Thread 719228301

>can't do anything sneaky while this thing exists
>spy is terrible at dealing with them as sappers are just removed
>players have to sacrifice themselves just to take it out
>another one is built 5 seconds later

>can't do anything sneaky while this thing exists
>spy is terrible at dealing with them as sappers are just removed
skill issue
>players have to sacrifice themselves just to take it out
normal part of the game
>another one is built 5 seconds later
if you didn't take the opportunity, skill issue
TEAM fortress 2

Gee if only there was a class designed for taking care of sentries from a distance without being harmee

>>719228301 (OP)
You might as well make the same thread for every class, breh.

>>719228414
>short circuit
Problem?

managing your sentry on payload and cp is fun though

>>719228301 (OP)
They're fine and can't do shit against an ubered soldier/demo/heavy. If you can't coordinate an uber push as the attacking team then you don't deserve to win. Simple as.

>>719228301 (OP)
have you considered cooperating with your team while trying to penetrate this fortress? you could try sneaking up on the robot while it's busy trying to kill the eleven other guys wearing the same color shirt as you

>>719228301 (OP)
I like to build, and I like to defend. That is my fun time. There are several classes geared to fucking up my day, so don't cry to me just because you can't be a scout and disregard my entire defending team just to grab the intel and fuck off with it.
To me, matches ending in 30 seconds is the real "anti-fun."

>>719228856
this

Engineer is the weakest class in the game. Fact. His only saving grace is the teleporter

>>719228301 (OP)
>players have to sacrifice themselves just to take it out
Bro just play as demoman and ask for a medic to ubercharge you, it's a fucking team game dummy.

>>719228654
I am Heavy Weapons Guy and your Diaper changing station is DEAD! And you are baby uwaaaaaah!

>>719228301 (OP)
>>spy is terrible at dealing with them as sappers are just removed
Good spies place the sapper right as their team mate starts shooting at it, stops the engie being able to heal the sentry cause all his swings go to the sapper. I see this all the time as I main heavy, spies sitting patiently on a nest and sap everything when I get there and start shooting.

Why is the amount of unlocks so small since 2013?
It's hats, more fucking hats everywhere

>>719228301 (OP)
>takes like 30+ seconds to setup
>gets destroyed by direct hit in 0.8 seconds
lol

>>719231062
The game was better when there was less weapons. All the new shit has all these obtuse rules and it just makes it more difficult to understand what the fuck just happened. Not to mention a lot of them are inferior to your standard ass shotgun secondary.

>>719229283
teleporter is good enough
the problem is he is a boring support

I don't hate that they're in the game, i hate engis who do nothing, i hate summoner classes in other games i hate characters that don't actually fight and let bots do all the work.

Its just not gaming imo

>>719231213
>soldier this low
>heavy and engie this high
Retard

>>719231062
Because so many of them already had to be nerfed into being near useless, the game doesn't need more loadout bloat and things fucking the dynamics.

>>719231162
heavy should only be able to use the natascha and it should have a movement penalty similar to the brass beast when spun

>>719231338
It is gaming.
You'll learn to appreciate it, especially if you're really lonely or solo.
I can even pretentiously state that it's true high class of gaming.
Make yourself a steak, turn on country music, set up shop and play engi.

>>719231213
Dude. Soldier has zero downsides, he doesn't even need to aim. I don't like soldier mains but it's because he's such a crutch.

>>719228792
uber is a stupid mechanic, takes too long to build it.

>>719231716
>highest mobility in the game
>second highest overall damage output in the game after demo
>extremely easy to play at an effective level
Anyone who doesn't rate solly on par with demo as one of the two most busted classes in the game has 0 understanding of tf2

>>719231716
demo can autistically spam way more. soldier spam does fuck all dmg, has to bomb to be effective which is actually commital and ballsy to do.
although soldiers can be gay and just shoot u around corners too.

>>719231892
well you atleast have to know where all the health packs are in the map you are playing, or else rocket jumping rapes ur hp

>>719232045
That knowledge helps every class, so it's not this esoteric thing only soldier mains need to learn. Health pack spawns is required knowledge to do your best in a map.

nah, any multiplayer game with building is fun
eat shit, scunt

>>719231382
>soldier
soldier is inferior to demoman 90% of time
6v6 doesn't count because it specifically bans, classlimits, restricts gamemode/map to promote soldier, scouts
>engie
teleporter is invaluable in real tf2
>heavy
literally strongest combat class

stop taking your opinions from secondaries at /v/ and actually play the game

>>719232882
>literally strongest combat class
You're bad at the game.

>>719228301 (OP)
>Who are Soldier, Demo, Spy, Sniper, Ubercharged Heavy
It's mindboggling how bad /v/ is at this game

>>719232979
that would be you
the tryhard meta is spamming heavy/demo/medic dipshit
real tf2 isn't like hypothetical crap you made in your head where every soldier pulls crockets and heavy has 1% accuracy

>>719233042
>no u
It's okay to be bad at the game anon. No need to take it personally.

>>719233042
Heavy gets assraped by Demo and Soldier easily, even with a medic glued to his ass. Even Spy gets a piece of that ass most of the time, because of how large a target he is. Soldier and Demo outclass him solely because they can output just as much damage and have more mobility.

The only way you can have a good KD ratio is by picking either Soldier, Demonigger, or Sniper. MAYBE engineer if you're good with the shotgun.

>>719233331
Exactly. Heavy is a monster in damage in theory, but it's not scary at all when you realize that he has no way of closing the distance. If you don't run around corners carelessly or run into heavies in a straight line the most the class can do is low chip damage while most attack classes ass rape him, and the rest can just flee an encounter and retreat. Only new players die to heavies.

>>719231734
you're meant to be healing all of your team, not just a single target, retard-kun.

>>719229772
Sometimes I play pyro and babysit the engi just to piss off the enemy team.

Fry the spy.
Airblast the ubered guy
Airblast the stickies
Mumble incomprehensibly

Problem?

>>719233671
Isn't it a basic pyro tactic?

>>719233168
>>719233331
>>719233609
thinking heavy sucks is dimwit middle bell curve opinion
only noobs get killed by spy the class that gets countered by looking at him
>but you won't be able to tell in the heat of battle!
sounds like a you problem
i and any other good player have no problem turning our mouse
literally nothing is stopping you from looking behind you for an instant every few seconds you tunnel visioning noob
>but demo and soldier do more damage
they don't
you just can't aim

to be more accurate proper demo spam does kill heavy but not in the free easy way you think
heavy is the prime stomping class as in 100+ killstreak consistently
no other class can do that

git gud

>>719234038
You need to be 18 or older to post here.

>>719234038
Pubstomping tards as Heavy isn't an "achievement", which is why you're going full on Dunning Krueger here. Get back to me when you're rocket and sticky jumping like a pro and wrecking everybody's shit. You can't, because you're not as good as you think you are and rev up gun and shoot is all you know, shitter.

>>719228301 (OP)
>another strawman bait thread
i cant do this much longer

>>719234201
oh yeah? tell me how you are supposed to kill a heavy 1v1 without another heavy or sniper?
>inb4 it's le team game i will just 12v1 him :)
okay how about a team full of heavy, demo, medic
now what soldier lover boy

>>719234254
Even a Scunt can take down a Heavy and the Medic stapled to his ass. You wouldn't know this, because you're straight up bad at this game.

>>719234254
>kill a heavy 1v1 without another heavy or sniper?
Scout, soldier, demo, sniper and even spy all rape him. A skilled pyro with the scorch shot and axtinguisher combo can also 1v1 a heavy in close quarters but that's situational. You're bad at the gamd and underage.

>>719234306
How exactly a scout is supposed to do that?
Get the jump on him somehow?
What if heavy is not a tunnel visioning retard and never get ambushed?
What now? Out damage his 500 dps laser?
>>719234348
>pyro, spy. the two meme classes rape the best power class
kek
>scout, soldier rape him
how?
by getting the jump on him? see above.

See this is exactly what I mean. Bell curve meme at full display. Dumbasses who think they are enlightened claiming "WELL IF THE OTHER PLAYER IS COMPLETE SHIT AT GAME I CAN WIN?"
this is just every single tf2 balance discussion ever

>>719234404
If you even have to ask, then I rest my case. It's time for you to get gud

>>719234619
>can't explain
good
now go back to getting dominated by scunts at 2 fort shitter

>>719234661
>Nooooooo, Scout actually can't do all those things because....uh....Heavy do damage!
This is just embarrassing for you. Pack it in, kid, your posting privileges in this thread has just be revoked.

>>719231162
You're not wrong at all, going back to OP the main reason engineer is so painful to fight against now is because of all the crap they gave him that makes defending so much easier
>free health boost on pressing your secondary key
>spam deleter 2000 (now with dispenser support)
>heal sentries without ever putting yourself in danger
Mods like TF2C have their own problems but playing a TF2 without so many unlocks is just funner

>>719228301 (OP)
demoman

>>719234798
The wrangler and short circuit do really need to fucking go

>>719228654
short circuit just has 3 shots. if you can't blow up a sentry with the anti-sentry class, you're doing something wrong.

is tf2 any good still bros i haven't played since like 2015

>>719234038
>spy the class that gets countered by looking at him
i WISH looking at the spy were a reliable defense to a backstab, it literally is not though because they can just swerve left and right and given that stabs are detected on their side, all it takes is for them to load your hitbox before your turn registers on their end. what's annoying is they then think they've "tricked" you when in actual fact all they've done is abused an exploit which is inexplicably accepted as part of the gameplay now

>>719234798
>dane
lol
lmao
>>719234873
Boring dull manthing.

>>719234495
Yeah, heavy mains who only play on pl pubs are like this

>>719234902
Supposedly it's less good. But I haven't played even longer, so I dunno.

The best part of casual tf2 is you can change classes at any point in the match.
There's nothing stopping you from going direct hit soldier or demoman and destroying the engineer's buildings in 2 seconds, which took him 60 seconds to set up.

>>719234921
just votekick the spy for cheating if he has over 40 ping

>>719234902
as long as you're on community servers, yes

>>719234873
short circuit is good, without that the only counter to projectiles is what, airblasts?

>>719231213
You will lose because I will bait 5 of your teammates into running backwards in the payload map by peppering them with my revolver whenever they come out of the spawn.
My contribution might not show in the scoreboard but it will show when you hear "You lose" being announced.

>>719234798
>>719234873
The wrangler has such a big weakness in that your sentry's autofire is completely disabled. The engineer needs to see the target which makes him extra vulnerable. I think it's an OK addition. As for "spam deleter"... it's just too easy to sticky or rocket a sentry to death completely unopposed. And nobody is THAT attentive that he's always able to flawlessly delete incoming fire. I don't feel like that's all that broken.

>>719235124
nah you can top damage charts with stock+spycicle+deadringer, but depends on the map. some maps are retarded and have nowhere for you to roam as a spy.

>>719235191
demo is the only class with 2 primary weapons and both happen to be aoe. he is the nigger of tf2 and ruins it for every other class.

>>719228414
that's the swordsman class though

>>719234404
>How exactly a scout is supposed to do that?
I'm a heavy main, I'm pretty good at the game, 5k hours and usually top scoring, and scout is probably the class that beats me in 121 more than any other. Heavy excels at medium range, if you have a scout running circles around you point blank and doing backflips over your head landing meat shot after meat shot it's fucking hard to keep your aim on them and they can fuck you up pretty quick.

>>719234878
>short circuit just has 3 shots.
if an engie is protecting his sentry nest with the shortcircuit, there's a 99% chance that he's next to a dispenser meaning infinite shots

>>719228301 (OP)
>Create direct hits to stop stalemates from happening
>Sentry guns are the primary reason stalemates happen in the first place
>Sentry guns are immune to random crit bonus damage

>>719234926
Dane lives rent-free in your head and you know it. Bro could review a rock and half of /v/ would scream about how “he’s ruining the meta again.” Let the man cook, ain’t his fault you lose to mini sentries on upward second every game.

>>719234404
>how does the class with a toolkit made to excel in 1v1s wins 1v1s
I truly wonder

>>719232882
heavy is good if the enemy are trash or have bad composition. A few spies and snipers will make the game hell for you.
>inb4 turn around
faggot spies take advantage of the fact that heavy is slow, so they wait for you to be engaged in a fight with someone else and insta gib you, same thing for sniper.

>>719235124
That Soldier is extremely accurate.

>>719232993
man, sometimes some sentries don't want to die. I mainly play with the direct hit and whenever i see a wrangled sentry i just ignore it now. I can empty 6 (six) shots on it and it wouldn't die, and unlike the rocket launcher, the splash damage doesn't kill the faggot engie repairing it and aiming it at me so it's useless. I've had multiple pushes where i was ubered as heavy and 3 feet away from a wrangled sentry, unloading every single bullet into it and it still wouldn't fucking die. My problem with sentries can be boiled down to the fucking wrangler

>>719235191
well its just boring and lame that it makes it harder to kill just because the engi equipped wrangler.

Post occasionally helpful tips
>Ubersawing bonk'd scout gives you Uber
>Picking up dropped medigun will give you its uber, but it drops extremely fast while on the ground
>Ubering enemy spy with vacc will bug him out and show uber shield even after dying. Until he switches class or smth

>>719235608
That's when you go seethe Spy and just hunt them down, even if you have to kamikaze it

>>719235124
>but call them valve cause they can't go past 2 on their PDA
rofl

>>719235124
Pyro, Heavy and Sniper are extremely accurate.

>>719235608
direct hit is super underwhelming. i have literally shot a sentry with every rocket i had without stopping and the engi just outhealed it casually, like 20 rockets.
you really have to be the nigger class to do anything to sentries.

>>719231162
The first few years of TF2 were fucking magical. With the exception of Demo being a little too strong, everything was nicely balanced. Now you have dumb community items ruining the artstyle and tons of weird weapons that fuck with the balancing.

oh and he didnt even use wrangler.

>>719228301 (OP)
>be me
>be smart
>be handsome
>be attractive
>play scout
>enemy engineer builds a level 3 sentry
>he can't aim
>mfw
>hop on top of his sentry
>ride it like a mechanical bull
>it explodes

>>719235641
Sentries are such easy pickings I don't think a soldier/demo has any right to complain about the Engineer class at all.

>>719235759
Yeah. I'm fine with a few of the first class updates though. It was mostly the stuff that came after that shat on my good time.

>>719228301 (OP)
Sappers exist to counter Engineers who would leave a sentry to lock down an area while fighting somewhere else themselves. They're not meant to take out a nest on their own.

>>719234306
>>719234619
>>719235482
you are dumb

>>719234798
Engineer is not even a problem without any of his unlocks. The only reason he "needs" this stuff is because they added the Direct Hit.

>>719235976
thats y sapper should be throwable so i dont have to instantly die the second i place one

>>719234798
>Mods like TF2C
nothing valve has ever done is as stupid as tf2 "classic" deciding to give pyro the FAN instead of scout

>bro sentries are easy just use soldier/demo
>try to corner peak a sentry for 1 second and take 40% of my life in machine gun fire

what you actually mean is "get pocketed 100% of the time and also hope nobody else on the engineers team is focusing you"

>>719235419
demoman fires faster and dispensers don't resupply you constantly

>>719236170
tf2 classic is just troons

>>719236170
The fags in charge of TF2Custom (nothing classic about this shit anymore) don't even try to hide their fetish for Pyro
>buff his Flamethrower damage, when everyone thinks it fucking sucks to play against they remove it, then wait a bit and add it back again
>give him a melee weapon that gives him guaranteed crits and health regen in exchange for... not dealing afterburn damage while dead (which is compensated for with the higher Flamethrower damage anyway), whoa what a trade-off
>give him aforementioned melee weapon in medieval mode, but because it wouldn't be a direct upgrade there they give him the fucking flare gun, in medieval mode, because god forbid their little baby class has to play on the same level as everyone else
>give him a Force-A-Nature, except it's easier to jump with, it's basically just a Detonator with no self damage, so he can catch up to even Scouts and use every flank route, in exchange for not having the Shotgun which is now useless because they buffed the damage of the Flamethrower
I just wanted TF2 with all-talk and without a ton of chaotic unlocks. Now I have to worry about a 175 class who doesn't have to aim with Scout speed and health regen

>>719236495
pyro flames are waaay too long range /or come out too fast. and the instant damage from being touched by them is way too huge. afterburn is just cringe because it does absurd dmg just for touching it for 1 millisecond also. its very gay to turn a corner and a pyro is in ur face so u just die, or at best u kill eachother.

>>719236587
He is basically just death on a timer, no dodging and getting out of range, you either kill him with your higher damage weapon quickly or you die. Which makes decreasing the time it takes for him to kill you a really stupid idea.

>>719233731
It's such a basic pyro tactic that he even has a melee weapon for removing sappers.

>>719236170
The Anti-Aircraft cannon is probably the dumbest thing they added
>reserve shooter minigun with splash damage and huntsman hit detection
>wonder why everybody fucking hates it 2 days into the update

>>719237073
>Heavy sees you for one frame
>Hits you for 50-80 burst damage as if he's a fucking sniper (or just outright kills you if he happens to have kritz)
From a class whose weakness is getting peeked and destroyed when caught out of position to this. This is fine.

The moment TF2C drops on Steam I plan on playing AA cannon and kritzkrieg and giving every new player such a bad impression of the mod that no one wants to stick around, hopefully forcing the devs to pull their heads out of their own axewounds.

>>719231892
It's easily the most disposable class in 6s and it's not much better in hl my guy
You going to argue that people that can stomp you in a 1v1 know less about the game?

>>719228392
>TEAM fortress 2

>>719228301 (OP)
Are you a scout main by any chance

>>719236829
The Homewrecker has no reason to exist, except to make Spy even weaker for some reason.

>>719235957
It really is that simple

>>719237714
Oh god that's hideous, he turned into a filthy cyclops

>>719234201
>Pubstomping tards as Heavy isn't an "achievement"
So you're agreeing with that anon then. Heavy isn't weak.

Tell me exactly what metric is it whereby heavy is bad.? It's been established with Compfags the only real reason they don't use him is because of rollout because when that was addressed with the old GRU compfags and went on record to acknowledge that it not only made heavy viable but that it caused them problems because it made the game unfun.

Meanwhile in pubs you get actual steamrolls which you've just sad isn't actually hard to do with the class.

>>719228392
>skill issue
The skill issue because that if the engineer is remotely competent then spy isn't working as a counter. It's openly acknowledged that the spy/engie match up is stacked against spy.

>>719238254
I remember telefragging engies when they stand on their own teleporter knocking off sappers

>>719238331
So yeah, your entire counter strategy is relying on engineers being comically inept.

I like this thing for sentry-busting
You'd be surprised how often the burst catches engies unaware

>>719236587
>afterburn is just cringe because it does absurd dmg just for touching it for 1 millisecond
That's how it always was. Time-based afterburn is cringe and I'm glad they removed that shitty nerf, Pyro should be a hard HARD counter to Spy, he should not be able to extinguish and disappear in a fraction of a second. You touch the flame you burn for the full duration every time, simple as, don't go near pyro if you're a cloaked spy.

>>719228301 (OP)
>Press 2
>Sentry has 648 health
Any worthy Engineer just pulls this out whenever he sees an uber coming and sits back knowing he will tank the damage

>>719237868
Not a scout main myself but.
>design a game where the entire point is everyone finds a class that appeals to them, the big winning formula being how that gives the game a broad appeal due to how differently the classes play
>suddenly surprised it's a problem with certain mechanics in the game make it difficult for players to be able to play their favourites

>>719238648
>can't into war

>>719228301 (OP)
spies died when cosmetics became a thing. the whole game died as a result not long after.

>>719233609
Heavy is a defense class

>>719239037
>everyone thinks running around with glowing shoot me marks on their heads is okay
pretty much

>>719238648
>the entire point is everyone finds a class that appeals to them
lol "maining" was never encouraged

>>719231213
Seething shit like this is why I main soldier.

>>719228414
flicking shots at sentries from long range with the LnL may be the most satisfying high I get playing the game.

>>719235214
oh absolutely but I've found out that people will get mentally more dominated if I don't actually try to fight them but rather act as a nuisance

>>719234798
Short circuit is so boring to use that I only switch to it if I'm under heavy siege. Like yes, it's strong mechanically, I'm not arguing that, but I also want to have fun even when I'm trying to win and SC feels so lame to shoot with that sometimes I would rather lose a sentry nest than use this fart gun.

>>719231892
>second highest overall damage output in the game after demo
That's scout though. Soldier isn't even close.

>>719238647
As an engie main, nah that thing is only useful if there's an area outside the sentries range where players can spam the sentry from or if there's an Uber, otherwise turtling is far more OP

>>719238392
That's spy in a nutshell

>>719237073
Instead of just giving heavy the reserve shooter? Lmao

>>719234798
Short circuit allows battle engineers to literally rape and kill 3 soldiers by himself
>Source: me.

>>719237073
It also fires one big perfectly accurate slug instead of a cone of spread
Imagine how busted Scout would be if he got a shotgun that didn't have to worry about spread past point blank range

>>719241289
It's actually better because it plays on old reserve shooter rules where anyone airborne 128 hu above the floor is eligble for minicrits instead of just rocket jumping players

>>719228654
>snipe the engi, who needs to be in proximity of his sentry to Short Circuit projectiles.
Problem solved.

My loadout?
>Phlog
>Scorch / Detonator depending on if there’s a part of the map I can reliably jump up on. Sometimes dipping into shotgun if there’s a few enemy pyros
>Homewrecker

Id use the dragons fury more if i had a strange one, but they don’t exist.

>>719238476
hardcounters are gay non sense.

>>719241530
being airborne should make u take less dmg not more. jewish weapon.

>>719228856
Is that faster than deploying a level 2?

>>719235124
I have been that sniper, ran all the way to the other base to melee the other sniper I was duelling to death, we both had a laugh over it.

>tf2 thread complaining about specific thing is made
>people offer the designated in-game counters for it
>suddenly every single possible factor is twisted in that thing's favor to an unreasonable degree so OP is justified in bitching and how they literally can't do anything

>>719235397
genuinely not trying to be rude but you need to try a little harder to aim
you literally have 500 dps at that range against 125 (185 overheal) scout
scouts shouldn't be able to touch you unless outflanked

>>719234798
rescue ranger feels awful to use because you literally turn into the worst class in the game the second that your sentry goes down, doubly so if you're pairing it with sc/wrangler
I understand some 5500 hour engie mains know how to abuse it and make their shit unkillable but I can never justify the tradeoff outside of mvm

>>719238476
>Pyro should be a hard HARD counter to Spy
Half the cast counters Spy just by existing and doing whatever is their basic ass function, he needs no further bullying. Hell, shit should be taken away instead, just look at Pyro and his Mary Sue ass, airblast by itself is ridiculous enough but he's able to do all this random shit with unlocks that has nothing to do with the way his class was designed to play like. He was made without airblast with a simple flanking function on release for a reason, fuck unlocks, give me stock-only release server NOW

>>719238476
Are we really going to pretend that Pyro doesn't have an extremely easy time countering Spy just because modern Pyros are too busy focusing on their reflects and flare combos, gazes locked to the enemy team like an ubered Heavy, that they can't press m1 and flail their wrist around a little bit

spy mains are professional victims
I don't care if he sucks in comp, literally every other casual server has some dr. kunaiback running a train on my team and my ability to actually do something to help them is severely limited by dr's only proper counter being jarate or madmilk (or god forbid, gas passer), that shit never should have gotten afterburn immunity

>>719236170
Pyro FaN was the most based thing TF2C ever did.

>>719228414
Why did they remove the smile sticker?

>>719235491
stop tunnel visioning in a tickle fight for 2 hours maybe and you wont get picked by spy (and less often by sniper)

>Dr. Kunaiback
>Dr. Enforcicle
>Saharan Spy
>Charmer's Chapeau Ambassador Spy
One will protect you, the others will try to hunt you down

>>719242978
Just turn around
Skill issue

>>719243313
Enforcer spy will outgun the others.

>>719243452
it's not me getting stabbed, but you can't win a match 1vs12

>>719242978
why are you tunnel visioning as non sniper classes?

>>719243534
Scream on mic
>TURN AROUND YOU RETARDED FAT FAGGOT HEAVY

>>719243249
>in a 2v1 doing my best to survive
>get headshot from across the map or backstabbed
should i respect the sight line and turn around every so often and engage in a 2v1 at the same time? You keep thinking of these things in a vacuum, shit doesn't work like that in game. You can't just turn around mid fight unless you want to die from the front. That's not tunnel vision, that's playing the video game

>>719238647
>not right clicking to evacuate the sentry instead

>>719243313
>Three out of four busted Spy loadouts involve the Dead Ringer
That unlock has been nothing but trouble

>>719238647
The damage resistance is fucking retarded, they should remove, the increased rate of fire is fine.

>>719243719
and yet spies will argue up and down it's necessary for him to even function
maybe they should have just buffed the stock invis watch

Why would I ever play this ever again, this bot infested pile of toxic garbage

>>719232882
6v6 IS real tf2.

>>719243697
why are you complaining about losing a 3v1?
where's your team?

Dead ringer concept is retarded but even then it's not that good
>>719243802
>spies will argue up and down it's necessary for him to even function
Nigger, nobody has ever said that.

>>719243861
the bot thing was fixed like over a year ago at this point

>>719243861
>toxic
That Anon's a bloody- NEEDA

>>719243947
I've seen spies insist that spy always dies aftter getting a pick unless he has dead ringer to rely on, the other invisibility watches are fine for getting into position for a play but they're significantly less useful for actually getting away alive.

>>719243952
Wow only took them 10 years what a win
So why would I waste my time on it again

>>719244019
Only rookie faggots think that.

>>719244068
>So why would I waste my time on it again
so true *opens gacha shovelware*

>>719228301 (OP)
You're suppose to zap right before the rest of the team moves in. Otherwise you can just harass the teleport at their spawn to distract the engineer and possibly bait them away from their nest.

>I want attack defend maps to be even further blu stomps
Then these niggas complain about 5cp where there are usually not many sentries

>>719243313
Saharan spy circa 2012

so am I supposed to use degreaser + panic attack or degreaser + flare gun or degreaser + axtinguisher?

>>719244019
Why does that even matter for anyone but killstreak fags
If you get the kill you've done your job

>>719244209
Just play the game they all work.

>>719244104
I don't play gacha

>>719244209
flamethrower+scorchshot+homewrecker.

CRANK
CRANK
CRANK
CRANK
BSSSSHOOOOUUUUWWW
CRANK
CRANK

>>719244291
>using the stock primary and one of the lesser melees just to justify your scorchshot spam
I see you

where mimi-sentry

>>719244320
spamming charge shots with this thing + conch while chilling near the skybox on koth_nucleus is good stress relief

>>719244320
Spamming battlements with this is so fun (until a homosexual pyro starts reflecting it)

>>719228624
>You might as well make the same thread for every class, breh.
they do, that's how you know TF2 is the most perfectly balanced game in existence
>strength: is combination HWG and Soldier
>weakness: in a game where standing still for 0.1 seconds is attempted suicide, sentries can't move themselves at all, guaranteeing the sentry dies the moment anyone on the enemy team figures out where it is, along with any Engie dumb enough to try to protect it

>>719243952
not exactly
they'll probably be back in time for scream fortress

the stickybomb launcher is the most powerful weapon in TF2. you can literally blow up a lvl 3 sentry with 2 stickies in 1.5 seconds. come on people, there's no excuse.

>>719244758
I dont like playing sticky demo because reloading that much is annoying to me

>>719244320
>CRANK
>CRANK
>CRANK
>CRANK
>BSSSSHOOOOUUUUWWW
>CRANK
>CRANK

>>719244338
nah, i like unsapping sentries and i like doing damage+airblasting ubers and trying to airblast rockets with my primary. i also love the scorchshot spam lol.

>>719244913
Wow pier looks like shit

>>719239341
The original designs of team fortress was that the class system was about appealing to as many different people as possible by using the classes to appeal to different mindsets. Robin Walker literally went on record to say this.

chargin targe's nerfs were unnecessary
there's basically no reason to use it over screen

>>719228301 (OP)
Anything to defend Soldier and Demo right? It's not explosives spam absolutely shred through sentries in seconds, and even with a Wrangler, the Engineer is still fucked since you absolutely have a Medic glued to your ass like the unskilled tard you are.

>>719244758
Funny, that's also how fast you can be killed trying to blow up a sentry as well.

Also wrangler shield.

>>719236236
As an engie main, I can destroy any nest I come across playing demo or soldier. If you can't its a skill issue

>>719237796
I'm pretty sure I'd stomp you in a 1v1 faggot.

>>719246040
Direct hit is literally the easiest weapon to use, you just harass from the other side of the map and the engie can do nothing other than take out the wrangler, but then the niggerman will just walk up to the sentry and litter stickies everywhere.

>>719246240
>Direct hit is literally the easiest weapon to use,
It literally isn't. Unlike the soldier's usual kit you got to actually aim with it when fighting other players.

>>719246323
Sentries don't move.

>>719245981
Sentries are retarded and take too long to respond to things. If you go pyro and get right up to them as an enemy then just spin around they won't even fire on you before you can wm1 them to death

Sticky demo can fire them from outside of the range of the sentry or just pop around corners before the sentry has time to react to them

>>719246347
>when fighting other players.
Are you under the impression that you won't bump into any opponents on your way to get to the vantage point?

>>719246512
Nigger, unless you're a soldier main troglodyte that spent 80% of his play time firing at the ground, aiming is not that fucking hard.

reminder that this edit is more informative than the original picture

Picture presented without comment

>>719246645
It's certainly harder than using a regular rocket launcher. If I'm going direct hit soldier to take out a sentry and I'm bumping into players who are playing the classes and kits they are actually used to I'm going to be at a disadvantage.

>>719246903
Play other classes.

>>719235646
Spy that doesn't wear paper mask will always be on your team ie any spy that disguises as spy will always wear a paper mask

>>719233494
I get 2/1 KDs with medic blatsauger and it's amazing how few people know what to do against a player that knows how to use it.

>>719246420
>Sentries are retarded and take too long to respond to things. If you go pyro and get right up to them as an enemy then just spin around they won't even fire on you before you can wm1 them to death
Yeah that's fun to do and incredibly satisfying but it requires a specifc sentry location where you're able to do that.

Taking out sentries with projectiles, but it around corners or outranging them will always be the most reliable way to take them out but you're always going to have a problem with the enemy players can interrupt you.

>>719246945
I agree direct hit soldier may have problems for this reason. Sometimes it works though.

>>719235053
>votekick the enemy team's player
what year you posting from?

>>719242392
can you imagine a world there teef two threads aren't 90% filled with shitposters engaged in a feedback reply loop with other shitposters

>>719246701
I still prefer holiday punches over gru simply because the seething it causes for cucking enemy uber push

>>719246040
Shouldn't the game be designed to take average player skill into account?

>>719247191
It all boils down to one retard that doesn't even play the game making a retarded assumption

I feel like there's a universal law where if you're doing well as Scout on KOTH the chances for a pathetic Engineer virgin appearing increases every second.

Just like rockets etc, hitscan weapons ARE also blocked by your teammates. The only weapon that can go thru them is scoped(?) sniper rifle shot

Killing others in a game is antifun because you stop them from doing anything OP. That's the point of a retarded team shooter.

The only thing I agree with is that it is weird how inefficient Spy is at dealing with sentry nests. Against one single engineer it is about skill, but it only takes two engineers for it to become impossible for a spy to sap.

In the end spy can only contribute by sapping the turrets at the exact moment their team decides to push, which requires a level of coordination that you won't find in pubs.

>>719242392
You have to focus on the end result. There have been plenty of times it hasn't worked.

The problem with tf2 is you have asymmetrical gamemodes where the entire point is that it's supposed to be possible for defenders to defend. This in itself would be fine but then it means the symmetrical game modes just become prone to stalemating a lot.

>>719247510
Spy is for tormenting the engineer.

>>719247510
Remove sapper armor
Remove homewrecker

>>719247510
Give sapper an emp ability.
>EMP has a charge bar
>it's built by using the sapper to damage buildings normally
>charge is kept between deaths
>once bar is full spy can hit the reload button with the sapper out to send a EMP
>EMP stuns or applies a sapper to every building spy has line of sight with

>>719234495
It's always the same shit with these TF2 threads
>X Class is shit
>But what if they do this
>A highly skilled Y can beat it easily
>If X gets ubered they can beat it
They always move the goalpost to fit their narrative.

>>719247589
Half of my 2000 hours at TF2 were spent with cloak and dagger Spy sitting invisible in the enemy sentry nest, spamming voicelines and watching the engineers go crazy and shoot the entire place up.

>"That engineer is a spy"
>flash cloak and shoot from far away
>"Medic!"
>"Need a dispenser here"
>decloaks disguised as heavy
>Saps with tape recorder
>escapes while spamming voice lines
Engineers HATE this

>>719247589
>>719247604
>>719247737
I feel like Spy needs a new weapon specialized in dealing with sentry nests. YEW can help a lot in theory, but any half decent engineer will have their back against a wall.

It would be interesting if there was a pistol that could fire without losing disguise, dealt a lot of damage to structures but little damage to people, and that had a lot of fall off over distance (so you would have to be really close for it to be effective)

>>719231213
>spy useless
99% of the time yeah but it's legit a 200 iq class that can single handedly break stalemates in impressive coup de mains. Had a friend who had the patience to wait for the right conditions, and was absolutely nasty with the ambassador, so would sap a double sentry nest, headshot or stab the engineers and murder a heavy medic pair on his way out as a matter of routine. Aint nobody putting out that sort of damage that quickly in any other case

>>719247191
they would die in like 12 replies because that's the only discussion that keeps them alive?

>>719237623
People keep complaining about the AA gun there but minigun is also massively buffed compared to live TF2 and heavy doesn't even need a medic to slaughter your entire team in a straight fight on the tighter maps

>>719248115
In the long run this is irrelevant because the game is resolved by uber cycles, this sort of stuff can only work in pubs

>SHWLP SHLWLP
>LET'S DO ITTTTTTTTT!
>BEEP WHOOOMP
>SWIIIIIIIIIIIISHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>BPANG BPANG
>WOOOOHAHAHAHAH- AIERHGHHHH!

>>719248125
So you enjoy meaningless drivel that you consider "discussion" just so you can have your +450 reply thread?

>>719247242
>turn the HWG into the biggest, slowest, and most humiliating Spy in existence
ngl if I get hit with the HP I just let him kill me, he's earned it and I deserve it

>>719228301 (OP)
>Can't do anything sneaky

Just walk past it lmao

>>719228301 (OP)
You stab the engie and then sap before the sentry kills you

>>719248560
just use your gun and shoot his ass after sapping the sentry. If you don't suck its like .5 seconds slower than a backstab

>>719248756
Wait, spy has a gun?

>>719247242
if you're defending as heavy on last then yeah holiday punch is basically a straight upgrade over stock and is potentially game-winning
there's no point in GRU if you have nowhere to go anyway

>>719248847
If you have a medic up your ass GRU might still be worth it.

>>719248386
I still have no idea why they nerfed it

>>719248294
The minigun is just the old minigun with slower spinup but no damage and accuracy rampup. Because it's meant to be TF2 Classic, and not "TF2 with fanfiction weapons that break class interactions, but they're so much more interesting than what those boomers at Valve came up with ^w^"

>>719246795
bullshit, it barely reaches the yellow one

>>719248372
true, and I don't mind people who understand that and are good sports about it but whiny teamspeak pubstomping babies deserve all the shittalking they can get

>>719249202
It used to be just the old minigun but they brought the accuracy up to modern levels and reduced the fall off a bit. Its a real monster that way

>>719236170
tf2c is so fucking retarded
>give scout the nailgun so he just annoys the shit out of people while being useless
>instead of giving the pyro the axetinguisher give him a stupid scythe that lets you store crits so you just corner camp and insta delete people without even setting them on fire
>give soldier a rocket launcher that one shots light classes, but it has a bigger AOE instead of a smaller one and you can't do anything else with it because it only holds one shot
>give spy the tranq gun so he can, again, be annoying but useless
>let's give sniper a 6 shot sniper rifle that can noscope headshot, fuck it, that's fun, right?
every single new weapon they added is cancer, useless, or both and they seem married to the idea of doing this shit instead of actually being 2007 era TF2

>>719228939
>>719232634
>>719237714
>>719246040
Friendly reminder that engineer intentionally designed for people that are not skilled, and that every time you pick him to counter me, you are conceding my superiority as a player.

Engineer is arguably the most overpowered class in the game once someone that has more than three braincells picks him.
The Wrangler is a Sentry uber and the Short Circuit is the Razorback on steroids. Once he whips out either of them your only options to deal with the nest are an uber push, competent spy (lol), or a Brass Beast heavy.

>>719244320
For some reason I do way better as soldier with the cow mangler than other rocker launchers.

>>719236495
I'm a pyro main and I fucking hate what they do with him in TF2C. If I was making a mod as a pyro fetishist I would just restore the glory of early degreaser era combo pyro. I wouldn't make him whatever retarded thing they did in TF2C. They basically made WM1 the actual way of playing him, and it's terrible to play as and against.

>>719250263
But why?
>add in watch damage resistance from Gun Mettle and faster move speed for Spy
>make the Minigun this weird hybrid of stats with less sentry damage resistance but no rampup but more accuracy but slow spinup but faster movement speed while revved
>Engineer is just modern Engineer without his unlocks
>add in random workshop monstrosities that don't feel like they belong in the era at all
>other balance changes are entirely based on what some guy on the team felt like doing
I played it years ago before many of these updates and the game worked absolutely fine. People even played on the 2007 servers with stricter rules.
I wonder if any of the people working on this were above the age of five in the era they're purporting to re-imagine

>>719250409
what if I pick him and then just shit on you with the widowmaker because my aim is superior?

>game's whole purpose is classes
>"remove sniper because shooting far bad"
>"remove engineer because building bad"
>"remove heavy because hitscan bad"
>"remove demo/soldier because spam bad"
>"remove medic because heal bad"
>"remove spy because stab bad"

>>719250409
I care about effective teamplay, not clout. If our team composition benefits from a sentry placement and/or teleports to the enemy base, I will play Engie. To me, a scout like you is just another +1 when you stupidly run into my base completely unprepared to deal with me or my tools.

>>719228301 (OP)
learn to have a medic on your team so you can uber and sweep the sentry nest.

>>719251007
Those changes are probably why TF2C still has players unlike so many other TF2 mods. Even the 2007 servers were only relevant for like a week before everyone got bored

>>719251287
Should have just kept updating and advertising the custom weapon servers. That's the reason most people showed up to try it anyway.

brass beast isn't that bad

>>719251047
If that were true, you wouldnt be playing engineer to begin with.unless youre just drunk and trolling, then youll earn my respect.
>>719251162
>words words words words
This is cope.

>>719251456
>IEEEEEE 3 SENTENCES IS TOO MUCH WORDS!!
figures a scout is ADHD

>>719249893
facts do not care about your feelings

>>719251436
I hate those stupid stat clocks, ruins the skins.

>>719251106
The game would still be fun as hell if it was scout-only

>>719251456
>>If that were true, you wouldnt be playing engineer to begin with.unless youre just drunk and trolling, then youll earn my respect.
I play engineer to shoot people with the widowmaker because no other class gets it and a shotgun that doesn't require reloading is fun

>>719251436
Pretty skin. It's way too late for me to invest any money or attention into TF2, though.

>>719251531
Sorry buddy but when you start off with cope like "i dont care about clout i care about team composition" i know what i'm really reading. It's called pattern recognition, not that you would understand that considering your preferred playstyle.

>>719251587
just play quake at that point

>>719251660
What a weird extrapolation. "Playing engie" = "no pattern recognition?" I recognize you getting ground into a blood stain by my sentry's rotating barrels. And so I keep doing it.

>>719251740
or wait for open fortress to get on steam (coming soon [tm])

>>719247807
my beloved

>>719251815
You would like watching your sentry get kills you coukdnt get yourself.

Scout is the most pure class in TF2. His stock loadout is still the most reliable and versatile way to play him
>inb4 "muh milk"
Oh, so you're a Scout with no ability to deal mid-range damage, deal with sentries, or have any chance against superior pistol-wielding Scouts?
>muh wrap assassin
Wrong again. There's nothing more humiliating for an enemy than getting batted to death by a Scout, which is the only reason your melee slot exists. I bet you don't taunt when capping last either.

>>719252235
At least you concede the sentry is wrecking you.

>>719252291
okay but pbpp is effectively a straight upgrade

>>719252156
Let's make some noise

>>719252292
Thus bringing us back to where we started.
Man tf2 discussion has been basically solved hasnt it.

>>719244019
kunai gives you an out
the big earner gives you a more fun out
people need deadringer to get out specifically because the deadringer doesn't allow you nearly as much freedom to pick good situations to get into. It's a feedback loop

>>719252291
>His stock loadout is still the most reliable and versatile way to play him
That would be Spy

>>719235957
COME HERE STRING BEAN

>>719252291
I don't understand why people like to fellate the pistol so much, 9/10 times I get zero use out of it unless I'm using the FaN or Soda Popper. The accuracy isn't nearly consistent enough to secure a kill from medium range, you're better off just using your remaining scattergun shots.

>>719252818
Bound to happen after 17 years of this shit.

>>719252853
I'm not gonna pretend like I'm a god with his shotgun but the amount of times people don't expect you to just walk towards them while they're ineffectively trying to get your sentry down by peeking it is really funny

>>719252916
As (basically) an engineer main, I always run shotgun and pistol. I honestly just hate his other options for those slots but running around gunning people down with the shotgun when they don't expect you to be able to kill them is a sweet joy

>>719252291
>his stock loadout is the best
This is because Valve systematically nerfed almost every single one of his unlocks to near uselessness over the years

>>719236170
>>719236495
>>719237073
>>719250264
TF2C is just a case study to why you should never let the community balance TF2 because they are fucking retarded and would do shit like this if given the chance

>>719237073
Glad I'm not the only one who hates this thing. Complete aids to play against, I don't even know how I'm supposed to play to counter it other than pepper him at range

>>719253207
>Shortstop, BfB, Soda Popper, FaN (caught in the crossfire during the airblast changes)
>Bonk, Crit-a-Cola, Cleaver, PBPP (still good)
>Sandman, Atomizer
Scunt really got done the dirtiest throughout the lifetime of TF2. The only reason these weapons are still usable is because of the overall power of the class itself. If any other class got their weapons shitstomped this hard they wouldn't be able to use anything but stock.

>Panic Attack
>Short Circuit
>Gunslinger
Suddenly engie is capable of wrecking a soldier or demo

>>719253741
The only one that somewhat deserved it was bfb. That gun has never been balanced, either overnerfed or overpowered.

>>719228301 (OP)
just switch to demoman faggot

>>719243313
I pick enforcer to protect me, it's practically a hard counter to the other dead ringer spies.

>>719244209
degreaser + stock shotgun

>>719228654
>thump thump thump thump*
>switch weapons
>*thump thump thump thump thump thump thump thump*
How many shots does SS have again?

>>719252569
nice

>>719236170
Adding weapons to TF2C in the first place was a mistake
I can kinda understand beta stuff like the nailgun and dynamite pack, maybe even the achievement unlocks, but at a certain point it's just fucking nonsensical
Who the hell thought that ANYTHING from Double Down was suited for release TF2?

>>719228301 (OP)
>Remove rocket jumping
>Remove all Sniper's shields
>Increase Pyro and Spy movement speed by 15%
There. Just made the game fun again.

>>719254781
Doesnt require a reload, so infinite on payload carts, spawn doors with ressuply cabinets and on dispensers (which he can put anywhere on the map lol)

Post the pokegirl with the cutest ass. You know the one.

>>719250409
Don't care, I'm kinda shit at FPSes and I pretty much exclusively play the "stupid" classes (Pyro, Heavy, Engineer)

>>719250409
Engineer is just Scout with toys

>>719255048
>No one is building lvl 3s on cart
>Resupply locker is way too far from any build spot for it to matter
>Dispenser has limited ammo too

>>719228301 (OP)
Spin me round