Thread 719218237

Streamers are literally stealing and profiting off of hardworking developers

>>719218237 (OP)
>streamers already get a free copy to try and stream to shill
>use pot of greed
>more fuck license shit make shit even worse for everyone else
>have to wait for green lite
nah fuck off

There is nothing I hate more than a game dev. I call my friends game devs as a slur, usually only topped by games journalist. I wish I could find ways to reverse their money stream.

Once you sell a game the transaction is over and the owner can do what they want with it. Might as well argue that devs should pay streamers a portion of any sales made from watching them.

>>719218237 (OP)
Lmao, you contrarian fags will literally side with anyone but the guys actually making games, honestly you deserve how shit games are now, hope the industry crashes and the government either takes away your games and/or censors them

>>719218237 (OP)
>/v/ is unironically defending e-celebs now

>be streamerfaggot
>play videogames for a living
>make millions yearly
Yeah this shit needs to be regulated
It's life on easy mode for lucky fags

>>719218237 (OP)
What's stopping devs from quitting making video games and become streamers themselves? No one forced them to make video games.

>>719219051
The problem is, yeah they're figuring out how fucking stupid it is to actually make worth while shit when they can just blab over games.

>>719218237 (OP)
>make game
>stream your own game.

Streamers shouldn't be allowed to make any money at all, and devs should have all their games pirated.

>>719218237 (OP)
Day by day, we have less and less of a comeback to this.
I think it's time we let devs control the monetized streaming of their hard work.
>>719219127
I want to make game, I don't want to become a fucking e-celeb. I want my game to get attention, not me!
Is the concept of not wanting everyone to constantly look at your face just completely lost now?

>>719218237 (OP)
I can't believe KAngel is such a leech

>>719218237 (OP)
Welcome to capitalism, where the illusion of value is not a bug but a feature.

>>719218237 (OP)
If you're making a game because you wanna be the next Stardew Valley or Undertale, you're making games for the wrong reasons.

>>719218237 (OP)
>release demo
>get donations
>update game and add content only when certain amount of money have reached
>repeat and release full version
>start a new project

>>719218237 (OP)
Looking at this practically, 99% of streamers earn jack so it's ridiculous to even conclude it.
Of course the top 1% of streamers make shit tons of money but that's why they are the top streamers. They'd likely be making money doing regardless (as long as it meshes with their audience).

>>719218760
>and the owner can do what they want with it
Go on then stream a bluray movie.

>>719221320
>ToS: faggots that earn some amount from streaming are required to purchase a commercial streamer license FUCK YOU STREAMERS FUCK YOU DIE IN A FIRE
There that wasn't hard.

>>719221320
>They'd likely be making money doing regardless
ESL

>>719218237 (OP)
>be a publisher/dev
>literally give streamers and "influencers" free copies to advertise your game
>this is either a monumental success for the game's popularity
OR
>it backfires because your game is a story-driven movie-game. or because the game is simply too niche, so people would rather watch the game being played than buy it themselves

>in any case this is seen as loss of profit, and is blamed on the streamers (despite wanting streamers to give your game attention in the first place)

Streaming should not be as profitable as it is, but watching these jesters want the streamers to be taxed for playing their game is just pitiful and funny

>>719219051
>why draw art when you can just gen with AI
Nigger logic.

>buy game
>start playing
>suddenly have to pay the "devs" (aka publishers) again because my cat was looking at the screen

nah go fuck yourself OP you disingenuous greedy nigger

I think streamers are a problem yeah, but the solution isn't revenue sharing, it's mass genocide of everybody who watches them and donates to them

>>719218237 (OP)
Make a better game which is actually worth playing then

>>719221738
Then they'd just play something else.
Why would they want less people to look at your game just to spite 0.000000001% of people though.

>>719223890
Don't pretend like you wouldn't if you could, fox.

>>719220630
>Play game
>Make 5 times your life income in one month
lol

Streamers are the sportsball for zoomers. The lowest couch potato entertainment that lets you pretend you're in a community.

>>719218237 (OP)
There are already better ways of making sure nobody streams your game.

>>719222754
artificial intelligence derangement syndrome (aids)

>>719218237 (OP)
Too many games, too many game devs, time for WW3

>>719219117
If you make games to make money then you are already a soulless husk of a person. Creative works without the passion is faggot shit.

>>719218237 (OP)
Pretty fucking funny considering that every time a big release comes out every big streamer out there gets paid by the marketers to play it.

>>719218237 (OP)
People who give money to streamers do it because they like the streamer or what they're doing. They don't really care that much about the game they're playing aside from some funny moments they can clip.
There's no argument that they would have bought your game, because they would have just not sent a super chat or whatever and bought the game instead. Shit the entire reason why devs give out free copies to streamers and try to get them to stream because it's really cheap advertising. The money they pay to streamers is a tiny drop in the bucket compared to all their other marketing strategies.
Besides, you can just make it so you announce no streaming allowed for your game and DCMA anyone who streams it if you think it's theft or some shit. There's nothing legally stopping you. If you have such an issue with it, you legally do have the right to shut it down if you wish.

tipping culture is getting out of hand

>>719218237 (OP)
>actors earn more from reading scripts than writers earn from writing them
In other news, water is indeed wet.

>>719218237 (OP)
they act like their game has any more value than to be a vessel for commentary. twitch chat doesn't even give a fuck what the streamer is playing, they just like the streamer

>>719218237 (OP)
I don't see why games are allowed to be recorded or streamed in their entirety and put on the internet, but movies are protected. All those viewers get a free 10-20-or even 100 hour experience.

>>719228656
Game devs don't want to disrupt what is essentially a free advertisement. Viewing gameplay is different to viewing a movie; you are actually missing out on the experience of playing it. Most devs currently believe that streamers drive game sales.

>>719228832
I guess that makes sense, but where do you draw the line at when you get 1 sale per 1k views and the 999 other people are fine with just watching?

>>719229001
I don't know. We may one day witness a jealous megacorp set legal precedent (If I had to guess it'd be nintendo) but right now nobody has put serious effort into shutting down streaming of their game as far as I know.

>>719218237 (OP)
>Pay game devs what they're worth
I already am

>>719218891
I mean, let's be real, the percentage taken from the streams, is going directly to the pockets of the CEOs not the devs. The problem at its root is always devs being underpaid. Devs everywhere needs to demand some form of royalty payment in their contract.

>>719218891
Crash what? Take away what? They're just making shit these days.

>>719218237 (OP)
That's like saying that a business making money off of operating inside a building is stealing from the construction company that built the building.

>>719218891
Do truck manufacturers get paid residuals based off companies and truckers that make money using their trucks as a tool?

Streamers may be fucking niggers but this is dumb

>>719221738
Streamers stop streaming games, you lose free marketing, noone wins, but at least you corrected this percieved injustice and your butt is no longer hurting.

>>719230942
Commie logic is overly simplistic, reductive, and overall retarded anon. You are better than that.

The problem is manifold. The supply of wannabe developers is too high, making developers easily replacable. The standards of the average gamer are too low - he willingly pays full price for slop and then purchases microtransactions on top of that - so replacing developers has no drawback. Rockstar developers have too much incentive to leave after a smash hit game. "Muh CEOs" is not the root cause of all of society's problems.

>>719230942
Too many people want to make games so companies can get away with a lot.

>>719218237 (OP)
>make hammers
>how dare he use my hammers to nail boards together without compensating me!!!1!
?????

There's 100% ALREADY a mechanism for this. Most companies just dont do it because it's free advertising.
If you dont want your game streamed just include it in the EULA and say if you want to stream it you gotta pay for a license.
In fact you dont even need to put it in a EULA, you have the right to tell youtube to take down Let's Plays of your game. People literally cant comprehend this happening because of how normalized it is but Let's Plays and streams are still absolutely in a legal gray area.
It's so gray in fact you can even put out a notice saying you give everyone the right to stream your game and then just turn around and strike down content anyway. Yes that situation actually happened.

>>719232618
>It's so gray in fact you can even put out a notice saying you give everyone the right to stream your game and then just turn around and strike down content anyway. Yes that situation actually happened.
That sounds illegal. You can't grant people a right and then take it away without a clause saying you can change your policy on that particular right with notification to contractually affected parties.

>>719232618
>pic
But why?

>>719233006
some devs want to speedrun their demise, it's a weird fetish

>be you
>gamedev
>before applying to gaemdev .inc you are presented with a contract
>contract states you get x amount of dollarydoos per hour for your work
>you happily accept contract
>"wait a minute, glub shitto on YouTube is making more money playing my game than me"
I'm sorry you suck at salary negotiation?

>>719233006
Pewdiepie is a nazi and the devs are huge lefties

>>719232002
Quality>quantity. There's literally nothing wrong with spending some money to nurture talents within the company instead of replacing them with fresh grads with shit pay. Just because there's an abundance of devs, doesn't mean each and any one of them are as good as the ones they release. The problem is still unironically the CEOs. They could easily choose to cut some of their yearly earnings, but they don't, they'd rather take as much reward as they can while doing nothing of the lifting other than gambling their money away, or as they would like to call it, "investment".

>>719233074
pewdiepie said the nword once by accident

There's a worrying amount of people that want to control how I spend my money. Especially in this thread

>>719233291
There's literally nothing wrong with telling people to not be stupid with their money, you stupid faggot.

>>719218891
90% of game devs who aren't brown, women, or men who dress like women are drooling fanboys that would accept even the most ludicrous work environment and pathetic salary just so they can work their "dream job".
Blizzard developers have literally lived out of their car just to work at Blizzard
Fuck them

>>719233341
>I'll decide what's stupid spending and what's smart
Thanks retard

>>719233441
No problem, retard.

>>719218606
>bases identity around playing with toys
>hates the people who make his toys
many such cases

>>719233245
>Yes but if they just stopped caring about money--
you are a retard. can't believe I wasted my time replying to you

Yeah revenue-sharing seems fair.

>>719233527
You stupid retard, what part of nurturing talents that will then make better products for you do you not understand? Fuck, you bootlickers are fucking retarded with zero fucking imagination. Fuck you, you stupid prick.

>>719218237 (OP)
>CEOs earn more money for owning the company than workers do from running it

>>719218237 (OP)
I support this. Fuck vtubers and fuck streamers.

>>719233571
It's totally fair. Go ahead and try it no one is stopping you. Everyone will avoid your games while they get paid to do sponsored streams instead. 0% of 100k and 0% of 0 are the same in the end.

>>719218891
how brown do you have to be to just vehementyl take a side no questions asked even when its objectively wrong and their demands are 100% not reasonable?

>>719233878
Yes well the whole point is that only big corpo can profit from this and there is a call for change.

>>719218237 (OP)
Just stop giving money to streamers. It's not like people weren't streaming before you could make a killing by being an e-beggar.

>>719228656
watching a game will NEVER be equivalent to playing a game.

>>719218237 (OP)
People watch for the streamer, not the game

>what do you mean people prefer to pay nothing to watch someone play my mid game than pay me 60 buckaroos
Anyway I don't see devs of good indie games complaining about this.

>>719218237 (OP)
That means that your game isn't fun to play and it's better to watch it on YouTube instead of actually playing by yourself.

>>719228832
Streamers and youtube people drive game sales. Schedule 1 and Peak both made tens of millions in profit because of those people.
Word of mouth is still the powerful form of advertising, hence big corpos have paid shills on their payroll.

>>719234240
That entirely depends on the type of game, and what you as a player wants to get out of a game.

>>719218237 (OP)
Gamer fact: Streamers are fucking faggots and so is everyone watching them

Now this may come off as a little harsh to some of you but i believe that everyone involved in this should die.

>>719218237 (OP)
>THAT'S RIGHT, GOYJIN

>>719218891
I don't play indie games

>>719218237 (OP)
What the fuck am I supposed to do? I'm not the one paying the devs.

but streamers are free marketing for games

if a bigger streamer stream some shitty indie game that game will get more exposure and sell more, its literally a win win

this is why almost every game company send cd keys fro their game to every youtuber and streamer

>>719234853
If if can´t be differentiated playing a game and watching someone playing it, chances are that it is not even a real game (visual novels, walking simulators, etc).
In other order of things... lets make football players share their wealth with football balls manufacturers... after all, 22 persons who earnts probably 500k each match are doing it thanks to a ball that cost 50€ at best... Its fair!!!

>>719218237 (OP)
Literally kill every streamer now.
With rifles, rocks, whatever. Just make sure they are all dead.

>>719218606
holy fucking mother of cringe

>>719218237 (OP)
>celebs and onlyfans works get paid more than health care, social workers and scientist
the world isnt fair, get over it kiddo

>>719232784
What isnt stated as being illegal is legal. Like the anon said its a grey area, if you ware a streamer would you want to be the first to jump head first into legal uncharted waters or just comply with the takedown?

>>719229001
Why would you want less people looking at your game when you are competing with every game that will ever exist?
Those 999 could tell countless other people about it.
It's why no real precedent will likely ever be set because you have to be ridiculously short sighted (or stupid) to think that it'd be a good idea.

>>719235942
go back to redd it

just do this then
surely it wont backfire and kill your studio

>>719236068
Basically is
>Surgeon serves on a 8 hours shift to 10 persons
>Streamer serves thousands on each stream
It´s simple maths.

>>719236795
>saving lives is equal to entertaining people
what is wrong with you?

>>719236878
Correct me if Im wrong, but... does not the surgeon get paid more per life saved than an streamer for user view?

>>719218237 (OP)
Adapt or perish faggot
Learn to make more money than streamers or -ACK! yourself.

>>719236958
>does not the surgeon
learn to speak English properly
yes but it doesnt take away the fact they get paid less then streamers and onlyfans workers for doing significantly more.
people like you who defend this is what is wrong with the world.
go back to shitting in the street pajeet

>>719218237 (OP)
>Make streamerbait game
>NOOOOO PEOPLE ARE WATCHING THE STREAMER PLAY THE STREAMERBAIT GAME AND NOT BUYING IT
Nigger make a game that has gameplay, mayhaps?

>>719218237 (OP)
make my entertainment or fuck off. those are your 2 choices

>>719237076
That is proper english, pajeet

>>719237076
>learn to speak English properly
Sure, just for you, Ill start tomorrow.
They get paid MORE for less job
And let´s ignore the fact that only realy a tiny fraction of the streamers make that much of money.

>>719218237 (OP)
This is like saying Michael Jordan should have payed Nike millions of dollars to get to wear their shoes.

>>719227574
Did you read? It's about japanese indies

People need to figure it out already
There's so much money that you can just take for any kind of shit job
If streamers get paid more than game developers, it means that the streamers are able to take more money than the game developers, so maybe the problem is that the game developers don't have any way to have people give them more money
How much money could you possibly spend on needy girl overdose, even if you buy the game on every platform, get every special edition, and every piece of merch? The developer has a hard cap on what people can spend, and it's radically below the market value of entertainment in general

>>719237246
>MORE for less job
pajeet go poo in the street.

>>719237325
They already figured this out. That's why all games are being replaced by gachas.

>>719218237 (OP)
>Streamers are literally stealing and profiting off of hardworking developers
Its ok streamers are cute

>>719218237 (OP)
>get free advertising from streamers, without which they would get approximately zero sales
>nnnoooooo they should pay us too!
delusional AND ungrateful

>>719237347
You seem pretty traumatized by indians... is your father one and abandoned you?
How is it wrong? I already proved it to you, they do less job, but since it´s harder than streaming, its gets paid better.

>>719218237 (OP)
Not defending streamers here because I'd genocide them and especially their viewers in a heartbeat if I could, but why is other people making money a problem? This sounds extremely jewish. Why do nips get so fucking uppity about this? Why are they so over-protective of IPs?

>>719218891
The industry is crashing and GTA 6 is the cous de gras. Game s vs don't work at AAA studios anymore but still feel entitled to whine for more money from their customers of which streamers are.

>>719218237 (OP)
NSO sold great though

>>719236878
And how many times have you heard the message
>This stream/channel/podcast i found when i was at a very dark place/very hard times and has saved my life

If we take that at face value then streamers have saved more lives collectively than all the surgeons around the globe ON A DAILY BASIS!
And you cannot discount it because it comes from actual people that donated money on stream to say that and when you can pay and say anything on stream why say that? Why lie?
>streamers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>surgeons
These are facts!

Unless every game developer collectively signs up for this scheme all it does is ensure streamers don't touch your game.
Plus you'd probably get sued if you tried to bill a multi million dollar streamer kek.

>>719237527
>I'd genocide them and especially their viewers in a heartbeat if I could
> but why is other people making money a problem?
What is your problem them? Double personality? what do you have against them if they are only earning money?

>Streamers are literally stealing and profiting off of hardworking developers
They are literally not, and I don't believe for a second you don't know it. You made this thread because you wanted to feel good by seeing replies.
Also, game devs aren't entitled to the profit people make by making content commenting on their work any more than Toyota is entitled to the profit taxi drivers make by driving their cars. The constant attempts by various people (from game devs to music discovery platforms) to imply someone owes them money for existing is just an extended form of rent-seeking.

>>719237475
>they do less job
>less job

>>719237618
Streamers and their viewers are all fags and the content is cultural AIDS and bad for video games. I don't have a problem that they make money from doing it, I just have a problem that they exist at all.

>>719218237 (OP)
Japanese indi devs would have 0 sales without streamers

>>719218237 (OP)
The revenue sharing is that people will buy the game after they see a content creator play it, its basically free marketing

>>719218237 (OP)
"proxy internet friend scamming children and the mentally ill" is such an awful excuse for a "job". More than anything it's this type of shit that makes me wish for societal collapse either with the power going out and ending the whole charade, or AI streamers that will syphon all possible money away from retards which will then be unable to reproduce so that natural selection can completely exclude anyone who is stupid enough to donate to useless streamers just playing shit games on loop while making loud noises or indulging in weird and niche fetishes.

>>719219036
We need to start killing commies with hammers

>>719218237 (OP)
Think Nintendo also had that idea a decade ago. That was why barely anyone did lets plays of their games back then

Maybe the tranny should've made an actual game then.

>>719218606
>I call my friends game devs as a slur
Hahahaha

>>719221680
He said game, not any arbitrary media, you raging faggot.

>stops playing your game
>your game gets no free advertising at all
lmao lol

>>719218606
>I call my friends game devs as a slur, usually only topped by games journalist.

Why are japs so fucking retarded? I hate ecelebs but some well known streamer that actually earns some money trying your game is literally the best possible ad you can get

>>719218891
Everyone here has been pining for a game industry crash for almost 20 years now. Game developers, just like the publishers who enable them, are the lowest form of subhuman trash humanity has to offer, they are as reviled as rapists and thieves and it is a reputation so deserved. Everything they do is self serving and driven by insatiable greed. There is no innovation, no desire to make a game for the joy of making games. It is all cookie cutter derivative shit, aimed at exploiting the player for as much money as possible, far more than a worthless commodity like a game deserves. Indie developers are arguably the worst of all, for they only know how to steal ideas and try to recapture the glory of games and ideas from the past. And here you are riding their dicks like a worthless little pig raping faggot.

>>719237653
Amoun/=importance

>>719238596
Judging by the pic, because the ones complaining dont make games, they make streamerbait
The logic is retarded anyways, because said streamerbait could get maybe a couple sales they are not getting otherwise
Point is, they dont make actual games so watching a streamer play it is enough for most people, but streamers not playing it would change nothing

>>719218237 (OP)
If devs were smart they would make games for themselves and stream them without releasing. They could even hire stream monkeys to play them. All in-house.

>>719218237 (OP)
Free market?

>>719218237 (OP)
Wait I thought the japanese would be the based voice of reason, you're telling me they are just as rent seeking as everyone else?

>>719238774
>streamerbait

Is this something like Getting over it and other rage games? I would still argue that regular people will also buy it to compare their skill to the streamer and some such.

>>719237289
I do read it, I just choose to interpret it as I please.
;)

>>719218237 (OP)
You can't deny that this is like if parents demanded that their OF whore daughters pay them revenue because the whore's body was created from the parents' genes.

>>719218237 (OP)
>make reactionslop
>act surprised and chimp out when plan backfires as people go watch streamers react to it instead of playing it
>not the least bit glad when said streamers and ecelebs get their audience to buy the game
the entitlement is off the charts
>>719218891
>no you see goy, whenever you use a hammer you should give money to the guy who made it
how about you shove a cactus up your ass

>>719219036
Its regulated by the fact theres fuckloads of streamers

>>719238784
Lmao this. How did no one learn any lessons from yanderedev/piratesoftware/ any other forever patreon project ? Narrativize the gamedev process and you'll have a captive emotionally invested audience, cut out the middleman (streamer), become the parasocial relationship.

>>719227192
You might have had a point but games aren't art, they're just products.

>>719218997
>yes goy let the copyright kikes win
how about fuck both sides? rent-seeking is just as if not more sickening than being an attention whore eceleb
>>719219253
>yes goy give the copyright cartel more power, let them fuck you in the ass
would you be happy to pay money to microsoft every time you use your computer to make money? that's what you're proposing but for games

>>719220630
>get donations
>update gam- *TIRES SCREECH*
>release very meager monthly updates, sometimes skip deadlines and drag it out for as long as possible
>never finish making game

>>719218237 (OP)
They make a good point. Howcome for-profit streamers don't have to pay a royalty for all the games they play. You have to separately pay up for any other form of media to play it for an audience while soliciting donations. Movie theatres can't just bring the bluray from their home and sell showings of that to people. Radios can't just broadcast spotify.

>>719228832
>>719229059
Video games should just be completely hidden and not even marketed, just shadowdropped onto store shelves with no labels so you don't even know what you're getting until you play it.

>>719218237 (OP)
I honestly believe that we as species would benefit from outlawing streamers forever. Or at least make them pay huge taxes.

>>719233161
You don't sound all that sorry....

Take into account that the dude is Japanese, and Japan has traditionally had fucking insane laws and culture about copyright and how rights of the IP holder come before rights of a product's buyer.
It is not that strange view from a Japanese dev, considering that it is a culture where manufacturers of electronic devices can sue people who just tinker with them because TOS is a sacred and legally binding contract in eyes of Japanese courts.

>>719234240
Mouthwashing
>>719237574
That's because tendies collectively forgot how great we all had it from Wii through WiiU where you could purchase individual ckassic games, now they drool every time Nintendo dripfeeds old games onto the Switch's emulator rental at a glacial pace.

>>719239289
It's transformative content. The example of movie theaters isn't the same since movie theaters are simply playing the movie, whereas streaming has an element of interaction with the person streaming inherent to it; and the person playing it adds another layer onto that.

>>719229059
>right now nobody has put serious effort into shutting down streaming of their game as far as I know.
that's because some corpos really benefit from streamer/eceleb promotion, so they can't just all come together to screech loud enough to pass a blanket ban.
what publishers want is the discretionary ability to bar anyone they haven't personally approved after a lengthy selection process to be banned from streaming. just like jewgle wants to ban any devs who haven't doxed themselves and given away their signing keys to the mothership from publishing apps

>>719218237 (OP)
>Pay game devs what they're worth
are you advocating for piracy?

>>719239762
Kek. Theaters have a level of interaction but you tend to forget that since you watch movies alone.

>>719239649
Japan has better laws than weimerica.

>>719218237 (OP)
Streamers are literally advertising the games. Companies pay tens of thousands of dollars for an hour of gameplay by popular streamers.
On that note, pirates are also advertising the game.

>>719239731
Retard I'm talking about the game in the image

>>719239762
So theatres doing "meme-along" screenings where audience is encouraged to yell loudly and throw chicken at the screen don't pay to license the movies because they transform the experience?

>>719237289
I know. The point was the dissonance between views, how some are willing to pay for what others see as a loss.
Also, streamers do indirectly promote games they play. A lot of recent popular indies got big because of streamers, and would likely remain in obscurity without them. Treating it as one way exchange is pretty jewish if you ask me.

>>719218606
>I wish I could find ways to reverse their money stream
Yarr harr, matey

>>719239080
>.not the least bit glad when said streamers and ecelebs get their audience to buy the game

factually untrue as proved by multiple case studies now. Streamers do not get people to buy games, period.

>>719219253
why are you ugly?

>>719219036
making millions playing video games is a 10 charisma 10 luck moment, the remaining 99% of suckers make exactly 0$ on twitch

noticed the same thing watching those street food youtube channels. they get tens of millions of views. those guys are definitely making way more money than the impoverished third worlders making the food

>>719218237 (OP)
just tax multimillionaire streamers more

Isn't it poetic that streamers and AI became popular at the same time and also have the same modus operandi? (leeching over someone else's work)

>>719240762
Dumb essexposter, streamers have been popular since early 10s.

>>719218237 (OP)
for me, all streamers and youtubers can just get deleted from the internet for all I care.

>>719231536
Yeah. It's called oem parts

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>>719237404
is she back? i really liked this kigu

>>719240513
sure thing faggot. do you think amogus blew up overnight because of magic? it was streamer eceleb faggotry that caused it to rise

>>719218237 (OP)
honestly, i want this to happen. i think it'd be funny watching all the streamers rage about it.

>>719232618
it's not that they don't want it streamed, if their game is being streamed and 100,000 people are watching it, then they want a split on the ad revenue the site pays out creators for it.

>>719218237 (OP)
i actually agree with this just based on the circumstance that most streamers aren't actually creating any content. they just say funny parasocial relationship thing over existing game. you can't do this over music or movies playing in the background. i don't even say this in defense of game devs really but more so against "influencers". burn them all to the ground

>>719242826
Anon, cult of personality has existed for as long as humanity as we know it. Do you think Stan by Eminem was written as a joke? Humans always create idols for themselves, it's just a natural course of things. C'est la vie.

>>719218237 (OP)
>stealing from billion dollar corpos as a job
wtf i love ecelebs now??

>>719243356
neon lights, nobel prize... when a leader speaks, the leader lies, i guess...

>>719230942
Even if they do get royalty, they would still need to release the game to get that money and various publishers like Bethesda have demonstrated that they're not above using wage theft, defamation, legal threats and cancelling games to force developers to come to the table for a new deal.
>>719232002
>"Muh CEOs" is not the root cause of all of society's problems.
It's a pretty major issue though.
>>719233527
>Yes but if they just stopped caring about money--
It's short-term money vs long-term money.

>>719218237 (OP)
Guess it's time for another round of youtube videos from 'content creators' talking about fair use over completely unrelated footage of them playing a video game.