Thread 719653125

I don't get it.

Am I supposed to disagree with him?

No? That's why he's a path in the game.

Only when he goes to keep tabs on Jack's base.

I agree with both Zelenin and Jimenez. Humans are retarded and not fit to rule the Earth, they had their chance and blew it. Mem Aleph did nothing wrong.

>>719653125 (OP)
All Chaosissies start crying about muh world of STR when the neutralCHADS(or even the lawcucks!) beat them fair and square, proving they are stronger.

>>719653125 (OP)
yes because he's a fucking retard. hell any law/chaos rep in all games are retarded

>>719654475
t.

Are you suppose to agree with the guy that fell in love with a diaper-wearing demon? I don't know man, that's a hard question(OP is a retard)

Which alignment has the hottest demons?

>>719653125 (OP)
>Caring what about what others think you're supposed to do
Sounds like a LAWfag talk to me.

>>719654705
Chaos, the high testosterone alignment

>>719654526
Yes. Law and Chaos are equally shit.

>>719654284
This. Neutralchads beat both sides so they are the strongest. According to Chaoscuck logic, this alone proves them the best.

>>719654284
She cried for caveman times and equality and yet you ignore her. You still think chaos is about STR ever time.

>>719654224
Redux neutral end is the only time an ending felt like a shit outcome. It basically resigns itself to humans eternally being shit and MC becomes an immortal janitor who wipes their asses every time a new Schwarzwelt pops up because humanity keeps being shit. I should've sided with Jimenez.

>>719655494
>god, humans are so shit
>I’ll just plunge the world into a nietzschean might makes right dystopia where slavery and oppression is completely normal

u aight whiteboi

>>719653125 (OP)
N

>>719655494
Neutral is the alignment of sanctimonious dishonesty. In a way it's even more dogmatic than Law itself. Redux's Neutral ending is brilliant because it shows people who support such an alignment are willing to kick the can down the road forever.

>Might makes right!
>gets BTFO
>N-no, not like that!

>>719656497
>"I want a world where men and demons are free"
>"Heh, that means I can use God's help to enslave you. I am very intelligent."

>>719653125 (OP)
The shiny hair looks like shit. If anything the hair should be lighter at the point on his head where the follicle is pointing straight at you

>>719656720
Everyone knows SJR's redrawn art looks like shit.

>>719655494
Neutral in Redux honestly felt like a step down from the normal one. I liked the ambiguousness of the original ending. It was classical Lorax esque "Unless somebody like you cares a whole lot" ending handled with enough maturity to still feel like a sufficient emotional climax. I get not locking neutral players out of the new content but I feel there might have been a better way to keep that going.

>>719656180
It's also the ending of not being enslaved by supernatural forces. Which is why I always go for it unless a better option exists, and they very rarely do.

>>719655746
Redux Chaos just unfucks the Earth and now all those polytheistic faiths we had are real, its a chance to start over again. its more optimistic than the old chaos ending
Chaos has been less about "muh world of strength" and more "WE MUST RETVRN" in the past few games

>>719656497
To be fair, most Chaos aligned people are usually at least somewhat more willing to commend you for beating them than law.

>>719656821
Chaos has always had a element of "We must return" since Shin Megami Tensei 2, arguably even Megami tensei 2. The one time it doesn't and it still feels like a somewhat happy ending, or at least a ending you could justify picking, was probably Devil Survivor.

Law is also consistently shown as being worse in every game other than MABYE Shin Megami tensei 1 and, again, Devil Survivor.

>>719655963
He's supposed to be Mexican or some shit, the new art just sucks
>>719656821
That's how Chaos was in the first few games, it's only recently that Chaos became DUDE WAR LMAO and Neutral became "let's all just get along bro"

Neutral is the best because I get to make more people mad.

>>719656795
>Strange Journey is just The Lorax
What the fuck?

>>719656986
Lorax has a damn good ending. Honestly more mature than most attempts at environmental messages.

>>719656976
>Neutral became "let's all just get along bro"
Neutral has always varied the most. It's typically very humanistic though. Which is good since all demons deserve death.

>>719653125 (OP)
Not until he goes full retard. Same with Zelenin, and most Chaos/Law heroes. They're both reasonable until they go off the deep end into alignment lock tardville.
At least New Chaos and New Law in Redux forces them to confront their stupidity.

Law is genuinely what alphabet soup people gravitate to. Chaos is stereotypical chudcel shit. Any normal person will beeline to neutral.

I like Neutral because I like telling both sides to go fuck off and do my own thing.

I don't need YOU, you need ME.

>>719657248
>Law is genuinely what alphabet soup people gravitate to.
The immense Christian themes of Law will always turn off alphabet people. Chaos is genuinly preferred because at least you get to murder angels.

Most people who like Chaos do so because Lucifer is actually capable of selling himself.

>>719657196
I think Neutral was great in SMT I and II because at that point the world was already fucked and it feels good to stand up for humanity and fight the Angels and Demons that are trying to take over everything. Meanwhile in SMT IV everything is not quite so dramatic so it just feels like a gay friendship ending that's the default "good" ending. Strange Journey is kinda in between I guess.

>>719657247
>At least New Chaos and New Law in Redux forces them to confront their stupidity.
But that's a bad thing.

>>719657248
Chaos has Lucifer, and Lucifer is a great character in design and personality.
Law and Neutral never get anyone that lives up to his quality so nobody naturally gravitates towards PRAISE ALLAH or AGGRESSIVELY DO NOTHING.

>>719657348
Lucy is 90% of Chaos' marketing. He is always great in every game he shows up

>>719654886
I got heavily disappointed when I finally got to play sj and Ashera turned out to be a literal tranny (male demon turning into a female one)

>>719657387
I like the neutral endings in most games. 4 largely got away with it because the alternatives are comedically worse. Then Apocalypses just turned it into the default ending, which I have more fixed feelings about.

Neutral ending in Nocturne is honestly one of my all time favorite video game endings. Granted, I love the neutral ending in 1 as well. 2 by comparison is a bit more lackluster, even if I like a lot of what it's trying to do (And also killing both Lucifer and God is awesome).

>>719657494
Mastema had the charisma to do it, but they decided to make him too obviously manipulative.

>>719657494
Zayin is based thoughever

>>719657425
t. edgy dumbass who'd kill off humanity trying to force his dumbass worldview

>>719657678
Also he looks like a women and that gives me a confused boner every time I see him.

>>719657582
Neither Nocturne or Apocalypse have a neutral ending.

DEMONS GO TO HELL
ANGELS GET THE MEGIDOLAON TOO
GET THE FUCK OFF MY ERF

>>719657582
*Mixed feelings

>>719657883
Sounds like a You problem.

>>719657769
No one likes the Redux endings because they're basic bitch wish fulfillment.

>>719657678
People forget that Lucifer in 1 was Mastema 2.0. He was just as much of a shit head.

>>719657268
>I like telling both sides to go fuck off and do my own thing.
That's chaos mentality, however.

>>719657678
Mastema is great.. as a jackass villain for you to beat.
As much as I like him bro just can't carry a route by himself like Lucifer

>>719657883
He does not look like a woman at all and the internet has poisoned your mind.

>>719658017
>bro just can't carry a route by himself
Neither can Lucy.

>>719658003
And yet chaosfags get mad anyway.

>>719657915
I would say the freedom ending in Nocturne is largely their version of the neutral ending.

>>719657960
>>719658129
It's the long hair.

>>719657986
2 made him way more clean cut and he was also largely the good guy in Megami Tensei 2 and even Nocturne(Despite the whole cosmic genocide thing)

>>719658180
Yeah, the point of chaos is to is to be mad at each other forever.

>>719658286
there's plenty of masculine characters with long hair anon

YHVH would not be pleased at such faggotry

>>719653125 (OP)
cool dude but chaos route ending sucks

>>719658286
He's definitely not good in 3.

>>719658443
He's weird in 3. He's pretty much the only reason you can do anything in that game, but his ultimate goal is probably way too much for most people. You are also pretty directly compared to Lucifer in the Freedom ending and that route is very unambiguously good.

>>719656795
The weird thing about the neutral ending is that they gave the Law/Chaos endings more positive outcomes

>>719655494
In which world is this bad? SJ's neutral route was about humanity defying the higher powers and going its own way and that's exactly what happens. If you want to "fix" humanity you choose the new law or chaos endings.

>>719658583
Demon ending is also about Lucifer. Any ending where you pick a reason is a law ending.

>>719658808
I guess? Don't remember what Lucifer thinks of the Demon(Not the true one) ending, frankly.

>>719657247
Zayin did nothing wrong

>>719658792
It's cancer treatment instead of a cancer cure

>>719658808
>Any ending where you pick a reason is a law ending.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

>>719658926
He appears to say Demi has his blessing and that he'll help him build a millennium kingdom for demons.

>>719659028
It's absolutely true, because picking a reason sides with Kagutsuchi who is law.

>>719659085
Alright, fair enough then.

>>719659085
Not only was SMT3 designed with a concerted effort to avoid the standard alignments, the game was kicked off with an anti-Law act. If you really want to be pedantic about it, the Freedom ending is Law while all the others are Chaos.

Honestly, I wish more games did like Nocturne did and moved away from traditional alignments.

>>719659295
>all the others are chaos
>when Kagutsuchi commends you for picking a reason
>Kagutsuchi is chaos

>>719659392
No, you get SMT V where everyone is retarded no matter the choice and the "dlc" makes them all double down on it.

>>719659615
The Conception is supposed to be initiated by YHVH. It wasn't. Therefore, fixing things so YHVH can do it later is inherently a Lawful act.

>>719659392
That would require fatlus to actually make something original and not just a copy of their previous game so we can't have that

>>719659392
They should have copied DeSu and simply made alignment reps not retarded and willing to listen to reason.

>>719659949
I mean, they couldn't even entirely do that for the second devil survivor game.

>>719659703
>The Conception is supposed to be initiated by YHVH. It wasn't.
The fuck are you talking about?

>>719659949
That kinda got ruined when they just went the "and here's the actual true path btw" TDE-ending shortly after anyway. Same with >>719660065

They just can't help themselves. Psyduck is the best though and watching him genocide the fuck out of everyone when he joins your party in the true ending path was pretty neat.
>I am a pacifist, but...
>MEGIDOLAON MEGIDOLAON MEGIDOLAON

>>719657517
seems about right, trannies are demonic after all

>>719660101
The premise of the game is that Hikawa starts the Conception early so he can hijack it for his own purpose. There's no way all the Reason endings are Law for that alone.

>>719661228
The conception starting early doesn't change anything, why would it? It has to happen eventually anyway.
>I have to go to work
>I go to work early
>THIS IS A CHAOTIC ACTION YOU ARRIVED TOO EARLY
>but I still went to work
>....

>>719661390
Someone subverting the natural process of the world set in place by YHVH for their own gain is not Lawful. It's literally going against the will of YHVH.

>>719661570
>>719661390
The entire point of the conception is to erase all free will. All of the conception endings help that.

>>719661570
When is YHVH ever mentioned in III?
The conception has to happen anyway, how does it happening early subvert anyway? How many comparisons do you need to know what you're saying is dumb?

>>719661795
>When is YHVH ever mentioned in III?
Jesus Christ...

>>719661998
I'm being serious. Because he never is. Who do you think is YHVH?

Atlus's Neutral bias makes Law and Chaos irrelevant.

>>719662046
Nah. Chaos is plenty relevant.

Law though? Nope.

>>719660748
Wish trannies looked like Asherah lmao

>>719662046
We have had several chaos centric games while the last law centric one was II like 30 years ago.

>>719659949
>They should have copied DeSu and simply made alignment reps not retarded
naoya was such a redditor faggot I went law mostly to spite him and because the scope of the game means you don't purge 90% of humanity like most law endings

>>719655876
He's a real one

>>719662046
>>719662185
chaos = japan and law = america. since the devs are japanese it covers everything. SMT1 is literally yukio mishima trying to RETVN to the way of the samurai vs the president of america that nukes tokyo in act 1

>>719662645
>Chaosfags were closeted homos since the very first installment
It all makes sense now.

>>719653125 (OP)
The chaos ending in the remake is so cucked. Although they managed to make all of the endings worse in redux, the chaos one was the most affected.

Was there ever an SMT game where Chaos was objectively in the right?

>>719662859
Megami Tensei 2. Though, I guess that isn't a SMT game.

You could make a case for Chaos in SMT2.

>>719660065
Ronaldo is just a genuinely retarded character

>>719662787
>bro the apocalyptic landscape was totally a better ending

>>719653125 (OP)
>I don't get it.
>Am I supposed to disagree with him?
This, but with Jack.
Jack did nothing wrong

>>719662859
raidou 2 because the only difference is that in the law route raidou helps save japan because it's his duty and the game calls you a dog of the yatagarasu and in the chaos route he helps japan because he wants to so everyone thinks raidou is cool and chaos is basically just neutral but with more rewards/content

>>719662983
It's a shame since I think there is potential in his character and his ending isn't inherently bad. It's hard not to get over the fact he mostly just seems to be motivated by a grudge against a teenager and never seems to learn from his actions outside of one ending.

>>719655876
Gore is truly the GIGANIGGA, in the best way possible

>>719662859
DeSu

>>719662983
>let's just kill every fucking star in the sky
His triangulum ending was so fucking retarded it looped back to being metal as hell.

>>719653125 (OP)
Bugaboo made a big poopoo. Jimenez help!

>>719662979
>You could make a case for Chaos in SMT2.
No you can't.

>>719663364
>help the guy who killed you in your previous life kill even more people because he's mad about his daddy liking you more
I dunno about that one

>>719663364
His ending in DeSu is pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNE9sSOlDTI&t=303s

Always love Atsuro expression. You can tell he doesn't actually like any of this but is loyal enough to stick with you regardless.

>>719663431
Millennium is probably beyond saving if viewed practically and the ending largely has you wipe away the slate for a better future without blowing up the entire planet.

>>719662983
>when he fucking shoots Makoto to death in cold blood
What a nutcase.

which version is the better one?

>>719663659
You only think that because Makoto is hot.

>>719660065
Only ronnie was retarded.
Yamato's meritocracy wasn't all that bad, and psyduck's ending was pretty baller.
Daichi liberator is kinda shit, but restorer is fine.

>>719662859
chiaki in nocturne if she counts, she's killing lots of people over the course of the game but the actual world she creates is about the entire concept of weak/useless people/things not even existing at all so it wouldn't just be endless mad max death world like most chaos endings. you can poke holes in this of course but its way better then literally nothing happens forever or whatever bullshit osamu is on about as if most people aren't just going to create people in their own pocket reality instead of living as isolated neets forever like he wants.

she also gets bonus points for holding to her ideals to the end, you fight her and she isn't even allowed to live in her own world she created but she's still happy that it happened at all.

>>719663120
>demons doing horrific experiments on Elve's crew
>oh no, how terrible
>Jack's team does experiments on demons
>HOLY SHIT THIS IS THE MOST EVIL THING EVER, DUDE IS LITERALLY WORSE THAN SATAN

>>719663940
Psyduck ending was kind of awesome, though it honestly almost makes most other non restorer endings feel superfluous unless you just really like Yamato and or Ronaldo.

>>719664090
To be fair, the Demons at least had some kind of twisted blue and orange justification to it. Jack is just a cartoon supervillain.

>>719664090
I really think is funny how the red sprite gang kept antagonizing him eventhough Jack just kept to himself mining forma

>>719664120
Psyduck's ending was also pretty extreme since you basically had to recreate civilization from scratch dr.stone style.

>>719664729
True.

I should replay Devil Survivor 2 someday. I remember not being that in love with it as I was with the first game, but I do have some pretty fond memories of it and I never played the 3DS version.

>>719663791
3DS if you're not a contrarian.
DS if you are.

>>719655494
all the writing from 4 onward really feels like they want to spite the conventional message of the series and continually make neutral worse to try and make law and chaos not seem as retarded as they are. Sensei really needs to come back and whip these faggots into shape.

>>719663560
>what's gonna happen to us now
It's just like my doujins

The Chaos hero is always more of a bro, even when he goes full retard he usually feels bad about fighting you if you're Neutral. Meanwhile the Law hero basically always becomes a total dick, if they weren't already one. Jiminez and Zelenin, Walter and Jonathan, etc.

>>719663082
What's the damn point of even having a Chaos ending when the conclusion has the exact same ethos as the Law ending but with the "le demons" windows dressing? The neutral ending also sucks in redux.

>>719665507
It's funny to me how SMT 1's Chaos hero is basically just a chud/school shooter type and even looks like the meme

>>719665507
Law hero in 1 was pretty cool, but then he got brainwashed.
Same goes for johnny though I am not sure if there is anything of Johnny left after he fused with the smarchangels

>>719665507
>Meanwhile the Law hero basically always becomes a total dick,
>"NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR DEAD MOTHER, ANON!"

Honestly, I feel Amane being a mostly likeable hot girl did so much to help the law route in that game.

>>719665597
>What's the damn point of even having a Chaos ending when the conclusion has the exact same ethos as the Law ending but with the "le demons" windows dressing?
Law ending is mostly about overcoming human nature through force, while Chaos is about returning humanity to nature. They really aren't the same.

>>719653125 (OP)
He is brown and therefore wrong

>>719655876
Why cant we get black characters like him? Bro was just looking out for you AND humanity

>>719653125 (OP)
He is by far the least redeemable of the 3 alignment reps. Zelenin is comically naive but I can believe it because she's a frightened woman who can't handle the mission. Jimenez just spergs out for no reason and cries when his actions end up having consequences.

>>719665773
Yes, you're right, and that's why they suck in redux. "Muh feelings Hekapoo", the nomadic wasteland chaotic freedom in the original ending embody the spirit of the left hand path better than just an unified demon utopia. In Redux, they both are the same in principle, they homogenized the outcomes completely.

>>719653125 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMhyZcq3t2E
El Diablo….

>>719666238
I think they just want to pander to babies who want to have their cake and eat it too. Just all the supposed good parts of their belief with none of the icky stuff like genociding all of humanity

>>719654284
Walter in SMT IV's Law ending addresses this.

>If you've beaten me, then that means you're the stronger man. Perhaps that itself means you were in the right

>>719653125 (OP)
No random schmuck typing shit on a image board would ever truly agree on a world of unrelenting chaos of survival of the fittest, they would be the first on the natural selection guillotine.

>>719666862
Nobody with a brain would. Even if you're strong and well-connected, you'd live in constant paranoia of someone murdering you.

best version of each SMT to play?

>>719667208
just play all of them

>>719666860
That's why everyone loves Senator Armstrong, who was pretty much a bog standard Chaosfag that doesn't get a mental breakdown and die screaming how it isn't fair when the protagonist beats him.

>>719666862
I don't think any of us would be pure enough to survive in a Law world either.

>>719666482
I mean, that was the intent.

I can't say i wholly dislike it since I refused to do the original endings out of principle. Much like I did in 4 or any of the reason endings in Nocturne.

>Neutral means it will HAPPEN AGAIN
>The other 2 outcomes while extreme at least offer a possibility at something else

SMT3's alignment reps are funny because their ideals are not exactly bad or cartoonishly goofy, but they go against their respective personalities.
The chaos ideal is so funny because missus 100% Denimwear spent the entire game sneaking and scurring like a rat to avoid any and all direct conflict until she got a cheat code and now she wants a world where might makes right? Her ass is not surviving a single second of her ideal world and neither are the other two because their ideal worlds are dystopian utopias born out of what might be chud ass "oh no i got rejected millions must live alone" ideals.
It's charming in a way, especially because they themselves won't get to live in said worlds anyways if them banishing to nothing's anything to go by.

>>719665684
amane is from a vaugely asian religious cult instead of a vaugely christian one so she was allowed to actually make good points instead of just going
>wow it sucks bad things are happening, I want that to stop, guess I'll trust this angel completely

>try to play SMT1
>game is complete dogshit schizo spreadsheet with no info on anything
if there is a game that needs a remake is this

>>719653125 (OP)
I guess he is supposed to have waves but his head looks like someone scribbled sharpie.

>>719667575
All of them are humongous hypocrites and it's honestly funny how they are all so eager to give away their humanity.

>>719667669
SMT1 is weird. I've tried to play and finish it a few times. Gameplay wise it's honestly pretty easy, not even that grindy, especially if you list down how to fuse strong demons. Story alternates between absolute brilliance and kind of a hot mess. Admire it for what it tried to do at the time though. Though probably not as much as Megami Tensei 2, which was psychotically ambitious for a Nes rpg.

>>719665603
He kinda looks like that guy from Falling Down.
>I don't want lunch. I want breakfast.
>Look at this sorry, miserable, squashed yakitori.

>>719667507
>The other 2 outcomes while extreme at least offer a possibility at something else
In the long term it will happen again, actually.

>>719667575
>entire game sneaking and scurring like a rat to avoid any and all direct conflict
she's a teenage girl with no demon worm superpowers like (you) and no summoned help like fukawa, what the fuck was she supposed to do? the fact that she wasn't ganked by the first group of preta she saw because she started crying and refusing to move after literally the entire world ended speaks to some inner strength and that's why (along with being literally the only person there lmao) gozu-tennoh gives her a buff.

>>719667575
Chiaki is just the classic cycle of abuse in wanting to pay her suffering forward when she finally gets real power. Aside from that getting your shit stomped and arm ripped off by demons probably changes anybody.

>>719667507
>Neutral means it will HAPPEN AGAIN
And then the neutralchads stop it again

>>719667897
If anything Chiaki would want a more peaceful world, not a world where her ass would not really survive considering she didn't deal with the nastiest fucks. But at the end of the day, shin megami tensei is a fucking woman moment, Chiaki just gets #1 woman moment.

I'm glad denying Alex and killing her rewards you with the old, good endings. Redux is accidentally an improvement over the original in this regard.

Neither angels or demons are humanity's friend, don't betray your fellow humans.

>>719667575
>now she wants a world where might makes right?
that's not what she's going for, she lays it all out pretty clear in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVeau9-KbiE, it would be less about chaotically struggling for supremacy and more like idealized fantasy elves or something where everyone is just already perfect and unfettered doing their own things for the greater whole. that's why her ending shows a cityscape and not a destroyed wasteland or tribal huts like most chaos endings

>>719668138
Any chaosfag worth his salt naturally thinks he's king shit and would beat everyone, Chiaki getting high on her new power fits just fine.

Neutral is for fencesitting retards.

>>719666862
Id agree on a world of unrelenting chaos if I had the power to command absurdly strong demons like lucifer

>>719668217
>wears shoes
Chaos and Law will NEVER recover

World of Stillness is best ending.

>>719668320
neutral destroys the fence

>>719668459
By sitting on it with your FAT ASS

>>719667669
>dogshit schizo spreadsheet with no info on anything
Literally just play the PS1 version, it's more rebalanced than SNES and the better menu and fusion UI make it much more tolerable for casuals who aren't seeing smt1 as an upgrade from 90s PC game levels of obscurity.

>>719668517
Nothing screams turd worlder like fence sitter. I have never heard that term used by a non slav or brown person.

>>719669151
>I have never heard a common English term being used by native English speakers
wat?

>>719668598
the great will gave man two ass cheeks to sit on both law and chaosfag heads at once

>>719669228
The term doesnt even come up in Google trends. Its not a white man's term. You have been brainwashed by people who hate Anglos.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=Fence%20sitter&date=now%201-d&geo=CA&hl=en

>>719668320
Total demon death is not a fence. It's a lifestyle.

SJ Redux has the only good downer neutral ending and I don't mind them making it more sour than the original.

>>719668138
>Chiaki just gets #1 woman moment.
That's still Yuko.

The chaosfag cries "nooo millions must die i must be on top" as he bottoms the neutralchad who just wants mankind to live however the fuck they want
The lawfag cries "nooo millions must die, god must be on top" as he bottoms the neutralchad who just wants mankind to live in peace

And both sides repeat this cycle because angel wankers and demonfags cannot get the hint to stop coming back.

>>719668217
This. Humanity is divine, and demons and angels serve TO US, not otherwise.

>>719669539
>geo=CA
of course

>>719669539
At the risk of exposing my ignorance of how google works, why would a century-old term show up on google trends?

>>719670204
Try other words.

>>719670126
>You have been brainwashed by people who hate Anglos.
You should see which one of us is more Caucasian... Than look up whos pic I posted.

>leaf retard doesn't know what fence sitting means
>look up the wrong term
>get mad
you can't make this shit up

>>719657517
In reality she's God's bimbo wife (its not gay to pump to her)

>>719670476
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=ass%20kisser&date=now%201-d&geo=CA&hl=en
Common English phrase, also zero results. Looks like this tool is useless.

>>719663364
amane seggs

>>719655876
The fit that saved humanity

The lawfag would melt jackfrost
The chaosfag would rape jackfrost
The neutralchad would cuddle jackfrost and integrate him to society
Therefore Neutral > other alignments, not just for mankind but for some* demon/angels

>>719663532
speaking of that I could never do chaos in SMT 4 like that because lilith literally killed your parents
and you can't ever say that

>>719671792
I never realized he was supposed to have "pupils" that are also white I thought his eyes were just blank light or something

>>719654284
Shut up Flynn.
Go back to the cuckshed while I plap your wife/my Goddess.

>>719654886
Ashera is the original form.
Asura was the tranny.

Since this is an SMT thread, post more of Waltuh's funny faces

>>719672276
You know what annoyed me in SMT 4
Walter is all butthurt about the children being turned into demon drugs but is instantly OK with neurishers in infernal tokyo

Now, I think in the long term they actually did think about this and you can chalk it up to him being OK with the neurishers tenuously "choosing" to be slaves (I think) but in terms of actual writing he is immediately OK with neurishers long before you even get the environmental storytelling that they may have a choice in the matter.

>>719654886
Chaos is literally a feminine force. Mother Nature.

>>719672276
This one is my personal favorite hoy.

>>719672538
This is one of those schizo headcanon things in SMT fandom but I've never respected the idea that chaos might makes right has anything to do with natural selection. I don't think the games have ever articulated anything that thought seriously about survivorship and I don't think it's ever been on Atlus' idea radar.

I think we can all agree that law is the worst alignment because you're just sucking yahweh and the angel's cocks. SMT4's law ending is even the worst in the series because you just fucking get erased from existence.

>>719672767
I don't see how you can separate the two. Most demons just straight up eat people so what do you think happens to the weak when the strong show up?

>>719672952
>Literally stopped playing 4 because I locked myself into the law ending and I despise law
Yes.

How the fuck does "Give money to random people" translate into "KILL EVERYBODY!"

what made SMT 4 so memorable compared to all others?

>>719672767
“Survival of the fittest”

>>719673162
Nothing? It's the most forgettable by far, you can see this by how many people forgetting how shit it was.

>>719673210
I think it's just used thoughtlessly as a "social darwinism" might makes right slogan and not seriously thinking about how survivorship creates change in itself.

>>719672952
I kinda liked 4's law as far as law ending goes.
You nuke tokyo and yourself with it, but Mikado now knows eternal peace.

Why do evil women wear denim?

>>719673289
SMTIV still has the best lawfag ending though.

>>719673619
It's hardcoded in their jeans.

>>719673449
I didn't find it very satisfying. It needed more buildup of shit like Stephen-Merkabah showing self-loathing thinking it had stained itself so it made sense or other foreshadowing like that.

>>719655876
Why hasn't there been any neutral characters as based as Gore?

>>719673817
er not stephen, I meant jonathan

>>719673890
Steven Hawking as based quantum crystal magic science man had a monopoly on it for decades.

>Redux endings give a new perspective on the law/chaos/neutral paths that make the former two much more justifiable and the latter a lot more blatant in its long-term ramifications
>It's stuck to a chick you deal with in five minutes
>can lock yourself to the old endings if you go about the fight wrong
>V and Vengeance didn't bother with it in the slightest in favor of making law and Lucifer look like absolute hypocritical dogshit
What the hell nigga.

>>719656821
TIME TO POLISH OUR SOULS.

>>719674394
>can lock yourself to the old endings if you go about the fight wrong
it's literally just a yes/no question after meme aleph bro

>>719655494
>t. white

>>719673992
Stephen isn't really a Neutral rep, yes he's most closely aligned with Neutral but he's kind of above the alignments in a way.

If you sided with the wh*te woman and Tommy Wiseau we have nothing to discuss.

mastema is actually the only reason to go LAW. he's such a dickhead you just go LAW to see what he has to say

>>719673719
BOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>719676276
kaneko's designs are so soulful
wish he'd come back

>>719672562
HIGHER

>>719657915
He didn't say Apocalypse had a neutral ending, he was saying Apocalypse basically makes neutral SMT4's default ending since it branches off of SMT4 neutral.

>want to see every ending
>remember I have to play the game 3 sometimes 4 times
grim

>>719676772
Just watch them on youtube lol

>>719676772
just get a streamer (friend) to play it for you

>>719676772
>multiple full games worth of content is le bad
Atlus is saving gaming and this is your response?
Shamefur dispray

>>719676772
I think for some reason SMT 2 was the only one I ever had enough gas to do all three endings on. But I think even there I kept a savestate a bit before the lockin and set the alignment with cheats.

>>719676772
>So first run blind
>Watch the other endings on youtube afterwards
This is the patrician choice.

>>719677119
The branchings are never that early.

>>719677515
>MIGHT MAKES RIGHT!
>NOOOOOOOOOO STOP BEATING MY MOTHER AND GIRLFRIEND TO DEATH THATS SO EVIL!!!!!!!

You did support Raidou game right?

>>719678956
i love the fuck out of raidou 1 and 2 but i have no interest in the remake. i have a feeling they put a bunch of shitty nu demons in it and the soul is completely gone.

>>719678778
Why's your image so squeezed?
Here, I fixed it for you.

>>719679023
>i have a feeling they put a bunch of shitty nu demons
Agreed.
They put the pretty boy of VV and Zeus but not Cleopatra?
Horse shit.

>>719673162
The smirk system is the funniest thing ever and i hate that nobody's romhacking SMT3 to backport smirking.

>>719679779
because it's dumb and broken

>>719676409
The alienman is heading back to his home planet, best hope he leaves behind an AI that can replicate his design philosophy.

>>719679826
It's dumb, broken but most importantly, fun.

>>719673149
This happened to me too and I also stopped playing lmao
God, I fucking hate the retarded point system on smt4

>>719679779
man I would be terrible in 3 because you already die in that game to really unlucky ambush random encounters, with smirk it would be horribly worse

>>719679234
Oh thanks my potato must have compressed it wrong

I would became a Lawfag just for Abdiel, I kinda understand Ichiro.

Only post-4 SMT games have bad lawfag endings, and by bad i don't mean the "oh no law are the bad guys!!", i mean badly written. 1's law ending is whatever, 2's law ending is the best ending, 3's law ending is the start of the "lawfag ending = wagie slave" stereotype, i forgot SJ's law ending cause i did not do law that game. 4 (both vanilla and apocalypse) is where law goes full retard.

Law
>Bro let's be slaves forever
Neutral
>Nothing matters!
Chaos
>Bro let's kill each other!

And you people wondered why people prefer Persona.

>>719684643
And what are the alignment options in Persona?

>>719684793
Harem or Monogamy.

Don't care. I'll always bet on Chaos.

>>719684643
Neutral is more ''i just wanna grill in peace'' than ''boo hoo endless cycle of pain!!'' and even then, there's the other side of the coin where Neutral is often the ''fuck you god and fuck off lucifer'' route when it comes to the journey. Spess Doomguy from SJ and Kazuya are the better examples of protags practically telling those zogoids to fuck off until they get the hint (they won't).

>>719686031
>Kazuya
The SMT1 Hero doesn't have a canon name, anon.

>>719686124
I use Kazuya out of spite because a smug fuck years ago once said ''oh his name is Shin cause of Shin Megami Tensei'' and my face still has wrinkles from how hard i cringed, point here's that SMT1 and SJ got neutral routes that scream ''i hate god and lucifer alike'' when it comes to gameplay and storyflow.
The best part about being a fencesitter is that i get more enemies to fucking fight.

>>719669012
I played the ps1 version. The dungeons are cancer even then. Mostly the final dungeon. But I still enjoyed it. SMT2 was a lot better in that department and also had a cooler setting.

>>719684643
>Nothing matters!
Humanity matters.

>>719684643
If you want the actual philosophies without the retarded hyperbole
>Law
Humanity are scared cattle and can't be trusted to govern themselves, they need a higher authority to guide them and save them from ruin.
>Neutral
Humanity might make mistakes, but at the end of the day I trust that we'll eventually learn and better ourselves enough to overcome our base fears and desires.
>Chaos
Humanity's strife and primal desires are necessary for change, and change is good, we should pursue individual freedom and strength no matter the cost.

>>719686339
Suit yourself. I prefer Chaos because i want more freedom for myself.

>>719686530
Also Law is "believe in YHVH/Angels/etc", chaos is "believe in Lucy", Neutral is "Believe in yourself. If you can't believe in yourself, believe in the me who believes in you."

I’m tired of pretending SMTIV’s law ending was bad. It seems much preferable to chaos. At least you have an area where everything is pretty good and people don’t have to deal with demons

>>719654284
At least in SJ all the best demons are chaos aligned

>>719686647
I thought 4's Law ending was pretty good.

>>719686647
Except Apocalypse confirms that YHVH is canonically a spiteful cunt who fears humanity and nothing good comes from Law.
If you want him gone you have to go Neutral. If you believe you can keep the current universe and believe in your friends, that's Bonds. If you want a proper Reset button that's better than the shitty White ending, that's Anarchy. Both are Neutral.

>>719686773
I fucking hate what Apocalypse has done to YHVH. And this Messiah shit too.

>>719686871
YHVH deserves being a cuck tho

>>719686457
>never ask a neutralCHAD the race of his mommy gf

>>719677318
They kinda are in Nine, but
>Nine

>>719686991
The NeutralGAWDS crush the false kingdoms of lawFAGS betwixt our fingers and take the women of chaosKEKS for a bride.

>>719659949
>the enemies are as numerous as the number of star in the sky
>let's kick their asses anyway!

>>719686991
I'm an advocate of "some demons are chill" Neutral

>>719653125 (OP)
You're supposed to either agree with him or with Zelenin or with neither, it's your choice.

>>719655494
Jimenez's route makes no sense because he whines abiut his retard baby demon friend being mistreated but then creates a brutal world where might makes right, a world where that very same loser idiot would have no chance whatsoever.
Zelenin is also crazy, but at least she stays consistent with her idea of the ideal world, it's just that her ideal world is a creepy endless mass ceremony where people just stand around like zombies singing at god.
The Redux endings tone this retardation down significantly and give them more moderate endings, but the retardation had to settle elsewhere so the babysitter of humanity endign happened.

>>719659392
I disagree, what they should do is just expand the alignment axis to include their tendencies, so if for example you go Law you can pick between supporting Light-Law angels like Metatron or Dark-Law angels like Samael or the Demiurge

>>719653125 (OP)
You can still get the original story in the remake right? Or do you need to play the DS version too?

>>719654284
>Walter and Jonathan both come to see the flaws in Mikado, with how the poor are mistreated and the wealthy abuse their status
>there's no route where they work together to fix the system

>>719686991
>wife convinces you to commit to the worst neutral end of all time

>>719665507
Jonathan was more of a bro than Walter and did actively try to patch things up until the forced alignmentlock braindead waves took effect

>>719686351
SMT1 is easy if you play any game like Wizardry 1. A game with no mapping, character permadeaths after reviving too much, weight limits, more trap chests, etc.
The Great Cathedral's sin is just being too damn long and requiring a demon with estoma unless you want to fight a hundred battles from top to bottom.

SMT2 is really cool but I always crap out at the pillar hunting part, the game also doesn't have any cool landmarks like 1/3/4. It's certainly unique though, I wish they would add more weird cyber techno shit like they were obsessed with in the 90s. I love the aesthetics of SMT2/Devil Summoner/Soul Hackers with enemies who are dudes jacked into PCs, literally everything can be a computer, bosses can range from a demon falling out of a book to cult pseudoscience magic energy, or weird rumor demons.

>>719688069
Yes you can still get the original story in the 3ds remake

>>719687554
It would be cool to finally have this in a game outside of NINE. Like you could ally with Mastema and become happy merchant light-lawfag and convince/brainwash others to join you in making a peaceful if morally questionable world, while Dark Law would be crushing the enemies of God and burning shit solely because it slightly disagrees with the most extreme shit in the Torah.
Light Chaos would be creating some kind of tribal worship world where the weak survive by paying tribute to the old gods, while Dark chaos is the shitty world of strength meme where everyone is fucking killing each other all the time.

>>719671907
To be fair it's hard to see on the little DS screen

>>719653125 (OP)
Just filter him through the time janny slut, it'll be fine.

>>719684643
>>719684793
Persona and Metaphor are just mandatory neutral routes of telling divine beings to fuck off and trusting humanity will figure something out eventually

>>719653125 (OP)
I like Zelenin because she's hot. Sadly me thinking she's hot means she'd probably hate me

>>719691278
Persona has to deal with near annual apocalyptic threats because of the masses, only holding on because they get bailed out by a handful of strong willed persona-users (and one time that wasn't enough, the world did end)
Metaphor takes place in a post-apocalypse after humanity did destroy the world
Humanity sucks in those games

Fuck Law
Fuck Chaos
Fuck Neutral
Fuck God
Fuck Lucifer
Fuck Angles
Fuck Demons
Fuck Humanity
And last but not least Fuck Everything.

>>719691437
>humanity fucks everything up
>deity and/or evil persona user shows up and say they're going to enslave humanity, end humanity, or enact survival of the fittest
>big dick persona user beats them and says they're going to leave humanity as it is even though it's flawed and fucked up in the first place
Yup, neutral routes

>>719691813
>>719688028

Redux law is flat out the best ending in the whole franchise.
Not even the epilogue was able to find a single fault, short and long term, for it.

>>719691278
You can always tell not-Lucifer you are cool with genocide and high-five together as you murder everyone in Metaphor.
Or tell your dad life does actually suck and you may as well have a creepy two-man operation in Fake Tokyo.

No they are not real routes, but it's something.

>>719692009
Never played Redux because I am not insane enough to put myself through the bullshit of SJ's dungeon of teleporting memes, what are the new endings?

>>719663885
She was hot and a good person. When it comes down to it she was a genuinely trustworthy person I think.

>>719686871
He's a cunt in every game, the only difference is the level of how much of a cunt he is

>>719657248
Law is for protochuds Neutral is for everyone who knows what Substack is with no exceptions and Chaos is for general gamers picking up the series

I try to always try to go Neutral in SMT games because it lets me kill the most demons and people

>>719688028
>>719691813
>Y-You're not solving anything!
>YHVH and Lucifer still exist in other timelines!
>You're basically letting them win!
>J-Just don't press the button... please...

Law was only good in SMT2 and DeSu

>>719693223
>thoust have showeth me I can put sugar in me coffee, which despite being here since the dawn of humanity I have never attempted
>I shall now kill for you.
DeSu2 was something.

is the steam version of smt 3 good or its better to emulate the ps2 one?

>>719687230
Would being a demonfucker lock you into Chaos, or could you manage a Neutral ending where you have a Pixie/Moh Shuvuu/etc wife?

>>719693886
Depends on which game's Chaos and Neutral we're talking about. But in general, I think making a demon your proper wife because you see humanity in them is Neutral, but not "erase all demons" Neutral. Making a demon pleasure harem and considering them better than humans is pretty Chaos

>>719667669
Filtered
>remake
and stay that way

>>719695184
He's right tho

>>719695184
you never played SMT1

>>719678956
Yeah

Japan has fallen, billions must die

>>719656180
What's the problem with kicking the can down the road forever? That's what humanity does best. We are all definitely going to die, but every day we kick that can down the road by eating, drinking, sleeping, and working so we can live. We cure diseases to kick the can down the road, we stop murderers and defend ourselves to kick the can down the road. I don't fucking care if Law or Chaos is inevitably going to cause problems because I'm always going to delay it as much as humanly possible, and that's good.

>>719695719
Why would that be good when the alternative is rising to a higher state of consciousness that allows you to perceive reality in the many layers of its creation? Just because you have been hammered in the head enough that you find a slow death by wagie and vapid everyday interactions are better? That is cattle mentality.

>>719695850
Needing gods or demons to show you the way is cattle mentality. Be your own man, and have humanity choose its own path (no matter the cost in demon lives)

>>719696083
Then we are in agreement. Neutral is shit.
>but but you kill demons
Yeah and you also take away all the available means of protecting your reality from any of the 999999999999999999999 dimension-hopping faghats that will come take the place of the ones you just killed moments later, as demonstrated by Lucy doing just that nanoseconds into someone choosing to give him the window in SMTV.

is strange journey mainline? if so where does it fit?

>>719696083
Is it really? Considering that humanity in SMT has not managed shit, it feels like using demons is unironically the only smart choice to move forward. Not being subservient to them, but using them definitely.

>>719696589
Stephen doesn't appear so it's probably not mainline. Then again, he also doesn't appear in Nocturne, so that rule isn't absolute.

>>719692728
The dungeons are actually fun.
But basically, Zelenin gets rid of violence, so people actually talks things out and all this without becoming mindless chanting drones like in her original ending.
Her ending is an unironic paradise where everyone is happy and no one suffers, while keeping free will.

>>719696786
>Stephen doesn't appear so it's probably not mainline.
He technically does, as he's the one who sends/modifies the demon summoning program.

>>719697098
How oddly positive for an SMT ending.

>>719697098
How do you get rid of violence?

>>719697292
think of a new color, if you make people new be able to think of violence you get rid of it

>>719697325
>new *never

>>719695184
SMT I is not hard, it's genuinely esoteric nonsense. It's an autobattler at its best, and a ridiculous balancing shitshow at its worst.
>>719697169
It's implied that this leaves the utopia entirely vulnerable to subjugation by outside forces. Whatever that means, it's left unsaid.

>>719697835
Guess if nobody knows how to violence it up, nobody steps up to Lucifer when he eventually decides to drop by the neighbourhood.

>browsing usenet
>some fuck send in a program saying it can allow people to fight demons and shit
>delete the spam
what a fag

>>719699957
>browsing the -net
>some fuck send in a program saying it can allow people to fight demons and shit
>immediately kill myself
>wait what