Thread 719248389

>game funded in 2020 (five (5) years ago)
>only just now learning who the seventh (7th) character on a roster of 9 will be
>every other playable character has been publicly since the kickstarter was conceived
super smash flash 2 devs sure do work on a different time scale

>high fidelity pixel art in a modding-driven game meaning anyone who's not extremely skilled will be put off
>an insane cast of assists whereas the actual playables fucking suck
It's a shame it had to be this way.

What new character would they even need to add for the game to regain its popularity? Someone from UT/DR? Hornet? Quote? Isaac?

>launch game
>the "appeal" is that scrimbo bimblo from everyindiegameever 4000 will appear to help with his one (1) attack
fraymakers was doomed from the start

>>719248974
Honestly I don't know why didn't also make most of the assists full fighters too. It's possible they'll get promoted in the future but its still super lame

>>719248974
I think the appeal is supposed to be the custom stuff

>>719249471
Well Rivals of Aether 1 already pretty much fills the void of "Platformer Fighter where I can make ANYTHING??", and with smaller easier sprites to make too, so I dunno

>>719249619
spriterips work better here at least, I guess?
the devs don't expect people to follow a "style" I'm pretty sure

>>719248674
To be fair, the idea of an indie smash clone (as in, pulling characters from different games as opposed to just having an original cast for the game) feels like a doomed prospect. You either get the heavy hitters, or you get some literal whos, or whoever the devs happen to be friends with.
And even when you do get some well known characters, how well they mesh together (either thematically or in terms of design) might be another problem.

>>719249171
It's unfortunately just not practical, unless you simplify the gameplay or visual style to make it more easily reproducible. Making a fighting game character is a pretty time consuming process (you can't just slap a moveset together, you actually have to playtest and tweak it a bunch), usually on the order of months even for Nintendo.
This is why the Fraymakers developers put out mod tools, so to entice people to help fulfill the roster where the devs themselves can't.

>>719249824
It's just unfortunate. It seems the devs had high hopes and ambitions but like you say, an indie crossover fighter is an idea that likely will never work. Obviously it takes a lot of work to make a smash fighter but a base roster of 9 is definitely not nearly enough to make a game that people would want to come back to, even with the workshop

>>719248974
NIKO ON DA FRONT PAGE

>>719250168
I think fighting games is one of those genres (like MMORPGs) that every starry eyed developer wants to dip their feet into, but the reality is that fighting games are really, really tough not to just get right, but also market. Either your game needs to do something really novel (like Your Only Move is Hustle), or be prepared that your fighter is going to be a "Discord fighter" (ie. matchmaking is done through Discords because any in-game online lobbies are dead) from day one.
Hell, I could very well develop a fighting game myself, I have all the technical know-how and artist skills, but I'll rather stick to a "safer" genre, because nobody would want to play my idealized version of a better established or beloved fighting game when they can keep playing it instead (see what happened with all those melee clones).

>>719250296
>3 time loop instead of 4
it's ruined

it's a "she"

>>719248389 (OP)
it's so sad because it's the best-feeling platform fighter out currently

has anyone here actually played any of the workshop stuff?
I think some of it's pretty neat

character in less than an hour

>>719248829
The hottest indie character of 2010, I assume

>>719256952
Who might that be?

>>719257072
Someone who's completely irrelevant in the year 2025, like most of the playable roster

shantae can be a never ever here, too

>>719248829
Game is unsalvageable, because the bar for modding is too high.

>>719258684
i hope it's a ps5

>>719258684
Streams starting :D

Hat Kid :D

The character that will make /v/ do a 180 on this game

>>719260580
decent inclusion i'll give them that

HAT KID ALERT

>Early Access
Back into the trash ye go.

>>719249824
>To be fair, the idea of an indie smash clone (as in, pulling characters from different games as opposed to just having an original cast for the game) feels like a doomed prospect
Well yeah, there's like 5 of them. Imagine if the devs for all of those joined forces to make the ultimate indie platform fighter

>>719262361
Can we make our own hypothetical roster?

>>719248674
>>719258832
This is incorrect, the game flopped because it had few characters, no content, was unpolished, didn't feel good, had an overall unappealing style despite the seeming fidelity. Rivals of Aether on the other hand succeeded because it was built on a great game. Rivals 2 workshop will succeed as well despite requiring 3D skill because of this.

>>719248389 (OP)
>Watcher
Why though, she is the least popular (and memorable) character in StS

>>719260580
Surprised it wasn't Shovel Knight.

>>719263910

Shovel Knight is old hat…then again, so is Hat Kid (literally)

who the fuck cares about hat in time in 2025

>>719263910
he's in brawl now

>>719260580
I like the medley music preview but hat kid ain't gonna save a dead game like this its cute I guess.

>>719264276
Gears for Breakfast because they sure as shit haven't made anything else

>>719263910
I thought it was going to be a hollow knight character since they announced it the same day as silksong's trailer (a week ago)

>>719248389 (OP)
>5 years for 7 characters
good lord

>>719248389 (OP)
When will these games feature indie horror characters?

>>719248389 (OP)
The game is going to bomb based on poor roster choices alone. The devs prioritized assist characters as a gimmick to stand out not realizing that people want characters playable, not assists, even their most requested character they turned into just an assist. And it takes too long to for them to create actual playable characters because they're too busy developing more assists. All in all this is another failed experiment in the platform fighter genre and i can never understand why rights holders allow their characters to be apart of such crossovers, especially for a concept done to death such as indie crossover platform fighters, the novelty wore of and it's not special anymore. Just make an indie crossover RPG or life sim or some other genre.

>>719265018
>i can never understand why rights holders allow their characters to be apart of such crossovers
free money/advertising

>>719249824
>>719250168
>>719250901
Platform fighter, the genre is called platform fighter. The more people call it a "clone" the more they devalue and disrespect the genre making it look bad. No wonder why not more people want to make platform fighters when they know their game will be disrespected by smash fanbase.

>>719264406
The virgin assist trophy vs. the chad actual playable I'll die on the hill that Blade Strangers is fun despite being low budget and half-assed as fuck

>>719265084
That might be their motive but that doesn't work when the game itself doesn't do well, especially assists. Seriously, how many people actually go out of their way to search for the origins of an assist character?

>>719248389 (OP)
>To start your high fidelity indie fighter you shoehorn in 2 other characters from existing indie platform fighters
I like Fishbunjin and Orcane, but those were really retarded decisions for starting roster picks when they could have chosen bigger names that people want in Smash or any fighter. Also the rollback was utter dogshit on release and devs need to find a way to make rollback compatible with custom content.

>>719265640
I thought about playing that game. I wonder if any indie studio creates crossovers of any genre.
All i know about is Nicalis, Ludosity and Inti Creates. I never never into the former and i gave up interest in the latter two.

>>719249171
>It's possible they'll get promoted in the future but its still super lame
1. What are the chances if the game turns out to be a bomb?
2. Even if that's possible how long will it take for an assist to be developed into a full playable character?

>>719265945
Octodad is a pretty based inclusion

>>719265945
rollback doesn't work with workshop characters? wtf it has the same problem rivals 1 does?

>>719266095
ironically the delay-based actually tends to work really well for both base and custom content compared to the kinda eh rollback

How many characters are left?

>>719248389 (OP)
Why are half of the playable characters sea creatures?

>>719265726
only if there's an autistic enough fanbase for it

>>719250168
Indie platform fighters always have tiny rosters, they're lucky to even have as many as the original Smash's base roster. I guess that's about as many as they're able to make with their time and budget, but it does make them all a hard sell next to Smash having nearly 100 at this point.