of the time
It's all about optimizing making money, even at the cost of the final product.

>>719192939
>webm
Nice source game lol.

>>719194942
post a source game that looks that good, valvecuck

>>719194726
You can say that about pretty much every single aspect of society.

>>719194312
>>719194506
Honestly, just kill Unreal Engine already.

>>719195010
not that anon but that one fear webm that always gets posted, the one with the light moving around in the room

>>719192939
That game was shit compared to 2016 and eternal so clearly we need to go back to baking the lights.

>>719191293 (OP)
Was the PC community always this deranged and intentionally misinformed when it comes to tech related stuff? I'm getting really tired of it.

>>719195149
>just shut up and buy the product goy

nope

>>719193636
>I don't want to do the work
>Gamer, would you kindly spend more on your PC so that I don't have to optimize my content?
Super wasteful. A bit more labor on the devs' part could save way more resources (both money and compute) on that last mile.
Also they could just release texture packs. It's not like game installs are plug-and-play these days anyway, one more step won't hurt.

>>719195262
>if you want me to stop being an intentionally obtuse retard, you are a jew trying to sell me something!
You are tiresome. I miss the old internet.

>>719195090
not a source game
fear is a 10/10 game but retards posting the lighting webms as if it btfos pathtracing when it's just impressive lighting FOR THE TIME (2005)
cool and ahead of its time but nowhere near as good as pathtracing
it would be like the disingenuous retard above saying nes games could do real day/night transitions

>>719192939
>Bake lighting for static elements like architecture
>Real-time dynamic objects
That's if your style even needs lighting for dynamic objects.

>>719195149
It’s genuinely never been worse. All of the console refugees and streamer cattle have made PC faggotry intolerable. Everyone is poor and whiny.

>>719195414
>not a source game
im retarded, thought he meant source like evidence. lets see how about contagion?

>>719192538
>slop
fuck you and this faggot buzzword you bitch

>>719195764
anon... this doesn't look as good as doom...

>>719192431
They did that to shill PhysX and sell GPUs. The same song and dance we're all tired of.

>>719196059
Except unlike the current Jew garbage they are pushing it actually worked

>>719191293 (OP)
Who's stopping them from putting limits on graphical power and be creative again?

>>719196059
with lighting there is less player interactivity with it, with physX you could do a lot more with it as a player

>>719195570
>every surface has a nice, detailed normal and specular map
One overlooked aspect of what makes ME look good.

>>719192431
It was a common stock PhysX effect. Pretty sure Borderlands 2 had the same effect. Also I never liked it because surprise surprise, in a game with a super intensive baked GI lighting model, the dynamic cloth isn’t lit correctly and can’t cast shadows, so it doesn’t fit in with anything else in the game.

>>719195570
This game only looks remotely decent in these cute still images
Anybody who posts shit like this as a gotcha never played the game

>>719191293 (OP)
iirc they actually did it the right way around and used ray tracing once to then instruct how the lighting should be baked instead of just offloading that work to the end user's gpu

>>719196314
You retards bitching and posting snide comments.
"UH W-WHAT PS3 GAME IS THIS XD"

>>719196912
This is the dumbest post I’ve ever read that isn’t actually wrong.

what im reading here is that gamers dont actually want their games to have lighting, they just want the visual effect of the lighting to just be baked into the textures in advance
thanks for telling me you want games to be linear movieslop

>>719197115
Salty failed gamedev detected

>>719197285
I really don't need you to simulate the actual movements of the sun

>>719196853
retard

>>719193636
an easy solution to that is also what devs used to do back in the days of yore, you insufferable faggot
you simply ship the game at a standard resolution and then let players download official higher res patches from the official website
job done

>>719197852
Hi zoomie secondary
Go make another twitter post going
>*sigh* how come game's can't look as good at this anymore?
Instead of playing the game?

>>719197285
i need the pictures to look good for my aggrieved twitter post which i will then repost on 4chan and get my favourite streamer to react to

>>719194726
I will say PhysX COULD have actually made games better by making the world more dynamic in terms of the actual physical simulations involve. I don't think any devs actually used it this way, but it had potential to be quite innovative.


There's literally no real use case for modern raytracing techniques in gaming that either baked lighting or other less computationally intensive lighting methods can't do. It's literally a solution seeking a problem.

>>719195017
All too true.

>>719192939
Pushing barrels and destruction animations are not interesting in 2025

>>719192073
Explain oblivion gta iv morrowind saints row etc

>>719192939
Oblivion? Gta? Saints row?

>>719202136
>>719202217
None of those games used baked lighting retards.

>>719194312
>>719194506
thats wrongly set shadow bias
want to see what baked lighting can do in unreal 4? look at dead island 2

>>719191293 (OP)
But not even a 5090 can run Mirrors Edge with all the graphics turned up. It's a stuttering mess.