Thread 719249836

in retrospect, who won?

>>719249836 (OP)
TES6 will sell billions, no one remembers Gothic anymore

>>719249836 (OP)
They both won.
The "Made popular by SSethTzeentach" award, that is.

>>719249836 (OP)
Morrowind is the best sandbox with the best mods. Gothic 2 is the best RPG ever made out of the box and Archolos is the Gothic 3 we deserve.

Both won.

>Gothic
no one even remembers this garbage except eastern euros or Germans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UAKIZoepXk
t. German

Morrowind of course

>>719249836 (OP)
Morrowind lets me puck from 9 races to play as and doesn't force me to grind fetchquests while my combat capabilities are those of a headless chicken and I can skip to the fun part if I want to.

Gothic has a more standard fantasy setting that's well crafted and beautiful and has interesting lore as well but it feels more like an action adventure hack n slash game where the first third of it you literally suck and can't do shit about it.

>>719249836 (OP)
>in retrospect, who won?
Which studio is worth billions and which one went to the ground?

>>719249836 (OP)
As a zoomer who played Deus Ex and Morrowind for the first time and loved them, will I like Gothic? I love the opening cutscene of the game. The premise seems kino

>>719251628
I grew up with Morrowind but never heard of Gothic until 2020ish and fell in love with it. Since you didn't get filtered by Morrowind your brain is probably big enough to adapt.

>>719249836 (OP)
Germans can't into RPGs

morrowind has absolute dogshit gameplay
your reward for playing it is reading walls of text you'll forget in a few hours and actually investing time into lore will negatively impact your life

Since the only win that matters is my personal approval, Gothic won.

>>719252328
Gothic has no lore on the other hand and whatever is there is the most generic lazy trash, "humans good" "orcs bad", kill the evil dragon that wants to destroy the world

>>719252328
>morrowind has absolute dogshit gameplay
How? Morrowinds quest design and worldbuilding are incredible.

>>719249836 (OP)
morrowind is more interesting but gothic is more fun to actually play
morrowind's world feel extremely fake and static after playing gothic

>>719249836 (OP)
Piranha Bytes went bankrupt so Bethesda won

>>719252565
i said gameplay
all melee is the same, marksman is repetitive as shit and magic is so overpowered the game basically plays itself
the quests themselves are mechanically MMOy as shit

>>719250229
>TES6 will sell billions
2 more weeks

>>719249836 (OP)
>Gothic's legacy is Archolos
>Morrowind's legacy is Tamriel Rebuilt
Morrowind won

>>719252820
>Never adapt, never innovate, never expand, just make the same style of game over and over.
What were they thinking?

>>719249836 (OP)
No matter what game you choose Gothic 2 would always win

>>719252931

Wow a big land that's 80% empty!

>>719249836 (OP)
Why do people pretend like there's some sort of war between morrowind and gothic? As far I can tell these games and its communities are completely separate with close to 0 overlap.

>>719252931
archolos is goat, had more fun playing it than playing TR

>>719252449
And they still managed to retcon it with every direct sequel lul

Should I play Gothic vanilla or modded?

>>719249836 (OP)
I won, because I got both

>>719253135
The only mod you need is the systempack so game runs on modern os, DX11 if you're stuck with an AMD card, order should be
G1 > G2 NOTR > Archolos
You can play G3 if you're desperate for more

>>719252179
You are wrong

>>719253020
Butthurt Gothicfag

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel_Rebuilt:Quests

>>719253020
>80% empty
You haven't played it

>>719250257
"""popular"""
no one played morrowind or gothic because of sseth, they just pretend to.

THE GOAT
https://youtu.be/mD0HzhZvMZ8

People actually like Morrowind. /v/edditors pretend to like Gothic because it's contrarian.

>>719250257
sseethe didnt even make a video on morrowind

>>719252931
Archolos sweeps that one.

>>719253272
>>719253318
Gamers will look at single texture brown mud huts and be like "hell yeah"

>>719253382
people like morrowind out of a persecution complex because they're desperate to pretend it's not a normalfag franchise

>>719253272
>>719253318
hell yeah

>>719252931
??? Archolos wins that one, it's not even close.

>>719253436
Yes.

>>719253425
Not with that obnoxious main quest forced onto you, it doesn't. Fuck Jorn.

>>719253993
Was Jorn death a surprise to anyone? The second chapter 2 starts I was like yep he's dead

>>719253318
cool, copypasted buildings with copypasted NPCs in it that do nothing but stand there and give you generic copypasted responses

I had fun playing both but Gothic2 was pretty bad compared to 1 and not very fun to play more than once. I liked the enemies and the way you gained skills in gothic much better than in Morrowind.

morrowind completely fails as a videogame
everything people like it for could be put into a vn

>>719250257
I was playing Morrowind and Gothic long before Sseth made his channel. But you are right that they both have won. Both still have massive community mods made for them to this day by passionate people that loved those games. No modernslop will ever have this kind of a following because modern games have no soul.

>>719254761
you are a complete retard because that isn't true at all

>>719255129
so people are lying when they say the game is so easy to break that the only thing that keeps you going is the prospect of reading walls of text to sate your autism?

>>719255301
the power fantasy is a big part of what makes it fun

>>719253408
yeah he did, it's one of his earliest

>>719255348
the point of videogames is to at least try to have engaging gameplay

>>719255301
>"so people are lying when they say"
>needs validation from people online to tell him what games to like and what games to dislike
Sounds like you either didn't play it or got filtered.

>>719252931
Does TR have good combat or is it the same as Morrowind?

>>719249836 (OP)
I did.
As a gamer.

>>719254338
>>719253318

>>719255709
I see empty copy pasted buildings

>>719255582
morrowind is hands down the one game i've tried playing the most
every time i got to endgame power wise and then quit because i'd rather just listen to an audiobook or a playthrough of it than get rewarded with lore in a franchise that is forever doomed to be slop

>>719253020
HEHEHE

>>719250537
>Archolos is the Gothic 3 we deserve.
and it mogh any bethesda game or pyranha bytes game since after G2

>>719249836 (OP)
gothic was the template for the greatest RPG ever made, witcher 3, morrowind had 0 impact

>>719255923
this, except make the morrowind world 5-10 times bigger

>>719255789
is there some specific reason you're assuming Narsis' buildings are empty despite the fact TR has never added any such thing?
https://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/content/grasping-fortune-teaser

What time is it in Germany?
Morrowind brought TES to a larger audience and it still has a very strong cult following and modding community
Gothic II is pretty much only remembered by Krauts and western Poles who probably ought to be Krauts-- everyone else ok the planet prefers TES

>>719256165
wow what can you do in that building, walk in, look at the walls, and walk out?

>>719256318
what do you want TR to add

>>719255789
>I see
Of course you do, because you haven't played it. Keep up.

>>719256354
an npc who gives a meaningful quest or gives a hint about where to find something else in a city or solve another quest, a secret to find in the building with useful loot insid that benefits your character, or at the very least some service that benefits the player and you will want to visit it regularly because no other place can offer this service

So what Archolos does in 90% of its map

Morrowind is extremely gimped for Xbox while Gothic 1 and 2 are proper PC games

>>719256206
So based on this post gothic is for whites with high IQ while TES is for brown masses. Which I completely agree with.

>>719256206
>it still has a very strong cult following and modding community
wow just like Gothic you fucking giga nigger

>>719256558
cool, all of the things you listed can be found just in narsis, which is one of many cities added
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Tamriel_Rebuilt:Narsis
i seriously don't understand the point of bitching about 'empty buildings' when it's demonstrably wrong

>>719253253
So just play 1, then 2, then 2's expansion, then Archolos? Anything else worth keeping in mind going in?

>>719253336
morrowind modding is more popular than ever but keep living in fantasyland by all means

>>719254338
>i havent played it
why type all that when you could simply just create a macro that says this?

>>719256558
All that shit was already in vanilla Morrowind nevermind TR. Seriously, have you *played* the games you are talking about, fren?

>>719251628
yes gothic is pretty kino

>>719253382
people like skyrim
trannies pretend to like morrowind despite not being able to play it for more than 3 hours

I prefer RPGs where you control a whole party of characters. Gothic doesn't even have real character creation either.

>>719257083
that's soulless

>>719257083
Parties are completely indistinguishable from trashy monobuilds (Fallout New Vegas)

>>719256738
There's no need to play G2 classic if that's what you mean, G2 NOTR completely superseeds it.
If there's a tip that I can give is to use spell scrolls often, you will never be in a situation where you must have a spell scroll to win the game and most people just hoard them for later only to never use a single one. They're especially powerful early on in NOTR.
But if you're beyond paranoid about some unbeatable boss, just save summon demon and ice wave scrolls because those are insanely powerful anything else just use it at first given opportunity.

>>719255923
People misunderstand this image and think it favors either. Walking around and taking in the world IS the big appeal of TES games.

>>719257034
Post your playtime

>>719249836 (OP)
I like them both for different reason.
Gothic 1 is better than 2 though.

>>719257224
Wtf are you talking about? FNV is a first-person shooter with stats.

can the contrarian trannies ITT stop the larp now where they pretend morrowind is somehow unpopular?

>>719257247
It's a rerelease of the vanilla game with stuff added and not a standalone expansion?

>>719257605
Something like that yeah.

>>719255923
It's more like this

>>719249836 (OP)
Morrowind is fucking terrible in almost every single fucking metric other than lore (and not the ingame lore, the lore written in ingame books that has nothing to do with anything that happens in the game)

Gothic 2 is genuinely a fantastic open world RPG that holds up to this day.

Only a retarded nostalgiafag would call Morrowind anything other than pure trash.
Even in it's own series, it's the worst game. Yes, I'm including Daggerfall in that list. (But not Battlespire or Redguard).

>>719257297
I am not a steamgoy retarded mutt

>>719257969
Why?

>>719257801
you belong on a cross

>>719252179
Uhh bros why did he pick redguard? Real chads play altmer

>>719252931
size =/= quality
TR doesn't fix any of Morrowind's glaring issues

>>719257969
Reddit spacing
Reddit opinion

>>719251392
>doesn't force me to grind fetchquests

Another Morrowind 'player' that has clearly never played their own game.
I wish I could say I am surprised.

>>719252449
>Gothic has no lore on the other hand and whatever is there is the most generic lazy trash
lord / world-building in G1 was fun
there are still plot holes here and there (like the 13th mage) but at least they tried
G2 is the one that is generic good paladins vs evil dragons. Even then paladins are kinda shitheads in G2, they would rather deal with drug dealers than slay dragons

Gothic has fetch quests too but they knew they were shit so they had to spice them up.
Bring me an orc weapon, a text book definition of a fetch quest.
But hey it's pretty hard to beat up an orc at like level 2 when you get this quest, good thing this quest has at least 5 different ways to solve without actually going and killing an orc yourself.

>>719251392
>interesting lore
>weed for the weed god
On that note: Why are G*rmans so obsessed with niggerweed? It never fails to be a part of their subversive degenerate garbage games.

>>719257982
I'll accept the concession

>>719258098
What the fuck do you mean, why?
The combat is an abortion.
The dialog is literally unvoiced, copypasted wikipedia articles.
The NPCs do absolutely fucking nothing.
The environment is devoid of any real detail, even for the time.
The 'dungeons' are 90% all the same assets, most of which with no real unique shit to them.
The music is repetitive as fuck.
The quests are almost all fetch quests or just dry 'go here and kill this generic dude'.

There is absolutely NOTHING in this game that's worth anyone's time. It is pure slop, you just pretend to like it because it's old slop. I can legitimately call it one of the worst RPGs I've ever played.

>>719257701
Does Gothic 2 Gold in Steam have everything?

>>719258840
I'm not familiar with the steam version so I don't know.

>>719257605
basically just new quest-line that eventually leads you to a completely new and really fun location
but they also added new NPCs and quests to the main / vanilla world and also made enemies stronger and character progression more annoying
plus they kinda ruined the magic for mages

>>719252931
eh. more like that gigantic russian mod? new balance or something

Who cares? Play both motherfuckers

Gothic is unknown outside of fringe online circles, Morrowind has a real legacy felt in the bones of every wRPG since.

>>719257247
>ice wave
I remember using ice wave to save paladins than mine ore from the orcs in G2
They were still mad at me that I beat them

>>719256558
>So what Archolos does in 90% of its map
To play devil's advocate, not all or even most NPCs should be tied to a quest or hint. You need "normal" but unique NPCs to make the world actually feel alive.

>>719257969
>Morrowind is fucking terrible in almost every single fucking metric other than lore (and not the ingame lore, the lore written in ingame books that has nothing to do with anything that happens in the game)
What? Aside from the creation myths, half of the lore books are tied in with the main plot of the game. The other half are from Daggerfall.

>>719260624
Also Morrowinds plot is fucking incredible, especially the way it ties in with all the guild and side quests. Unless Oblivion and Skyrim where the side/guild quests feel like they take place in a vacuum

>>719260308
Oh come on, Archolos (and all gothics) feel much more alive than morrowind, all of them also have generic npcs just to make the world feel alive

>>719252328
Brown 70 iq moment

>>719260915
If you want to be punished with a quest for just talking to people then you should just try entering a service building in Daggerfall.

>>719252931
/thread

>love both franchises
>spend years watching gothicfags habitually lie, make misleading webms, and just throw tantrums
Gothic never had that effect on me. Is it envy? Is it feeling like you have some esoteric secret that makes you fight a fight that will never change anyone's mind? Fucking bizarre.

>>719261915
why are all you morrotroons literally the same?

>>719262046
>morrotroons

>>719249836 (OP)
Arf!
Winning implies competing with rules that determine some objective betterhood of one game over other which automatically throws individual merits of either as creative productions out the window, and that means comparing stuff like units sold which means Morrowind obviously wins by ridiculous margin.
Woof!

>>719262046
90% of them don't actually play their game, is why

Morrowind?
Gothic?

ladies and gentlemen...
I present you, ACTUAL KINO

>>719263884
The based retard pick of sandbox rpgs.

Does Morrowind have good music?
https://youtu.be/y_ifjEYEMuY?si=MgULvWmsx-IFw0q_

>>719264626
Yes
https://youtu.be/1ub-vEB3DvU

>>719264626
The fact that in Morrowind the main theme, wonderful as it is, is every third track that plays kinda takes me away from the world.

>>719249836 (OP)
We didn't know Gothic was fighting

>>719261915
It's always an inferiority complex

>>719249836 (OP)
Both suck balls, even on the time of their release.

>>719249836 (OP)
Gothic should have won
But most people are retarded
that's why Morrowind won