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Anonymous No.719246858 >>719247176 >>719247214 >>719247369 >>719247397 >>719247648 >>719247684 >>719247974 >>719248432 >>719248803 >>719248814 >>719248821 >>719249121 >>719249358 >>719249408 >>719249560 >>719249714 >>719250321 >>719250356 >>719250467 >>719250470 >>719251443 >>719252764 >>719253214 >>719253367 >>719257901 >>719257997 >>719258024 >>719258208 >>719259520 >>719262073 >>719262353 >>719262870 >>719263220 >>719263763 >>719265201 >>719267121 >>719267571 >>719268728
Warhammer 40k
Why has no one made a game that's just a 1:1 recreation of the board game?
Anonymous No.719247176 >>719251763
>>719246858 (OP)
Because it's a liceneced IP and Gw wouldn't allow it?

Also the game is fucking terrible and most of the appeal is the arts and crafts, with gameplay only being an excuse to use your stuff instead of letting it collect dust
Anonymous No.719247214 >>719247717
>>719246858 (OP)
Thats what starcraft was going to be but in real time.
Starcraft was originally gonna be a 40k game hence why zerg are tyranids.
Anonymous No.719247235 >>719250882 >>719258781
Tabletop Simulator
Anonymous No.719247369 >>719247834 >>719247929
>>719246858 (OP)
because the books, video games, animations and everything are just there to get you to buy the plastic. making a video game that is just the tabletop, with you not needing to buy any plastic defeats the whole purpose of licensing the IP to bring people in.
Anonymous No.719247397 >>719248363
>>719246858 (OP)
Because then how will GW justify selling little plastic dudes for $70 a pair?
Anonymous No.719247648
>>719246858 (OP)
Warhammer Epic 40000: Final Liberation
Unless you mean whipping out your digital measuring tape and throwing weighted dice in the toilet
Anonymous No.719247684
>>719246858 (OP)
GW explicitly does not want a digital competitor to the tabletop game.
They have enough addicts buying plastic crack. They don't want to undermine that so people buy less plastic crack.
Anonymous No.719247717
>>719247214
That’s not even close to what he’s asking.

Besides, that wasn’t going to be the case with StarCraft.
Anonymous No.719247834 >>719247916 >>719248000 >>719248120 >>719249054 >>719249358 >>719259783
>>719247369
Nothings stopping them using the same monitization model in the game
Hell they could even get away with making it gatcha based.

F2p game where you buy armies or soldier pulls would unironically make way more money than the physical plastic
You could even sell the option to repaint them
Anonymous No.719247916 >>719249829
>>719247834
>He doesn't know
A box of space marines runs for $50 at minimum. You need multiples to field an army
No digital monetization can compete with that.
Anonymous No.719247929
>>719247369
So it's My Little Pony for adult men
It all makes sense now
Anonymous No.719247974
>>719246858 (OP)
Why the fuck would GW give up their cash cow like that?
Anonymous No.719248000
>>719247834
>Nothings stopping them using the same monitization model in the game
Do you have any idea how much Warhammer costs?
Gaymers lose their minds over single $70 purchase
Anonymous No.719248114 >>719251014 >>719256838
Anonymous No.719248120 >>719248678 >>719250312
>>719247834
Ah yes, a free to play game where in order to play the main game with the recommended army size you need to spend at least $120...
Anonymous No.719248239 >>719249051 >>719254172 >>719257819 >>719258781
Doesn't Table Top Simulator let you play 40k inside it?
Anonymous No.719248363 >>719248934
>>719247397
>for $70
OI GUV'NA, YER KILLIN' ME (AN ME MUM)
Wot u mean '80 quid's a bit naff', m8? Gettin yer knickers inna twist all over payin' just a hair unda 100 bingbongs fer top quali'y plastic soljuhs.
At 150 of 'is majesty's royal Doubloons per half model (no paint included) I'm losin' all me pint munniez.
Anyway, I'll just nip on down to the barristers, see wot those chaps can do about the 50 quid you owe me...
Anonymous No.719248432 >>719249043 >>719251397 >>719252473
>>719246858 (OP)
the game kind of sucks
Anonymous No.719248678
>>719248120
>recommended army size
>$120
lol
lmao
Anonymous No.719248803
>>719246858 (OP)
Why would you want to play 40k? The game fucking sucks and is only there to give people’s overpriced plastic some kind of practical use
Anonymous No.719248814
>>719246858 (OP)
Because painting minis is more fun than playing the actual game 99% of which is "i have a line of sight - noooooo you do not"
Anonymous No.719248821
>>719246858 (OP)
Anonymous No.719248934
>>719248363
Accurate retelling of GW sales personnel encountere
Anonymous No.719249043 >>719249304 >>719256901
>>719248432
10e is rancid dogshit. Earlier editions were cooler, mostly around 3e-4e
Anonymous No.719249051 >>719252983 >>719253369 >>719257940 >>719258781
>>719248239
Yes but the only reason they get away with it is that they super pinky promise they don't make money from it. Its all unlicensed fans modeling and building the game inside their system.
Anonymous No.719249054 >>719249876
>>719247834
>download game
>accidently click the $2000 titan buy it now option

Fuck.
Anonymous No.719249121
>>719246858 (OP)
Cause tabletop is shit? People only "play" it to flex on poors, or justify their poor financial decisions
Anonymous No.719249176
1. GW doesn't want that because they think it will cut into their plastic sales if people can play the game online. Which is stupid for a couple reasons, namely
2. The actual game is dogshit and would be even worse in a vidya context where you aren't chilling with the other bros at the LGS while waiting for your opponent to take their 45 minute turn

tabletop accurate kill team has potential if GW would stop dropping new editions every time the wind changes direction
Anonymous No.719249304 >>719257761 >>719257923 >>719267102
>>719249043
>Started playing nids around 3e
>Pages and pages of customization options
>Increase genestealer's save
>Give them an extra attack with scything claws
>Adrenal glands, poison sacks, grenade equivalent etc
>Look in on recent codex
>Nothing
what the hell happened?
Anonymous No.719249358 >>719249509
>>719246858 (OP)
>>719247834
Honestly they probably could make more money doing this, even if the cost of getting into the game was significantly cheaper, just by making it accessible to more people. But GW has always been more traditional and behind the curve when it comes to business so it's not likely to happen. At best they'll launch an offshoot online only skub version of the game that they directly control and have such horrible monetization in that nobody will play it.
Anonymous No.719249408
>>719246858 (OP)
The army and terrain building is 99% of the game. You could easily play Warhammer with a pen and paper and save hundreds if not thousands of dollars but the crafting is where most people get the enjoyment.
Anonymous No.719249453
It's one of the worst games around, and latest editions have suffered badly from MTG-ification.
Last edition that was fun with friends was either 2nd(for lots of funny rules and super detailed vehicles rules) or 4th, and they still need lots of houseruling, friendly attitude etc. to be enjoyable.
Anonymous No.719249498
If they released warhammer 40k's tabletop as a videogame it'd get absolutely savaged for being a fucking awful mess. People only put up with it because it's the biggest dog in tabletop, not because it's actually any good.
Anonymous No.719249509 >>719249954
>>719249358
If all the other video games combined are only a drop in a bucket of their revenue, then i doubt abandoning their core business for digital is a smart idea.
Plus that would require layoffs, since digital model requires a lot less people, and GW is very close with local government and they wouldn't appreciate that
Anonymous No.719249560 >>719250068
>>719246858 (OP)
Because they've got a system where they sell plastic as gold and screwing with that system is killing the goose that laid golden eggs.
Anonymous No.719249714
>>719246858 (OP)
40K is like 3 hobbies combine, they'll hurt themselves by making one of those parts more accesible
Anonymous No.719249829 >>719249939
>>719247916
The first box of space marines released was £9 for thirty minis. A modern kit of the same guys gets you 18 for £45
Anonymous No.719249876
>>719249054
Can you refund dlc if you've played the main game for more than 2 hours?
Anonymous No.719249939 >>719250239
>>719249829
>Wibbly Wobbly dollars
Sorry I talk in American cold hard cash
Anonymous No.719249954 >>719250097 >>719250132
>>719249509
I doubt they would abanon physical
But magic the gathering has a digital version and a physical version

I dont see why 40k couldnt.
Anonymous No.719250068 >>719250931 >>719251285 >>719251437 >>719251674
>>719249560
How they are even able to keep their scam going after resin 3D printing has become a thing is a miracle. Gotta hand it to their marketing team.

You could probably get a resin 3D printer for the same price as a single box of space marines these days.
Anonymous No.719250097
>>719249954
Magic the gathering lives on as a speculation thing and has been specking more and more into hiding lottery tickets in physical lootboxes to remain profitable.
Warhammer isn't selling you random chance, so that model of selling physical doesn't work
Anonymous No.719250132
>>719249954
A lot of people actually like MtG for the gameplay, not just the art on the cards.
Anonymous No.719250239
>>719249939
Sorry, when it was first released it was 3 big macs, now it's 9 big macs (adjusted to McDonald's pricing at the times)
Anonymous No.719250312 >>719251951
>>719248120
>order to play the main game with the recommended army size you need to spend at least $120...
To have a playable force for under $120 (as priced by GW, not 2nd hand offloads) you'd have to play a low model side game
Anonymous No.719250321
>>719246858 (OP)
They did with the very first game based on 40k with Final Liberation all the way back in 1997.
Battlesector is very close to the tabletop released in 2021.
Before that they released Space Hulk: Tactics which is an adaptation of the tabletop in 2018.
Before that was Armageddon which was released in 2014, it used to be on steam but is now delisted.
Basically OP you're a retard who doesn't know what you're talking about because they've done it many times already.
Anonymous No.719250356 >>719250516 >>719257210
>>719246858 (OP)
The sole reason Total War Warhammer exists is because GW had completely abandoned the franchise, nuking the old world. They probably felt very stupid when the game reignited interest in it but had no more models to sell.
Anonymous No.719250467
>>719246858 (OP)
>why hasn't GW licensed a studio to produce a digital replica of their primary product without the need for billions of shekels' worth of plastic figurines?
OP asking incredibly deep questions
Anonymous No.719250470 >>719251938 >>719252365
>>719246858 (OP)
Tabletop 40k is a fundamentally bad game.
It has a myriad of issues. From extremely slow, one-sided turns, to entire games being decided based off randomness from turn 1 being the norm, to endless powercreep and general bullshit. Its existence is fundamentally tied to the hobby aspect.
It used to have some redeeming qualities as a fun, simulationist game that functioned as something of a story-simulator producing a lot of memorable moments, but that hasn't been the case since 8th edition.
Anonymous No.719250516 >>719250636 >>719250760 >>719257210
>>719250356
>but had no more models to sell
You know they didn't stop selling those models, right?
Anonymous No.719250636 >>719250873
>>719250516
When the first wave of new converts came, they had nothing to sell them any more since they were in the middle of shilling AoS, that's the sole reason why they scrambled something back in a hurry and created the Old World line.
Anonymous No.719250760 >>719251163
>>719250516
>You know they didn't stop selling those models, right?
No, he's right. They did. In 2015 James Workslop ended Warhammer Fantasy and discontinued the product line to push Age of Sigmar.
Within a year of them doing this Vermintide 1 and Total War Warhammer sold millions of copies and brought huge renewed interested to the franchise which was no longer supported.
GW didn't even bring it back until 2024 with Warhammer The Old World completely failing to capitalize on the renewed interest.
Anonymous No.719250873
>>719250636
What the fuck do you thing was inside the boxes sold for AoS?
They just changed the rules and swaped the logo on the packaging.
Skaven was selling shit from 1994 unitl recent, GW doens't have the production means to just launch a new franchise on a dime
Anonymous No.719250882
>>719247235
Smartest post in this thread
Anonymous No.719250931
>>719250068
You're correct but they do a good job of slandering 3D printing as an inferior quality cancer machine and that you need to buy the official™ models to play at official™ stores and official™ tournaments and make sure you put official™ paint and official™ transfers on them
Anonymous No.719251014 >>719251702
>>719248114
So what is that ///REDACTED///
Anonymous No.719251163 >>719251309
>>719250760
Anon they dropped support for the game, not the models.
Whole thread until now is telling you why that's a very important difference.
Anonymous No.719251285
>>719250068
3d printing is great when you can get your hands on high quality scans but most of the time 3rd party models are overdesigned trash
Anonymous No.719251309 >>719251629
>>719251163
>not the models.
They did though the products were not renewed. Some of the models were reused for AoS like some Skaven but none of this changes that the averager NEW FAN who doesn't know about any of this who walks into a hobby shop or GW store isn't going to have any idea what you're talking about, they walked into stores only to learn
>Hey that game based on that thing you like isn't supported anymore, would you like to buy Age of Sigmar?
and then most of them did not buy anything
Anonymous No.719251324
>Trannyhammer
Anonymous No.719251364
Probably because the actual game is trash and edition nostalgia aside it pretty much always has been.
Anonymous No.719251397 >>719252651
>>719248432
ran through the thread looking for someone else who's actually played warhammer

The tabletop game genuinely sucks. It's awful. The fights are decided like 80% by the army builds and 15% by the terrain and 5% by the actual decisions + dice rolls. It's just not a fun game to play.
Anonymous No.719251424
The "game" has always just been an excuse to show your toys to your friends. There's no strategy, no skill, it's just luck and 90% listbuilding, which is tedious and retarded.
Anonymous No.719251437
>>719250068
One of those two is over 100 times more expensive than the other. Can you guess which one?
Anonymous No.719251443
>>719246858 (OP)
They did, it's called tabletop simulator.
Anonymous No.719251546
Remember when Necrom Warriors had the potential to one shot any vehicle on the field with a good roll?
Anonymous No.719251629 >>719251889
>>719251309
Yes Anon, when the thing you want changes packaging the people trying to sell you it will tell you old thing no longer exists and you're out of luck, rather than informing you they just changed the box and you can still buy the same thing
Anonymous No.719251674
>>719250068
the industry is changing but it's a long way
also resin is fucking garbage but plastic printers are getting good enough to print miniatures
Anonymous No.719251702 >>719255404
>>719251014
Probably Blood Ravens with DoW 4
Anonymous No.719251763 >>719268136
>>719247176
FPBP. And its not Games Workshop. Its Gays Wankshop.
Anonymous No.719251889 >>719252595
>>719251629
It wasn't the same thing though. If it was why did they even bother to reboot Warhammer Fantasy with The Old World?
It's almost as if to a new consumer a change as small as the game and name being different is enough for them not to buy it.
Most potential customers would not be convinced by the model shop clerk going
>"Well it's a different game and a different setting with different characters and lore than the thing that you actually wanted BUT SOME of the models are the same or very similar, that'll be $200 please."
Anonymous No.719251938 >>719252470 >>719253502
>>719250470
What stops you and friends from playing an older edition of the game that's more fun than the most recent?
Anonymous No.719251951 >>719252161 >>719252279 >>719253671 >>719267241
>>719250312
>$80 for 10 models

I remember when you could get a box of 12 termagants for $35. Which was the standard for a lot boxes of basic minis. $35 for Space Marine tacticals, Guardsmen, Necron Warriors....

What the fuck happened that we pay double the price for the same amount of dudes?
Anonymous No.719252161 >>719267370
>>719251951
>What if we raised the price and lowered the amount of models? That way each model is worth more to the customer. It's win-win
Anonymous No.719252279 >>719252786 >>719254960
>>719251951
I don't know. I've tried understanding economics and it always seems to just boil down to "Js did a thing in 1913, something about gold, and now eternal inflation no retirement ever lol". Like that's not even conspiracy stuff, that's the fucking mainstream history.

Endless inflation just doesn't sit right in my soul. I want to know what it feels like to buy a burger and fries for a dollar. I want to know how it feels to drink a coffee that cost 50c.
Anonymous No.719252282 >>719252623 >>719252774 >>719252879 >>719254272 >>719255192 >>719263106
The game kinda fucking sucks, I play it but it's mostly as a way to push around my war dollies that I spent countless hours building and painting. It visually looks nice but a video game can play an infinitely better system.

Pic is Last dude I painted
Anonymous No.719252365 >>719252546 >>719252841
>>719250470
There are some good ideas from AoS or some of their spinoff games that GW COULD use to improve 40k as a game as a whole, but I doubt they'll do any of that. Hell, there's ideas from other games I would love for them to try to both speed up the game and tone down the power, but again I doubt they'll do any of that. Warmachine has incredibly easy to read and understand stat blocks and damage rulings that the randomness is still there but ultimately lessened. Hit a dude with low DEF but high ARM and you can potentially do no damage or vice versa. Take out the enemy warcaster and you win as soon as Turn 2, so no more dragged out games, but you can also play for objectives and make taking out your warcaster and units that much harder. Or you got Battletechs "damage happens at the end of the turn" bit as well as the alternating unit activation, so there's a stronger push and pull of player actions. Or fucking Flames of War and the dice bag of activations.

Literally anything is better than what GW does.
Anonymous No.719252470
>>719251938
Did I say there was? I was talking about the quality of the game in response to someone asking about a videogame adaption, which would obviously be about the more recent versions.

That said there's always a difference between playing an old edition of something you like with a couple of likeminded friends compared to the large playing pool of whatever the current norm is.
Anonymous No.719252473
>>719248432
The only correct response
Anonymous No.719252546 >>719252682 >>719252841
>>719252365
If you really believe that, reskin some stuff and make your own better game and make a million bajillion dollarydoos. Then you can pay Thai prostitutes to lick your asshole all day. What, do you hate money?
Anonymous No.719252581 >>719252754
Unironic 40kfag here
It wouldnt sell, the game is not all that good. It's really just a way for hobbyists to do something fun with the real best part of the hobby: the modeling and painting.

Pic related is like 1/4th of my collection.
Anonymous No.719252595 >>719254595 >>719255334
>>719251889
Anon it's literally the same product in a different box.
"Gameplay" or "lore" aren't what you're buying from the store.
Nobody stops you from using it for any game you want to play and nobody grafts a name onto it.

If a kid came to a store and asked for Karl Franz, do you thing the clerk wouldn't just sell him this?
Anonymous No.719252623 >>719253658
>>719252282
Looks great non, how did you kitbash it?
Anonymous No.719252651
>>719251397
i knew something was wrong when i was watching some videos of game sbeing played and the guys playing who knew the game really well could literally just see by the end of turn fucking 2 who was going to win with like 95% chances, what the fuck is this shit
Anonymous No.719252682 >>719252903
>>719252546
>just have trillion marketing dollars
Why would I take a loan like that when I can just play the existing, superior tabletop games goy wokeslop shill?
Anonymous No.719252754
>>719252581
Also should be stated that Pic is pretty old and some of the unfinished models are done now.

Here hovertank
Anonymous No.719252764
>>719246858 (OP)
Battlesector basically is.
Anonymous No.719252774 >>719253658
>>719252282
based alpha legion enjoyer
Anonymous No.719252786
>>719252279
Stop reminding me that real life sicks
Anonymous No.719252841 >>719253281
>>719252365
Yes. But I don't think the point of Warhammer ever was to be or really should be being a genuinely good game though.
It exists to enable the hobby and vice versa. It's a game you're playing with units you've spent money and often significant time on, and can't change or experiment with too easily. It should be fun and memorable more than just strictly better. Especially since you really can't eliminate the randomness.
The fucking hour long singleplayer turns really should go though.
>>719252546
The money isn't in the game though, it's in selling the models.
And more than anything in the IP. Warhammer sells because it's Warhammer. As he said, there ARE better non-warhammer competitors and they do not do amazingly.
Anonymous No.719252879 >>719253658 >>719255192
>>719252282
C00l d00d homie

Here's my Cawl
Anonymous No.719252903
>>719252682
Oh suddenly not so confident with your "better" ideas that's okay kid most people are cowards just like you, it's normal. You're normal.
Anonymous No.719252983 >>719253132
>>719249051
That's not why lol
You can't stop someone from building a simulator, it's protected speech.
You can stop people from selling or giving away 3D copies of your licenses assets, but in practice it's impossible because it would just be torrented by anyone who gives a shit.

It's like MP3s. You can't stop companies from building MP3 players (and they tried), or writing MP3 players and distributed them, so you go after all the piracy and it doesn't stop it at all so you just try to monetize your shit normally which does work fine because piracy involves one extra step and most people aren't willing to do that.
Anonymous No.719253130 >>719253760 >>719253816
Is 40k even worth getting into even if you don't care for Space Marines?
Anonymous No.719253132 >>719253283 >>719253313 >>719253384 >>719253693
>>719252983
Yeah, because GW is known for never abusing the legal process and always respecting the community and third party's rights to make ancillary products.
Anonymous No.719253180
I really want a game with the Phoenix Lords. One of them, at least.
Anonymous No.719253214
>>719246858 (OP)
Probably won't do well as a video game I imagine. Board games are what they are because they're limited to using little plastic bits which you move around IRL. There's no reason to make a video game as limited as that.
Anonymous No.719253281
>>719252841
I used to play between Space Marines (Blood Ravens) and Tyranids because that's what the 4th ed starter box came with. That was also the time when the models and the games rules supported customizing units to ridiculous degrees. You want a Sv 2 Carnifex with T9 and regenerating wounds? Go for it, same for genestealers with Sv 4, and the ability to charge at 12 inches. You don't get anywhere near the amount of customization in either box models or rules anymore. I suppose that's what I'm most upset about. I used to even have a custom Librarian model I made from spare bits of Grey Knight parts and the always great Captain box. He gathers dust in a bin somewhere now...
Anonymous No.719253283 >>719253384 >>719253795
>>719253132
You know that Alphabusa made it up for Patreon pitty bucks?
Only real case was the Astartes guy, but that's because they hired him.
Anonymous No.719253313 >>719253795
>>719253132
they've toned down that behaviour significantly in recent years though. the only takedowns i can think of in the past year have been retards selling 3d prints with actual warhammer names
Anonymous No.719253367
>>719246858 (OP)
Isn't that the Armaggedon game from back yonder?
Anonymous No.719253369 >>719258781 >>719266681
>>719249051
There's tons of board games that were deleted from TTS workshop because of copyright claims even outside of 40k models, of which I'm sure at least some were
The real reason they can get away with it is GW's (and other board game publishers) damage control shills telling you that playing in real life is so much better and that TTS is clunky and it's not as fun as real life or any other buzzwords to convince you to stop playing it for free and buy real models. That's why you can go to TTS workshop and the most popular mods are always filled with 40K models - if GW truly gave a shit these wouldn't be THAT easy to find
Anonymous No.719253384
>>719253283
>>>719253132 #
>You know that Alphabusa made it up for Patreon pitty bucks?
This. The plotline for TTS was running massively off the rails and was going to crash within the next episode or two.
Anonymous No.719253502
>>719251938
>friends
Anonymous No.719253658 >>719254036
>>719252623
Thanks but no kitbash, hes just the basic Chaos Lord model they released last year. Great looking dude, I'm working on a Terminator armour one next with some random shit glued to him.
>>719252879
Looks great man, you mechanicus players must have insane patience for all the little details you need to paint.
>>719252774
Best legion
Anonymous No.719253671
>>719251951
GW literally can't produce models fast enough to keep up with demand so the only way to satisfy investors and increase profits is to increase prices. There is a bottomless pit of whales that will pay whatever price GW sets
Anonymous No.719253693
>>719253132
If they tried to take down tabletop simulator they'd get anally wrecked so hard it would rain blood across the Atlantic.

There's this idea that sending a cease and desist is the highest form of control and it never fails, but that's because it's used to beat up solo guys who are operating under their real names. Anonymous devs and pirates tell them to shove it up their pisshole, and actual companies have lawyers ready to countersue and in some cases a friendly organization will even step up and help.

Games Workshop tolerates Tabletop Simulator because they have no choice. There's NOTHING they can do about it. They are HELPLESS. If they wanted to do anything, they can't. They can't do shit. Totally cucked. Bitchmade. Donezor. Cooked.
Anonymous No.719253760
>>719253130
Not really. The entire setting revolves around space marines. There’s cool side stories but if you aren’t interested in the overall story then they fall flat.
Like my favorite books don’t even have space marines in them at all, but the battle the space marines are fighting - against Chaos - is core to the plot and creates all the context.
Anonymous No.719253795 >>719253950 >>719254961
>>719253283
And the dozens of cases of on-record in-court action?
The fucking spot the space marine incident?
Come on you retarded fucking nigger. Nobody is enough of a dumbshit to unironically pretend GW aren't famous for their atrocious legal precedent. That is pure contrarian drivel.
>>719253313
They put out literally hundreds of lawsuits this fucking year anon, including suing a Battletech channel for making a thing on the Warhammer Battlemech (the literal one on the fucking box).
Anonymous No.719253816
>>719253130
>Is 40k worth getting into
No
Anonymous No.719253950 >>719254360 >>719255334
>>719253795
>make a cool robot from your imagination
>hey guys look at this!
>gets sued into oblivion for copyright infringement because it bears a resemblance
Ayy
Anonymous No.719254036
>>719253658
CSM ain't a treat either, all that armor trim gives me a headache just looking at it

Good models though
Anonymous No.719254172 >>719254350
>>719248239
So how good is that actually? Does it calculate the stats for you, or do you have to do most of the work yourself?
Anonymous No.719254272
>>719252282
I like the Minecraft creeper hammer
Anonymous No.719254350
>>719254172
it is a virtual table with models. With a very minimal amount of work you can import army lists and then can hover over each model to see their stats, rules etcetera, but it's up to YOU to know how to play.

That being said, it's pretty easy to find someone to do a learning game with you. Just have to
>Go into the discord
Anonymous No.719254360
>>719253950
>because it bears a resemblance
It appears it was literally just the name. A name that has been in use by one of GW's competitors for literally 40 fucking years, mind you.
>make a cool robot from your imagination
Funnily enough, no. It was one of the designs that was dubiously licensed from Macross and wound up in a multi-decade legal blackhole due a whole fucking thing with a real estate company who dubiously licensed Macross in the west and made Robotech. Guess it's just cursed.
Anonymous No.719254595 >>719255990
>>719252595
>"Gameplay" or "lore" aren't what you're buying from the store.
Oh so you think people who only know the thing from gameplay and lore from a video game are going to want to invest a ton of time and money into an entirely new different hobby that they will never actually use for it's intended purpose?
Have you ever met a human being before?
Anonymous No.719254960
>>719252279
as the economy becomes more productive it's inherently necessary to increase the money supply because otherwise you get deflation. deflation is bad for many reasons, one being that it means you won't have a job and another is that all your debts get larger and larger and harder to pay off.

inflation is good for inverse reasons as well as some other reasons. yes it erodes the value of your money, but ordinary people don't have money. your assets (home) aren't affected by inflation because price is set by supply and demand, and your wages will theoretically keep pace with inflation for the same reason.

therefore the inflation target is ~2%

>"but none of that seems to be right and i just constantly get fucked"
worker bargaining power has been deliberately eroded for decades, suppressing wages, but that has nothing to do with inflation.
Anonymous No.719254961 >>719255167 >>719255520
>>719253795
i looked it up; their lawyers looked for hundreds of people selling unlicensed warhammer merch and all that other shit so they could sue them
https://spikeybits.com/games-workshop-freezes-assets-amid-world-wide-seller-takedown/
and then this guy that was selling unrelated merch with, like you said, warhammer in the name got caught by that net along with others. gw noticed they fucked up and retracted it.
https://spikeybits.com/gw-dismisses-warhammer-suit-against-sellers-says-sorry/
seems more like a case of extremely retarded heavy-handed legal bullshit than serious attempts to take down unrelated content. you know, a normal day.
also, lmao at my favourite recasters being a target of that lawsuit. they cant do shit to those guys.
Anonymous No.719255167 >>719255431 >>719256940
>>719254961
I cannot fathom what would drive you to give games fucking workshop the slightest benefit of the doubt about anything, let alone their legal fuckery.
Anonymous No.719255192 >>719255843 >>719258148 >>719263512 >>719265183
>>719252282
>>719252879
How the fuck do I do bases properly?
Is GW texture 'paint' an immediate bad move?
Anonymous No.719255334
>>719252595
>do you thing the clerk wouldn't just sell him this?
Considering quality of GW's stores...

>>719253950
>>gets sued into oblivion for copyright infringement because it bears a resemblance
It's not even resemblance (since Battletech mech doesn't suck), just a name, which predates 40k and WHFB.
Anonymous No.719255404
>>719251702
Kinda makes sense. I was thinking it's something green since the font is green. Salamanders aren't redacted earlier. Dark Angels are already in. Other green things are somewhat Sons of Horus (highly unlikely), somewhat Alpha Legion (unlikely but actually interesting idea), somewhat Death Guard (also unlikely). There are also those less known like Sons of Medusa or Disciples of Caliban or Gorgons, but I don't think that's that and they wouldn't be redacted. Fallen? They're not really green. Yet maybe this green is a wrong clue...
Anonymous No.719255431
>>719255167
Must be from /tg/.
Anonymous No.719255520
>>719254961
Fuck spikeybits. It's like the worst and the most scummy site about Warhammer.
Anonymous No.719255673 >>719262439
>try to see the costs of wargaming
>scream at warhammer 40k prices also scream at old fantasy prices, and also smegmar prices
>scale down the conflicts and look at kill team, corvus belli and cyberpunk
GW really really wants you to buy into their expensive model and paint line huh
atleast corvus belli players and CPcombat zone are okay with you using acryllic standee for miniatures
yes it also does help Im a massive weeb
and yes those are massive homages
Anonymous No.719255843
>>719255192
Their texture paints are pretty good, actually, but I haven't compared them to competitors yet. I use Stirland Mud and Agrellan Earth, but agrellan earth is expensive so i texture it in with other basing techniques to vary the base a lot.

Then i just walk around outside and pick up little pebbles to paint.
Anonymous No.719255990 >>719256072 >>719256278 >>719256529 >>719257201
>>719254595
At this point i don't even know what your point is.
If you don't actually want to get into warhammer and only care about Total War merch, that's in store.
If you want to play warhammer, but not a recent edition, the models needed to play that are in store, because the models haven't changed between the game versions

The only thing you'd pottentially miss out is playing a tournament in a GW store, where you have to play the most recent rule sets, but that's hardly worth your money
Anonymous No.719256072
>>719255990
>At this point i don't even know what your point is.
That you are outsourced shill from /tg/
Anonymous No.719256278
>>719255990
Why are you pretending anybody on earth gets into a new hobby to play an old, unsupported edition of a game? Let alone an old, unsupported game that happens to share some models with a new game (though notably far from all).
This is pure disingenuous bullshit.
Anonymous No.719256529 >>719257210
>>719255990
I don't know if you are being purposefully obtuse or if you are just a retarded /tg/ autist but its literally so simple to understand
>Guy plays Warhammer Fantasy video game
>"Huh neat I want to try Warhammer Fantasy"
>Warhammer Fantasy is no longer supported, no tournaments happen, in the already niche hobby we are now pushing Age of Sigmar because our distributor and lifebood wants us to and to stop pushing Warhammer Fantasy
>WhY dOnT tHeY JuSt bUy An OuT oF PrInT uNSuPpOrTeD vErSiOn???????
Be for real for a second and think about the point of view of someone with literally zero information about the hobby instead of only your own viewpoint.
If I play a Warhammer Fantasy game I like Warhammer Fantasy.
I will not enter a GW store and then be convinced to spend $200+ dollars on Age of Sigmar models and paints and brushes and glue.
Anonymous No.719256724 >>719256870
I spent at least 4k collecting these little bastards; only regret it a little, love me armies.
Anonymous No.719256838
>>719248114
Chaos Bros it's so fucking over...
Anonymous No.719256870
>>719256724
oink-oink
Anonymous No.719256901
>>719249043
But shooting all your guns is cool.
Anonymous No.719256940
>>719255167
10x more reasons to assume stupidity over maliciousness here. they're lawyers that had no idea what warhammer was, didnt care what warhammer was, and were specifically looking for keywords, like "warhammer", to sue in a massive blanket case with no regard for actual investigation. very stupid and shitty, but not specifically targeted.
but there's no point in saying anything more, you obviously wont believe me and i wont believe you. plus, this talk's attracted some spergs.
Anonymous No.719257201 >>719257467
>>719255990
Even if I knew that the new model with a different name is actually the old model of what I want, why would I buy it and support this new game I don't care about when the old one is officially dead?
And not being able to play the newest edition IS a massive deal, you're cut off from most of the fanbase. All 3 wargaming shops in my city just run 40k tournaments of newest edition and nothing else, even if I bought 40k models with the intent to play an older edition I wouldn't have anyone to play it with
Anonymous No.719257210
>>719256529
>OuT oF PrInT
My whole fucking point is that it isn't out of print, or at least wasn't back when that interaction could have taken place.
Read the fucking start of this
>>719250356
>>719250516
The models were there, on the shelf, GW was selling them. They didn't sut thow them all inot an incinerator because rules changed
Anonymous No.719257445
What are the best free 3d print websites/places for minis? Any websites where they're hosted/up for piracy? I want to start printing my own minis
Anonymous No.719257467 >>719257803
>>719257201
>why would I buy it and support this new game I don't care about when the old one is officially dead?
That's a different conversation, but at this point it's you not wanting to buy the product, not GW not selling it to you.
You understand the difference between thing being unavalible and the circumstances around the thing making it not useful to you?
Anonymous No.719257603 >>719257760 >>719257783 >>719261559
the game sucks dick. some of the worst wargame rules ever. and they're obsessed with tournament balance in a game thats impossible to balance. Not because they actually care about tournaments, its just an easy way to generate income by selling a new rulebook and codex every few years and new models everytime the meta changes. a real greedy kike company.

glad I live in an area that actually experiments with wargames and has a thriving community of people who play shit besides 40k.
Anonymous No.719257717 >>719257973 >>719258338
How are Old World and AoS anyway?
I used to proxy play FB a lot around 7th and 8th edition. Also played bit of 40k but absolutely hated it because of how random it felt and game could have been decided in single turn at start.

I also heard that GW got rid of some rules and models guy?
Anonymous No.719257760 >>719258027
>>719257603
>he said, in the 40k thread, on /v/
Anonymous No.719257761
>>719249304
GW wants to cut down on players customizing their models and modifying them plus they want to simplify the rules of the game to make it easier to approach for newbies.
Anonymous No.719257783 >>719258259
>>719257603
How is 30K? Some of the designs look pretty cool now that 40K has been getting more and more sterilized with stuff like Primaris armor. I've heard stuff like vehicles have directional armor and stuff like that?
Anonymous No.719257803
>>719257467
>the complete mental collapse of a /tg/tard when faced with the fact that his "t-t-t-t-the old edition still exists!!!" cope is bullshit and is nobody outside of his circlejerk would ever give it a second thought
Anonymous No.719257819
>>719248239
TTS is kind of a pile of jank shit though
Anonymous No.719257901
>>719246858 (OP)
1. gw don't allow it
2. they already have, sanctus reach, battlesector and all those kind of games are as close to the tabletop as gw will let anyone make
Anonymous No.719257923
>>719249304
Spending points on upgrades meant less models in your army, which meant less model sales.
Anonymous No.719257940 >>719258781
>>719249051
tabletop simulator is one of the best things to ever happen to table top game manufacturers
i've bought so many physical copies of games i'd never have otherwise because i get to try them out for free
Anonymous No.719257973
>>719257717
>I also heard that GW got rid of some rules and models guy?
I think people are just leaving GW rather than being fired. Probably due to low pay
Sort of how Duncan decided he'd earn more on his own
Anonymous No.719257997
>>719246858 (OP)
Because that would reduce their sales of lumps of plastic.
Anonymous No.719258024
>>719246858 (OP)
Total war 40k is coming and will be very close to it,
Anonymous No.719258027
>>719257760
What, you think he’d get actual discussion of 40k on /tg/? Next you’ll be saying people talk about video games on /v/
Anonymous No.719258148
>>719255192
The texture paint is fine, just get some small rocks from outside or very cheap ones from art supply stores and sprinkle them on bases.
Anonymous No.719258208 >>719258714
>>719246858 (OP)
Because unless you're playing on an actual tabletop with your own painted and customized minis the game kinda sucks
Kill Team is fun though

And GW won't shoot themselves in the foot like that, they sell 500USD shit and boxes
Anonymous No.719258259
>>719257783
I like the 30k rules more than 40k. More tactical and narrative. There are armor facings. Its 7th edition 40k with a couple of changes. Also like how they have reactions to breark up the "I Go You Go" monotony. In general GW's specialist games are quite good. Bloowbowl, Warmaster etc.
Anonymous No.719258338 >>719258543 >>719262776
>>719257717
>Old World
Not great. Pretty swingy. It's a rank and file game where most armies want anything other than rank and file. As long as there's no sweats it should be a decent time, but don't look into the new lore.
>AoS
40k with much more melee focus, actual wizards, and actual interactivity aside from "I use Gotcha stratagem #237 to insta-kill your unit". Significantly more variety in faction gameplay. Most battle line units are a fair bit more durable than their 40k counterparts.
Anonymous No.719258543 >>719258586
>>719258338
>actual wizards
I keep forgetting all magic in 40k was reduced to an extra shooting attack for psychers
Anonymous No.719258586
>>719258543
It fucking sucks.
Also fuck painting white.
Anonymous No.719258714 >>719259293
>>719258208
>Because the game kinda sucks
FTFY, paying for minis doesn't change that
Anonymous No.719258781
>>719257940
>>719253369
>>719249051
>>719248239
>>719247235
I will likewise add to the other endorsements of Tabletop Simulator for playing wargames without having to invest in minis. It is fantastic and actually plays faster than real mini games once you're used to it and there are huge benefits like getting to make as large a table/game as you like because theres no need to "reach over the table to grab minis in the center" like there is in real life. There is no concern for practical space requirements, terrain, minis, painting, you just need some good rules and friends to play with, provided you can find the minis you want on the workshop.

If you are interested in learning how to use TTS for wargames there are plenty of tutorials online

this one has been useful for me to learn how to make a custom scenario. Its for setting up a Vietnam War game but the basic principles can be used for setting up any war game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ0qm_4EC_E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjJyNw1I8hY
Anonymous No.719259293 >>719259991 >>719262175
>>719258714
>paying
Anonymous No.719259520
>>719246858 (OP)
Because a small box full of unpainted pieces of plastic costs more than a brand-new videogame.
Anonymous No.719259783 >>719260024
>>719247834
>Ok this red checkwr is Crimblo Faggyius leader of the space marine company
>these black checkers are my regular ol homo marines.
>This thumbtack is brother etan of the adeptus cocksuckius
>this old shoe box is their battle transport I dont give a fuck tank.
What are you gonna do about it?
Anonymous No.719259991
>>719259293
>r*sin
Fucking GROSS.
Anonymous No.719260024
>>719259783
No one. There's that iconic photo of soldiers in either Iraq or Afghanistan doing exactly that
Anonymous No.719260427 >>719262749
I really like Battlefleet Gothic 2, and TW3 is basically the ultimate Warhammer Fantasy game. I don’t really know how you’d do the ultimate 40k game, I don’t want it to be Total War 40k.
Anonymous No.719261559 >>719264772
>>719257603
>sarif industries
Is that a tabletop Deus Ex game?
Anonymous No.719262063 >>719267418
>DOW4
>Primaris Captain Cyrus
>kill Cyrus
>DOW3 graphics
>only 4 races in 2025
JUST
Anonymous No.719262073
>>719246858 (OP)
Closest we got is Gladius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgF_ObK3nHY
Anonymous No.719262154
>get back into model collecting after like 8 years
>actually painting them and having fun
>decide to look at current edition rules
>like half the wargear options and rules are just gone
>everything is braindead, psychic powers are just guns now I guess.
Literally cultists only have a pistol/ccw option now even though there are fairly recent models with flamers and heavy stubbers
Anonymous No.719262156 >>719262265 >>719262693 >>719264552
Can Rogue Trader be a good starter for someone new to 40k?
Anonymous No.719262175
>>719259293
Where do you find your files? Is there a place to find a bunch of these for free?
Anonymous No.719262265
>>719262156
Just play DoW1 like 90% of people who started with vidya
Anonymous No.719262353
>>719246858 (OP)
Because the board game is terrible. It is the worst part of the franchise. No edition of it has ever been good. It exists to give an excuse for miniature collectors to collect and paint miniatures, which are the real core product offered by GW.
Anonymous No.719262439 >>719263320
I'm more curious to see what Gundam will do in term of minis that anything GW
>>719255673
How is infinity? I have heard about it before, but have no idea what it is about
How
Anonymous No.719262693
>>719262156
If you play those kinds of games sure
Anonymous No.719262749
>>719260427
Personally I'd like a 30k game in the style of Nobunaga's Ambition/Gihren's Greed that's just managing whatever legion you pick with shitton of alternative scenarios and routes to do like what if Magnus wasn't retarded or what if Horus wasn't retarded or maybe what if Emperor wasn't retarded
Anonymous No.719262776
>>719258338
I tried aos Spearhead which was fun and easy but no one wanted to play the regular game. That and the lore is absolute trash but I still wanted to play the game.
Anonymous No.719262870
>>719246858 (OP)
You're supposed to by figures if you want to play that.
Anonymous No.719263106
>>719252282
Good job but wtf is that hammer colour
Is it Lore related
Like a nurgle nigger aids hammer
Anonymous No.719263220
>>719246858 (OP)
GW has historical been skitty about offering the liscense for fear that to good of a videogame would cut into tabletop sales.
Yes, it does sound stupid and I personally know several people who wanted a figure of their favorite LL after having played Total Warhammer only to find out it doesn't exist.
That, however, does not stop GW from going full retard with it. They are probably convinced a 1:1 with any version of the table top adding animations to all the pieces would somehow drive them out of business.
Anonymous No.719263320
>>719262439
>How is infinity? I have heard about it before, but have no idea what it is about
its definitely more skirmish mission oriented and I like the setting
Anonymous No.719263512
>>719255192
Depends on the style you want to go with.
For volcanic or parched earth you can dab on a texture paint a little thick and watch it crackle up before following up with paints.
For more earthy feels you can apply white type glue to the base then dump on sand. Give it a quick touch up with some more white glue and terrain frock to look grass landy.
Green stuff can be kneaded and shaped into many things if you want bricks.
Anonymous No.719263763 >>719264581
>>719246858 (OP)
Because 40k is a joke of a wargame. Despite decades of rules they still have to keep bandaiding bullshit to support the insanely outdated "I go, you go" structure that leads to the entire game being decided in a single turn in 99% of games. It used to be the first turn, now it's the second since they just stopped letting you do things since cramming 2k points into a smaller square made everything hyperlethal with no setup ATOP still deciding that one guy deleting everything on his turn with no counterplay or resistance is somehow good game design.

Fuck James and their retarded rules writers.
Anonymous No.719264552
>>719262156
It's probably one of the more head-first choices you can go with. If I thought there was any particularly bad starting point, it might be Rogue Trader.
But ultimately the franchise isn't something you really need a specific starting point for. Just play whatever.
Anonymous No.719264581 >>719264843 >>719264894 >>719266091
>>719263763
This.
40k as a game is a bad joke. Imagine spending hundreds on an army and spending several dozen hours painting it and you show up for a game with some dipstick Eldar player who hasn't even primed his minis, and you automatically lose because he's playing meta.
Anonymous No.719264772
>>719261559
nah its just a cyberpunky image found online than shrunk down and printed out to use as an advertisement poster in the terrain
Anonymous No.719264843
>>719264581
Imagine having the largest market and experience in wargaming and you still can't just fix the feeling of "oh, all my units were just wiped off the board in your turn and I never got to do anything with them."

Four fucking decades.
Anonymous No.719264894 >>719265413
>>719264581
I remember Taudar, it was a terrible time. Same for when Necrons got their section detachments and were nigh unstoppable. GW has a habit of releasing stuff that breaks their game then sells the solution t it as well. If you just buy models to paint as a hobby then it’s mostly fine.
Anonymous No.719265183
>>719255192
don't waste your time with GW texture paint. Like all citadel products, its not bad but its not so much better than competitors that the price is justified.
Anonymous No.719265201
>>719246858 (OP)
You mean tabletop simulator?
Anonymous No.719265413
>>719264894
7th edition invisible Wraithknights and detachments were gigacancer but if you weren't totally new you could easily say "nah not interested in playing against that" and it was pretty much that simple.

Now meta play is fundamental and there's no real easy way to say "no, I don't want to play against your list for being too strong" because things are so much muddier than just an OP formation now. Then they went and reduced the playspace so now every shooting army has range on you from spawn with their guns that matter. Now they've applied fix after fix to try and make this system work. But it's never going to work because it never feels good to lose a key unit without it ever getting to do something in a game, and there's zero reason the rules should be designed this way. Battletech has had simultaneous results as long as 40k has existed. It isn't hard to fundamentally fix. Now GW has hit the critical mass where they can totally coast on retarded bullshit because enough people jerk off to space marines they don't have to try.
Anonymous No.719266091 >>719266278 >>719266927
>>719264581
Never got into tabletop, whats so bad abour eldar?
Anonymous No.719266278 >>719266664
>>719266091
Nothing now. Years ago they were OP. They've had a tendency to be OP because their entire shtick is a small, elite army wihere each unit is basically a specialist. They've traditionally had really good pskers, shooters, and melee to be found across their range. This usually makes them pretty good by default because this army construction is generally what you want in anything really, specialists who are all really good at doing what they're supposed to do.
Anonymous No.719266664
>>719266278
minor caveat I say small and elite but really I just mean "smaller" compared to a lot. There are more "elite" armies than them but they often tend to be overly elite with too few units and a range that's much more limited (Custodes for example). Eldar has historically continued to hit a general sweetspot.

by the way, Primaris Space Marines are designed largely like Eldar, as opposed to the prior firstborn SM setup being a whole bunch of mixed weapon units and a much more "jack of all trades" setup. Naturally this has made them much stronger generally speaking, but everything comes down to a lot more nuance of rules writing than just generalities for why things are really OP or not.
Anonymous No.719266681
>>719253369
Playing in real life genuinely is better, actual in-person socialisation with a friend always beats talking online and you get a sense of accomplishment from seeing your nicely painted army on the field.
Anonymous No.719266927
>>719266091
Eldar are a "glass cannon" army.
They are fast, they hit extremely hard, and their weakness is their low durability.
But 40k is a turn-based game, which means their low durability isn't a big deal when they get to utilize all of their speed and firepower at once with impunity.
Due to this, Eldar have a tendency to be an Alpba Strime army; they'll spend a turn or two getting into position while playing super carefully, and then in a single turn they'll do one bignattack that cripples their opponent, if not outright wiping them off the board wholesale. They then tag objectives with their exceedingly fast units and score points while their opponent tries (and often fails) to salvage the situation.
It's an utterly unfun army to fight as the first turns are spent trying to head off the Alpha Strike, and then when it happens either the Eldar player has won by crippling the enemy, or they're in a completely disadvantaged position where they'll be crippled instead when their opponent shoots back.
Over the years Eldar have constantly had broken rules and ability combos that encourage dickbag moves. Combined with Eldar having awful lore and beung generally unlikeable, this makes it so most Eldar players are hyper-competitive players who just want to rack up easy wins regardless of how little fun their oppinents have, and who will also forfeit games the moment it starts not going their way.
Anonymous No.719267102
>>719249304
The game is 100% aimed at tourneyfags now and they'd rather have three or four mediocre games a day than one a weekend.
Anonymous No.719267121
>>719246858 (OP)
its called Tabletop Simulator and the best thing about it is you aren't restricted to playing only games with minis that you own and can just play whatever you can find on the workshop, so if you find you don't like 40k, there are dozens and dozens of different games. I've played everything from Epic 40k, Star Wars to some old school Napoleonic game that only boomers remember and everything in between
Anonymous No.719267241
>>719251951
With the Striking Scorpions they were selling the ancient resin copies of 3rd edition metals at $40 for 5 and they absolutely refuse to reduce prices on models.
Anonymous No.719267370 >>719267549
>>719252161
Except now they've gone from 1500 points standard to 2000 points standard, with the units even cheaper pointswise.

A 10th edition Space Marine army is three times the size of a 3rd edition Space Marine army.
Anonymous No.719267418
>>719262063
>Primaris Captain Cyrus
Yeah Primaris suck I hope GW just stop talking about it at all already and start mixing armors just so you can use angry-face Mk.VII again
>kill Cyrus
I'm pretty sure they edited this video all out of order and we see the moment Cyrus is wounded, which is the reason he gets primaris'ed
>DOW3 graphics
check your glasses dudes, colors are way less vibrant
>only 4 races in 2025
It's more than most RTS games, the exact same as DoW 1 and 2 at launch
Anonymous No.719267549
>>719267370
They did that over 10 years ago now.
By the by 30k's standard is 3k points.
Anonymous No.719267571
>>719246858 (OP)
I could probably get into a digital version of the table top game. Just having to paint and store all those figures is pretty daunting.
Anonymous No.719268136
>>719251763
>its Gays Wankshop
You need to be over 18 to post here
Anonymous No.719268728
>>719246858 (OP)
>just a 1:1 recreation of the board game
I want to have fun anon.
not spend my time arguing about not painted minis and what's canon and what is not