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Anonymous No.719238608 >>719239848 >>719243219 >>719246853 >>719251171 >>719258352
stop liking evil men
Anonymous No.719239848
>>719238608 (OP)
bastard of three fathers
Anonymous No.719241697 >>719246706 >>719251602 >>719256517
>men liking evil women
>she's just mean
>women liking evil men
>a real life adult man who has raped and beaten and killed several women
Anonymous No.719242416 >>719242467
Who's that again? That one barbarian that kept rushing Cao Cao?
Anonymous No.719242467
>>719242416
Anonymous No.719242753 >>719244604
There's absolutely nothing on the historical record that Lu Bu did that would make him any more evil than any of the other warlords of his time, including the ones who executed him.
Anonymous No.719242921 >>719244309 >>719244680 >>719254270
Ah, it's Lu Bu. I didn't recognize him because the default look for me is the one from Souten Kouro.
Anonymous No.719243219 >>719243465 >>719243579 >>719243881 >>719244078 >>719244713
>>719238608 (OP)
Its funny that some backstabbing chink, that was a decent warrior, was elevated to GOD OF WAR THAT CAN KILL OVER 9000 GENERALS AT THE SAME TIME
Anonymous No.719243465 >>719244078 >>719244309
>>719243219
Ain't Guan Yu is more of the God of War thing?
Anonymous No.719243579 >>719244309
>>719243219
But enough about Guan Yu
Anonymous No.719243881
>>719243219
this is a Lu Bu thread, shu fags need not apply
Anonymous No.719244078 >>719244979 >>719245079 >>719249451
>>719243219
>>719243465
>decent warrior
literally all existing accounts of his contemporaries place him as the best warrior in the land.

Also yes, Guan Yu is the "god of war" figure in China, but that's not the same as best warrior in the way you would think of it. Part of the reason Guan Yu became that icon has a lot to do with collateral reasons such as his perceived virtuous life as a faithful warrior to a virtuous warlord and all that, which makes it all the more ironic when you find out that in reality Guan Yu wasn't all that much more virtuous than Lu Bu if character.

Also the patricide angle is massively overplayed for dramatic purposes just like most other aspecrs of the dramatized version of the period. Dong Zhuo wasn't really his adoptive father in the way chinese culture understood an actual adoptive family relation, butnit's played as such to make Lu Bu as a villanous savage to be foiled by the "virtuous" Liu Bei and then Cao Cao, who in reality both did just has much heinous shit as him, if not worse. Not to mention Dong Zhuo at the time LuBu killed him was literally an enemy of the whole empire and guilty of literal regicide. Lu Bu could easily be characterized as a hero for his assassination instead of has treacherous, not unlike Cao Cao is portrayed as virtuous when he himself attempts to assassinate the Dong using deception.
Anonymous No.719244309 >>719244769 >>719245079
>>719243465
>>719243579
Well, Guan Yu too.
>In 1614, the Wanli Emperor bestowed on Guan Yu the title "Holy Emperor Guan, the Great God Who Subdues Demons in the Three Worlds and Whose Awe Spreads Far and Moves Heaven" (三界伏魔大神威遠震天尊關聖帝君). During the Qing dynasty, the Shunzhi Emperor gave Guan Yu the title of "Guan, the Loyal and Righteous God of War, the Holy Great Emperor" (忠義神武關聖大帝) in 1644. This title was expanded to "Guan the Holy Great Emperor; God of War Manifesting Benevolence, Bravery and Prestige; Protector of the Country and Defender of the People; Proud and Honest Supporter of Peace and Reconciliation; Promoter of Morality, Loyalty and Righteousness" (仁勇威顯護國保民精誠綏靖翊贊宣德忠義神武關聖大帝), a total of 24 Chinese characters, by the mid-19th century. It is often shortened to "Saint of War" (武聖; Wǔ Shèng), which is of the same rank as Confucius, who is honoured the "Saint of Culture" (文聖; Wén Shèng). The Qing dynasty promoted the worship of Guan Yu among the Mongol tribes, making him one of their most revered religious figures, second only to their lamas.[17]
I was thinking in The Ravages of Time, refering to things like this >>719242921
He prolly was never worshiped because he is "evil guy"
Anonymous No.719244604
>>719242753
Sandal peddler propaganda is too strong
Anonymous No.719244680 >>719253926
>>719242921
Why does he have dreads
Anonymous No.719244713
>>719243219
>elevated to GOD OF WAR
That's Guan Yu.

Lu Bu was a good murderer but he's not as respected as Guan Yu is in China precisely because he was disloyal.
Anonymous No.719244769
>>719244309
>He prolly was never worshiped because he is "evil guy"
And he didn't have a beautiful beard.
Anonymous No.719244979
>>719244078
>Guan Yu wasn't all that much more virtuous than Lu Bu
He was loyal and he died for his Lord. Lu Bu was a slut and died like a bitch after a failed power grab. That's all that matters in history.

Guan Yu massacring perceived innocents on command is irrelevant when talking about virtue.
Anonymous No.719245079 >>719248708
>>719244078
>>719244309
Guan Yu cult had more to do with what he did after he died than what he did while alive. He wasn't really particularly loyal or virtuous while alive and was not particularly celebrated for loyal or virtue in his own time, but people kept seeing his ghost doing awesome stuff a couple centuries after his death, so people started reinterpreting the records of his life and making up new stories to fit that new perceived image.

In the actual time period, the people celebrated for good virtue and supposedly performing miracles from being so pure of heart were men like Guan Ning, but you don't see any modern shrines for him today because his ghost didn't keep performing miracles after he died.
Anonymous No.719246471
i hope the DLC is shown at TGS, it'll probably have a lubu hypothetical route
Anonymous No.719246706
>>719241697
Im in love with 2 nazi women
Anonymous No.719246853 >>719248269 >>719249185 >>719251126 >>719251269
>>719238608 (OP)
Lu Bu isn't evil though, he is just too honest about his desires whereas almost everyone around him are two-faced cunts.
Anonymous No.719248269 >>719250206 >>719255992
>>719246853
>whereas almost everyone around him are two-faced cunts
Zhang Liao was cool with him desu. Sure he kinda projected his own sense of honor onto Lu Bu who definitely didn't live up to those expectations but he was still ride or die for him till the bitter end.

Unlike Lu Bu that offered his service to Cao Cao and still got executed, Zhang Liao was ready to accept his fate and only avoided death because Cao Cao offered to take him in.

There's also an absolute CHAD Gao Shun that never gets mentioned by Koei for some reason. IIRC when he got captured he either refused the offer or said something along the lines of "You're not my lord, don't talk to me" before execution.
Anonymous No.719248708 >>719252562
>>719245079
>Guan Yu cult
oh must be some kind of Shu Han truthers then righ-
>his ghost doing awesome stuff
what the fuck
Anonymous No.719249185 >>719249326 >>719249659
>>719246853
Anyoone using a horse, halberd, spear or any combination of the three is evil.
Anonymous No.719249326 >>719249403
>>719249185
Fuck off, Zhuge Liang.
Anonymous No.719249403
>>719249326
You like long circumsized shafts and no amount of sidestepping will save your manhood.
Anonymous No.719249451
>>719244078
Yeah you can argue best at war and best at fighting are two different categories.
Anonymous No.719249490 >>719249627 >>719251150 >>719252562
>murders your father for no reason while he's visiting on a diplomatic mission
how do you respond without sounding mad?
Anonymous No.719249627
>>719249490
call him a nigger
Anonymous No.719249659
>>719249185
t.
Anonymous No.719250206 >>719250675 >>719251282 >>719252562
>>719248269
Lu Bu had a bunch of honorable, capable and well respected men who were fiercely loyal to him.

I don't think this would have been the case if he were the lying, backstabbing opportunist he is made out to be. Chen Gong gladly abandoned Cao Cao for his principles, why wouldn't he do the same to Lu Bu? Instead he chose to DIE in Lu Bu's service.
Anonymous No.719250675 >>719250764 >>719250862 >>719251091
>>719250206
Chen Gong joined him because Lu Bu was a easily manipulated retard, and was a easy path to success
Anonymous No.719250764 >>719251418
>>719250675
Obviously not, as he kept getting bodied over and over. If Gong was an opportunist himself he would have abandoned the loser for a better position
Anonymous No.719250862 >>719251418
>>719250675
except he wasn't because he literally reject all his advice during the siege of Xiapi which led to all their deaths, and Chen Gong still chose to die under his service.
Anonymous No.719251091 >>719251418
>>719250675
>Chen Gong joined him because Lu Bu was a easily manipulated retard, and was a easy path to success
Chen Gong joined him when Lu Bu got no land of his own, and Chen Gong stuck with the guy after already losing multiple times, and literally chose death after the final loss.
Anonymous No.719251126
>>719246853
The only lord I will follow till the end.....
Anonymous No.719251150 >>719251910
>>719249490
I still haven't really come across a decent explanation for him doing this. It seems like an absolutely insane decision. The only thing I've heard that makes sense is that Tao Qian was just actually kind of an impulse insane man, as opposed to his dramatized depiction.
Anonymous No.719251171 >>719251603
>>719238608 (OP)
His theme peaked right here. Nothing will ever come close to this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ic-4h5grk8
Anonymous No.719251269
>>719246853
especially that fucker Liu Bei. The fake hunility shtick never sat well with me. Fucker got "snake" written all over him.
Anonymous No.719251282
>>719250206
>Lu Bu had a bunch of honorable, capable and well respected men who were fiercely loyal to him.
Yes, because he was a great warrior and people admired his strength.
Anonymous No.719251418
>>719250764
What do you think The Yan province shit was? it was pure opportunism even after puyang fell Lu Bu was a good option since he still had his army and a famous name, him sticking to his guns is commendable but there's really nothing to suggest this is over loyalty instead of his belief in law.

>>719250862
Gongster advise during Xiapi was retarded and Lu Bu not listening to him was one of the few smart things he ever did

>>719251091
You're forgetting that Lu Bu had a private army of hardened troops alongside having relations with Zhang Miao he joined him because he was there and Gongster thought he could guide him forward
Anonymous No.719251448 >>719251606 >>719251626 >>719251721 >>719258850 >>719259963
i stand alone on this fucking bitch of an earth awaiting a new dynasty tactics....
Anonymous No.719251602
>>719241697
>>she's just mean
nope
Anonymous No.719251603
>>719251171
What I wouldn't give for this game to have a real Musou Mode where you play as the real officers instead
Anonymous No.719251606
>>719251448
Count me as a comrade, brother. Everyday I pray that we at least get a Remaster Bundle...
Anonymous No.719251626 >>719251906
>>719251448
heh casual
Im here waiting for an update for total war three kingdoms
Anonymous No.719251721 >>719251956 >>719252006
>>719251448
As for me...
I like the combination of action, tactics, and high fantasy
Anonymous No.719251906 >>719251993
>>719251626
bro, your TROM?
Anonymous No.719251910
>>719251150
The explanation is simple he lost control of Zhang Kai (who was maybe a yellow turban but was certainly a rebel) because he was a shitty governor.
Anonymous No.719251956
>>719251721
I unironically got filtered by this game. Loved the third one, thought the first one was kinda janky but has lots of charm. The second one is just... weird.
Anonymous No.719251993 >>719256112
>>719251906
yeah trom is nice and all but it feels unbalanced as fuck
am I supposed to play on legendary or what?
Anonymous No.719252006
>>719251721
>liu bei literally kicks gods ass to set chibi on fire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB4D7t6WGA8
Anonymous No.719252562 >>719252752 >>719252925
>>719248708
Completely serious, people were claiming to have seen his ghost doing stuff in the centuries after his death. That’s how the legend really got started. Granted, being famous in that locality probably helped people recognize the supernatural events as his ghost and not some other ghost, but still, a man’s legacy depends far more on his posthumous actions than the actions of his own lifetime. Hell, just look at Zhou Yu’s legacy.

>>719250206
Chen Gong wasn’t really all that principled. He was implicated in a plot against Lü Bi’s life but Lü Bu didn’t investigate it because he depended on Chen Gong too much. Also despite Gao Shun’s famed loyalty, Lü Bu’s downfall was precisely because he failed to maintain the loyalty of his subordinate officers, who surrendered the city and opened the gates on him. One story tells that when Lü Bu angrily asked out loud why his officers would betray him, the response was that he kept seducing their wives.

>>719249490
It wasn’t a diplomatic mission. Cao Song had de facto retired to private life and fled to Xu province on his own, completely unrelated to his son’s rise to power in Yan province. Also Tao Qian and Cao Cao were already at war, mostly due to Cao Cao being an ally of Yuan Shao and Tao Qian an ally of Gongsun Zan. In fact Cao Cao’s first invasion of Xu province was before Cao Song was killed. But then Tao Qian decided to be an idiot and escalate the war by adding a personal element, which led to the second invasion.
Anonymous No.719252752
>>719252562
>One story tells that when Lü Bu angrily asked out loud why his officers would betray him, the response was that he kept seducing their wives.

I thought he couldn't get any more based
Anonymous No.719252925 >>719253474
>>719252562
The seducing wives thing is funny to me considering how he was one of the only people of the era to seemingly value his actual wifes advice.
Anonymous No.719253474 >>719264097
>>719252925
Listening to women seems to be a thing that historians kept trying to warn about, so I doubt it was just Lü Bu. Yuan Shao, Liu Biao, and Sun Quan were criticized for being influenced by their wives with regard to the succession, and there are claims that part of why Cao Pi was able to secure the succession over Cao Zhi was that he would cozy up with all his stepmoms and get them to praise him to dad. Also, not a wife thing, but the story goes that Sun Ce was persuaded by his aunt’s advice in deciding to launch a surprise crossing with only hastily made rafts instead of preparing a proper invasion with boats, which kicked off his entire conquest of Wu.
Anonymous No.719253596 >>719253882 >>719254321 >>719254346 >>719254354 >>719254420
>big dong zhuo in dynasty warriors
>FAT EVIL RETARD
>start reading RoTK
>intelligent crafty warlord in a time of strife
what causes such a phenomenon
Anonymous No.719253808
Gun Yu best girl.
Anonymous No.719253882
>>719253596
KT is slowly course correcting that recently though.
Anonymous No.719253926
>>719244680
*crushes your skull*
Anonymous No.719254270
>>719242921
Conan Lu Bu in RoT simply cannot be topped
Anonymous No.719254321 >>719254797
>>719253596
Yeah no both in romance and history big dong is still a fat evil retard, there is no redeeming quality to him
Anonymous No.719254346 >>719254660
>>719253596
>guy who offended the most literal class of his society goes down in history as a monstrous retard who was subject to every vice imaginable
MANY such cases
Anonymous No.719254354 >>719264097
>>719253596
Origins completely overhauled Big Dong, he from cartoon villan to a legitimate, imposing threat worthy of being feared by all the other lords
Anonymous No.719254420
>>719253596
Binary all or nothing thinking. Being intelligent is considered a good thing, so you’re not allowed to have “fat evil smart,” only “fat evil retard.”
Anonymous No.719254660
>>719254346
The history records, while calling him monstrous, concede that he was cunning and had leadership ability. A retard could not have come to power and destroyed Han like he did.
There’s an old saying: “even thieves have their Dao”
Anonymous No.719254665 >>719254872
The silver outfit with the helmet is goated
Anonymous No.719254797 >>719255063
>>719254321
>fat
Later in life. He was a competent general and horse archer in his career.

>evil
Greedy and ambitious, no denying that.

>retard
Far from it. Yes he went insane when he got to the top but actually getting there took some unprecedented skill and effort that no Chinese historian wants to admit because nobody wants to hand out accolades to the guy that burned the started the fire which brought the whole empire down.
Anonymous No.719254872
>>719254665
DW4 is peak.
Anonymous No.719255063
>>719254797
>no Chinese historian wants to admit
They do admit it though. That’s how we know of his capability at all. The historians grudgingly concede he has ability. The Houhanshu end appraisal even cited the old Zhuangzi remark “even thieves have the Dao.”
Anonymous No.719255539
“Of course thieves have the Dao. Knowing where the loot is without entering is sageliness. Being first to enter is valor. Being last to leave is righteousness. Knowing what is possible and impossible is wisdom. Dividing the loot evenly is benevolence. The world has never had someone who did not have these five who yet became a great thief.”
Anonymous No.719255867 >>719256051 >>719256191
I want them to skip the Origins DLC and just give me a sequel that makes the real cast playable again
Anonymous No.719255992 >>719257219 >>719258102
>>719248269
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iazhFfQ3-Jo
Anonymous No.719256051 >>719256149 >>719257086
>>719255867
the sequel won't have a playable cast either, it will be a create-a-warrior character instead of ziluan. After that and maybe an empires, then we will get a big roster game.
Anonymous No.719256112
>>719251993
I meam if you play on anything other than legendary I'm not really sure what you're doing, and yeah TROM does make it somewhat harder, but not really.
Anonymous No.719256149 >>719256996
>>719256051
Well, I guess I can look forward to the remaster before I'm 40
Anonymous No.719256191 >>719256527
>>719255867
Cheat engine lets you do whatever you want
Anonymous No.719256517 >>719257024
>>719241697
Lu Bu cared about his wife though. Same for Cao Cao.

Only Liu Bei was a trash husband.
Anonymous No.719256527
>>719256191
Yeah that's not the same at all as having a dedicated story
Anonymous No.719256569 >>719256683
when will they give him his sword back?
Anonymous No.719256683
>>719256569
is that supposed to be xun yu?
Anonymous No.719256996
>>719256149
LMAO
Anonymous No.719257024 >>719257724
>>719256517
Zhaolie put the needs of the realm above his own selfish family needs. That is why he was the most worthy of all the leaders of the era and the true Emperor.
Anonymous No.719257086 >>719257291 >>719258295
>>719256051
>the sequel won't have a playable cast either
They're pretty retarded. They're not THAT retarded.
Anonymous No.719257219
>>719255992
Godlike.
Anonymous No.719257291 >>719257401 >>719258295
>>719257086
Did not having a full cast stop origins from selling well? i can def see them getting rid of the companion system and going for a SW style tag system though. Retarded to expect a full cast so soon anyway (unless people want clones now)
Anonymous No.719257401 >>719257763
>>719257291
>Did not having a full cast stop origins from selling well?
It sold in spite of that. People don't want clones but making every character whose main weapon is already in the game fully playable is a start.
Anonymous No.719257724 >>719258278
>>719257024
>put the need of the realm
Realm needed the han gone.
Anonymous No.719257763
>>719257401
Sho is pretty perceptive to fan feedback so i can't imagine the sequel won't let you play as officers freely, i half expect the DLC to unlock them as well. the companion thing feels like a bit of a compromise anyway
Anonymous No.719258102
>>719255992
There are “people” who think great red spirit is better than Cyclonized typhoon.
Anonymous No.719258278 >>719259283 >>719260408
>>719257724
The realm only needed the bad Emperors like Huan and Ling removed. If a good benevolent leader like Zhaolie had been properly accepted as Emperor then Han would have lasted another 200 years, just like Han had previously been extended by 200 years when Guangwu became Emperor after the misrule of Emperors Ai and Ping.
Anonymous No.719258295 >>719261790
>>719257086
Go read what Sho said post launch, he didn't 100% declare it but from his words it's clear that origins part 2 will focus on a CAW MC instead of ziluan and how how once it's done the new complete roster could then be used in "simulation games" which I assume he meant Empires. As the critical & financial success of origins showed, those whining about the cut roster are an irrelevant minority. The averge user playing simply don't care.

>>719257291
the companion system will still be there like in part 1 and probably a bit bigger, it just won't be returning to a big full roster each with their own story, stats & weapons.
Anonymous No.719258352
>>719238608 (OP)
He is a force of nature.
Anonymous No.719258850 >>719259019 >>719259791
>>719251448
I still replay Dynasty Tactics in 2025. The first game is better.
Anonymous No.719259019 >>719260408
>>719258850
Justify that statement
Anonymous No.719259283
>>719258278
The Han lost the mandate of heaven, they had to go.
Anonymous No.719259791
>>719258850
I have 100% both repeatedly and your right
Anonymous No.719259963
>>719251448
i saw some gameplay of that just the other day and was considering giving it a try myself
Anonymous No.719260408 >>719264097
>>719258278
The Han empire was beyond saving. Its bloated corruption prevented anyone of any merit from achieving a position of influence. It's not a coincidence that the moment unretractable power was issued to the regional governers and warlords the local Han affiliated governors started dropping like flies.

>Liu Yu: Lost control of his nominal vassal Gongsun Zan and ended up executed
>Liu Dai: Failed to put down a yellow turban rebellion and died, paving the way for Cao Cao's control over central China
>Liu Chong: Outmaneuvered by the terminally failing Yuan Shu and assassinated.
>Liu Yao: Lost the political struggle against Yuan Shu via Sun Ce
>Liu Biao: Failed to resolve a succession crisis and made no efforts to form a united front against Cao Cao

Only Liu Zhang counts and that's only via the technicality of losing his realm to another Liu.

Unironically, for all of its many faults, Shu-Han avoided the worst of internal politics and factionalism while enabling men of merit from outside of the established royal family from acquiring positions of influence. Unlike Cao-Wei, it was able to do so without putting the ruling dynasty at risk of usurpation.

>>719259019
Dynasty Tactics 1 has the entire map available to you from the get go and the most unique campaign which is Liu Bei starting from literally nothing. You actually have to plan ahead to get the officers like Zhao Yun and Xu Shu that really enhance your force. Tactics also do not restore on chain kills by default AND officers are limited to the tactics they learn via level up, making officers feel far more unique.
Anonymous No.719260493 >>719260774 >>719260926 >>719264097
I wanted to see DW from a non-superfan perspective so recently finished watching "dokibird" playthrough of origins. Never watched a vtuber before and she was actually funny in a blatantly got ADHD or something way. She just laughed at all the guys hiting on ziluan and didnt really care about the lack of a big roster.
Anonymous No.719260774
>>719260493
cant take vtubers seriously when i know they are ugly irl cute voice though
Anonymous No.719260926
>>719260493
retard
Anonymous No.719261790
>>719258295
>Go read what Sho said post launch
I did.

>financial success of origins showed, those whining about the cut roster are an irrelevant minority
You're being a dumb nigger in every thread.
Anonymous No.719262785 >>719262881
>Hey Tomar, what if you were a Chinese general serving under Cao Cao during the Three Kingdoms era?
Anonymous No.719262881 >>719263607
>>719262785
uhh well i guess id cough blood and die
Anonymous No.719263607 >>719263773
>>719262881
You joke, but the differences in microbes is an under appreciated thing in time travel stories. The time traveler would probably die pretty quickly from all the ancient microbes he has no defenses against, while infecting the ancients with modern microbes and causing a serious epidemic.
Anonymous No.719263773
>>719263607
these arent microbes its a strike from heaven for failing your lord
Anonymous No.719264097
>>719253474
>listening to women is bad
a tale as old as time itself.
>>719254354
Origins Dong Zhuo is extremely based somehow and it's great
>>719260408
I've 100 percent DT2 but i never got to try the first one, your making me interested in it, shame i never see it around.
>>719260493
my favorite part was her being upset about makiing all the guys pretty and removing the stashes of a few characters.
"Zhuge Liang doesn't have his mustashe anymore, what's the fucking point, he's not hot..."