Thread 719678473

What went wrong (8th - 10th edition)

>>719678473 (OP)
The fanbase turned bad and GW was always bad

>>719678473 (OP)
You already know why it’s bad you just wanna bait people into blogging

>>719678518
>turned bad
They were the ones who slopped up GW's shit to begin with

>>719678794
Don’t give Me that shit how can any white man hate old 40k?

>>719678976
chads who liked fantasy more

>>719679079
>>719678976
Both suck and are for chuds anyway

>>719679079
>>719678976
What’s the difference ones edgy scifi the others edgy history with monsters real original Warhammer bronies

>>719679079
trve trve

>>719679079
I love age of Sigmar more than 40k!

Objectively
>Space Marine wank
Space Marines were always the stars of the setting, but at this point they're a cancer and I wouldn't be surprised if the Imperial Guard or Sisters of Battle were discontinued or turned into more space marines.
>Chaos wank
Having a billion antagonists doesn't matter if only one is an actual threat. Chaos, Tyrannids, Necrons, Orks, and Tau should all be indirectly working together (from a meta story perspective) to provide antagonistic forces, but instead it's just Chaos. That's all that matters. Everything else is just an annoyance.
>it stopped being a wargame, and started being "collectable"
Nobody can afford shit if it's priced like an investment and players are constantly told old models are no longer supported and they must buy new models because uhhhh new models.

Why are more people just outright shitting on fantasy and 40k for what reason?

I knew it was over when they turned necrons into le wacky reddit scientists types

>>719679758
I swear I hate that book and fags here defend it

>>719678473 (OP)
casualized and DEIified for a non-existent wider audience
you are only going to spend 1000 dollars on little army men and paints and play with them if you are a white male chud.
so let nerds play with armor facing, gun arcs, scatter die, and blast templates. fuck all this streamlining. and fuck all the gay little story books.

>>719679651
>it stopped being a wargame
being a wargame was never a focus. the wargame was only ever there to try and get you to buy more plastic. It was always supposed to be collectable focused.

We got a server that rejects nu 40k and embraces what >>719679949 listed

https://discord.gg/mSRYkhvatt

You guys who complain about the game are so odd you don’t have to play modern 40k and you already know GW won’t help you so why complain

>>719678473 (OP)
3rd edition and it's consequences
fuck chambers
fuck thorpe
FUCK WARD in particular

>>719680436
>Still crying over Ward

You aren’t even in your 30s man

>>719680491
I wish I still was...

The only good piece of 40K media is StarCraft Brood War and 30% of the reason is they let the “Tyranids” win like they logically should and GW is too dickless to ever allow because marinefags pay the bills

>>719678473 (OP)
I'm enjoying Darktide so far. Hate the current burster spam event though

>>719679694
>fantasy
I really don't like WH fantasy I find it dull and boring compared to 40K. If I wanted a medieval fantasy setting I have countless better options than WH, I don't think it should even exist

Video games? Where's the fucking VIDEO GAMES on /v/ - Video Games?

>>719678473 (OP)
is warhammer conservative or woke ?

>>719682484
It’s conservative no matter how much people say it’s satire

>>719682484
why are you like this

>>719678473 (OP)
>What went wrong (8th - 10th edition)
Serious answer. GW was a flagging company with difficulty creating good ROI. This was due to the company being in the Old School mold, wherein slow, gradual growth and consistency was chased rather than rapid returns on 12mo cycles.
In the mid 2010s it was decided that they would chase profitability over consumer interests, and it worked. They're officially in the FTSE 100 on the London Stock Exchange. They make fucking bank. But the product suffered. Less models per box (for more money). Shorter development cycles for codex and rule books to force everyone to buy more more often to stay up to date (which also means less playtesting and dev times). More licensing for sloppa (all those mobile games). Completely overhauling lines of miniatures to force you into re-buying armies.
None of that is good for the consumer, but it will make you money.

>>719683294
See blogpost

their shift to focusing on tournament rules and balancing around that. also trying to appeal to the video game crowd with special activation stratagems, OP named heros+hero abilities, HP pools for vehicles, no armor facings for vehicles, and the most ass retarded terrain/cover rules imaginable in wargaming

>>719682620
retard

Can we just admit 40k rules were always bad

>>719678473 (OP)
1. Games Workshop tried to pivot to being family friendly and in turn shit on their setting. They turned away from grimdark and tried to make everything sleek, heroic, and noble. Space Marines are not "heroes" nor are they noble bros who love humans. They're transhumans who would gladly step on your skull if it meant reaching a target a second faster. Orks are not all-round goofballs, they're a genuine threat who will enslave masses, kick babies for fun, and will turn you into cattle for culling and eating. Eldar are not "misconstrued aliens that want to help humans in the end." They're a pompous, otherworldly xeno that think of humans as nothing more than animals, barely more aware than orks in comparison.

2. Games Workshop focuses waaay too heavily on Space Marines because they are beholden to profit above all. They saw that people liked Space Marines, focused on Space Marines, and then wonder why nobody likes anything else as they continue to focus on Space Marines. This has led to ridiculous power creep (on both tabletop and lore) where people genuinely believe a single squad of Space Marines can take an entire planet when in reality, a squad of space marines can be taken out by a few squads of Imperial Guard. Meanwhile, Xenos get ignored and Eldar and Tau might as well be a dead faction.

>>719679694
>Why are more people just outright shitting on fantasy and 40k for what reason?
Because GW has handled both extremely poorly?
>"HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE THE MULTI BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES HANDLING OF A BELOVED IP?!"

>>719683552
Every new addition feels worse. I dropped AdMech when they needed a diagram and flash cards to keep track of units, keywords, stratagems, all that shit. I got out before every author had to add some pet tranny oc and price increase #98754

>>719682484
It's neither. Holy fuck. Settings, writing, and art don't exist as vessels to insert your politics into. The "media literate" crowd is so fucking retarded.

>>719683552
anyone whose serious about wargames know this, even many of the people who actually play 40k

>>719683929
You are the shitposter on /tg/ can you join this discord? We need your services

https://discord.gg/y4uHVVDE

>>719683776
40k is for chuds tho

The biggest thing that irks me about GW is how they expect you to buy the fucking rules to play the game you already spent like $500 on models for
$60 just to get access to my units' stat lines and like a page and a half of army rules that will cycle out in like two years max and become useless anyways

There's no way this is actually profitable for them, I'd actually buy a lot more plastic if I knew I could just throw it on the table and start playing but every time I think about how I'll need to buy the fucking $60 book they lose the sale from me. The fact that they won't even let people read what other armies do is fucking insane from both a marketing and game design stance

>>719678473 (OP)
>Play 10th Ed
>It's cool but I can see the okay-ness in it
>Read about Age of Sigmar rules
>They look fun and some wacky stuff going on
>Look any other system, even Kill Team
>It's more fun and less restrictive/outdated than 10Ed

Yeah you can see what's going on. 40k rules are built upon legacy, and need a proper remake for FUN. But it's just a lot of effort and some smelee fans wouldn't take it.

>>719678473 (OP)
I just want IA to be fun and viable... FUCK

>>719686673
>40k rules are built upon legacy, and need a proper remake for FUN
What's mad is that every change they do make just makes the game demonstrably worse, when there's a laundry list of changes they COULD make which would demonstrably improve the game.
I gave up playing the game after 8th Ed - it was obvious the company don't stress test their games, and I could never convince the friends I played with to either change the rules ourselves or play another game.

>>719683664
>Space Marines are not "heroes" nor are they noble bros who love humans.
Ravenguard are.

>>719678473 (OP)
Warhammer got famous with normies and they just want all that money as fast as possible

>>719686815
Get them into KillTeam first, it is fun and it's a good induction for the big battles. And it is good, good enough to be played forever if they so wish.

>>719686912
Nah, these guys have been playing since 2e. They have 0 interest in anything that isn't 40k battles. I just stopped playing. Wasn't fun anymore.

I don't really keep up with the drama and polposting, so I'm pretty okay with 40k.
Play weekly on TTS, ladder on DoW1.

the chapterhouse lawsuit and the success of horus heresy are the biggest culprits, but gw's perfect combination of stupidity and greed is the root of it all. looking at the tabletop game specifically you have the problem that they are willing to sacrifice game balance just to sell more plastic toys. they shit out new models for rosters that are already bloated and use overpowered rules as a motivator to drive purchases only to nerf them a few months later. the latest edition has bespoke rules for every single unit in the game so that players will feel like unit xyz is indispensable to their army and run out to buy it. it's not a war game any more, it's a collectible game just like mtg.

>>719678473 (OP)
Hey I don't know if you know this but there's a board specifically for tabletop games, you enormous faggot

>>719678473 (OP)
Primaris

>>719678473 (OP)
We're supposed to believe abaddon is a good antagonist after being a failure for 10000 years until he Mary sued cadia. He's not a captivating villain

>>719686673
>40k rules are built upon legacy, and need a proper remake for FUN
Actual legacy rules (7th ed and prior) would be better. 10th edition is a barely improved 9th edition which itself was a barely improved 8th edition and that edition introduced a bunch of retarded herohammer rules to make your epic HQ units act more like heroes
They also changed a lot of rules regarding target selection and cover rules to speed up the game but it didn't end up playing faster at all, it was a failed experiment and they can't let go
By now 10th edition is build around competitive play on a very specific board layout that doesn't allow a lot units to function. Large vehicles are most affected but other things like fortifications are made useless by this terrain as well

>>719678473 (OP)
>What went wrong (8th - 10th edition)
simplification in order to be a newbie-friendly game,

>>719678473 (OP)
Instead of becoming grimdarker, it's getting grimbrighter. Doesn't feel like the galaxy is falling apart anymore, which really just ruins a lot of the appeal.

>>719678473 (OP)
If The Emperor Had A Text-To-Speech Device and its consequence have been a disaster for the Warhammer 40K community.

>>719689384
You're unironically telling me you prefer a doomed human race that will inevitably lose but everyone in it continues to fight under a brutal regime just to spite existence because humanity's hatred for the unfamiliar is such a universal concept, instead of humanity being an underdog that wins against skeleton robots, angry bugs, angry mushrooms, Communist blue cows, and also humans are best friends with space elves and space dwarfs?

>>719689086
It honestly needs a full overhaul with no regard for legacy rules. Just get an axeman in there to tear it up and see what sticks.

>>719689634
>You're unironically telling me you prefer a doomed human race that will inevitably lose but everyone in it continues to fight under a brutal regime just to spite existence because humanity's hatred for the unfamiliar is such a universal concept

>>719689634
yes

>>719683721
He was talking about the settings of both, not the company, retard-kun

>>719683929
lmao this is literally my LGS, i recognise those guys in the back

Why is this /tg/ thread more civil than the ones at /tg/?

>>719679651
Guard player or Secondary, call it.

>>719691332
You get the same thread 2-3 dozen times per hour every day every week every month every year over there, so it's 99% repetitive deconstruction by shitposters who don't even want to talk about 40k anymore but don't know where else to spend their time

Meanwhile every other post on /v/ is from a post-2016 tourist redditor who has been in fewer 40k threads in their life than they have fingers currently up their ass. It's a coinflip between fresh, new-angle shitposting from non-/tg/ bots or genuine posts from retards navigating virgin lands. It's why off-topic threads on /v/ are "better" than their native-board counterparts almost every time.

>>719691332
/tg/ has fanboys that are more invested and feel like criticism about the franchise is a personal attack from an outsider which triggers their defend the tribe reaction.

why was it okay then but not okay now

>>719678473 (OP)
Removal of templates. These were the heart and soul of 40k. Putting a massive circle on top of a pile of orks and saying “Everything beneath here dies on a roll of 2 or higher” was the best feeling ever

>>719692371
i was young back then

>>719692371
Real life became more degenerate than fiction so the evil god of degenerates is suddenly a touchy subjects for people

>>719692371
>>719692839
>>719692912
It's also the surface level interpretation of "excess". For some reason the last decade the designers have gone;
>excess means boobs and penis so we can't have that
It's fucking baffling - such a shallow take on a deep concept.

>>719692839
>>719692912
but nobody loses their minds about khorne despite militant islam and stormfront, or nurgle despite obese neckbeards and india videos, or tzeench despite jews and capitalism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsGRsDe3iRw

>>719678473 (OP)
The 'nids are cool. I like me bugs

>I want that game but in space
>t. whorehammer 40 kilowatt anal driller

>>719678473 (OP)
>8th - 10th edition
/v/ can't answer you that because editions had no impact on video games at all.

>>719682484
Its conservative in that it's a bunch of rich corporate assholes paying artists pennies to sell overserious wank to poor idiots who turn it into a religion.

>>719680897
>If I wanted a medieval fantasy setting I have countless better options than WH, I don't think it should even exist
This is what people unfamiliar with Fantasy wrongly think.

it got mainstream and instead of the "look at the cool overpriced knights in armor" we got "look at the overpriced fascist, good thing they made handsome squidward femstodes"

>>719683501
Tournament rules focus could have worked if they were competent tournament rules designers, but they're in a worst of both worlds situation where they have people in a 3rd edition D&D design mindset writing tournament focused rules and balancing after the fact.

Are there people who hates the primaris line, but coomsooms Horus heresy line?

>>719683552
They were always bad but they used to be fun. Now they're bad and no different than playing Magic The Gathering.

Might as well just fight with scrabble tiles for all the soul the rules have now.

>>719679079
Oh right the setting with such great characters like uhhh malus darkblade (actual name)
You just like another flavor of corporate slop. Grow up.

>>719682484
Corporate woke
It adopts the themes of classic woke new wave media to sell a product.

>>719678473 (OP)
>What went wrong
woke

>>719693691
>Oh right the setting with such great characters like uhhh malus darkblade
To be totally fair, the origins of Warhammer Fantasy are found in a miniatures company trying their best to make a setting out of; Crusading Knights, Tolkein Fantasy, Renaissance Italy, and D&D, cause that's the minis they were making at the time.
Malus Darkblade is a 1:1 rip-off of Elric (Michael Moorcock), and in fact the entire culture of Melnibone was lifted whole-cloth to create the Dark Elves aesthetic. Fantasy is basically a love-letter to all fantasy and historical wargaming from the 40s to the 80s.

Honestly they should have made a digital version of the army battle thing ages ago. I'm not going to spend a bunch of money to buy an army and then go down to a local game shop and fight against smelly people that no-life the game unless I already know I at least enjoy playing it.

>>719678473 (OP)
it's the setting, 40k is up with warcraft as the settings where nothing ever happens, every single time there's a new big bad and a new plot twist but nothing changes, it's boring and now they're bringing the primarchs back which will also make them focus more on character based narratives instead of factions based narratives

>>719692912
When you read about what the Pakistani rape gangs did to those English girls in England, you soon learn how fucking evil real life is. Not only were those girls subjected to the worst kinda of gangraped prolonged over years and years, but the authorities all covered it up and arrested, and charged those who tried to bring the crimes to light.

How the fuck can anything Slaanesh compete with that?

>>719694034
>historical wargaming from the 40s to the 80s.
Is 1940's wargaming any good

>Start towards the end of 4th ed with Necrons
>Pretty fun for the most part, I can damage anything but list building severely hampered and Phase Out a pain in the ass.
>5th comes out, a lot of the previous edition kinks feel pretty worked out in the beginning, Necrons basically unplayable though.
>Switch to WD Blood Angels, tons of fun with Fast Vindicator in <1000 point games, keeps me still interested.
>Blood Angels proper come out, immediately one of the strongest books, DC blob make a quintillion wounds a turn
>At some point Grey Knights start gaying up the place, and before then Space Wolves with their retarded ML spam
>Dark Eldar a pretty cool refresh, brings a bottom 3 army at least to some level of playability.
>Terrible Necron relauch, art style doesn't begin to even somewhat redeem itself until 9th edition.
>6th ed comes and now there's all these stupid ass flyers you need to manage (By this point I switch over to Warmachine/Hordes)
>Shit fucks up until the 8th edition soft relaunch and now we're at two more editions past that of soft iterative changes

How do I have fun playing 40k again? At least it's not as fucked as Warmachine but granted that seems to slowly be getting saved, still fuck Privateer Press

>>719698006
The most fun with the hobby you can have is building and painting /your dudes/
When it comes to the actual gameplay the 40K main game is ok at best but Kill Team is pretty fun. The only downside to Kill Team is that you can't field your cool centerpiece models so it kind of conflicts with the above point of building and painting for fun

>>719678473 (OP)
Would be faster to ask what didn't.

>all these based ongoing WH40k threads just as I finished based pic rel and am about to start Mechanicus
GLORY TO THE EMPEROR

>>719689501
Its more canon than whatever GW shat out in last ten years.

>>719698250
Please no spoilers but did you enjoy it? As far as I know it's GreyKnights but Xcom?

>>719684957
Chuds didn't use to be chuds
They just happened to be white males with nerdy hobbies until the fire people invaded

>>719689634
I know you're being ironing but
"Yes"
Rage against the dying of the light and all that

>>719691332
Every off topic thread ever created on this Native American pipe smoking assembly forum is better for discussion than the actual fucking board created for said discussion
This is an ironclad fucking constant of the universe and should be added to the rules of the internet

>>719696436
You had the real thing instead in the 40s

>>719698305
It is absolutely Grey Kinghts but xcom
You even have an engineer who button heads with the scientist
It's great
No retarded xcom dice rolls to hit,
Guns do full damage to a target out of cover
Half damage to targets in half cover
No damage to targets in full cover unless you have a greater than 45 degree aiming angle on them from the side

Great aesthetics, doesn't go for AAA realism UE slop by a nice stylised slightly cartoony look that works, nails grim dark 40k (thoughbeit I am a book and vidya only secondary)
Better than nu xcom in every way 3xcept mission variety, of which there is only maybe 3-4 regular mission types and a bunch of set piece story missions
Strong recommend

>>719686761
Why

What do you imperial citizens think Mechanicus?
How does it stack up against nu chaosgate? (Which I loved)

>warhammer keeps getting exponentially more popular and now scalpers have flooded in and ruined the availability and pricing of everything
>magic the gathering keeps getting exponentially more popular and now scalpers have flooded in and ruined the availability and pricing of everything

Is nothing safe from normies anymore

>>719689086
What the fuck are you talking about you stupid fucking nigger? 7th Edition was "how many HQ units can you put into a ball and cast invisibility and might of heroes on it: The Edition". 7th edition sucked dick and you didn't play it if you want it.

>>719686912
Bros someone give me the cheat code for getting my friends into 40k, specifically killteam.
We played one game and they had fun but they’re giving me the whole “it seems too complicated” speech. How do I make it fun for them.

>>719678473 (OP)
Necrons got Chuck'd into Tomb Kangs when it should have been a select few only

>>719700427
>Now
Lad scalpers have been ruining things since day 1.

>>719678473 (OP)
What happened to Horus galaxy? i thought it was the last safehaven to fight back against the trannies but its now banned

>>719678473 (OP)
where does /pol/ stand with this?

>>719700709
one page rules until they complain its too simple

>>719692371
I wasn't. Back in the day when they published the first Realms of Chaos(1988) parents and other whiners complained, they had to put 'Mature Only' stickers on them.
It marked the beginning of them toning it down.

>>719701694
What does Ja Rule think of 9/11

>>719700885
@Grok is this real

>>719678473 (OP)
>Idiotic renamings
>Newer lore getting more idiotic and rewrites history (Femstodes, the new Terminus Decree stuff being the peaks of the iceberg)
>Primarchs returning
>The setting not being grimdark anymore
>Primaris Marines and anything related to them from their roster to the lore that goes against everything the Imperium is characterized by
>Cawl being the other reason and which is connected to Primaris Marines
>Xenos sidelined even more
>It's now all Imperium vs Chaos non-stop
>Too much rule bloat

>tfw no soulslike Warhammer Fantasy arpg with each starting class being the most interesting faction unit
Feels bad mang
I'm a Sci fi fag so 40k is more interesting to me but absolutely get into WHF with some rollsloppa

>>719678473 (OP)
Dunno, ask >>>/tg/

>>719703239
How do you make a /v/ thread on /tg/?

>>719703384
>a /v/ thread
Gee, didn't know OP was talking about vidya when he mentioned the last three Tabletop editions.

>>719702898
>Too much rule bloat
I swear to god:

>Be me
>Warhammer 40k battle
>I shoot these guys
>Wait I think I have lethal hits
>Since this character is attatched to this unit I think it triggers his special rule
>Wait let me read his datasheet to be sure
>NO, actually, the mission we're on gives us Stealth
>Does it? We should check
>Wait, these guys have the benefit of cover?
>NO, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE LINE OF SIGHT
>Are these supposed to be ruins? The core rules will tell us if they allow line of sight
>(thousands of pages read and zero fun had)
>Wait, what did Lethal Hits do, again?
>Uhm, actually, if you shoot at these guys you get -1 to wound
>My detatchment rule does this
>So what do I roll to hit again?
>Wait, these weapons have devastating wounds I think...
>Anyway you gotta save 4 wounds
>Who did you allocate them to?
>Weren't you supposed to allocate them??
>JUST FUCKING SAVE THEM
>What's your AP?
>Wait I think some of these wounds are devastating meaning they can't be saved
>That's mortal wounds though
>Let's look it up again
>Fine, that's done. Now I charge forward
>Actually you can't traverse terrains without jumping over first
>You don't have enough movement
>Okay then I declare this stratagem to increase my charge roll
>Do you have enough CP?
>I don't think that's far enough to be engagement range
>And you didn't even have line of sight to charge
>You don't need line of sight to charge!!!
>let's look it up.........
>.....
>.....
>.....

And so on and so forth until the heat death of the universe. I took 5 hours to do a 2 turn game and we were still halfway done and we had to call it off. Jesus christ, the bloat.

>>719703384
OP isn't really a vidya thread this is an unironic tg thread

What do you guys think is gonna happen with the whole grey knights terminus decree thing? Not to mention star child.

geek culture became socially acceptable.

>>719679079
Famously there was so many of them their game had to be killed off

>>719678976
>40k
>man
Manchild detected.

>>719678473 (OP)
>What went wrong
Realizing Horus Heresy had to end sooner or later and they actually needed to start moving forward the 40k shit.

>>719700091
I loved it but I'm an Admech player. Looks like the sequel will fix all of it's problems too.

>>719703818
Playing and liking =/= buying
Fantasy became so bloated that onboarding new players became nigh impossible, because few people have so much of both free time and expendable money. And the fault of that lies solely on GW's feet.

On a side note they should buff the dark angels in HH 2e. Anytime the Lion is in a challenge his opponent should take 1d6+1 unsavable wounds before attacks are made to represent the supremacy of the 1st legion. Also make Plasma Burners Rending (2+), I think that would make things more balanced and fun for both players.

>>719678976
>>719679079
>>719679126
the natural progression of discussion on 4chan

>>719704003
Yeah I just played the first hour
It's pretty neat
Love that the servitor cucks are disposable and are basically roaming cover that do a little damage in a game with no dedicated cover system
Really cool stuff

>>719692371
it's a fan art though

i think darktide is fun and the warhammer 40k universe is pretty interesting

i think those guys that buy those toys are weird though

>>719703595
rules bloat was 9th ed. dummy

10th ed. is a baby game

>>719683664
GWs focus has always skewed heavily in favour of space marines. Maybe it's even worse now

>>719678473 (OP)
>8th to 10th
More like 5th to 10th.

>>719686397
Use New Recruit. It's free

>>719678473 (OP)
the real problem is the fanbase. no matter how hard GW fuck things up or make things worse, people keep buying.
every year they increase prices and every year they hit record profits

>>719683552
3rd ed chaos-fag here and i can confirm

>>719692248
>/tg/ has fanboys
/tg/ has 3 schizos and 5 jannies shitting up what used to be one of the five most popular boards on the site.

how is this thread still up lol

>>719708460
the leaks confirmed /tg/ for some odd reason had 10 janitors the most out of any board

>>719693597
oh yes 100% if anything horus heresy guys spend more than any primaris fan

>>719692248
nah /tg/ is a dead board right now man its just a bunch of trolls shitting on DnD or Warhammer as generals get 3 posts a day

>>719696246
So what’s the difference between nothing ever happens faction slop and narrative slop it’s the same shit as GW is scared to progress to much

>>719709505
GW can sell more plastic crack twice hard and cost more.
>30k Lion and a 40k Lion
>MUST COOMSOOM BOTH
>sold out fast

>>719709505
Nothing its all the same as thats how GWs MO used to be in that "nothing ever happens" what made 8th edition so major was it ACTUALLY progressed

Now some anons will argue over it but fuck off it happened besides you fags won anyway nothing major has happened after 8th. ITs currently struggling between fronts of tyranids, and necrons for the imperium with chaos incursions. Its just taller marines exist who act like old space marines, and 2 primarchs WHO HAVENT MET YET BY THE WAY THEY ARE BROTHERS WHO KINDA NEED TO TALK

I just scream and do the kino face when the good guys beat up the bad guys

Turn off your brain and suspend your disbelief

And pirate and 3d print all their media, never give a cent

>>719709876
3D printing is not a fucking replicator from star trek dude

>>719709824
Yeah the no progression guys basically complained so much that there is "Progression" but it doesnt really do much. Next edition will open up a new stalemate versus orks for instance. GW want to say they do progression but barely fucking do anything.

I also think the issue is how you learn 40k lore now, everyone combs through everything now and instantly on youtube back in the day it took forever for wikis to update or people slowly argue lore on forums but now its instant

>>719709876
the good guys in question

>>719700091
I loved it, but it can be very slow. You will occasionally wait minutes between turns.

>>719709824
>Lion has traverse anywhere powers
>knows most likely Rowboat will be in Macragge doing his excel stuff
>doesn't do anything or even drop there, leave a message if he really needs to go back to his work
wew

>>719709824
I still find it odd previous edition plots still kind of happen? I thought the necron threat in 9th was taken care of but apparently its basically pretty fucking bad right now as Robute is FOCUSED there still even with the tyranid threat mounting while the Lion is dealing with nids and chaos

>>719710536
Pariah Nexus happened before Dark Imperium.

>>719709824
Honestly? Im happy they didnt talk yet the setting has an issue where the same named characters show up in major events. So its a good thing The Lion and Robute havent met yet

>>719710640
oh my god that is pure cope from setting tards, they are brothers who havent spoken for 10,000 years they need to fucking talk. You fucking fanfic head canon niggas hate modern 40k anyway so why do you think your inputs are good?

>>719710782
Even if the guy says they hate nu 40k they will know every new lore addition and change no matter what

>>719700427
You'll never see normies criticize the banking cartel. It's the only hobby (and moral, principal and metaphysical obligation to any sentient, sane, agentic and ensouled creature) that normies will never shit up.

>>719710782
Honestly, nu 40k is ass but them not blowing their load on primarch interactions is a good thing dont understand why people cry over that

>>719700709
What >>719701969 said, but you need to purposely treat them like retards and remove all good things, justifying it with conplexity. Also lending them colors etc for their first minature works well.

>>719678473 (OP)
As a 7Etoddler, for me it's:
>stratagems
My eyes roll into the back of my head when I see some of this crap and how many bullshit random powers people are capable of stacking. If I wanted to play Warcraft III, I would but what I actually want is to play a fantasy/sci-fi tabletop platoon skirmish game.
>shit art
Speaks for itself, they've completely killed whatever atmosphere the setting had in their drive to get mass normie appeal and you can tell everything is done by bottom of the barrel digital Koreans and Russians with strict rules about what they can and can't make.
>crappy new army building options
We've strayed too far from the classic "two squads, a transport and a lieutenant" formula and now when you see people talk about the game, EVERY composition needs to be some meta meme build or packed to the brim with centrepiece models and named characters. You can even tell just by their webstore that this is what they want. It seemed to have started with the Admech with all the bullshit hyper-specific models with dumb names like "Archaeopter Stratoraptor" and pretty much every release since then has followed that formula. Yup, I'm a boring asshole and I'm of the mind that if your basic infantry are a "tax" that you're "forced" to take rather than the core which you build a force around, then something is horribly wrong. We should've gone in the direction of every army having the variety that Space Marines get, instead they just don't and really very little seems to have changed for the better except fancy new models with lots of details.

>>719711954
>I actually want is to play a fantasy/sci-fi tabletop platoon skirmish game
Just play Infinity.

>>719712210
infinity with a good video game would mog 40k needs be a cyberpunk like rpg

>>719712210
Sorry, but the models are shit and my friends are fags so I can't be bothered modifying the rules for anything to fit my 40k models. I'll just paint and play modded Rimworld. and also bitch about tabletop games I don't play on 4chan.

>>719712247
nah nigga fuck infinity and fuck those Spaniards for murdering ariadna

>>719712459
What, you don't like it being reduced to russiawank?