Thread 719192908

what will it be about?

>>719192908 (OP)
Painters vs Writers war
Which means Verso's ending will likely be made canon

I'm be happy with more RPG games in their style is all. Don't have to connect to the specific Expedition 33 game.

>>719192908 (OP)
the make the game with gustave in it the whole game instead of that fucking mumble mouth verso

>>719192908 (OP)
Gustave waking up in the real world, which is actually just a world created by the Writers

I mean it did end on the cliffhanger with the painter writer bullshit.

>>719192908 (OP)
Completely new setting

>>719193046
It doesn't necessarily have to be. Verso and Maelle will still be in the painting, or dead as she stays in there so long she dies and now the family has 2 dead children and we shift perspective to the last surviving child. Now we get the Writer/Painter war...or WWI kicking off because it's in 1910 Paris.

>>719192908 (OP)
considering how the story explored every main characters' motivations in depth, I wouldn't be suprised if the next game was only about the writers and their motivations.

>>719192908 (OP)
Clea is dealing with the writers, obviously. She'll be the next protagonist.

I actually kind of loved the canvas world, going out to the outside would would feel like a step down.
I think they could do something fun and write an alternate story for the sequel where another group of painted Expedition 33 members you don't see in 1 survive the opening massacre, and after a long journey where they figure everything out, they run into and fighting Renoir and Verso for their right to exist. Maybe pull some Star Ocean 3 shit and figure out a way to leave the canvas and solidify their existance as real.

I hope to God not a single one of you ever get into a position of influence over any kind of art direction.

>>719193284
>"Verso's soul never finds peace, and Alicia's dead in the basement... Now let's avenge Verso!"

It doesn't take a genius to realize they'll go with Verso's. The devs have all but confirmed it's the good ending.

They don't have the balls to make it about expedition 15.

Anthology approach. Nothing from Expedition 33 is present or referenced.

>>719193541
>Maybe pull some Star Ocean 3

How about no. Also, the main reason the ending gets talked about so much is controversial.
Add a golden "And everyone lived happily ever after with no issues whatsoever" route, and people stop caring.

>>719193864
Every single interview where the ending is mention they have very consciously and explicitly refrained from weighing in on what the "correct" ending is or if there were other endings in play or whatever. They have been clear mltiple times that they intend players to make the decision for themselves based on their own judgement.

>>719192908 (OP)
>Not a Final Fantasy
But ff is well known for having a fuckton of sequels so what is it? Or the journo just wanted to make a pun?

Nice, i just finished the game moments ago, choose the Verso ending, Is it worth doing the final battle again to se Maelle ending or should i just watch it on youtube?

>>719193243
>>719194030
This is the way

>>719194236
Amounts to the same thing. You can just reload the save before the fight or watch it on YT, whichever takes less time I guess...

>>719193072
>>719192908 (OP)
Gustav in a writer world written by maelle because she has typewriters in her room. Written worlds could have extremely different rules, like you can influence other written worlds by writing yours in connection to theirs and it kicks off the war. Could explain how they set maelle's room on fire too

I don't want a continuation, but I think it'd be fine to have it set in the same real world, but you spend very little time there like in E33.

Players would expect a fake world, so start in the real one and enter a book or some shit, and you play as a writer. The MC knows the world is fake, we know the world is fake, but obviously the party doesn't, except for the plot twist party member who turns out to be a writer too.

>>719192908 (OP)
it'll be about learning exact timings on 33 different wind up animations per hour

Revisiting the Dessendres and Painted worlds cheapens E33. Even if they just switch to a world created by Writers, it would have the same conflict and ideas. They should just tell a different story, entirely fresh.

>>719194236
Do the side content if you haven't already. Act 3 has some cool stuff hidden away.

>>719192908 (OP)
One thing that i feel is guaranteed is that it will be another tragic story without outright evil villain, mix of light and dark, an clair obscur if you will

>>719194769
>They should just tell a different story, entirely fresh.
I agree with this but what will make it a franchise though, just reusing the battle system?

>>719192908 (OP)
Who the fuck cares? The game was trash and you're all trash for buying it. I swear you fucking normies drive me up the goddamn wall.

>>719194980
what makes final fantasy a franchise?

>>719194620
The whole problem with this "hurr let's explore the writers this time instead durr" is that it would even make sense the way the painters did because writing is not a visual medium. The painted world is supposed to be a world of actual painted objects, thus you can see them and they heavily borrow from painting aesthetics because of course they do. How would you even depict a world visually that was inside a text? I'm not saying it's not possible, but most likely it would just be a design hindrance and/or look incredibly lame and just not as good as a "painted" world. I don't even get the obsission with the writers anyway. There's nothing there of interest as far as I'm concerned. They are just a thing the devs needed for the story to make sense and it's cute that the "painters" are rivals with the "writers" who are implied to have similar powers to them. It's cool lore that should stay as cool lore and will 100% become lame the more they try to flesh it out and focus on it.

The Writers aren't even a "thing". They are the literal writers of the story "using" Alicia to "kill" Verso and create the story. Exploring any of this would be nonsense.

>>719193046
e33 tards get hyped at the thought of this. Just stop and think how fucking stupid this sounds.

>>719194220
Just a jest, most likely. "Not a dragon quest" or "not a shin megami tensei" just don't hold the same candle.

>>719195213
>They are the literal writers of the story "using" Alicia to "kill" Verso and create the story.
That would be absolutely retarded, make no sense, and the devs have never even hinted at this being a possibility.

>>719195075
Potion and Hi-potion. So drugs.

>>719193284
>Clea-focused game of her one-woman war against the Painters
I'd play it

>>719192908 (OP)
I absolutely dont care about writers and painters war, its one part of the story i didnt like.
But i think war is good idea to base it around, just different war. You had lots of striking artworks made after ww1, so i think ww1 veteran using painted world to process the trauma could be cool direction. Hell, he could be lost in the sauce like painters in og game too, memories of war turning his creations ever darker the more he paints

>>719195461
They have never hinted at anything else either

>>719195505
So like I said, it would look awful

>>719192908 (OP)
They fight turbo-hitler who is both a writer and a painter.

>>719195075
A jrpg with party management (well up until 16 at least) and a story about a group of young heroes exploring and saving the world from impending doom, usually with a twist of breaking a cycle or defying something greater than oneself. Recurring naming schemes for lots of elements such as items, monsters, characters, summons etc.
E33's world ended up being a confined cope painting it's hard to imagine right now how the next one incorporates anything from it into another story.

>>719195592
Clair obscur: expedition 6.000.000

>>719192908 (OP)
>first game is a success
>time to sell out!

corporate slop clair obscur, dear god no

There's no writers. Only a writer, and s/he is getting blamed by Clea because Clea is actually using her/him as a scapegoat because Clea can't handle her own guilt/anger.

Words, or letters, are the most basic of drawing, given meaning by the readers. So a writer, or to be precisely here, The Writer, is the origin of The Painters. God, basically. You vs. The God is basically what most JRPGs end up as, so it fits that Clair Obscur, a love letter to ye old JRPG, its final quest will be against a god.

>>719195864
They are called guild tho, your headcanons have no foundation in actual game text

>>719195576
Sure but you would need some reason to believe something as dumb as that. Them not having explicitly discarded it is not enough to claim it as a reasonable interpretation. Forget about just how dumb that level of 4th wall-breaking is on an aesthetic level, but even mechanically that would make no sense and would create all sorts of problems for that world.

>>719195605
>it's hard to imagine right now how the next one incorporates anything from it into another story
there's a lot of things they could do if they just keep the idea of painters hopping into mario 64 paintings, you could even make it some kind of mystery story taking place in the real world and you have to jump in different paintings to solve it or some shit

>>719195864
fucking lol.

>>719195991
The game is wrong.

>>719192908 (OP)
Some completely different story with the same gameplay, just like Final Fantasy.

>>719196363
>Young Clea, Young Verso, Esquie, FranFran, first incarnation of Monoco as party members
I dig it

>>719192908 (OP)
It will be about cool shit

>>719192908 (OP)
they kinda fucked themselves with the fake settings
sure they can make a sequel about the writers or other paintings or other families but it will never hit as hard as the first game because now you know that it doesnt matter anyway

>>719197146
It's not like the first one was the least bit subtle, you understood it was fake like 10 hours in.

>>719197271
but it hooks you with the fake story and reels you in with the mystery
now there is no hook and the mystery can be shrugged off as "meh its fake anyway"

Writers vs Painters probably. Or just Writers, then a third entry about the war.
I don't see Clio working as a main protagonist desu. She's a cunt, even if she's right about everything.

ANOTHER Canvas

>>719197631
>>719197271
>>719197146
The "it's fake so it doesn't matter" argument is an extremely low IQ stance. It's a fucking video game, it's all equally fake. Whether or not the painted world is the true reality of the game world is irrelevant because the characters inhabiting it have equally real (or fake) experiences regardless. The emotions and lives of painted people are worth no less than those of non-painted people. This should be obvious to anyone with a brain. Which is also why the Verso ending is the genocide ending and the only reason there are people defending it is that a lot of people are stupid and easily manipulated. The devs had to present the good ending in an unnerving light and the evil ending in a flattering light so that there would be enough idiots to defend it to make it a real debate.

I want an entirely new world. "Clair Obscur" is the series name, "Expedition 33" was this specific entry. It's meant to be an anthology.

sir no one from expedition 69 is answering their phone

>>719193864

There is no good ending. If you go with Maelle´s you can tell that the very perfection of the world she has created has made the truth evident to her. She just can´t believe on the whole thing anymore but she can´t let go either. On the other hand if you go with Verso´s ending the original world is not comforting either, mostly because they had to be real extreme and definite about it and write in stone that the Canvas gets destroyed and everyone die.

I mean, had Alicia decided to leave on her own couldn´t they have just kept it and visit it every now and then? People visit graves all the time. It didn´t have to be an either or proposition.

>>719193284

Writer vs Painters seems like the most interesting scenario and the one we know the least about though the game also mentions the possibility of a painting within a painting at some point so i guess that´s another possible, if less inspired scenario.

>>719198140
>Killing fake people is just as bad as letting one real person die

That's a pretty low IQ take from a person who can't differentiate from fantasy and reality. Even in the context of the games story siding with Maelle is effectively an assisted suicide as we're letting a young girl kill herself to continue playing house with her fake people who she herself already recreated once based on her interpretation of those people. The "real" Sciel, Lune, and Gustave all died at the end of act 2, and should have been your clue that what Maelle is doing isn't different from what her parents were doing from the beginning. It's fake, it was always fake, but like her mother she's content pretending to believe everything is fine when it isn't. It's why it hurts her father so and why her elder sister is effectively just ignoring the problem herself by furthering the destruction of the painting to ignore the death of Verso as well.

It's why only the Verso ending has even a hint of hopefulness to it. It's the one where the only one where the people involved can finally grieve.

>>719198140
The Verso ending is genocide but the existence of the painters is more valuable than the painted, because one needs the other to exist. The painting only exists because an unwilling demiurge is perpetuating it.

>>719194220
No, it's written
>Not a final fantasy
Which means they aren't talking about the series at all because FF isn't capitalized

>>719192908 (OP)
>WHAT IF LE PAINTERS... BUT LE WRITERS?
ALRIGHT NORMIES, IT'S TIME TO HOP ON OVER TO REDDIT. THEY DONT READ BOOKS (AND THEY DONT BITE EITHER! WOW!) PLUS THEY GIVE YOU FREE UPDOOTS FOR BASEDING OVER A POTENTIAAAAL SEQUEL FOR A FRENCH UESLOP GAME.AMAZING HUH? (ITS KYS)

>>719198473
People keep saying that she recreated them how she wanted but Sciel and Lune have memories Alicia cannot give them. Their chroma is theirs and they are brought back. If it they were just bad copies Verso wouldn't have gone with her plan and told right then and there the Painting is breaking her.

>>719195076
>The painted world is supposed to be a world of actual painted objects, thus you can see them
But then things make sounds, people talk and there is music.

>>719193243
And they can keep the Clair Obscure part for the sake of branding, thats what I figured they would do

I have over 100 hours in my NG+++. I have all Pictos and all my characters are maxed and can equip them all. Whenever I attack an enemy, the game lags for a bit because of all the fucking picto effects that pop up on the side. I chose the Maelle ending IRL and can't stop playing this stupid game.

Clair Obscure is just their "Final Fantasy" moniker. It's not going to be a game set in the same world.

For a sequel dealing with the Painters vs Writers conflict, I think Maelle/Alicia will still be heavily involved, if not actively (playable character) at least narratively through flashbacks, cutscenes and references because she seems to have been part of the writers guild or in some other way very involved with them.

A few hints noticed, feel free to add:
>there are two typewriters in Alicia's room in the manor. Only place you can find them there
>Clea mentions that while she was adventuring and helping Verso paint the Canvas, Alicia was in her room reading
>Painted Alicia speaks in very poetic fashion about Aline's creations at the cutscenes in Act I, similarly her letter to Verso also has a strong writing delivery
>nightmare with a party of people (the Writers?) giving presumably Verso a cake, same cake found at the secret room in the manor's kitchen
>blamed by both Clea and Aline of her involvement with the Writers costing Verso his life

She's too deep into the whole trama. I'm pretty positive she will be playable and by the time of the sequel, she will just be pulled out of the canvas, either by her own volition or by some outside force, and by then it will have been many years (in terms of canvas time where time flows differently) where she stood in Verso's canvas, enough to sate her emotional needs for the time being.

Of more dubious nature will be the status quo of other characters. I wonder if they will actually part and end (painted) Verso's role as an active character, or any other painted characters for that matter. I'd half expect Alicia to find a way to bring her painted friends to the reality layer above, which could make Lune, Sciel and Monoco playable in some shape or form, if not as party members, as "summons" of some kind. I'm speculating heavily here, but I think we can already begin to speculate what characters will be more actively involved, and which characters could come back. Clea and Renoir should be a given as new characters.

>>719199539
>He learned nothing from the game
Grim

>>719199636
This. I hope they never touch these characters again

>>719192908 (OP)
Suddenly, the Paintress returned.

I come from the future. The main character will be a black girl and /v/ will never stop seething.

>>719198908
Yeah Sciel and Lune should be a very essential continuation of their beings, with minimal corruption. They aren't just merely recreated by a painter who's (re)discovering her powera. In the initial cutscene of Act III Alicia has a moment where she 'sees' Lune and Sciel even through the gommage's red petals, which prompts her to immediately collect those petals and/or chroma and bring them back with her as they escape with Monoco, Esquie and Verso.

>>719193046
Nah, they'll probably just make a new cast of characters.

>>719192908 (OP)
>not Expedition 34
One job Anon.

I could see them turning it into Final Fantasy with new main casts but similar story beats with some differences to etch them out from eachother. I don't see them turning it into a Complete Works like Takahashi is doing with Xenoblade

>>719193046
That would be a very retarded direction to go in when E33 is about overcoming grief. Going from that to painters vs writers basically erased the soul of the game. It's kinda like the first Senua game and the second, it sounds good but doesn't work.

>>719202434
Wild thought but future games can cover future themes, it doesn't have to literally always be about a family overcoming grief and turning to addiction and escapism.

If they’re sticking to the same family, probably a Renoir prequel. He mentioned Aline saving him from obsession in the past. That way there’s room for new characters, they can elaborate on existing ones, and they don’t have to awkwardly push the story to continue where it left off. Time skip is an option too, maybe parallels with Alicia and her children.

>>719192908 (OP)
More pretentious shit. Can't wait

>>719202434
It'll just turn the series into Assassin's Creed. I can't think of a worse idea.

>>719192908 (OP)
They've already hinted that Clair Obscur will be a franchise exploring different themes and worlds. The only thing tying them together will be the mechanics, most likely. It won't be a sequel to a completed story.

>>719198820
Painters, Writers, Tailors, and Musicians.

>>719192908 (OP)
I don't really want a direct sequel. It'd be cool if it became a sort of anthology series, like "Clair Obscur: _____". That's something you don't ever really see in games (afaik).

>>719206712
I'd like it to be more of an anthology as well, there are plenty of other stories to tell in that universe. At the end of the day all of E33 was spent in a fictional painting and the real world is completely unexplored

>>719206404
and Gooners

>>719192908 (OP)
Another canvas (or other type of "fake" world), but the reveal it's not real will come much sooner, or not even be that relevant to the plot, or something.

I do expect one ending or the other will be the canonical ending for E33 with regard to the sequel, but I think the new setting will have only the barest link to the old one. Sort of like a Drakengard to Nier situation.

>>719192908 (OP)
Dead fotm slop astroturf game

This thread makes E33's story and setting sound really lame

>>719192908 (OP)
E34 will be an absolutely pornographic game with all licensed characters they can put their hand on.
It will be the smash bros of porn.

>>719192908 (OP)
Alan Wake Je’RPG

>>719207013
Truly the most powerful and terrifying.

>>719192908 (OP)
>what will it be about?

the writers will kill all the painters but its a twist because the thinkers come into play and think the painters back alive and then its all out war until the deciders return once and for all and decide the fate of all.

Where is the DLC?

>>719211456
no DLC, the story is self-contained and they don't plan to alter it in any way. They're very keen on the ending being ambiguous and not having a "canon" choice. The most I'd expect to see is a free update adding in a boss rush or something like that.

Any additional content in the Clair Obscur universe will be a separate game

>>719200208
Execute expedition 66

>>719192908 (OP)
Just more dogshit that does a horrid job of ripping off far better paced stories, aimed at black monkeys who think parries are good turn based gameplay because they lack the cranial capacity to play a real game probably.

>>719195076
>How would you even depict a world visually that was inside a text?
Sandfall can do it. I have faith in them. They're the greatest game devs to ever exist, if anyone can crack the code, it's them.

>>719198820
Troons will meltdown at this post

>>719192908 (OP)
Fighting the Writers. Plot twist will be that real Verso is still alive and was taken by them. Then the big reveal will be that he actually betrayed the painters and is the final boss. His actual personality will be more like Visages.

>>719198820
>THEY DONT READ BOOKS
You are on /v/

>>719192908 (OP)

Jetwashing in a tropical paradise

>>719192908 (OP)
It will be called Clair Obscur 2: Expedition 34, and it will be all about things that were in the first game, like "the writers" and "Clea's one-woman war." I honestly believe this and my IQ is 85.

>>719192908 (OP)
It'd be pretty cool if they focused on the war with the writers and the style of the gameplay was like a CRPG closer to Disco Elysium (but more combat)

A self-contained story from the camp of the Writers (or some other type of artist, Musicians or some shit) who go through the same or similar type of shit and the Painters only get referenced once off-hamdedly.

>>719192908 (OP)
I mean you can just do another story involving other painters and other painted worlds, obviously you can't keep the twist hidden again but you could do something interesting with people knowingly going into a painting.

>>719195072
This. Thank fuck there's still some non-shit eaters out there.

>>719211972
They haven't confirmed any of this shit you just typed. They might do the expedition zero dlc.

>>719222593
>writers
Watch them go full meta, devs are the Writers lol.

>>719193046
Both endings can be canon without even needing a retcon, just make Verso's ceremony on his grave happen after Maelle left the painting following Gustave (and the others) dying of old age.