Thread 719200291

What lead to this level of degradation? we can't even say top looks better, that would be something.

>>719200291 (OP)
why do you stupid fucking faggot neckboards keep posting crysis? those are absolutely dogshit forgettable games with graphics that aged like shit.

if you're going to post examples then post stuff from 10 years ago already.

>>719200291 (OP)
ai, jeets, knowledge transfer failure, brain drain, too much negative corporate (jewish) influence. it’s pretty standard late-stage capitalism stuff

>>719200567
Lmao this zoomlet is mad af fr

>>719200764
>too much negative corporate (jewish) influence
I think you mean too much Anglo influence.

>>719200846
You're the only mad retard here for making these threads and shilling that jank ass aged like milk halo ripoff. if you're going to use games use good games, retard.

>>719200934
good morning saars

>>719200291 (OP)
The fuck is wrong with your gamma holy shit

>>719200291 (OP)
The people making the games dont know the engines they are using and basically brute force the performance rather than fiddle with it it to get it to work as best as it possibly can.

>>719200567
Crysis is almost 20 fuckin years old

KCD2 looks way better than Crysis

It just always comes down to time/budget.

All these UE5 forests have the same palette.
Is the engine incapable of anything else?

>>719201191
Modded minecraft looks better

>>719200291 (OP)
>>719200567
Bottom is the remake btw.
>>719201108
>>719201034
Show me an game that matches Silent Hill 2. This screenshot is 540p internally with 4x framegen, I'm making it easy for you.

>>719201385
>This screenshot is 540p internally with 4x framegen
now show it in motion

>>719201179
and somehow people still only post images from the first two areas, or fighting the giant alien when its raining and dark. Do people just load in, play a bit of sandbox in the first two real areas then close game for a few years?

>>719201385
RE4R

>>719201549
It is in motion, so is this other screenshot. Also 4x mfg and 540p with plenty of things moving in the background to make it even easier.
>>719201635
I accept your concession.

>>719201385
Here's a game from almost a decade ago.
The GPU I took this screenshot on probably wouldn't even be able to launch SH2R, let alone run it decently at 4k.

>>719200291 (OP)
Crysis didn't even look like that
See >>719201108

>>719200567
op here, hit a nerve?

>>719200291 (OP)
why is so much mis-info being spread about this. doesnt look that washed out on my screen even without hdr, game runs fine on an i9 from the 10th gen and a 3070ti, settings are 4k on high with ultrawide support and have not noticed any frame drops in the first hour.

>>719202329
>mis-info
People posting videos showing off performance in real-time.
>Totally legit info
Random anonymous posters saying "works on my machine."

>>719202116
There's not a single thing in this image that is even close.

>>719202441
Sure there is, and again, it runs miles better, on much weaker hardware.
Here's another game from 6 years ago.

>>719200291 (OP)
>game studio chooses overexaggerated realistic graphics over art direction
>game looks flat and ugly, boring, stale etc
no shit

>>719202403
has it happened to you?

>>719202210
>>719202271
>>719202403
The crysis remake maxed out runs worse than ue5 games btw. On release the heaviest scenes would have an i9 + 3080 at 30fps or lower
>>719202551
Still not, have played all of these. RE7 also has the issue where you move the camera too fast everything just transforms + the textures are ass while still (for the time) needing an insane amount of vram for stable performance. Reflections basically nonexistant even with the rt they added later.
Still nothing that overall matches SH2 and Cyberpunk. Doom TDA, Alan Wake 2, and Indiana Jones can get close.

>>719202945
>and Indiana Jones
Lol
Lmao

>>719201191
>KCD2 looks way better than Crysis
It doesn't look way better, and it doesn't have a fraction of the physics Crysis has.

>>719202210
still looks way better, like in op it's just the same but with more saturation
your point?

>>719203127
The egypt level looks amazing, the vatican was probably the weakest part of the game visually, the distant scenes look really bad, but you look at them for like 10 seconds

>>719201108
wukong looks great tho

>>719200291 (OP)
i feel like the japanese have no clue what the real world looks like and don't know how to make good graphics in high fidelity. the only one from there that has really got it is fromsoft's elden ring. even ff16/ff7r isn't all the way there with its graphics

>>719208180
>ridiculous ignorant generalized statement
>Fromdrone
Name a more iconic duo.

>>719201385
>bottom is the remake btw
>remake
Zoom zoom.

>>719200291 (OP)
Delta literally has ps3 tier quality environmental textures and looks far worse than Crysis. And it even runs worse than the remasters of it. What a goddamn disaster.

>>719207957
Nigger you have no taste

>>719208895
>t. poorfag

>>719203127
Christ this is like, one of the first Ass Creed

>>719210183
It looks like ac2’s italy

>>719200567
What about Crysis 3

crysis remaster runs like dogshit and still only utilizes one fucking core

>>719203127
>>719210740
Brought to you by the power of RTX ;-)

>>719208535
am i wrong? and i'm not even saying elden ring was all that, the textures weren't there but the environments, draw distance, foliage, world design was there.

>>719200567
GET BODIED ZOOMER

>>719211053
SOVL

>>719210740 me
But without any of the >>719211437

>>719211113
>am i wrong?
Yes. Completely. Especially since you just went from talking about the real world to talking about Elden Ring's nonsensical fantasy world.

>>719200567
>graphics that aged like shit

Please explain. Remember: Crysis is from 2007(18 years ago)

>>719214834
>2007(18 years ago)

>>719203127
this is one of the ugliest games ever released

>>719215380
xbox 360 is 20 this year anon...

>>719201034
saar

>>719214834
>>719200567
reminder that most people have never played crysis maxed out since you have to edit ini files to unlock the true visuals
and yes they do have a huge effect on fidelity

>>719200291 (OP)
>unoptimized grafix over gameplay piece of shit on release
>gets hailed by /v/ as a classic masterpiece in 2025
God I fucking hate zoomers

>>719201191
>It just always comes down to time/budget.
Time sure
Budget? Kcd2 is one of the smaller budget AAA games,
You can tell the simple yet charming art direction and crytek is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

>>719203667
>It doesn't look way better,
It does certain clips look almost photo real.

>>719216630
Weak bait nignog

>>719200291 (OP)
bottom looks like crysis

>>719216472
Is there a modpack that unlocks everything?

>>719216738
No it doesn't. I've actually played KCD2 so I know you're full of shit.

>>719214834
and it shows

>>719216803
no shit

>>719210939
>runs like dog shit
But it runs better than and looks better than Delta. On a 5090 at 4k with maxed setting (can it run crysis?) you can average at 120-127fps out in big forest areas. It's a disappointment in many areas for certain. But for comparison sake it's relevant. Delta can barely hit 60 fps on a 5090 and doesn't look anywhere near as good.

>>719216865
idk but I have a repo of some crysis mods here
https://mega.nz/folder/AVhVWZBb#evI7-U12URq8azCX9irk7w
I had them archived because an old crysis modding site died

>>719216865
>I've actually played KCD2 so I know you're full of shit.
You must be blind and stupid, typing on your stupid brail keyboard.

>>719210939
The MGS 3 remake is bad but that remaster was somehting else, just objectively worse all around.

>>719200291 (OP)
Why is every gameplay I'm seeing of the MGS3 remake full of people that never actually use CQC and chokeholds?
They all just seem to spam headshots with the tranq gun. One of the favorite things I liked to do in MGSV at least was actually choke out enemies, or just slam them into a wall first and THEN just tranq them in the head for good measures.

>>719214834
this looks like shit lol.

>>719217178
>full of people that never actually use CQC and chokeholds?
People genuinely suck at stealth games.
There's a reason all stealth games are pretty much dead.

>>719216472
I feel like we don't get this kind of video game documentation anymore

I'm really tired of non graphics engineers trying to make objective statements about shit they don't understand.

>>719216472
I remember downloading one of those "uber-graphics" enhanced mods with that retarded overdone headbobbing like a decade ago.
Fun times.

I'm still convinced Demon Souls Remake was one of the best and still is one of the best looking games created.
Yeah the aesthetics were fucked but the fidelity was amazing.

>>719217298
Don't you think the average consumer has the right to ask why system requirements are skyrocketing while games still look identical to PS4 games? It seems like an unfair trade off.

>>719217461
Why the fuck isnt Bluepoint remaking Bloodborne like this? Who the FUCK is running Sony?!

>>719217493
you haven't played many ps4 games

I mean I think it looks pretty solid, aside from the washed out colors which could be fixed easily with RESHADE.
im on a 7800xt 7800x3d, haven't really seen any performance problems

>>719217290
Well ironically given the thread we're in, Unreal Engine games have such documentation and .ini edits. Similar form of mod loading too. But I know what you mean, Crysis and Oblivion were the last two games that had modders make guides like that I think. Maybe Skyrim counts too but I feel like a lot of the knowledge about tweaking that game came from the Oblivion community.

>>719217449
Those looked neat in clips, not so great for gameplay. I always laugh because the guy who made those went on to be the "HIRE THIS MAN" Nintendo guy.

>>719217461
It's easily the worst one ever. The fidelity was trash too.

>>719217298
>trying to make objective statements about shit they don't understand.
Just don't make your games look worse than Crysis and make them run shittier at the same time bro. Then we won't have any problems with you guys if you stop making excuses for your lack of optimization skills. It's apart of your trade that you've lost over time but we won't accept you going backwards.

>>719217689
The first huge FPS hit I noticed was here. I bet the boss fight here later will tank in performance lol.

>>719217668
Idk dwag, People really can't tell the difference between ps4 and 5 games unless digital faggorty points em out.

>>719217461
Elden Ring looks better.

>>719217668
Anon, pic related is a PS4 game.

>>719217493
Yes but that's not what I said. People are making assertions like "its because ${console} is garbage or ${engine} sucks" instead of actual reasons like the fragment shaders they're using are too computationally expensive, their LOD system is shitty, they're not doing proper culling, the highest level LOD is a million triangles for a rock etc.

>>719217720
I'm not making excuses. I'm taking issues with people who don't have technical background making spamming definite reasons as if they're fact when they have no clue how rendering pipelines work in the first place.

>but its not my job to know how games work just that they should run well
cool, don't buy the game because it runs poorly and shut the fuck up, spend money on games that do run well and vote with your wallet.

>>719201034
what's bottom right? it looks like die rise remade?

>>719217974
Yeah its the black ops 3 modded map from steamworkshop. Its honestly one of the best remakes I've seen next to mob of the dead.

>>719217091
I heard you like anal sex with Henry, you fucking jew

>>719217970
>spend money on games that do run well and vote with your wallet
Like 90% of the industry has trapped us with these unoptimized dumpster fires with an Unreal Engine sticker on them. So we're past the point of being able to ignore it. You guys doing your job poorly has negative effected all of us.

>>719217970
>People are making assertions
Fair, people are retarded.

>>719218050
does it have voice lines and and everything? does it let you call elevators? my friends refuse to buy BO3 for zombies maybe this can convince them if the mods are solid.

>>719201034
I don't appreciate how people ignore that MGSV was massively downgraded and still post bullshots

>>719218053
Oh no! you got me goyim, I'll leave for now...

>>719218050
I wish BO3's multiplayer had the modding/dedicated server scene its zombie mode has.
I was really hoping the game would get a shot in the arm and we could get some decent modded MP servers like the glory days of CoD 2/4/WaW modding.
Then again, I haven't played it since like 2022, so maybe things have changed.

>>719218178
This looks more like a stylistic choice.

>>719218337
It was a major downgrade to lighting, models, particle effects, geography, and visual effects and they slapped a piss filter onto the game to hide it.

>>719218337
and people like you are the reason companies get away with the shit they constantly do. Empty sockets for eyes and shit for brains.

>>719218117
You can just stop buying bad video games anon. With the engine I work on we target a 1080ti / amd integrated gpu as our baseline for 60fps (low/med settings). That's the biggest mistake most studios make now, they focus on getting shit out the door as fast as possible and use high end machines to dev on. Then there's no time to optimize or they try to dump slop out because they know they can patch it later (after they get the first round of funding from people who get the day 1 $90 edition of the game). It's an industry problem, we don't do that shit but yes its unfortunately widespread.

>>719218403
Alright i stand corrected
>>719218457
Left one looks much sharper.

>>719218457
why is his finger so long?

>>719200291 (OP)
consoles and the console consumer base

>>719218547
Based. You could argue the differences are subtle but if you have a keen eye, downgrades like this is massive and turn a nearly photorealistic and "next-gen" game into low effort console trash.

>>719218159
Yeah, easter egg and everything. The only issue I've ran into is when you choose whether you want to use the BO3 HUD that it bugs and swaps misty's and stuhlinger's icon, and you have to choose the HUD option and then choose the BO3 or BO2 weapons option otherwise it resets I think which is annoying, but everything else is solid, even down to who's who

>>719214687
when i mean real world, i dont mean just graphics i mean how everything is placed and designed. although fantasy, the hills, foliage, and how the peaks and vistas, player size to world ratio and overall world design evoke a real life lived in quality like say rdr2. something like ff7rebirth does not. the world feels flat and very videogamey. and most japanese games feel like this

>>719218178
>>719218403
>>719218457
>>719218630
blame the ps3 and xbox 360
also post that one ps4 vs pc image with the soldiers helmet lmao

>>719217886
When you really compare MGS Delta to the Forest Moon of Endor in Battlefront 2 it really does look like complete shit and falls apart. Battlefront 2 is actually well optimized so it even runs better (not to mention being more open than a PS2 game, therefore loading in more stuff). I don't have any 8K screenshots of it on hand though. Maybe i should go make a few. There's simply no excuses for this kind of crap to come out in this day and age.

>>719208180
You can feel this a lot in some anime/manga too. Bleach for example, the world design is just bad and dumb. But something like One Piece is pretty great.

I can't think of any games they've made that had really good world, and I don't agree that ER is up there. It just has some neat castles but that's about it.

>>719219419
The best part is, that screenshot isn't even nu-Battlefront 2, it's nu-Battlefront 1, from literally a decade ago (2015).

>>719219352
They downgraded that build for the PS4 and publicly said as much. The PS3 port was scaled down and they didn't care about it.
>also post that one ps4 vs pc image with the soldiers helmet lmao
that was so funny

Konami didn't put out bullshots for Delta because they didn't even make it kek

>>719219747
it honestly pisses me off that kojimbo got so much praise when he was pulling shit like this for years

>>719200291 (OP)
Crysis 1 is open world and Mgs3 is a very linear game with crazy gimmicks for avoid talk about how linear it is

>>719219694
Woah i didn't even know the screenspace reflections got that badly downgraded, and i suppose the actual lighting too. I'm fairly sure not even the PC version got it. I don't remember it looking like the 2012 shots of Ground Zeroes you've displayed. That's pretty crazy

>grafixfag thread
>no rdr2

>>719221373
The only difference between PC and PS4 were things like draw distances, they're basically the same.

>>719220021
what's even worse is how he nuts over himself, some of his tweets are so sad.

>I directed, mixed, edited, mastered, designed, playtested the second ever STRAND type game, Death Stranding 2: On the Beach all while suffering from my illness.

>>719200291 (OP)
>Muh graffix
>Muh Crysis
Being pretty really isn't going to change the fact that the game itself is shit.

>>719221892
Crysis is a good game though.

>>719221943
No it fucking isn't. It's an utterly mediocre shooter with a stupid campaign that is ONLY remembered because it graffixmogged everything else at the time and because of the "can it run Crysis" meme. It was nothing more than a tech demo masquerading as a game.
Crysis 3 shits on it both graphically and in gameplay.

>>719200567
Hairy troon hands wrote this

>>719200291 (OP)
Now post what Crysis looks like from a similar view as MGS3 here. Crysis was impressive but looks like absolute ass now. Horrible texture and model quality.

Red Dead 2 looks really good

itt: the most insufferable graphicsfaggots, you people should fuck off from this hobby

>>719201034
Far Cry is a halo ripoff now?

>>719222673
Watch out lads wet got a pixel shit enthusiast here

>>719200291 (OP)
Top is a ps2 game and bottom was a pc tech demo meant to showcase graphics and physics

>have your artists actually do their job and create a graphical style for your game
>it's now memorable, timeless, and instantly recognizable while the latest realism slop looks totally outdated 5 years later
simple as

>>719222802
I dont play pixelshit dipshit

>>719202116
My old RX 580 ran games without problems all the way to 2022, meanwhile my rtx 4070 stutters with most AAA games, it can't go beyond Medium settings in MH Wilds btw, and they had the audacity to include ray tracing options

>>719217461
It sucked as a remaster/remake, being very unfaithful, but I'm not sure if there's any other game on ps5 that looks and runs this well all while maintaining an overall sharp image.

Why not compare it to the MGS game that came out around the same time as Crysis? Oh right: because MGS4 looked like hot garbage too and that wouldn't work for your "Old good. New bad" bullshit

>>719222140
>It was nothing more than a tech demo masquerading as a game.
Tech demo argument goes out the window because Warhead exists. And the sandbox gameplay was superior in 1 and this game to 3. So was Crysis Wars, the multiplayer component was even better than 3's one.

>>719222890
true true

>>719223163
But the whole point is that Crysis got a remaster that updated it's graphics in a way that makes it ripe for comparison with Delta. Since Delta is also an update of the graphics of a game. Crysis remastered not only still looks better but also runs better. It's a valid comparison in this kind of scenario.

>>719222140
You've never even played it retard.

>>719222890
>some literal who indie shit
>memorable, timeless, and instantly recognizable
pick one

so go play crysis instead of bitching on vee about how your poorfag pc cant run the newest game lmao

>>719223163
MGS4 looks good though you're just saying it looks bad because it's rendered at 720p.

MGS4 > Delta in graphics and it's not even close.

>>719223480
>But the whole point is that Crysis got a remaster that updated it's graphics
Things that didn't happen. They downgraded the graphics.

>>719201034
top left does not look like that without reshade unfortunately

>>719223675
hello newfag. just started gaming this year?

>>719200291 (OP)
With the remake I never thought we’d be nostalgic for Filters in a video game

>>719223807
You're an indie shitter, you are a freak.

>>719200567
k

>>719221943
its ok for like the first half... honestly prefer crysis 2 and 3 more even though the spectacle of the first is pretty much gone
>>719223776
thats how it looked before release at e3

>>719223859
weirdo

>>719223183
damn I miss when every main character was a white guy with a shaved head

>>719200567
.

>>719223757
Yes they downgraded it many areas, but they added things like hardware raytracing. Therefore it is an 'update'. I'm not going through everything i know that they downgraded, the list is probably long. But it still looks miles better than what Delta is to be considered indeed a degradation of everything. It's a valid comparison of going backwards in graphics and not really needing the required hardware it asks for. I hope that makes perfect sense and you'll stop twisting it into something of where the blatantly obvious is not apparent. That Delta is atrocious.

>>719200567
UE5 will be remember for........ nothing

>i-it finally aged!!
>it only took 18 year!

notice the trees reacting to the helicopter, knowing it's not a scripted sequence. I bet MGS Delta doesn't have this.

>>719200567
classic one

>>719201573
>Do people just load in, play a bit of sandbox in the first two real areas then close game for a few years
Unironically? Yes, this is literally what Crysis was used for back then. It was a hardware testing game, idk anyone that actually played that game all the way through but I did know a lot of people who used it to test their new stuff.

>>719224052
It looks worse, it's not an upgrade.

>>719217231
Compared to what?

>>719224097
I guess you're afraid of the color filters? The game still looks good either way. By far the best looking PS3 game.

>>719200291 (OP)
Didn't we have this thread yesterday?

>>719200291 (OP)
you trannies still seething huh

>>719224426
this is /v/

we argue about the same things for decades

bf6 looks like shit compared to bf1

>>719224530
what game?

>>719224530
BF1 is hard carried by its aesthetics and colour design. If you look closely the textures are noticeably worse than BF6.

>>719201573
Crysis 1 is boring as fuck, you fight korean soldiers (they cant harm your fancy armor) except the last 10 minutes of the game, when Phophet fight the aliens

I've never dropped a game for bad graphics if it had good gameplay, but I've dropped a ton of games with good graphics because they had shit gameplay. Graphics are superfluous to gameplay, and realism was never meant to be a goal of video game graphics. Imagine the kind of gameplay from AAA studios we could have if they didn't spend 75% of their budget on a team of 5000 Indians drawing realistic brick wall texture #9275. Realism is a cancer on the industry and art in general.

>>719222875
>Top is a ps2 game
80 dollars remake of a ps2 game.

>>719224719
you don't fight them you slaughter them with all kinds of vehicles and wepaons, that's the fucking point you boring fag

>>719224732
this is like bragging that you fuck ugly chicks

>>719224314
>It's not an upgrade
I said update. Can you read? the idea of updating something, much like Delta could mean to use technologies that weren't available previously. Therefore using something like hardware raytracing makes it proper comparison with the MGS remaster/remake. Since it also shows off similar features. If you're implying that MGS Delta looks better than Crysis's remaster then you are objectively wrong about that, in visual fidelity it's inferior. It's not well optimized, but it's better optimized than MGS Delta. A high end card on the Crysis remaster will still net you a higher framerate at 4k, whilst looking better. Opposed to Delta which can't even remain a stable 60 fps on any high end card.

>>719224623
i couldnt care less about texture quality/resolution, i want a visually appealing game which bf6 isnt

>>719200567
This is an openworld game, while MGS3Delta zones are tiny in comparison

maybe 25% or so of the top selling games of all time are going for anything even resembling realistic graphics. gameplay is king

>>719224732
This this this

>>719224791
He's not wrong though, and ugly chicks aren't the same as games that don't have incredible graphics. The graphics only matter insofar as the game itself is good, and even then it's all still carried by the artistic design instead of graphics themselves. Graphics can be good but the heavy and super expensive emphasis game devs put on graphics in the modern day is retarded and destructive.

>>719200567
Crysis is the peak of vidya
If your game doesn't look better than crysis then I'm not playing it

>>719224732
Are you saying that because this has good gameplay, you aren't gonna drop it?

>>719201369
True but not that mod wtf am I even looking at

>>719207957
wukong has no clarity, the visauls are a fuzzy mess and the performance is stuttery garbage so bad even removing denuvo woudn't fix everything.

>>719200291 (OP)
>Degredation
MGS3 predates Crysis by half a decate you mongoloid shitskinned faggot.

>>719227014
>MGS3 predates Crysis by half a decate
no it doesn't...

>>719218468
>You can just stop buying bad video games anon.
Very nostalgic anon. It's like I'm really back in 2005 again!

>>719227065
MGS3 came out 2003. Cysis came out in 2007. Close enough.

>>719224530
Eh, more like drab, ruined cities look worse than green mountainside.

>>719226559
Bro i JUST started learning blender like Jesus Christ gimme a break