Thread 719249107

So what's next for Zelda? Any wishes?

>>719249107 (OP)
Not open world.
No crafting.
No gluing shit together.

Dead franchise

>>719249107 (OP)
more open world
more crafting
more gluing stuff together

>>719249107 (OP)
Oracles remake

I can't wait for every ootsnoy to die from a twinkie induced heart attack

>>719249107 (OP)
Dungeons

>>719249107 (OP)
I want Botw 3 just to spit at faggots like this >>719249162

the return to soul

>>719249107 (OP)
More midna like bullshit.

>>719249401
Enjoy your $90 slop (plus dlc).

>>719249487
>pic unrelated

Bring back MM NPC schedules
Loved that

>>719249107 (OP)
An actual Zelda game with actual dungeons and items. Enough of this LE MAKE YOUR OWN FUN sandbox dogshit.

>>719249228
>Dead franchi-ACK

>>719249107 (OP)
Link's Nightmare
A Lynchian island survival horror where you just have to kill everything to survive but you're not sure if you're already dead. Music by Billy Corgan.

>>719249318
>>719249401
>BotWfags admitting they only pretend to like the new shit out of spite
Holy god they've turned into Pokefags

>>719249107 (OP)
>Any wishes?
BotW style game with better combat and a new map.

>>719249582
BotW and TotK literally had that.

>>719249107 (OP)
>Any wishes?
No more weapons with durability.
You do not get everything at the start of the game to solve all puzzles.
Dungeons give you sub items like before so you can access new areas and do new puzzles.
You are locked from areas until you get certain items so that there's some actual sense of progression.
No more Korok Seeds or at least make every Korok Seed after you get the last one needed for upgrades instantly cleared to make 100%ing not a chore like literally every other Zelda game.
Actual dungeons instead of Shrine But Bigger.
Open world Subrosia.
A smaller map than BotW or TotK, it's way too big for its own good.

>>719249563
>Implying Nintendo wont charge $90 for a oot formula Zelda game nowdays

>>719249624
Dead spiritually.

>>719249162
>>719249228
>Zelda thread
>OoTsnoys start instantly seething

>>719249624
y no upd8 for totk? it sold like 20m+ as well ja?

>>719249979
Didn't feel quite the same to me

>>719250008
so explain to me what enemies drop, chests drop, etc if you only get 3 swords in the game? its gonna be so empty without breakable weapons

>>719249107 (OP)
Pick your race zora, goron, human or bird thing

>>719250150
Elden Ring made it work just fine.

>>719250336
omg dude STFU

Who cares?

>>719249107 (OP)
There's no recovering from the last two flops. It's over.

>>719249905
You OOTfaggots have always been the snoys that never liked Nintendo or Zelda to begin with. It's why you have to cling to outdated games out of contrarianism.

>>719250336
>Elden slop being a good example at anything
kys rollslopper

>>719250336
no it didn't, everything you found was unique but also completely fucking useless

it's one thousand times worse than breakable weapons that are at least useful

>>719250336
this game is being praised for rolling around enemies, OOT did that 30 years ago bro

>>719250336
>I-IT'S OKAY WHEN FROMSLOP DOES IT
Shut the fuck up, snoy.

I don't even care what the next Zelda looks like, just don't take six fucking years to make it.

Dungeons? Zelda was replaced by Dark Souls and Nintendo gave up. Only thing Zelda had going for it was equipment based area traversal and mild puzzles.
Hope Souls adds those.

KILL ALL [inset whatever term here]SNOYS WITH FIRE

>>719250336
This really struck a nerve holy shit

>>719250124
That's literally nostalgia. They have more complicated routes and can even react to things like weather and monster attacks as well.

>>719250663
Can you track their schedules?
Are sidequests tied to talking to them at specific times?
As far as I remember BOTW's NPC schedule is way more barebones compared to MMs

>>719249107 (OP)
Have the similar gameplay to Breath of the Wild, but have it take place in an entirely different world with no stupid ass gimmicks like copy-paste sky islands or a bland, boring underground area. Also no crafting shit this time. Just a good story, good gameplay, and an interesting open world.

>>719249107 (OP)
It can stay open world, but only if there is actually shit to do, most of botw&totk is just empty places.

>>719250150
Enemy materials will be used to upgrade weapons and armor like before. You can also do the TotK fusion thing to attach monster pieces to weapons granting them buffs and change elements justifying boss drops later in the game.
Weapons in general would need to be reworked. Maybe some greatswords swing faster but do lower damage, maybe some spears cause elemental effects when thrown in locations, maybe some bows warp gravity to suck enemies in, etc.
Chests will grant you Rupees, consumable items, and smithing materials or blueprints for new weapons. Major chests will be found from side quests or puzzles that grant you armor or unique weaponry ala Bethesda game unique weapons.
Dungeons would give you sub items that could be used in tandem with the weapons and their modifications like WW did with the Hammer + Ice Arrows.

Durability added absolutely nothing to BotW or TotK. It just justifies random chests existing in the world and discourages fighting any mobs because the closer you get to endgame the more weapons it takes to kill enemies for not that much gain compared to early game and you're usually downgrading from Royal to Knight on top of it. You also have no reason not to just bolt to a Hinox, steal its stuff, and work from there because so many of them can be snuck up on or flown onto for free materials and don't pose a threat.

Same deal with using Greatswords at all outside of select moments where you can do free damage (Like Lynel mounting) as their durability is garbage and their damage is super high but super slow, so things like Lynel mounting or backstabs ignore durability loss but let you take advantage of your 144 damage Lynel hammer. You end up just exploiting the system to avoid durability damage as much as possible like using bombs on ChuChus, Keese, and Stalfos instead of actual weapons, or the Master Sword as your axe/pickaxe because why waste actual weapon durability?

>>719249107 (OP)

Classic game with BotW size, and a bit of survival with light camping and sailing.

Also more labyrinths like BotW and TotK. Those were cool.

>>719250150

Different weapons for different and equally viable combat styles? Just no stats.

>>719250652
Souls doesn't have puzzle box dungeons, nor does it have ANY mechanics which would make puzzles interesting.

Just let me have the motorcycle at the beginning of the game instead of the end

>>719250150
magic rings or other equipment

>>719250780
Yes and yes. No amount of nostalgia or handwaving will make NPC scheduling less complex than MM's. This is why N64babies are the worst part of the Zelda fanbase.

>>719251139
BOTW's NPCs are more reactive to stuff, sure, but their schedules are definitely more simplified

>>719249905
They literally only played it for the pretend girlfriend so it's basically the same shit at this point.

>>719249624
was this a pack-in with the switch?

>>719250336
>>719250659
>snoys suddenly love what they call "open world ubislop" when daddy Fromsoft does it

>>719251139
>They do more things without doing anything important to the story

I see, all flash no substance.

I want Zelda devs to play Gothic

Nah. TOTK killed this franchise for me, wish I was joking.

>>719249107 (OP)
Who can still get excited about "next game in franchise" when development cycles are now absurdly long?

Whatever direction they take, I'd like them to stop their crusade against innocent fun mechanics. Like giving you vehicles and only 1 battery to use them for potentially half of the game, depending where on the map you head first. Or letting you make a skateboard but then it breaks in literal seconds. Or giving the fucking Master Sword a cooldown. STOP

I just want them to take the botw map, and add zero content
You know, like totk.

>>719250336
Fromshills once again proving why they're the most hated fanbase (alongside PC and Sony)

Return to sovl

>>719251360
>wow I got this cool bird glider thing and I put a steering wheel on it, look at me go!
>despawns mid-air
Wow

>>719251351
You already samefagged this exact claim in the thread 5 times, OOTsnoy.

>>719249107 (OP)
Assuming no radical changes?
Switch 2 releases only remasters, just like the Wii U and some Funko Pop shovelware gets pushed out by companies like Grezzo.
Current Zelda team is just stuck with a lot of burden accumulated from Japanese work culture, which means a bunch of incompetent oldfags who rose to the top because they could not be fired, only promoted to positions where they did less damage.
>>719249318
>>719249401
>>719250062
The Zelda series has proven to be a necessary system seller, they're not going to hedge their bets on a development model that needs to go over budget and into full damage control mode just to release 1/2 game per console generation.
>>719250026
>Implying they can even make one anymore.
>>719250150
More depth to the items, don't homogeneously spread shit around.
BotW's breakable weapons are just a millstone of suck around the neck of the game.
Not everything needs a fucking Diablo loot treadmill to keep morons entertained.

>>719251403
well, frollsloppers are just a subtype of PCPigs and Snoys after all

>>719251260
Wrong. There are also far more NPCs you can follow around in BotW and watch do things. It also has NPCs that travel long distances over the world that you can meet in various places.

>>719251346
>it doesn't count because I say so
You can ignore every side NPC in MM and see the entire main story. You're a retard with no point.

I want to see something like Zelda 2 with BotW's traversal mechanics and physics puzzles. Think of a traditional Zelda in a more open-ish world with more of a focus on combat. Proper progression, none of that breakable equipment shit.
Open world should be quality over quantity, no need to make it huge just for the sake of being huge. Sandbox elements should be present like BotW but not the main gimmick like TotK. Less really is more sometimes.

>>719250336
Oh, fuck off.

>>719251337
Because they didn't strip out the entire fucking core of Souls to make it a physics fidget toy.

>HOW CAN YOU MAKE UNBREAKABLE WEAPONS IN OPEN WORLD WORK IT'S IMPOSSIBLE ENEMIES WILL HAVE NOTHING TO DROP
>merely mention that another game figured it out
>Nintendofags practically have a fucking heart attack from the sheer rage

>>719251547
You are just lying
None of the BOTW stuff you said shows meaningful scheduling.
MM's NPC cycles are actually important to the gameplay

>>719251381
They should also charge more for it. You know, like totk.

>>719251747
I WANT TO USE THE SAME 5 WEAPONS AND REPAIR THEM BECAUSE I CANT THROW AWAY MY SHINY RED SPEAR CAUSE IT LOOKS SO CUT OMG

This entire thread only proves that these are the 3 worst fanbases in video games.

>>719251747
The funny thing is if tendies played other games they’d know that open worlds can exist without breakable weapons. If you tell them that Zelda towers existed since 2007 they’d shit themselves lmao

>The whole world universally hates durability mechanics in video games
>tendies get a game with dulrability mechanics
>UMMMM ACKSHUALLY

>>719249107 (OP)
They could try making a zelda game.

>>719251931
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/csEWy7C1twYD7jlVW4vzsA/
>38 results

>>719250336
>B-B-B-B-BUT MUH ELDEN SLOP
Laughable.

>>719251809
>meaningful
This is you being angry that you're objectively wrong and trying to add an arbitrary qualifier. MM side NPCs don't matter to the main story either. You're wrong, get over it and go back to saying BotW is bad because of a lack of shitty themed dungeons.

>>719252046
NTA but he's right. Eldenshills and snoys ruined this board

>>719249162
based

and no fucking robots or ancient "magic tech".

/v/ is not ready for this but Twilight Princess was the best Legend of Zelda game and the last good one.

>>719249107 (OP)
finish what they started with botw. they got the open world, now add everything that was stripped from the franchise- a story, dungeons, items, secrets, underwater, swimming mechanics, combat mechanics. totk was another half step, so actually go all out

>>719251948
To play double's advocate, BotW towers really are better than Asscreed. They mostly give you a vantage point to look around and mark your own shit on the map.
But yeah, anyone who outright denies Ubisoft influence here is a lunatic.

>>719252132
>NTA
lol

>>719251931

There's room for one more and that's Nintendo fanboys. Those fuckers are enabling the worst of the worst in anticonsumer practices and are happy with toddler-grade games.

>>719252082
Never said BOTW was bad
Never said NPCs had to matter to the MAIN story
MM's NPC scheduling is more important to the gameplay. This is a fact. Anji getting the letter and you talking to her after she gets it is important. More important than any NPC scheduling in BOTW that I can think of

>>719250336
BoTW alone outsold any Fromsoftware garbage.

>>719249107 (OP)
1910-1930 era setting. Still all same races, going into a protracted war front, dungeons range from attacking enemy fortifications, to forgotten temples with lost magic, to flying fortress bombers, to "potion" runner compounds. Still old enough for swords to matter and new enough to have interesting game mechanics.

>>719252160
Twilight Princess is like taking an OVA and stretching it out into a full season.

maybe i'm weird but i liked totk more than botw almost solely due to the addition of caves and the increased amount of npcs and civilization around the world. i like games where you explore a lot but i would like to find stuff, like dungeons to explore, or dudes to talk to. i do like exploring desolate post-apocalyptic worlds as well but frankly i don't think nintendo is really good at that. i think making a more livelier zelda world is more in line with their skills.

>>719252049
Yes, it's laughable because Nintendo was scared of it enough to delay TotK an extra year. Only to get its thunder stolen by a fucking tabletop sim lol

>>719252229
I think you could combine every 3D Zelda game and they’d have sold less than GTA 5.

>>719249162
FPBP, but also no relation to BOTW in general.

>>719252227
>NPC scheduling is more important to the gameplay. This is a fact
No, that's you making shit up. There are BotW quests where you literally have to tail characters at a certain time of day.

>>719252229
>15% more sales than elden ring
Ouch!
But you forgot one thing, Roblox has twice the user count of botw.

>>719249107 (OP)
Anyone who says "no open world" has literally never played a LoZ game before.

>>719252216
You're only seething because Nintendo is more successful than ever while Valve/Sony/Capcom/Fromsoft/Rare are slowly dying.

>>719252395
>ummmm actually it's us Switch-firsts who are the REAL Zelda fans!!!

>>719249107 (OP)
In depth crafting that's more then X resource + Y resource
Non combat skills
Fishing minigame
Trap making
Grapple hook

>>719252310
GTA5 is also one of the best-selling games of all time thanks to re-releasing on every platform in every generation since it came out.

>>719252142
I'm fine with whatever they do as long as it isn't this. Fuck soi-fi, get it out of my fantasy games. All the Final Fantasy games that did this got shitty as soon as it was revealed too.

>>719252442
>I wasn't born until 1992 and my first Zelda was OoT, but let me tell you about how LoZ was popular for the dungeons that other games already did but better and not the great world exploration!

>>719252216
I 100% agree with you. People botched about a $10 price increase when Sony and Xbox started to do it but tendies are up a $20 increase and asked for second.
Stupid fucking faggots. Honest to god cult.

>>719249107 (OP)
>Any wishes?
enough with the crossdressing
have him actually transform
the meltdowns would be legendary

>>719252442
Who are you quoting?

>>719252442
Just say you're a retarded OoTsnoy that seethes whenever Nintendo is succeeding.

>>719252490
That’s nice, nintendo has re-released and ported bore of the wild a few times now as well. Cope.

>>719252410

I don't care about any of that shit, Anon. I just think fanboys are a necessary, if annoying part of this board. The real cult ruining this place are those fucking tourists and zoomers with their caveman speak.

>>719252579
Okay. You're a retarded OoTsnoy that seethes whenever Nintendo is succeeding.

What did that accomplish?

>>719252442
Idk what you're quoting because it's not me but literally every single Zelda game is designed to be open world on some level. That's literally what the fucking point was for it's initial creation.

>>719252603
>nintendo has re-released and ported bore of the wild a few times now as well
Twice at most.

>>719252260
I wanted to like TotK more. But I didnt like the fusing shit, I thought that BotW did the Zora and Bird areas way better, and it just didn't feel as good to explore. Mayve if TotK came first I would feel differently on that last point.

>>719252142
Robots and ancient magic tech have been in a bunch of Zelda though, the problem is the prevalence throughout BotW and TotK, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess both had essentially robot focused temples.

>>719252442
Only snoys praise flop-era console like the GameCube out of contrarianism. The Switch has been Nintendo's own golden age and it shows.

>>719252357
And you have to do that in MM, and actions you take earlier in the cycle affect what happens later
More
complex

>>719252549
Blow your brains out already.

>>719249162
More open world.
More crafting.
More sandbox stuff.
More chibi Link & Co

>>719252772
That's an interesting take.

>>719252772
>You loved Nintendo as a kid? YOU'RE A FUCKING SONY FANBOY
I don't understand

>>719252641
>wii u
>ported to switch
>ported to switch 2

3 times. Rockstar has
>ps3/xbox 360
>PC
>PS4/xbox
>PS5/xbox
4 times. Okay fine rockstar ported their game one more time than Nintendo. That one extra port sure does explain how one game outside the entire 40 year old franchise.

>>719252691

Happened the same to me. Even if TotK is more of the same and some more new content, I really just finished it because I paid for it. I LOVED BotW, though. I think I just found TotK too tedious, and purposefully obtuse in terms of resource management. Everything is used for everything, but such a big selection ends up being pointless.

Then there's the fusing. Holy shit that sucked.

>>719250860
>Maybe some greatswords swing faster but do lower damage
>The weapon that's twice as big and thrice as large somehow swings faster and hits weaker then a bog standard longsword

zelda in space, like mario galxy, but zelda with a villain who isn't ganondorf or maybe it is ganondorf, but at the end of the game its revealed that it was all a dream so as to not mess with the continuity of the timeline.

>>719252816
Tendies hate past Nintendo. Any form of the past. In a few months they’ll hate the switch 1 as well lmao

>>719252603
GTAV, with just its initial release, sold almost the entirety of BotW's 8-year yield in just a month and a half.

You don't want to play this game.

>>719252798
see?
already losing it just at the suggestion

>>719252816
>if you liked Nintendo as a kid but then betray them when you kid older you're a snoy
Fixed that for you.

>>719252785
>And you have to do that in MM,
You mostly just go to where they are because the routes are so small and everything is fixed. You're acting like they have reactivity when in reality they have a set path and then only branch in a binary manner if you do a specific quest trigger. They also have far fewer reactions to various stimuli. Objectively less complex, and no amount of nostalgia will change that.

>>719252935
Are you retarded? I’m well aware. I was putting the tendie in his place when he boasted about botw outselling Elden rings. Never played a soulsslop in my life either so I’m not just trying to defend Elden ring.

>>719249107 (OP)
How about a masculine Link? Like one that doesn't have child-bearing hips and twink face like the Switch games.

Oh yeah and how about overworld music and actual musical themes?

FUCK BREATH OF THE WILD

>719252982
>betray
They totally aren’t in a cult btw.

>>719249107 (OP)
Oracle of Ages/Seasons remake

>>719252993
I already said
>BOTW's NPCs are more reactive to stuff
But you seem to ignore any point I make
Done replying to you

>>719249624
>Sold more than OoT, WW and TP combined
Oh so we're literally never going back

Ok

>>719250150
>I NEED to be fed slop every 10 seconds in form of a hundred weapons that break after as much as wind blows on it

You fucking ADHD subhuman.

>>719252982
>betray them
jesus christ

The reason why snoys like OoT and MM so much is the "cinematic" elements like auto-jumping and lengthy, unskippable cutscenes. They were never about the actual gameplay. It's why they hate Switch Zelda.

>>719252865
>>ported to switch
Knew you were going to try and pull this. BotW released on both WiiU and Switch simultaneously. It's not a port.
So that's one port. I'm pretty sure there was also a "complete edition" re-release to include the DLC. Two re-releases.

>>719253138
You never know. There was a massive drop off in sales to tears of the dlc, and he was shamed on the world stage when a faggot sim blew his $70 dlc the fuck out.

>>719252994
I am retarded in fact, I meant to quote him lol

>>719253053
>>719253160
Just because you don't like his choice of words doesn't make it any less true

>>719252982
Your grammar's falling off.

>>719253167
I’m pretty sure the Wii U game that started off as a Wii U game and was developed exclusively for the Wii U until the console floundered and they were forced to abandon it and quickly port it over for the launch of said new console, is a Wii U game :)

>>719253236
It's not surprising, a couple of the biggest simps for Nintendo here are European ETLs lol

>>719253235
But I do like his choice of words. It's funny to think people like him exist.

>>719253270
Your headcanon is irrelevant. Two re-releases.

>>719253374
Your coping less so. It was a Wii U port in 2017, and remains so in 2025.

>>719253120
And then you lied about the complexity of their daily routines while trying to undersell how BotW also had routines that were part of quests, but also had more reaction to smaller stimulu within those branching daily paths. You're acting like NPCs in MM didn't do one set routine until you started a quest setting them down a different path. It was decent for the time, but you're drunk if you're pretending it was more complex than BotW routines.

>>719249107 (OP)
TOTK but
>3 existing enemies replaced with 4 new ones
>destructible environment like DK:B (can't dig like DK though)
>it's not Hyrule this time but a side location
>less building stuff
>no more breakable weapons, its more rpg like
>underwater segments return
that's it

>>719253406
So we should be counting xbox/playstaton versions of GTAV as separate releases? Obviously they're developed for one console first and then just ported to the other as a "multiplat."

>>719249624
>e3 2016
>be nintendo
>literally (and I mean LITERALLY) only show 1 game and dedicate the whole showroom floor to it
>get mommy milkers from treehouse to stream it the whole time
>add it as a tie-in with Switch with no real other games except shovelware like 1-2 switch and bomberman r
Gee, I wonder why it was so successful

>>719253494
Nintendos strategy has consistently be to starve their pay piggies and then the pay piggies reward them when they finally release something. Look at the DK tech demo.

>>719249624
I thought you niggas said ALbW is one of the best Zelda games.
Less sales than fucking Hourglassed

>>719249107 (OP)
An actual sequel to BotW, for real this time

>>719252880
This is the Zelda universe.

If this thread stays open long enough, the Switchfags will proclaim that they never liked dungeons in Zelda anyway again.

>>719249107 (OP)
Bring back OoT game design philosophy
>hurr durr nostalgiafag
I played OoT after BotW (which I also loved because it felt magical the first time) and I knew instantly that it's a bigger masterpiece, and I also remember it much better than BotW or TotK (which I didn't like that much because it felt like this game asked me to do the same shit I did in BotW again without explaining why; kinda scammy isn't it. Also the story and dialogue is abysmal dogshit yet nobody points that out).

>>719251319
Nope.

>Switchfags
Shut the fuck up, Gamecubesnoy

>>719249107 (OP)
Botw but with dungeons and a primary sword/shield/bow that don't break. Enemy weapons can still break. Enemies no longer drop bows and shields.

>>719251319
>was this a pack-in with the switch?
No

>>719253642
They're right though, dungeons were an incredibly outdated concept

Zeldafags are autistic as fuck

it's possible to like both dungeons and open world

>>719253863
the very idea that both can't coexist is the fucking problem though

>>719253912
I don't see why they can't coexist

>>719253642
I never liked the 3D dungeons. They're fucking terrible.

>>719250904
cheap edit, here is the real comic

>>719249107 (OP)
My big wants:
Longer form dungeons with some choice in route but no sequence breaking with climbing/gliding.
Redo the weapon system to be closer to the armor/clothes system, where they are permanent (can still have durability but you repair instead of replace) but each has a specific use it excels in:
1H Sword would give access to the TP sword moves but suffer against armor/shields and wouldn't deal full damage on cleave.
2H Swords would always deal full damage on cleave.
Polearms have increased stagger but minimal cleave.
Clubs would deal full damage to armor.
Axes could destroy shields.
Whips (new weapon) could disarm.
Bows would be functionally the same but with less ammo recovery.
Slingshot (new) would be a weaker alternative to bows but can use the various mats you pick up as ammo.
Boomerangs wouldn't require ammo but deal the least damage of any ranged weapon.
Rifles would deal full damage to armor but are slower than bows and with rarer ammo.
Cannons would deal huge area damage without restriction but would have the rarest ammo
Vehicles were neat but I personally just always made the most barebones one for the task at hand. So I'd prefer just a permanent boat that you upgrade in game, land travel can return to horse based but with an upgradable wagon. air travel can be an upgradable hot air balloon with a loftwing.
More Link based movement options, hookshot (give it the OoT needs wood, flora, enemy to grip restriction) to create more robust climbing puzzles. Digging mitts allow going under walls and can be used to enter into the underground like reverse ascend , can also be used to gather buried objects. Permanent snowboard/sheikah hoverboard that can carry downhill momentum over jumps to reach hard to get to areas.
A diving suit and underwater gameplay, primarily collecting and puzzles.
Fishing rod and bug catching net. 1/2

>>719253812
>Modern brainfogged retards no longer have the mental capacity to keep a map of a location in their heads without being fed moment-to-moment directions.
You really hate to see it.

Zelda, TES style Don't lie, you'd buy it

>>719249107 (OP)
More hand-crafted elements, more originality, less copy + paste. And for the love of God, step away from the cringey anime-like voice acting.
Would love for the open world design to remain, though.

>>719249162
>>719249272
This.

>>719254040
More group combat sections like the monster patrol guys from totk, ideally you'd get to build the group you fight alongside.
Shrines can stay, but ideally would have region specific tilesets. (Ie: Shrines in Eldin would look like volcanic caves)
I'd like more Zelda races added: Minish, Twili, Subrosians.
More enemy variety: evil knights are sorely missing from the breath games, Babas camouflaged as collectible plants, skulltulas or little gohmas hidden in trees and on the roofs of caves, aeralfos were missing from the sky ruins in totk, underwater enemies.
Flesh out some of the smaller totk elements: Poison (the confusion mushroom effect or weakening enemy attacks), Light (blinds on hit otherwise illuminates), Gloom (reduce enemy defense) 2/2

>>719254040
>Fishing rod and bug catching net
seriously. especially fishing rod. you can't make a game like botw and not have this.

>>719254056
without mods, fuck no

>>719254040
>but no sequence breaking
>wanting cmostly linear dungeons
I threw up in my mouth.

>>719254056
On concept alone, why wouldn't I?

>>719253863
Yeah, it's called being retarded. Which you'd have to be to enjoy spending 75% of your playtime running through an almost entirely empty open world featuring 2 real towns, copy pasted enemy camps, and fucking koroks. It's no wonder nu/v/ has a hardon for the shitty Ubisoft Zeldas, you retards hate playing games and BotW/TotK barely make you actually play.

>>719254192
>wanting puzzle solving to be an important skill in a puzzle game is bad

>>719254240
>all open worlds have to be empty
why?

>>719253943
>Open world implies bad management causing incoherent and indeterminate development that constructs a homogeneous non-structure with no flow beyond having the player put down the controller
>Dungeons imply good management causing coherent and determined development that constructs a complex structure with flow stemming from the game design itself
They're mutually exclusive unless you reduce the scope of the open world massively or the dungeon is shit.

>>719254319
>implies
there's your problem

>>719249162
open world is good you dumb nigger

>this thread
Legitimately what is wrong with tendies? Other brand fanboys aren't nearly this deranged. Especially that one person who's in literally every thread about Zelda and other Switch games posting from 4-5 IPs and devices calling everyone a [thing]snoy if they're doing anything besides worshiping the latest Switch entries of a Nintendo franchise. Yeah, we've seen similar levels of autism from a few people like Barry or dragonrian but as far as corporate nuthugging goes this guy is on a completely different level from anyone else.

>>719249624
Extremely grim graph if true.

>>719254319
I don't see why making the open world smaller would be a problem.

>>719249107 (OP)
Is just like them to balance more of the classic style with the new style, actual towns and dungeons, a new land that isn’t hyrule with some new races and enemies, the alien invasion idea was cool too so something different like that

>>719254457
would you say they "lost" and "got raped?"

>>719249107 (OP)
More sissy porn of Link though...

>>719254457
It's probably just 3-4 schizos that shit on every thread. Nintendo is very popular anf basically the disney of vidya so it makes sense that there some mentally people who obsess over the brand appear.

Maybe they’ll actually be able to make a good open world game on the Switch 2’s hardware.

damn Eric snoy is still crying after being raped since the summer of 17 and over 900000 times daily?

>>719253580
I'm gonna play devil's advocate and say it's actually nice when there's only one popular game in circulation and everyone bonds over it. It's just that Switch 2 lacks innovation and is overpriced. And I don't happen to care for DK that much.

>>719249228
This. Now it's just another open world sandbox where you run around, hack stuff and collect small power ups you don't actually need until you're sick of it.
Used to primarily be a puzzle game but modern gamers are too stupid for puzzles more complicated than throw the ball in the hole.

>>719252395
/v/'s autism over open world not being Zelda, depsite the devs themselves saying otherwise, is the most /v/ shit I've ever seen

>>719250041
sure thing fag

>>719252691
botw's zora area was cooler but i disagree 100% on the bird place. that was the peak of totk in my opinion.

>>719255140
>/v/
Snoys aren't /v/.

>>719254290
>puzzle means only one way to do things
Only retards think this.

>>719254056
If its Morrowind and Oblivion style then yes, it would be a fun alternative to whatever ES6 will end up being

>>719254457
>posting from 4-5 IPs
What level of cope is this? Any actual Nintendo fan hates snoys and OoTfags and we'll all gladly call you out, Eric.

>>719249624
and india is the greatest country on earth because it has the most people

>>719255418
>start seething at India out of nowhere
Rent free.

>>719255019
>Used to primarily be a puzzle game
Lol? What "puzzles" did the older games have? BotW's shrines and divine beasts are the first game to have actual puzzles. Only issue is it lacked good ambience and atmosphere. Putting them inside isolated sheikah boxes instead of themed dungeons. Older Zelda's weren't so much of a puzzle game as it is a "retain memory of current objectives and room layout with some combat and platforming" game.

I still like older Zelda games but let's not act like BotW dropped the IQ.

>>719255601
>What "puzzles" did the older games have?
Push the block along the arrows and use the double claw on the slowly rotating fan blades and wait.

No idea why I loved Tunic but couldn't push through Link's Awakening on the Switch. Zelda's the blueprint for Tunic, and I don't feel that other than the combat, Tunic does anything too differently.

>>719249107 (OP)
Don't want any more zelda, I'm good.

>>719249107 (OP)
Open world but restrict access to most of it and slowly unlock areas of it as you progress in the game
Keep weapon durability
Remove shrines and do proper dungeons instead
Add talent/skill trees
Make cooking faster
Add items that give permanent buffs (hp/armor/damage/jump height/stamina/run speed/skill points/reduced durability loss on weapons, etc.)
Add a grappling hook

>>719255598
good morning sir

>>719249401
I'm hoping for Breath of the Wild 3 anyway. I still think the gameplay style fits Zelda perfectly. They just need to course correct away from TotK's building mechanics, give it a new map, and emphasize the large dungeons.
I like the numerous small ones, but even I can see that seven or eight big ones would fit the game a lot better.

They could do a sort of Link to the Past style thing where the first four dungeons are intended to be completed linearly as you get your foundational abilities, then the game opens up to you, and you can do the next seven in almost any order.

>stop being ashamed of the green tunic and hat getup, it's good to have alternate outfits but stop burying the iconic hero set so deeply and keeping it out of promo material
>have real dungeons, at least with lock-and-key progression and complex design, not just brief "activate 4/5 thingies" jungle gyms
>Shrines can stay, but massively scale the amount of them WAY back, and make them more unique and give them varied interior decor
>to that end: have Pieces of Heart/Macguffin Orbs as rewards for side quests and even as treasure in the world again, don't confine them all to Shrines (and don't make all the Shrines give them)
>if durability has to stay then just straight up steal Dark Souls' durability mechanic for weapons, where you don't lose the weapons but they become less powerful; fusion could even play off of this, where a fusion can work as a one-time temporary repair for a damaged/broken weapon and can't be fused again until you get it properly repaired (and show us the durability level on weapons for fuck sake, even mods do this)
>don't limit usability of the Master Sword, even if you keep durability; at most, make its peak strength a cooldown against non-boss enemies like how the elemental damage worked on the fire/ice/lightning weapons from BotW
>something's got to give with buff meals; I propose bringing back bottles for potions, and introducing the food equivalent (maybe platters?) to limit how many buff meals you can carry at a time (maybe also a limit on simple restorative meals, but not to the same degree)
>scale back the world size a bit, to allow for more opportunities for diverse locations (even if you reuse basic weather/geological themes, you can dress them up in different ways guys)
>don't give Link centralizing god-level powers from the start, make him earn them through story progress (and have immediate rushes to the final boss rely on pure grit and resource gathering)

>>719255719
The artstyle for both is horrendous

>>719249107 (OP)
honestly just fucking copy elden ring or any other fromslop game at this point

>>719256003
>lock-and-key progression
Stopped reading there.

>>719256139
>REEEEEEEE WHY CAN'T I JUST CLIMB WHEREVER I WANT AT ALL TIMES REEEEEEEE

>>719255304
At no point did I say that, or anything along these lines. I'm arguing that dungeons shouldn't have sequence breaks, IE: You actually have to solve the puzzles. You're retarded.

>>719256050

I like Tunic's. I think it suits the mood and the music.

>>719256003
>stop being ashamed of the green tunic and hat getup, it's good to have alternate outfits but stop burying the iconic hero set so deeply and keeping it out of promo material

What's more, the Wild outfit is the best looking one of the game. It's a great combo of new and legacy elements.

>>719255823
Hey snoy.

Zelda was never good in general. It wasn’t just the open world games. You just played it when you were 8 years old and you’re nostalgic for the character.

>>719256264
>IE: You actually have to solve the puzzles.
I think you meant
>you actually have to push the block slowly and then use the one specific item at the one spot

>>719255418
>and india is the greatest country on earth because it has the most people
That’s a terrible analogy.

>>719256524
I have only played a link to the past, botw and totk and they are all good

1. don't make BotW a third time
2. do something with an interesting setting that isn't just Hyrule, Ganon, Triforce again
All I want.
They can toy around with making it a fully blown Star Wars-like space opera, if they want.
Or go the other way and make something far more traditionally fantasy.
Or kind of start bringing it closer to the modern day. Maybe a 19th or early 20th century kind of setting. Link as a street kid with a flat cap and a six-shooter.

>>719249107 (OP)
Traditional 3d Zelda game (OoT, MM, WW, TP) style. Enough of this open world bullshit with no real dungeons. If you want to combine the two styles sure, that could work too.

>>719249107 (OP)
A Zelda game, not an Ubisoft game. Or at least not do remakes in that dumb chibi tip-down bullshit like Links awakening Remake. Links awakening Remake could have been a great 3D game.

>>719249107 (OP)
TLOZ: Path Of Shadows

Or Link Becomes a Ninja.

Just hear me out for a second.

Feudal-Japanish setting. Our boy Link is in training to be a Samurai to guard the princess, with the training being part info-dump and part controls tutorial. We find out that Link was left in the care of his uncle, a former samurai before being injured, after his mother died in childbirth, with his father having left the scene as a good-for-nothing. Link is already facing scorn as an unwanted child, despite being one of the most promising trainees in Hiryu, land of the flying dragon. He has a chance meeting with the princess Zeruda, who in a moment of frankness, explains her growing discontent with the rigid tenets of their society: "We live, but our lives are not our own. We are puppets dancing to strings woven long ago, enslaving the living in fear of disappointing men long dead."

After a grueling day's training, he goes to sleep, and of course wakes up to an army of demons and monsters overrunning Hiryu. His aunt dies protecting him, and his uncle, katana in hand, trying to prevent the abduction of Zeruda to no avail. In his final moments, his uncle begs forgiveness for his deceit- his father was a better man than he ever was, and he kept up a facade to keep Link safe from enemies. He then gives Link his katana before he perishes.

Things look grim in the aftermath. The emperor is dead, the army is decimated, and the fate of a few samurai-in-training is the last of anyone's worries, with Link and the others being bluntly dismissed as advisors try to piece the kingdom back together. After the funeral for his aunt and uncle, Link is clearly in despair until he receives a nighttime visitor in the form of a Kitsune who explains the mystery behind his uncles' dying words: His parents were Ninja who helped seal away the demon king years ago, but the Yiga clan, responsible for the abduction, plans to use Zeruda as a sacrifice to bring him back into the world.

>>719256524
Link is like the least interesting thing in any Zelda game. He's a blank slate.

>>719256986
>>719256990
>>719257050
I'm hoping for a BoTW 3 more than ever just to make you spamming snoys seethe

>>719255140
"open world is a very vague and malleable term". By modern standards, old GTA isn't even really open world, because you had to unlock parts of the map.

>>719257101
You just had AI shit this out, didn't you?

>>719257180
>series defined at this point by constantly reinventing itself
>let's just stick entirely to one art style (and one map) for ten years
We need to move on from BotW. It was good exactly once.
They rethought the Zelda formula. Some things worked. Some things didn't. Now it's time to re-rethink it, or I'm going to stop caring again, like I did when TP came out.

>>719256990
>Traditional 3d Zelda game (OoT, MM, WW, TP) style
Anything but this.

>>719257180
>nintendo "fan" wants another bad zelda game to spite his boogeymen
>anyone who wants a good zelda game is a sony shill
twilight zone

>>719249162
this this this

>>719257428
>nintendo "fan" wants another bad zelda game
Huh? He didn't say he wants another OoTclone.

No more tribal-looking inspired garbage like ToTK

Zelda is European medieval, or at least European undertones.

>>719257342
They simply have to take botw and fix shit that people didn't like and add new shit along with a more restricted open world that you unlock as you progress in the game along with proper dungeons

>>719257480
OoT "clones" are the best 3d Zelda games.

>>719257180
Snoy? You realize someone who enjoys Oot has played it on a Nintendo console. A Sony fan has a bigger chance of starting with BOTW or TOTK

>>719257428
BoTW and ToTK broke sales records and constantly perfect review scores. You live in your delusional bubble, snoy.

>>719249107 (OP)
https://youtu.be/fxvM1A_uHuI

>>719257608
I had a Ps1 at the same time I had a 64. These retards born in the console war era don't understand that.

>>719249107 (OP)
botw and totk proved that they can get by without intricate temples anymore
It's heckin epic open world wandering from here on out
Enjoy your 10 hours of gameplay
4 hours of scenes
and 30 hours of running around from point A to point B

>>719256631
No I mean, and I will say this as clearly as possible since you're functionally illiterate, that the player being able to climb, or glide, or fly a car around the obstacles that make up the bulk of a dungeon is bad design.

>>719257608
Most Gamecube and N64 "fans" are contrarian snoys.

>>719257590
OoT and it's clones suck. Only MM and WW were any good from the old 3D games, and that's because of their differences compared to OoT.

>>719257682
Zelda games always get 10s everywhere and sell well. But I don't give a shit about metrics like that anyway. My favorite one of the bunch is Twilight Princess and the consensus is that it is the worse.

>>719257549
I want a new setting a new art style as well. I'm bored of the BotW universe.

>>719249107 (OP)
Hire Toby Fox & Deltarune's team to make one

>>719257805
I'm not going to defend TotK, but if you think using a bomb and stasis to turn a hinged ramp into a catapult in BotW is a bad thing, then you don't know shit about puzzle design. Emergent gameplay always trumps simple lock and key puzzles. And you can skip whatever made up scenario you're about to concoct whete old 3D Zelda games didn't have offensively simple puzzles.

>>719250407
>implying he's an OOTfag to try to 'own' someone
not looking good, anyway I guess you can enjoy your shitty version of Gary's Mod for $60+tip.

>>719257101
Unfortunately, Zeruda is being held in the demon world, and only multiple superior masters of magic can open a way there without allowing hell into the world. Cue the hunt for the six remaining sages and Link learning Ninja Arts both mundane and supernatural to add to his samurai training.

As anyone with even a cursory knowledge of how this things go can guess, things escalate to the point where the demon king Ganon WILL return, and the goal becomes the impossible task of finding the one way to wound him badly enough that the sages can reseal him.

Masutāken. A divine sword sealed away for fear that whenever it was unsheathed, calamity would follow.

Gameplay combines stealth and swift, decisive swordplay. Precise countering and striking when foes show an opening is the name of the game over 'mash attack until it dies'. Stealthy assassinations and precise attacks are rewarded with foes becoming increasingly unnerved to the point they become reckless and panic, providing even more opportunities for swift finishes.

I also want to fit in a scene where Ganon assumes Link is some sort of divine agent, because who else could tear through his armies, only to completely lose his shit when he finds out Link is completely mortal.

>>719249107 (OP)
Ported to Playstation(officially). It's going to be announced when the movie comes out.

>>719257234
You'll never know.

>>719249107 (OP)
My wishes don't matter. It's going to be open world slop for the next 50 years at least.

>>719258104
Actually, maybe open world isn't that bad.

>>719257723
When people run out of arguments they always rely on console warring to cover up their retardation.

>>719257723
That was a lot of people. The console war wasn't really "real" back then.
I had an N64, and I would go over my friend's house and play Crash Bandicoot and stuff, or play whatever rando PC games I could get my hands on. All was good.
I feel like internet kids who experienced all of this stuff second hand, and think "fandom" has something to do with squatting in a discord, and spraying shit over everyone else, just have no conception of what the world was back then.

Knowing this dog shit company, it will be botw 3

>>719258501
I hope they add guns and more survival crafting elements

They should give Zelda to Koizumi, and give Earthbound to Aonuma, just to see what happens.

>>719249162
this
>>719250008
also this
>>719250336
true

PapaGenos said that experimental games are tests for potential new entry in a mainline and I choose to believe it. This means that either playable Zelda or a gimmick involving combining objects to even greater scale will happen.

>>719258437
>>719258380
i think console waring started in 7th gen. coincided with early forum and youtube days and teenage millennials. ps3 vs 360 was an absolute bloodbath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfmBzllkbUM

>>719258774
They will make Zelda playable and let you swap between Zelda and Link at any time like some of those popular gacha games

>>719258857
Consolewars have been a thing since the Genesis vs SNES days, you dunce.

Game is set in the 1920's. All weapons are temporary, but Link is a street brawler who uses his fists. Tingle runs a back-alley boxing club.

>>719258952
They were more inventions of marketing than they were real. I never met anyone who only liked Mario and not Sonic.

>>719257723
Anybody who wasn't totally dirt poor had both. It wasn't like consoles costed $500+ back then and you could get them less than half price used.

>>719258952
We're not talking about the same type of console warring. What you're describing was never as tribalistic as it is today until 7th gen.

>>719259079
>I never met anyone who only liked Mario and not Sonic.
Then you're too young to remember what it was pike to ride a school bus in the early 90s.

>>719259210
Maybe it's a purely American brand of retardation.

>>719259180
It absolutely was. You sound like you just want to blame it on Playstation and Xbox so you can pretend Nintendo fans (the group you grew up in) wasn't really part of it.

Next Zelda game should be about Link running a brothel and hiring all the sexy women of Hyrule to work there with Zelda being the last worker that he has to save from Ganon's rape dungeon first

>>719259142
>It wasn't like consoles costed $500+ back then
That's literally about how much they were (if not more) in 90s dollars.

>>719259306
I'm blaming it on Zoomers and their demented levels of internet tribalism, tbf.

>>719259254
Japanese fanboying makes consolewars here look tame. Your damage control isn't working.

>>719249107 (OP)
I hate all these zoomers and young/newfags coming out with this "SO WHATS NEXT FOR ZELDA"

"WHY NO ANNOUNCMENT"

"IS ZELDA FORGOTTEN?!"

This is the way it has always been. Nintendo works on one for half a decade, then blows the doors off of the market. They have done it over and over for 25+ years and will do it again.

But these new fucks have no idea. Botw/TOTK was their first zelda and they dont understand why it doesnt follow the same trends and style of every other major release

>Does Zelda need to let go of the past?
>Why Zelda needs to be a live service title
>What DLC Zelda needs to stay relevant

STOP IT
JUST STOP IT

>>719249107 (OP)
>So what's next for Zelda?
Breath of the Wild's second expansion pack.

i dont care as long as it has items instead of the sheikah slate
also make link green again blue looks ugly on him

I never saw any console wars before seeing it for the first time on 4chan. I had Nintendo, Sega and Sony consoles along with commodore 64 and PCs growing up

>>719259210
nta, I'm 33. When I was a kid, I remember talking about Gamecube, Xbox, and Ps2 with other kids at lunch and there was no vitriol. The earliest "console war" memories I have is 7th gen. Kids straight up about to fight over this shit

>>719251319
>Was this a pack-in with the switch

>>719258952
>Consolewars have been a thing since the Genesis vs SNES days, you dunce.
They were something joked about in advertisements but not taken seriously by anyone, if anything it was companies themselves warring not fanboy armies.
Xbox360/PS3/Wii is when the retards started showing up, same time games in general started going to shit.

>>719259320
Your parents were making as many dollars per hour than you are today tho

>>719259450
Really?
Never heard of the bit wars?
Never heard of the PS3 vs Xbox 360 vs Nintendo wars?

>>719259480
>I'm 33
Then you're too young to remember the Genesis vs SNES days.

>>719259450
>the first time on 4chan.
It definitely was not a 4chan invention. Not in the slightest.

>>719259573
Fair enough. I can't understand why it stopped for a few generations then got worse though.

>>719259402
The idea that a franchise is supposed to be a big yearly release is way too standardised now. People expect it.
Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, Souls, Yakuza, Star Wars, Marvel.
People have been primed to think this is just how stuff works.

>>719259576
it was a corporate invention escalated by sega when the genesis came out

>>719253206
>Massive drop off
It has sold 2/3rds of BOTW's 8 years of sales, in just 2 years.
It also holds the distinction of FASTEST selling Zelda game of all time

I'd put money on it overtaking BOTW within the next 3 years

I want to play as Ganondorf

>>719259674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7nsBoqJ6s8

>>719259660
5th gen is when it died down because PS1 had such a comically huge lead. It was going strong again in the 7th gen when Halo hit the scene.

>>719259556
Not before seeing retards on 4chan fighting over it

>>719259576
Not saying it was, I just never saw it anywhere else on the parts of the internet I visited

>>719249107 (OP)
I want the next Zelda to be Dragon's Dogma: Nintendo Edition. You can hire various characters you meet on your journey, gorons, fish people, bird people, hyleans etc. Gameplaywise they all fit into a series of archatypes, think animal crossing personalities. Puzzles you encounter may require party member(s) of a specific archetype/ability.

>>719259402
Why don't they play older Zeldas?

>>719250008
>No more weapons with durability
This is open to opinions but I like this personally I just wish it had more interaction, like fixing and forging weapons that break. Like TOTK's make your own weapon system but deeper.
>You do not get everything at the start of the game to solve all puzzles.
>Dungeons give you sub items like before so you can access new areas and do new puzzles.
>You are locked from areas until you get certain items so that there's some actual sense of progression.

You want artificial gating back?

>>719259727
Imagine downloading a personality from an ad campaign
I guess Americans really do...

>>719249107 (OP)
top down featuring link

>>719249162
every loz game is open world. you just need tools to unlock the map

>>719259727
incredibly effective marketing it made every discussion devolve into which console you liked more and shouting bullshit buzzwords at each other

>>719259803
Waiting for the remakes so it's socially acceptable again. Consumerbrain.

>>719259803
unc...the clunkiness...:skull:

as a Nintendo fan... fuck Nintendo

>>719259841
A more directed experience is better than dropping you in the world and telling you to do whatever you want

>>719259748
That makes sense. Also 360 had a huge fanbase of "bro" gamers

>>719249107 (OP)
Linkle footjobs

>>719260019
man 360 would have been good if it wasn't a piece of shit console.

>>719259841
>artificial gating
No that's actual gating

>>719259960
No it didn't, nobody took this shit seriously back then. People weren't nearly as stupid and easily programmed as they are today.

>What should the next Zelda game be?
>thread turns into a history lesson on consolewars
kek based

>>719260103
nuh uh

>>719249107 (OP)
we can only wish for zelda and ganon happily ever after

>>719252865
>3 times
The Wii U was an absolutely dead console that nobody owns. I'd argue that counts for less than half a point but ok lets call it a point and say it was released on 3 platforms.

>4 times
Actually that would be
>PS3
>360
>PC
>Ps4
>Xbone
>PS5
>Series X
>Series S

Isn't that 8 consoles?

September 17, 2013: Original release for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.
November 18, 2014: Enhanced version released for PlayStation 4 and Xbox One.
April 14, 2015: Enhanced version released for PC.
March 15, 2022: Expanded & Enhanced edition released for PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X|S.
March 4, 2025: Expanded & Enhanced edition released for PC.

>It was actually released for PC TWICE 10 years apart
>RELEASED 9 TIMES

>Comparing a title re-released 8 times in 12 years across multiple platforms
>To the sales of a title re-released twice in 8 years on a single line of platforms, one of which was an absolute flop that nobody owned

GTA V is an absolute behemoth sales wise, but comparing to a game that hasnt been out as long as hasn't been re-released nearly as many times is very disingenuous

>>719260058
it was the last good console

>>719260114
there is only one answer
>back to basics and dungeons

>>719259727
>hey tom, im playing micheal jackson on my genesis. good luck playing it on your nintendont LMFAO

>>719260182
it was fun, but I'd hardly call it "good". mine red ringed of death when I was on level 180 in hexic. God damn thing started on fire. it couldn't beat me

Take the good from BOTW and Ocarina formulas and combine them. That's all they have to do.

And bring back real dungeons.

>>719260182
The red ring killed it. Also once the PS3 went down it price is won the last quarter of the generation.

Zelda is the franchise where they pander to the largest audience they possibly can, so ask yourself, what is the largest demographic of today?
Roblox kids.

If you thought BotW/TotK was bad, buckle your seatbelt Dorothy, 'cause Kansas is going bye-bye.

>>719259841
>like fixing and forging weapons that break
I'd be fine with a smithing system that repairs the weapons as well, it's just that I want permanently breaking stuff gone. My main issue with it is that is disincentivized me heavily from fighting anything at all and using bombs on anything weaker than the main enemies to conserve it. I would also regularly use bombs to chop down trees or break rocks instead of using weapons.
>You want artificial gating back?
Yes. The series was built on it and half the fun of the games is unlocking new areas that let you use the new devices in focused puzzles surrounding your old items and the new one. My favorite memory of OoA is using the Shovel to get Mystery Seeds to finally unlock the forest to get I think it was the Sword, then in OoS getting Roc's Cape and crossing over gaps I couldn't before with a much more fun way to jump.

I don't like having everything available to me all at once because it makes the entire experience less focused. It's why ALBW is one of my least favorite games in the series since there's no true structure to it and you can rent everything within the first hour or so so there's no surprises or advancement. Sure, it has the dungeons, but the dungeons expect you to have multiple things from the get go.

>>719260268
They brought back dungeons in totk and all of you cried about it.

>>719260347
they were shit and you know it

>>719249107 (OP)
Vast open sea exploration based on Phantom Hourglass and Wind Waker and deep sea cave exploration. All on ToTK's engine.

>>719260182
The 360 was basically a pile of shit that we all had, because Sony dropped the ball even harder.
That was the gen where I was like "fuck it, I'm just going to buy a decent PC, and transition to that being my main thing".

Pull back the freedom a little bit and make it more like the original formula. I like the Wild games but they don't really feel zelda-y to me.

>>719260383
Yeah they didn't give me a tool used as a glorified key to unlock doors and that stunned the boss.

>>719249107 (OP)
Zelda franchise Monster Hunter clone.

>>719259954
There's actually stuff to do and reasons to go to every part of the map in those. Not 30 minutes of walking/flying with the same Kurok puzzles and same generic enemies in every place.

>>719252731
TP was when they crossed the line, then Skyward Sword goes full retard and gives you a fucking Siri AI in your sword.

>>719249107 (OP)
Maybe add fun?

>>719260470
I don't like the botw/totk game. oot and ww were a better experience imo

>>719249624
>mfw windwaker babs absolutely tanked the next two games only for Twilight Princess to save the franchise

>>719260171
see >>719252935

>>719260470
remotely not true OoT just had a smaller world and its not the focus so people dont bitch about that theres nothing to do except scrounge around for skultula tokens
Botw just made the world bigger without adding any substance which leads to more open space between actual interesting areas
zelda was always shit at open worlds

>>719260608
anyone who likes toilet paper princess over wind waker is a faggot in my book

>>719260608
Windwaker released when no one had a gamecube.

>>719260347
only the pyramid and the construct facotry were actual dungeons. The rest were worse versions of the divine beasts.

>>719260553
Making fun games for /v/ is like trying to make cold fusion work

>>719260697
people were afraid of cell shaded games

>>719253603
>sales dictate quality
Why even care about Zelda when Call of Duty is right there?

>>719260347
They literally didn't but go off I guess

>>719249162
fpbp

>>719260693
Must be a terrible book

>>719260709
yeah the only good dungeon in totk was the lighting temple

>>719260805
yeah it's full of fags

I notice you're all sandbagging my idea of setting Zelda in the early 20th century kind of era, but I think it's a really good idea.
A bit of Jojo Part 2. A bit of Steam Boy. A bit of Raidou.

>>719249107 (OP)
>>719249162
This plus "unbreakable equipment"

>>719260850
What does that say about the author?

>>719260860
the legend of Zelda should remain a fantasy medieval d&d like solo role player

One of the biggest issues with botw and totk was the lack of progression. Fix that in botw 3 and add proper dungeons and it'll be great

>>719260860
Zelda 1 was supposed to take place in the future and the past, that would be the only way I'd be open to it

just make zelda elden ring!! that'll sell a gazillion copies! :)

>>719249107 (OP)
I realized the soul behind classic style Zelda was that it was fundamentally an overhead Metroidvania. That’s what I’ve missed most with its design. I see it’s impossible for them to ever go back in 2D cause BotW is their new standard and it makes me sad.

>>719260894
it says I write down and talk about how you're all stupid. check out the appendix for more detail

>>719260952
we're a bit past that. We already did pirates, and then steam ships, and then straight robots.

>>719261015
*to ever go back in 3D I mean. But even 2D because Echoes of Wisdom was more “You Can Solve Any Puzzle Any Way!” Slop.

>>719260608
Wind Waker was box office poison. It wasn't even the artstyle on its own that tanked the future games with it, it's the association with Wind Waker that put people off. And there being fucking seven of them (six within less than a decade).

>>719261075
full circle. my favorite loz is still nes, and oot

>>719260526
It's a sword created by the goddess that includes a Clippy expy who uses percentages a lot, if all she did was talk about the goddess and tell Link to slay evil, she'd be somehow worse.

>>719261126
people were afraid of that game because of the art style. it played exactly like oot and mm. it's better than mm imo

>>719261034
Meeh you tried, A for effort.

>>719249107 (OP)
BoTW but with islands and sailing. That sidequest in BoTW with the island is unironically the best part of the entire game.

>>719260860
I don't think this idea is good, but i'd play it if it got me Cremia running an illegal milk bar speakeasy.

>>719261015
>overhead Metroidvania
c'mon, no. Don't start coining that as a term.

It's called an adventure game. You solve puzzles, and find items that help you access new areas. it's a whole thing.

>>719261220
in the appendix it says you're a retarded faggot nigger

>>719249107 (OP)
How are people still excited for Zelda? Or any series with 10+ games for that matter? Are we just going to do this forever?

>>719249107 (OP)
Instead of vast open-world, the next Zelda game takes place in a single small dungeon. The dungeon changes form once you beat a boss and depending on the order of the boss defeated, it can have several different forms until the final definitive dungdon.

>>719261197
>it played exactly like oot and mm
But its flow and progression were absolutely nothing like OoT or MM.

>>719261220
>>719261283
seriously I find tp the worst 3d Zelda game. I based it on replay-ability. it's the only one I haven't played twice

>>719261291
>How are people still excited for video games you've played more than 10 video games by now right? aren't you bored of them?

>>719261114
>complaining about a game with multiple solutions that lets you skip around
>while saying you miss metroidvania design
>where the best Metroid game that popularized that type of design is literally popular because of mechanics and tech allowing the player to sequence break and do things in different ways
Everyone that calls things "slop" is a retard. Everyone that complains about the recent Zelda games is a retard.

>>719261283
Yelling profanities does not make you funny

>>719260648
>>719252935
>Citation required

Where exactly do you get that info? Because I dont doubt that 360 + ps3 versions of V outsold BOTW in total, I dont think its as much as you think it is.

Released a total of 9 times, divide GTA V's lifetime sales over each release and it has sold less than 24 million for each release. Lifetime sales.

Botw lifetime sales on Switch outsell that alone. Not even counting WIi U or Switch 2 sales of the game.

Which considering one is a multiplatform, multiplayer game, vs a single player console exclusive, is actually an insane feat for zelda

Following logic, if Botw had released on the same number of platforms, the same number of times, it would have sold more than GTA V somehow

>>719261330
yeah the combat was more streamline

>>719261405
k thanx

>>719260342
>I'd be fine with a smithing system that repairs the weapons as well, it's just that I want permanently breaking stuff gone. My main issue with it is that is disincentivized me heavily from fighting anything at all and using bombs on anything weaker than the main enemies to conserve it. I would also regularly use bombs to chop down trees or break rocks instead of using weapons.
It's very much a zoomercore kind of gameplay where you just run around grabbing whatever random shit is near you and using it, just like KH3 where you constantly have your weapon changing to random shit.
From a strategy/planning perspective i'm inclined to balance my equipment with different weapons that have different situational advantages then hold them until I find a situation where they are useful, if I can beat an enemy with something renewable like bombs then it makes sense to do so rather then expend a limited resource, but this is the opposite of what the game wants you to actually do.
The game is never actually hard enough for me to need the advantages of any of the shit i'm saving so it ends up punishing you for any kind of thinking and planning as opposed to just mindlessly swinging.

Hyrule Rust.

>>719261429
https://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/10/29/grand-theft-auto-v-has-sold-29-million-copies.aspx
Again, this is before the PS4/Xbone even came out.

I don't understand how fans of oot and mm hate ww

still "open air"
10x less crap spread everywhere
10x more bespoke content
dungeons that reward you with fun movement/exploration tools
completely removed from the BoTW setting
a story that actually takes place during the game and not 6 million years in the past
at least 1 big gimmick that allows the game to stand out on its own

bonus: the combat is just a rip-off of Dragon's Dogma

>>719261429
GTAV generated a billion dollars in the first week

>>719261654
>railroaded as fuck despite its world size
>the very act of overworld travel is tedious
>the need to change wind direction frequently, especially in the original, magnifies the Water Temple Iron Boots problem tenfold
>tons of content cut out, and it having tangible effects on the game (whereas MM was designed with a rushed schedule in mind)

>>719260065
No, Gating would be placing an obstacle or foe that is VERY difficult to defeat or traverse, so that you go off and either become more skilled, or get better equipment to make the encounter easier.
Thats gating

Artificial gating is
>Here is a wall too high for you to jump, you cannot possibly jump this high until you get a jump upgrade later, go that way instead

Good gating would reward player skill and enable them to surpass it early.
Otherwise its not an expression of skill, its an expression of being able to follow direction.
You arent playing the game how you want, you're playing it how you're told

>>719261786
the combat is way better though... at least it isn't fucking spirit tracks. the worst loz game ever made

>>719261654
I love all three of those.
The problem with WW is it got rushed, and it shows in places, but it had the makings of the best Zelda.

>>719261710
They didn't play it when they were 8.

>>719261950
it's #3 for me

>>719261950
>>719262002
my #4 is a link to the past

>>719260014
Why?

botw and totk aren't real Zelda games.

>>719262294
They have Zelda in the title and they sell a lot :)

>>719261651
29 million copies still averages out to 14.5 million per platform in its first year

In comparison Botw sold 9.3 million in its first year on switch alone.

Again, comparing a multi-platform, multiplayer game to a single player console exclusive, there's power weights attached to Zelda in this comparison and its still an extremely fair fight

On that note: TOTK sold 21 million.

Which is crazy to think TOTK on Switch 2 actually outsold GTA V on PS3 or 360

>>719262047
Because it can be better balanced to the players power level so you don't end up facerolling some areas because you are too strong

>>719262631
>to a single player console exclusive
Which BotW wasn't.

>>719261398
Guess I'm not autistic enough to be fixated on one character for my entire life.

>TotK sales 22 million
>This guy refuses to make DLC which would've netted a few more millions of dollars
Nintendo really ought to fire this guy for leaving money on the table

>>719262631
>Which is crazy to think TOTK on Switch 2 actually outsold GTA V on PS3 or 360
no it didnt

>>719263058
Anon... Age of Imprisonment IS the "DLC". They're billing it as the canon backstory of TotK, unlike AoC.

>>719249162
Bet you love Skyward Sword and TP, yuck.

>>719262845
Since when is BotW online, and on PC?

>>719262986
There hasn't been a single Zelda character who appeared in 10 different games.

>>719260862
Brainlet take

>>719261291
Name one thing you're currently excited for.

>>719263159
what about the other 20+ games?

>>719263145
I love how you skipped over EXACTLY the part you were wrong about.

>>719263252
??? that reply doesn't even make sense in the context of what was said.

>>719263265
I actually don't know what your point is?
It's not a "console exclusive" because the Wii U exists? That's some petty shit.
No one bought the Wii U, for one thing.

>>719263242
Why? So you can say
>LOL you have shit taste

>>719263394
No, so I can point out it's probably been done before at least ten times.
I'll piss my pants if you say GTA6.

>>719263368
The Switch literally sold nothing yet when BotW came out.

>>719263242
Endless Legend 2.

>>719263468
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>719263491
>4X strategy game
Yeah, there's at least ten of those.

GIVE ME HEARTPIECES BACK AS QUESTS REWARDS, EXPLORING AND DUNGEONS PLEASE. I DONT WANT TO GET 50 RUPEES OR 5 BANAS AS A QUEST REWARD AGAIN
Heartpieces literally make every Zelda way more fun if you replay them

>>719263623
as long as stamina is still a thing you'll get spirit orbs and you'll like it.

>>719263547
You can't say the "muh WiiU didn't count" when the Switch wasn't even a fucking guaranteed success yet for BotW's launch.

Look, you keep trying to fish for technicalities and attempting to downplay GTAV's degree of success because you didn't like people using it as a comparison to illustrate the fallacy of "[x] having the highest sales figures must mean [x] is the best", and you keep digging yourself deeper because you don't know what you're talking about. Stop while you're ahead.

>>719263547
>Yeah, there's at least ten of those.
Oh so you missed the point. I'm not saying "zelda sucks" or "it's just like 100 other games". I'm asking how people don't get fatigued after decades of the same world.

>>719263457
I'm not excited for any games. I hate games

>>719263623
Nah I never liked collecting health upgrades, Zelda would be better if it went the RPG route and tied progression to levels and stats.

>>719263913
only shrine giving good upgrades was a mistake, it worked in the first playthrough, but if you play botw or totk for the 2nd time you know that exploring is mostly pointless cause there are no rewards

>>719262426
good for them

>dungeons were always bad anyway
>progression and items were always bad anyway
>health upgrades were always bad anyway
holy fuck you niggers just never liked Zelda before BotW turned it into something very different

If they're doing Open world, make it a small, but very condense and content filled world.I'm talking Termina or smaller, but with a ton of shit in it.

I'd rather they just go back to the OOT/WW/TP formula though. Maybe a bit more open bit still a clear path.

>>719249107 (OP)
Coop game, zelda and link adventure
might be cool
2D or Third Person

>>719262845
>Botw is not a single player console exclusive

????
Or are we being that disingenuous and considering the Wii U a serious platform?
Because 9.3 million quoted >>719262631 here is minus the 1.something million from Wii U sales.

The point of a console exclusive being a detractor from sales is the limited playerbase.

Releasing on both microsoft and sony consoles presents an advantage to sales because of the limited playerbase overlap. Its effectively two seperate markets where most consumers are concerned.

Switch 1, and Wii U, are NOT two seperate markets for 99% of the consumer base

>>719263079#
>n-nuh uh
You can feel free to google it yourself
>>719264146
With the hidden xp/level system in Botw/TOTK, it legitimately went more RPG than the series ever has before. Fighting more monsters and bosses actually causes the world to spawn tougher enemies which carry better loot.

>>719264461
>acknowledging the WiiU existing and having BotW released on it same-day is "disingenuous"
holy fuck you stubborn nigger just take the goddamn L and admit you vastly underestimated GTAV's success

>>719249162
>>719249107 (OP)
And absolutely NO weapon health

>>719264461
You are replying to a shitposter who will say anything to "win" the argument even if it makes no sense

>>719264698
"weapon health" would actually be a funny concept, like your weapon breaks like BotW except enemies and grass can drop sword hearts that repair your weapon.

Ocarina of Time reimagining

open world with no loading screens
900 gold skulltulas
instead of sheika and zonai there's crafts
play through the first three dungeons in any order
play through the last six dungeons in any order
bombastic set piece cinematic boss fights
can climb anything but gone is the glider beware of heights
magic bean plants are controllable but they degrade quickly
no magic meter just the stamina bar for everything
all the medallions are spells and elemental arrow types
every grotto in the game has a shrine puzzle of sorts
young link can ride epona
can switch between adult and young link anywhere using song of time
songs can be macroed if you would rather press one button to have it play
ice cavern and bottom of the well are expanded into larger dungeons
bottom of the well is how you initially access shadow temple
gold skulltula tokens reward you with either health, stamina, inventory space, movement speed, crafting recipes

>>719249624
>all those newfags for BOTW jumping ship to Nintendo after Xbox and Sony
Ass Creed niggers ruined everything forever, Zelda is dead.

>>719264001
Bruv, a game on two consoles, where one of the consoles was a complete flop, is not the same as a game released on two generations of PS and Xbox, and PC.
>>719264090
Because it's not always the same world. Zelda is basically a variety series that reinvents itself.

>>719249107 (OP)
another rehash

>>719249107 (OP)
Full campaign co-op and even more cross-dressing for link

>>719263623
A bargainer stone in TOTK gives you a heart container after you give him all his eyes.

Is this the daily OOTsnoy seething containment thread? Not that I'm particularly complaining.

>>719263623
if they homogenize spirit orbs & korok seeds then you effectively achieve the same goal

>>719264980
This, but for millennials buying OoT.

this is the only place i ever seen botw hate. vee has gotten so fucking weird these last few years.

>>719250062
What level of irony do you have to be operating under to equate "oot" and "snoy"?

>>719265275
newfag

>>719265275
OoTfags have been snoys since BoTW's launch mindbroke them

>>719265002
>is not the same as a game released on two generations of PS and Xbox, and PC.
>>719261651
Again: those 29 million sales from the first month and a half of GTAV came BEFORE THE PC AND PS4/XBONE VERSIONS EVEN CAME OUT. Seriously, anon - you really gotta shut the fuck up now. You're going to choke on your foot with how deep you're jamming it into your mouth.

>>719265664
It was already on both PS3 and 360.
The fact that a Nintendo exclusive even comes close to rivaling GTA is kind of impressive, isn't it?

>>719251289
How can someone accuse BotWfags of this when OoTfags spend every thread talking about which girl they want to dick. The game was only popular because it was babies first harem.

>>719265790
AND NOTHING ELSE YET WHEN 29 MILLION WAS REPORTED AFTER JUST A MONTH AND A HALF HOLY SHIT HOW ARE YOU NOT FUCKING GETTING THIS YOU WINDOWLICKING SUBRETARD

>>719249107 (OP)
Make zelda magical again

the fantasy and the magic has been slowly removed from zelda you no longer get ancient legendary bows and incredible shields or magic weapons passed down from generations you don't get magic items or equipment that helps you get through puzzles instead you get the slate


i miss the hookshot
i miss the bow and silver arrows
i miss the hammer
i miss mirror shield
i miss being able to go to the dwarfs and levelling up your sword
i miss dins fire
i miss instruments

also remove the retarded weapon breaking mechanic why the fuck they ever doubled down on it when they saw everybody hate it from BOTW i have no idea

>>719265986
I don't even know what you're mad about, but calling BotW not a "console exclusive" is retarded either way.
Take a chill pill, and lay off those graphs.

>>719249162
Gay.

>>719249624
Classic 3D Zelda is never coming back, huh

>>719261823
A good gate doesn't let people in. That's the point. It isn't artificial gating, it's gating. "artificial gating" frankly doesn't mean anything.

>>719266026
Every post that seethes about new Zelda always seems to come from OoTfags who never played anything else and hate every single other Zelda game in existence. Why is that? Why do OoTfags hate every other Zelda game yet pretend to call themselves fans of the series?

>>719266064
>I don't even know what you're mad about
Because you keep bringing up the Gen 8/PC releases of GTAV as if those somehow invalidate its opening Gen 7 sales figures

>>719266163
>OoT out of nowhere

>>719266126
"Classic 3D Zelda" is a misnomer. It's like saying "Classic cRPG Mass Effect." or "Boomer Shooter CoD."

>>719266221
Which were spread across two consoles. Two very successful consoles, each with their own more or less independent audiences.
It's not the same thing as a game being cross platform between Switch and Wii U.

Guys, a linear level design is never coming back unless it's meme shit like Echoes. Give it up.

>>719266309
Oh, buddy. No. You really don't want to shift to comparing crossgen release sales.

>>719264639
You're just deluding yourself, you take the L
I actually surprised myself the more I read into it how comparative the switch zelda's success was to GTA V
I just assumed GTA dwarfed it, but I'm fairly confident if both titles were released on a single platform they'd sell fairly comparitively.

I'd only be ok with open world if Hyrule is a fully fledged Kingdom.No ruins, just a full, living world and Dungeons. No shrines.

>>719266259
You being straight is a misnomer

>>719266138
A good gate can still be climbed over or opened anon. Even if it takes great difficulty. You can convince a guard to open a gate for you, it can be scaled or knocked down. Even if its hard to do so, its possible. Thats a gate.

What you want is a wall, infinity feet high and wide and impenetrable to all forms of force

>>719266386
At that point we factor in PC, so no shit the sales are going to be enormous.
How much would Zelda sell if it was on PS, Xbox, and PC? C'mon.
The fact that Nintendo even manages to exist in their own little ecosystem at all is incredibly admirable, and goes to show that there's a high demand for their games.

OoT is cringe normie slop.

>>719266259
Oot released nearly 30 years ago anon. People have literally been born after its release, gone through their entire childhood and the education system, gotten a job, gotten married and had kids and then died in a sudden car crash in their 20s in the time since its release.

>>719266526
Careful, that was an apt analogy so you're going to make some people very angry.

>>719266551
>At that point we factor in PC
No we don't, because PC didn't come for another half a year.

>>719249107 (OP)
Haven't read any other suggestions but don't care.

If they're gonna do big open world again, at least go Elden Ring style where there's some clear sense of progression and path you're supposed to take. No more you can go anywhere at any time BS.
Actual items that interact with the world and puzzles. Lock things off so you can come back to them later. Make it so we can find cool overworld stuff that isn't just boring korok seeds.
Bring back real dungeons.
My ideal Zelda would be a smaller scale more linear adventure, but with a hugely expanded and interactive Bomber Journal where you interact with a bunch of NPCs, doing quests for them learning their schedules and whatnot.

Yes I am a MM/WW fan, how could you tell?

>>719266526
A wall doesn't open. A gate opens when you're allowed. It's that simple.

>>719266652
Okay, well you factor in the 8th gen version of the game, which was already an upgrade that people went out of their way to purchase all over again (and then maybe bought it a third time on PC).

I feel like the odd man out here. I didn't like LoZ or AoL as a kid. I did enjoy Link's Awakening however. I really enjoyed Majora's Mask. I loved Four Swords and Wind Waker. Really enjoyed Minish Cap. HATED playing as a wolf in Twilight Princess (but otherwise dope game). Enjoyed Spirit Tracks. Didn't really mind Skyward Sword. Absolutely loved BOTW and enjoyed TOTK (just recently played it on Switch 2). I could never enjoy OoT. I don't really get it. Majora's Mask is just an objectively superior game. Maybe my mistake was playing MM first as a kid (rental place never had OoT in stock).

>>719266594
>wildfag calling literally anything else "cringe normie slop"

>>719266551
>>719266309
>>719266386
If BOTW or TOTK released on every platform, it'd clear 50 million sales fairly easily. 75, possibly. 100? Unlikely, but not impossible

Purely just by going on the sheer volume of units it manage to sell on a SINGLE console with a fraction of the total gamer playerbase

>>719266740
>reddit luthor capeshit slop

>>719266729
>A gate opens when you're allowed
>WHEN YOU'RE ALLOWED

Anon you sound like a bitch rn fr

>>719266850
>hop over gate
>get shot
woooow can't believe this artificial gating bullshit

>wildfag
>ootsnoy
>slopslopslopslopslop
I'm so sick of this. I'm so sick of everything, of this fanbase, of Nintendo, of everyone. Just give me a good fucking Zelda game that's all I'm asking for. I don't care what kind of game it is or what it's got or which group it pisses off, as long as it's good I don't give a single god damn shit. PLEASE.

>>719265654
Ocarina of Time for the Sony Dreamcast is my favorite bluray

>>719266594
What a nothing statement about ZELDA of all series

>>719266994
>zelda tranime slop

>>719266850
Yeah man I live in a real world where there are all sorts of locked doors I actually can't get into without authorization or the correct keycard
>oh but what if you exploded the door haha
haha what if you had to get bombs from somewhere to do that

nobody hates the Zelda series as much as wildfags

>>719254435
limited sandbox is not good and it will never be, you autist.

nobody hates the Zelda series as much as OoTsnoys

Who would win in a fist fight to the death, a Wildfag or a OoTsnoy?

>>719267205
>>719267250
So now OoT fans are Snoys. This board is becoming self-parodical.

>>719267334
everything that goes against the switch order is automatically a snoy, be something from nintendo itself that isn't on the switch.

>>719266729
>A gate opens when you're allowed
Deus Ex says hello.

>455 million units
I take back what I said. GTA V alone has outsold the entire Zelda franchise, not just the 3D games lmfao.
Since it's on 7 platforms that's about 65 million per platform. Impressive really. Nintendo just can't compete with their superiors. Like, if they're at second place it's a very distant second place.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/gta-series-has-sold-nearly-455-million-units-gta-v-counts-for-nearly-half/1100-6533797/

>>719267629
I don't think you understand what you're saying at all.

>>719267649
oh he's not going to like this lmao

>>719267694
I don't think you've played Deus Ex.

>>719267760
I have. I never played the sequels though. I tried Human Revolution and dropped it a couple hours in. Never gave Mankind Divided a chance.

I want Link to be able to fuck all the NPCs

>>719267904
>I have.
If you did, then you would have understood what I was saying about your definition of what a gate is.

I want ToTK to be good

>>719267731
Well in his defense its GTA.
I mean if another franchise that only had two games and was less than a decade old at the time of the second game's release beat Zelda's sales out the fucking water then it would be way more embarrassing.
>RDR 2 has sold 70 million copies
Oh shit. I take that back. Damn, and Zelda had 30 years to make a name for itself too? Grim.

>>719267970
I get you think there being multiple ways to bypass a gate somehow doesn't mean the gate isn't still doing exactly what it's supposed to do or that it's actually gating you any less.

Just because you have 3 solutions instead of 1 to a gate doesn't make it not a gate.

I always thought the next step is to do true Bushido Blade style combat. I thought that Zelda would be the first game in the world where you hack at something and stop midway through it and can let go of your sword and do something else. That was the definitive Zelda experience for me. The optional combat component.

This is the one thing I don't like about BotW/Echoes. The set pieces. I don't like these Miyamotoisms where you are expected to run a puzzle a certain way or ways. Let me do it HOW I WANT!

>>719268013
RDR is just GTA: old west edition. It effectively is part of the GTA series, and everyone knows that.

>>719267649
>on 7 platforms
>has a thriving online community
>new people keep buying in, because 6 has take so long to come out
>Steam sales are a thing
I mean, yeah. I'm not surprised it sells disgustingly well.
What else are people gonna buy? Saints Row?

What point are we arguing again?

>>719267649
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>>719268013
Oh go fuck yourself, Eric.

>>719267649
Losing to GTA in sales is not a bad thing. Everyone does. Every musician. Movie. Tv Show. Other game. Everything does

>>719249107 (OP)
How about the next game has a darker tone and a darker color scheme to go along with it?