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>Alwei, representative of Indie-Us Games, a Japanese company specializing in Unreal Engine development, adds that “It’s already so hard to get off [the sinking ship], and yet the industry is clearly in a decline.
>Moving from Japanese-style mobile game development into console game development is very difficult, even though the opposite is simple.
>People who’ve built their entire career in mobile games are facing an extremely troubling situation.”

>>719241819 (OP)
Japanese gachas are unironically more predatory than the chinese ones if thats even possible

Japan just needs to double down on actual porn gacha since China and Korean aren't allowed to make that

>>719241912
You can't even get payment processors to do their job and you want a porn gacha?

>>719241912
Erolabs

>sad news
Huh?

>>719241912
play store is all-ages

>>719241819 (OP)
good, now they can just let the China and Korea do gacha shit and go back to release soulfulcore non gacha games.

>>719241819 (OP)
What's the point of playing a gacha, it never ends until EoS. They just keep adding more and more shit and then stop pandering to the core audience and instead to retards who invade it.

GBF is the biggest example of it, loved it and now it became a gay central.

Truth is japanese people are just kind of tired of soshage
It's not that popular for them anymore

>>719241819 (OP)
I hope they all die for their hubris.

>>719241819 (OP)
>Gacha industry is in trouble
sounds like [Happy news] to me

I'm tickled by their surprise that switching to console game development is hard.

Turns out, making actual fucking games with actual goddamn gameplay beyond a digital casino is hard. Turns out these people were never actually game developers and never actually competent to any degree.

>>719242307
I've no idea why they call it social gaming, it's the most antisocial gaming imaginable, the kind they do in any public environment and cut off all human interaction in the process.

>>719241819 (OP)
Cool

>Someone think of the developers!!
Looking forward to more mass layoff news, personally, especially from Square Enix.

I dunno, I feel like japanese gacha are just years behind chinks and gooks. What do they even have left? Cygames and FGO? Kancolle seems fucking dead, gutted by azure lane. Mihomo snatches up all the other shit. Actually what country is that gacha for women from? LADs or whatever it's called, is that one japanese?

>>719243321
I think the actual root of it were being pseudo-multiplayer games, like Granblue. I dunno much about those gacha that always top the chart in JP but several of them are ancient and they're like....pvp games, or something? or maybe just cooperative grinding gaems.

>>719243440
>LADs or whatever it's called, is that one japanese?
Part of the Shanghai cartel.

>>719241819 (OP)
>Moving from Japanese-style mobile game development into console game development is very difficult, even though the opposite is simple
Going from effort to low effort is easy but the opposite is hard. Yeah no shit, retard.

>>719243494
I'm pretty sure it was because they were intended to be designed like ultra casual MMOs that you could just play on your browser or phone, that way you can have a vague multiplayer game experience without having to get into a serious game session state. Ironically it had the opposite effect where people can and will just disconnect from each other in pretty much any environment.

Quick, shutdown 3 more gachas out of nowhere only to make 3 new ones. That will inspire consumer confidence!

>>719241819 (OP)
not tha surprising since there only so many gachas one can play before they stop. they all inevitably get way too gredy and fuck the player up
>brawstars was a good little game until the devs decided you had to play ranked so you can force your friends to play with you.
Dokkan battle was an amazing game until the 7th anniversary where they basically made everyone's units fucking useless and the meta started focusing on do or die situations.

>chink gachas are all trying to outcompete each other because of how congested the market is, with duet night abyss literally removing its gacha mechanics
>korean gachas subsist by being some of the most coomer shit imaginable like horizon walker or nikke
>japan gachas are all shitty, greedy cashgrabs of existing IPs that eos within 2 years max
why cant japan into gacha?

>>719243440
>I feel like japanese gacha are just years behind chinks and gooks.
What gachashit did the gooks has made other than Nikke (live 2D grindfest) and BA (chibi grindfest)?

>>719244236
Because, unlike Korea, Japan's population is not that desperate to have to be kept docile by porn gachas.

>>719241819 (OP)
Good. The gacha format is keeping corporations bloated and needs to die

>>719241912
>>719242148
Just install DMM Store bro

>>719241819 (OP)
sad? this is great news, im tired of genshart clone
please make more real games

Japanese gacha games are the most predatory shit and it's always some shitty licensed game that get's EOL'd after two years.

>>719241819 (OP)
>less gachaslop
>sad news
lol

>>719242276
GFL1 ended properly
FGO will end properly
Uma Musume has no story, just fun raising sim gameplay that you can drop and go back into anytime.

>>719241819 (OP)
They murdered eroge for this.

>>719241819 (OP)
How is that sad news senpai?

>>719241819 (OP)
meh...
Fate Grand Order is doing just fine. 10th year and still going strong.

>>719245637
Anon, these are Japanese games dying EXACTLY because Japanese and other Asian gamers are opting to play those hi-effort and hi-budget Genshit clones instead of Flash-driven JPEG simulators from Japan.

>>719242267
this, just let those 2 countries duke it out in their oversaturated market

>>719241819 (OP)
Didn't Final Fantasy had ten different gacha games at one time?

>>719241912
>porn gacha
RPGM slop are better

>>719241819 (OP)
thus is good news. i wish all gachatards a slow & painful death. they're simply not human, their brain is completely ruined by the sunk cost & corporate boot licking.

>>719246050
>because Japanese and other Asian gamers are opting to play those hi-effort and hi-budget Genshit clones
You mean this game? It's also dying on Nipland too lol

Is there anychance BE gets a XDive or PAD treat.ent with a standalone release? I guess it'd be stripped of all the crossover stuff but it ran for a long time and remember moderately enjoying it during my main game phrase. It's also one of the few I remember outside of Soccer Spirits and Valkyrie Crusade's base design mechanics.
>>719246160
I remember at the time of me playing BE they had a library one, a 3d one that ran like ass and I think a pay version of theatre bar rhythm off the back of cytus being popular.

>>719245779
>Uma Musume has no story
Technically the story literally writes itself with real life.

>pay $60, play for 10h then throw it away, rinse and repeat
>pay $0 and play for years on end with no additional cost
/v/irgins will tell you the latter is more predatory

>>719246859
>mihomo games below call of duty
ohnonono AHAHAHAHA

>>719247324
I don't think SE ever did anything like this and the one game that needed it most (Nier Reincarnation) didn't get that treatment.

>>719241819 (OP)
japanese can't create good games
they are only good at character designs

>>719249814
>any gachashit
>good game
Nice joke, Muhammad

>>719249917
Name 5 good Japanese games from the last decade.

>>719250000
ER, Nioh, Sekiro, Ac6, Elin, Nightreign, just random thing pop up in my head, especially ER, literally the most culture impact video game in the century, even created it own genre soulslike too

Japanese gacha games dont respect your time, they expect you to spend hours grinding everyday. Also their monetization is insanely jewish and they refuse to give you free rolls while being extremely stingy in the rates. It's no surprise that everyone else moved to better run gacha games outside of Japan now.

>>719250000
form this year: Shadow Labyrinth, Magical Nut Ikuno, Prison Princess 2, Blade Chimera, Hookah Haze, Urban Myth Dissolution Center
, All in Abyss: Judge the Fake, GIRLS MADE PUDDING, Gal Guardians Servants of the Dark, Project:;COLD case.mirage, Rusty Rabbit, Nitro Express,
,

>>719251697
Sofia in Exchange for Lies
The Great Villainess: Strategy of Lily

>>719241819 (OP)
good, total gachashit death

Respect and gacha are terms that do not belong in the same sentence.
Yeah gacha has hot women and thats it. Its a last resort to when dealing with ugly shit but it shouldn't be that way.
Kill gacha, bring back ecchi games.

>>719248864
It IS more predatory, the shit you think is free is the equivalent of free drinks at casinos. And just like casinos these “games” aren’t worth anything if you remove the gambling aspect

>>719241819 (OP)
>only japanese gacha
booo. kill all gachafags

>>719252205
it relies on the assumption that cute and sexy girls literally do not exist in any other games anymore which is only true if you live in an echo chamber

>>719241912
What a retarded thing to suggest during the current payment processor debacle.

>>719241819 (OP)
>company specializing in Unreal Engine development

>>719241819 (OP)
>Making jpgs is easier than making video games
Well, no shit. Good riddance. I wish china is next.

>>719252205
I never got this stupid argument. Gachas aren't the only "games" with attractive female characters in them. Now you can somewhat make the argument they're one of the only waifu collectors on the market, and that's largely due to game makers realizing they can heavily monetize this

japanny got absolutely owned by based Koreans and Chinese.

>>719253438
If they started development now, the debacle might be over by the time the game is ready to go live.

>>719253831
>might be over
lol, it's only going to get worse

>>719241819 (OP)
brave exvius got way too greedy and made so many powercreecps after powercreeps. People got fed up and just quit after awhile.

>>719251697
>itt anon just got postponed into posting cool nip games

>>719253831
>might
if you're facing unemployment don't bet on something that might happen

>>719241912
Problem most jap gachas are low quality they drop and close after sometime.

Good.

>>719253898
I quit with new vision or whatever last time I cared about it's news when they brought mahoujin guru guru I just did check units.

japs cannot into gacha.

posted it again wawawrd rawr xD
gao gao! umuuu

>>719241819 (OP)
where do all the profits go, millions, tens of millions of dollars a month in profit year after year, these games do not cost that much to produce and maintain

>>719254586

The executives' paychecks.

>>719241912
They are too bad in the technical department. They should just have chinks do it and have japanese as writers since chinks are really bad at telling stories

Japanese gacha has some heavy hitters like Dokkan, Legends and Gakumas. Just not juggernaut tier since the majority of people would rather new console games from respective IP like DMC and Tales Of rather than gacha.

>>719253831
If anything we'll likely see things escalate to them going after fanservice in gachas, and we'll be back to the era of cleavage and panties being censored.

>>719246859
>Japan rather play PUBG mobile than Nikke
It's over gacha is finished...

>>719254586
Why would they invest more than they have to in these gaas titles? The point is them being revenue streams to fund other projects and to make shareholders richer.

>>719241819 (OP)
Crazy how China dominates the market

>>719241902
This, they are also significantly lower in quality and use shitty 2D graphics that look worse than flash games.

>>719254750
I mean isn't it the same for china and korea lol There is only a handful of popular gacha like china with genshin, zzz, honkai and korea with BA (only popular in japan) and nikke. The most popular japan gacha is FGO, p&d, pokemon card, monster strike and horse girl

I don't care what happens, I just need Square Enix to die.

>>719254945
They were smart by copying so much they manage to actually make content faster and even better animation

>>719241819 (OP)
>Alwei, representative of Indie-Us Games, a Japanese company specializing in Unreal Engine development
Good for them, fuck mobile shit. Literally the definition of press one button to be flashy

We have to come to a point with live service games such as these where, as more and more players congeal into their respective forever game of choice, there simply can no longer be enough players to sustain new games. Unless every customer plays 6+ gachas at any given time.

Japs finally have gacha fatigue

>>719248864
The former is 10 hours of fun that I can maybe re experience if I want, or move on. The latter you quickly get into a loop of logging in daily to do daily chores, not because you're still having fun but because you've formed an unhealthy habit of logging in every day.

Once again Mihoyo superiority is unmatched.

>dude this gacha shit is so generous you can log in and do daily quest every days to roll 10 times every month
>also don't forget to grind your ass for random RNG equipments
Every fucking gacha

>>719254945
Japan has an actual video game market as well as a R18 h-game market, so there is no need for them to shit out endless casino games.

>>719255502
And none of them make as much money as Mihoyo right now

>>719255587
Why do they need to make as much money as mihoyo? Do you make as much money as Mihoyo?
Also Monster Strike or fgo or whatever horse girl make more money than mihoyo in japan

>>719255464
Also when they claim something is generous it's always in comparison to the worst offenders like old FGO. I've heard horror stories of people spending thousands and not getting the character, I sure fucking hope the gacha you're trying to shill is better than that.

>>719243440
LADS is Chinese
Japanese gacha is dying because they just want to make money while skipping the part where they put in money. Hoyo games and LADS are high quality experiences instead of png collectors and rightfully make bank on them.

>>719255587
No fucking shit gambling is going to be far more profitable than actual video games. Thanks for stating the obvious.

>>719255874
>high quality experiences
Suck my ass

>>719241912
Taiwan would be in even better position, since it could even be uncensored.

>>719241902
they're also worse because they keep resurrecting old IPs for shitty cash-ins with fixed expiration date even if they make crazy money

>>719255874
None of these predatory slot machines with a vidya skin offers you a high quality experience. At the end of the day they're just resource management/ daily quest sims that use FOMO and other manipulative tricks to hook you. You're no better than that video of Boomers at casinos pressing the touchscreen as the slot machine spams lights and sounds

>>719255464
I dont know if it happens with gachas since I have only played one but I remember the rewards being better on sundays so they take advantage of your day off to keep you glued to the game.
Anyways at least these gacha devs have the courtesy of repurposing it as a single player offline experience.
https://ci-en.dlsite.com/creator/30873
They did normal games before so maybe thats why they are doing this. Most gacha devs dont have any passion for it, its just a soulless product to them to discard when it loses money and churn out a new ones.
I normally wouldn't care but many VN devs have stopped doing real games for gacha.
If making them offline single player was more common, maybe I would see the value in gachas.

>>719256084
okay now post one with gbf or fgo combat

>>719256084
>Good visual style
>Nice flowing animations
>Detailed environment
>Cute characters
>Posting a deliberate bad example of ZZZ gameplay
>WOW LOOK AT THIS WEBM THIS GAME IS SO BORING
why are you like this?

>>719241819 (OP)
Japan for too long has stuck their nose up at going global and appealing to a bigger demo. And before some nigger drops into say that only means more woke shit etc etc. SQ has been woke for decades. But Japan as a whole has largely believed that their on domestic market will save them. This just isn’t the case in 2025. Those dog shit JPEG gachas will not cut it compared to anything from Mihomo.

>>719256739
No, that's a good representation of the awful gameplay in that garbage "game". It's a high budget casino game with subpar action

>>719256813
But anon, global audience buys Japanese games BECAUSE they feel Japanese. If their industry starts catering to global trends they'll lose identity and what audience they already have.

>>719256275
>shit on gacha
>BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER GACHA
You're not very bright are you.

>>719256739
nta, i still log in sometimes but honestly the game is dog shit, same with genshin and wuthering wove whatever

>>719241819 (OP)
Total Chinese Victory. They are about to get culturally dominated like they were in the Tang era.

>>719245460
Japancels are so fucking funny when they’re getting raped and Chang and Kim lmao

>>719248864
The average console game is about 40 hours assuming you play the game with a guide and taking the path of least resistance. Gachafags are retarded because they get to move their JPEG across the screen and think it’s peak.

Why do gacha rats always try to argue that "game 1 makes more money than game 2 = game 1 is more gooder than game 2"?

>>719257223\
> getting raped and Chang and Kim
What?
Why are you keep RP as chinese, anon? Are you Vietnamese?

>Kim
>raping anything
huehuehuehue

>>719256941
Going global doesn’t mean turning characters fucking trans. Mihomo makes global games because their games look like HD anime come to life. I love Atlus but imagine P6 looking like ZZZ instead of Metaphor. I don’t mean aesthetically I mean in terms of animations and shit.

>tekashi still seething that the samurai got farted on by Chang and Kim

hahahaaaaaaa

>>719257974
There is a reason why P4 is old but still has the best atmospheric, Mihoyo games are just a bunch of anime shit copypaste clusterfuck

>>719258048
Man, piss off. I bet you're play none of these gacha trash and just come here to /pol/ shitting. imagine pretending as asian monkey, pathetic

pEdoRIC don't run from your failures you dograping loser.

>>719254684

Genshin Impact is a clone of Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. The Japanese can make good gacha on the level Genshin Impact. Just make One Punch Man but open world where you do missions and quests and those missions/quests have their own stories. And when I say missions and quests, I mean fighting monsters and other villains. I have played One Punch Man World and the last time I played it, I did a mission where I went into a movie theater and watched a movie and there was a mini game, I think. Anyway, it should have been more like LoZ: Breath of the Wild where you just run around the city fighting monsters instead of doing slice-of-life type quests.

Also, does it have to be gacha/gambling mechanics? Fortnite is not gacha and it is raking in hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars a year. Same with CoD.

>>719254750

People in 1st world countries tend to buy video game titles on console and PC. But video game players in South Korea(which is also first world), and 3rd world regions such as China, South East Asia and others, are more reluctant to buy a $70 video game title. They would rather spend $10, $14, $20 on cosmetics or to gamble for those cosmetics in a free-to-play game. And many mobile games and PC titles in East and South East Asia are free-to-play so that Asians won't pirate the games.

>>719259342
>>719254750

Gamers in Japan, Europe and North America are different from gamers in South East Asia and the third world.

>>719257974
Yeah, I get what you're saying. You can chase the global demo without selling your soul. It's about polish and production, not rewriting every character into a checklist. Mihoyo figured out that waifus with god-tier animation and slick UI is universal currency. Atlus still thinks anime cutins in Unreal Engine counts as evolution. No one’s saying P6 needs to look like someone's ZZZ OC, just give me models that don’t animate like PS2 relics ffs.

>>719256739
>but guys everything else about the game is amazing
yah no shit retard that doesn’t excuse the gameplay being on the same tier as psongs

Good. Fuck them for starting this shitty trend

>>719261358
Did they really start it? It feels like this shit is just the next evolution from these god awful idle browser games or facebook games. You know the ones, where you have to build a spaceship fleet or build your garden, but every time you click on something it takes 200 fucking hours or you pay 5 bucks to speed it up.

>>719251697
>Shadow Labyrinth
Is this actually any good? It seems kinda funny as a weird edgy Pac-Man game but as a Metroidvania I know it reviewed kinda meh

japs see gachashit just like they do pachinko, a low effort way to scam gambling addicts out of money using popular ips as jingling keys. if you look at the top jap gachashits all but one or two of them is milking decade+ old franchises. they just squeeze the players until the cow is try and then eos the game and start over with a new one.

>>719262609
pretty based honestly
trying to turn gacha slop into "real games" is like trying to make a meal out of dogshit and discarded condoms
they're all fucking boring to play and the only reason anyone even gives a shit about them is waifu faggotry and availability (every jeet and SEAmonkey) seems to have a smartphone nowadays

>>719241819 (OP)
And people will still try and deny that they're getting mogged by China and Korea.

>>719245460
My brother in Christ who the fuck do you think are the biggest financial backers of all of these gachas? It's the Japanese. Japan is by far the biggest market for basically every gacha game outside of the obvious Mihomo ones where it's fucking state mandated CCP propoganda to play and pay on them.

>>719241819 (OP)
Then move to handhelds lmao, which was the solution to lower-budget development studios for generations.

>>719241902
They're the ones who pioneered the bullshit in the genre and completely fucked over the trajectory of Korea/China by making their youth who develop games think gachashit is peak gaming. I believe Japanese gacha only started not doing as bullshit pities (lol FGO) when they got pressed by the Koreans/Chinese who were forced to be more "generous" in order to slice off market share years ago

>>719265394
No they arent, its taiwan and china.
Taiwan arguably are the largest consumer of asian otaku media.

>>719241819 (OP)
>have to make games that are actually good, with real gameplay, that sell to millions of people instead of freemium dogshit that can be supported by exploiting the mental illness of a few hundred whales that you can keep hooked with fomo and powercreep
mobile games were always a mistake, it was always a dead end because transitioning away from this profit method is incredibly difficult