Thread 719225523

ITT: post games that do not respect the player's time

>>719225523 (OP)
How does HK not respect your time?

>>719225597
It's too long and needs less content

>>719225597
urmmm. uhhh.... it had big open world, duh!
t. OP, probably

>>719225641
I can barely fit it in. It intimidates me

>>719225597
I feel like it's pretty obvious isn't it? most games don't absolutely demand thjat you fully engage with it. it's kind off bs, you look away from the screen for a minute and you miss some stupid little spot and now your searching for hours. life too fucking short to spend all my energy looking at the screen. there is responsibilites that distract you.

>>719225597
The perfect length for a game is 8 hours. I have never played Hollow Knight but I can tell looking at screenshots there is no fucking way it justifies a 20 hours time to beat or whatever.

>>719225523 (OP)
>>719225641
>>719225726
>>719225765
nta but you are braindead if you think Hollow Knight doesn't respect your time. In fact it actively rewards you for paying attention i.e. investing your time. That is the absolute antithesis of disrespecting your time.
I understand long games aren't for everyone and sometimes you do just want to turn your brain off, but just because a game doesn't cater to your specific preferences doesn't make it bad on its own.
Take your (you), you've earned it big boy.

>>719225765
No, the perfect length for a game is 3 hours or less, so that there is no filler or padding and you can replay it in a single sitting.

ITT: oldfags that shouldnt be playing video games

>>719225523 (OP)
>give me less
How about go fuck yourself?

>>719225597
Too much forced backtracking

>>719225523 (OP)
can't post pick because apparently some faggots got my country range banned from posting them
anyway it's gotta be Outward fuck that game

I fucking love games that don't respect my time. It just means that the devs are turbo based and put their design choices before crybaby retarded zoomie players.

>>719225523 (OP)
i hated this one too. what a terrible terrible game

>>719225641
being long is part of what makes it good but you wouldn't get it.

>>719226948
Not necessarily true but based take regardless. Keep on keeping on, anon.

>>719225523 (OP)
Please define "respects my time" as detailed as possible.
What are the criteria for a video game to become something that respects time when different users value their activities differently?

>>719227051
OP doesn't actually like video games and wants to get them over with as soon as possible so he can claim his imaginary social credit for having played .

"Not respecting his time" means the game is long enough to make this chore especially hard for him.

>>719226948
I don't know if you're sarcastic but I agree with your post to an extreme degree.
I love long and meticulous games, so long as there's an enjoyable content behind it and not the generic ubisoft collect-a-thon.

Hollow Knight is one of the most overrated games of all time and I'm glad more people are starting to open their eyes

>>719227351
Played it start to finish 3 times and loved it every time. I can't comment on whether it's overrated but I sure don't think it's bad.

>>719225523 (OP)
SEX WITH MY GIRLFRIEND (male), PHANTOM, WHILST HORNET WATCHES.

>>719225523 (OP)
Rainworld.

>>719225597
It's not a straight line that takes 1 hour to complete

>>719225523 (OP)
TRVKE

>>719225597
I am dad with a job and have 30 minutes per week for gaming
The devs should cater to me and not the kids who have all the free time in the world

>>719225597
>slow movement
>tedious death ghost mechanic that adds nothing to the game
>rancid eggs exist
>geo statues exist
>adding extra steps to what is at its core a very basic map system
>pantheon of hallownest
It's got some fat to trim

>>719225597
it has 10+ hours of backtracking

>>719225523 (OP)
how to spot a retard:
>game doesn't respect my time
>it's too clunky
>needs more QoL
>i respect the vision, it's not my cup of tea
you either engage with the game as developer intended, or you go play an insurmountable mountain of slop specifically designed to cater to you and suck out your money with microtransactions

>>719225641
You can fucking finish it in 10 hours if you do the Hollow Knight as early as possible are you dumb or what

>>719225523 (OP)
I win.

>>719231449
lol
lmao

>>719230924
Your logic is predicated on the idea that the developer intended it, therefore it is good. You're basically saying that no design decision can ever be bad or even discussed so long as the developer intended it and it's not a bug, and that's fucking retarded

>>719231520
yeah, i believe that because you cannot design objective metrics for "good" design
some decisions that work in specific games - don't work in others. it all depends on what the developer is going for

>>719231615
*cannot define

>>719230805
>It has 10+ hours of optional backtracking
There, I fixed it for you.

>>719225726
Are you mad that you have to pay attention to the game and can't play it while watching tiktoks on a second screen or something?

>>719231449
Yeah this shit seems incomprehensible to me

>>719231978
I was talking more about the RNG

>>719231615
Some decisions are in fact just bad.

>>719227162
Seems like a miserable existence, maybe he should just admit he doesn't like videogames, he can say that he "grew out of it" if it makes him feel better.

>>719225523 (OP)
all MMO's

>>719232064
give me an example

>>719232234
Tripping in Brawl

>>719232281
But what if you intend to get beaten up?

>>719225523 (OP)
Pretty much every single player Nintendo game ever since they went "3D!"

>>719232281
it doesn't work in brawl because it completely destroys pacing of an otherwise fast fighting game
it works fine in slower, more methodical games like fighter's destiny where matches largely revolve around opponent manipulation over rushdown

Every JRPG ever made except Chrono Trigger.

>>719232447
Gay tripping is gay

>>719225597
>backtracking that required unless you want to be powerless against bosses
>fake barriers aka "You can't get here unless you get a powerup! Oh, you got it? Better remember now the location of me! Oh, you pinned it at map? Did you bought it? Better remember what which pip means!"
>map faggot vanishes if you take a single step in new location
>tedious arenas

I spent two hours jumping on spikes and centipedes to see if there is something in the end, and got fuckall.

>>719232771
It must be hard being so retarded.

A game not respecting your time is a game that timegates progression.
For example being forced to do all side content to progress.
Or requiring grinding to progress, no matter how well you play.
HK doesn't do that, even if you don't know the map or what to do at all times, there are plenty of areas and content which is completely optional.
You don't need to play the Colliseum of the Fool, you don't need to beat the mimic boss and so on.
If you just want to get through the game and only play the highlights nothing is stopping you.

Fast travel anywhere at any time is the mark of shit desighn and not having it doesn't mean the game doesn't respect your time, it means the game expects you to respect it's map design.

>>719232771
kys shitskin

>>719232814
>>719232826
Seethe well, La Creatura

>>719231729
>DING
>DONG
>BING
>BONG

>>719225523 (OP)
At this point I'm convinced "respect the player's time" is just another way to say "this game that was not designed to appeal to me does not appeal to me, this cannot stand". Same with "bad game design".

>>719225523 (OP)
I dropped it at the 3rd world, because I knew precisely it was going to be a waste of time. There's nothing interesting to explore and nothing to collect except coins. Only reason you would actually engage in any of this filler is for muh lore like some wannabe Soulsfag. Why would anybody give a shit about these bug freaks or their dumb lore?

>>719233110
I wonder if someone autistic enough has tallied up the time for every route to only include the announcements (skipped) and battles (skipped). I think it legit might be close to 5-10 hours of just straight up waiting for things to skip

>>719225523 (OP)
Learning that quitting to the menu and reloading was essentially like using a homeward bone was a big QoL upgrade for me.

>>719233550
Not wanting to get into all the other arguments everyone is having here, but having RDR2 as an example ro that definition is a fucking travesty.

>>719225725
This, but also the entire series

>>719225523 (OP)
HK is not one of those games DOE

>>719225523 (OP)
you haven't played it yet huh

Here I am posting in a thread that doesn't respect my time.